BREAKING NEWS: HUFF TRADED TO HOUSTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have a breaking news story that is sure to throw a wrench into my plans of taking a short break right now. Ken Rosenthal reported earlier, and now ESPN is reporting that the Rays have dealt Huff to the Houston Astros for two minor leaguers, Ben Zobrist and Mitch Talbot.
The move brings a spectacular end to a tenure that has spanned parts of seven seasons with the Rays for Huff. He leaves as the Rays' all-time leader in Home Runs, RBI, Games, At Bats, Runs Scored, Hits, Doubles, and Total Bases, and leads many of those categories by a wide margin. Huff, propelled by a recent hot streak, saw his trade value soar, hitting .283/.348/.461 on the season, driven by a line of .402/.433/.680 over the last month. His contract, which expires after the season, and his previous production, a .283/.343/.477 career line, have long made him a heavily rumored trading piece, and that extends back over the last three deadlines. His expiring contract made trading him a must, and the quick trigger of the new front office meant he had to go.
Acquired for Huff were Astros minor leaguers Ben Zobrist and Mitch Talbot. Also rumored pieces of the deal were $1.6 million in cash being Western Unioned to Houston (if they still even do that). Ty Wigginton is expected to take over Huff's position at third base, which may mean Travis Lee will be back in the starting lineup. It is unclear who will be called up to take Huff's place.
The two prospects acquired, Zobrist and Talbot, were 16th and 26th, respectively, on the Astros' Top 30 prospect list done by Baseball America. Zobrist was hitting .327/.434/.473 for the Astros' Double A Corpus Christi affiliate, whose home ballpark tends to favor pitchers.
Talbot, meanwhile, was 6-4 with a 3.39 ERA in 18 games, 17 starts with the Double A Hooks, with a 96:29 K/BB, although he had a rather high 1.36 WHIP. Both players have already reported to Double A Montgomery, according to MiLB.com.
May I be the first to say 'meh' on this deal. I don't think anyone particularly wins in this trade. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want, or expect, a better return on a Huff trade, but you take what you can get. Never bank on something better coming along, because after July 31st, we weren't getting anything for Huff, not draft picks, nothing. In that regard, getting something is good.
All of that, plus Zobrist and Talbot aren't prospects to yawn at. By no means are they Brandon Wood and Jeremy Sowers, but they are fine ballplayers that will compliment our farm system nicely. Zobrist has average tools, except for power, of which he has none, and will be a high-OBP type guy, nothing wrong with that, while Talbot shows outstanding control to make up for underwhelming stuff.
So in a capsule, I don't think this trade will be a steal, but rather just a good 'ole fashioned 'no one wins, each guy gets what they want'-type trade. Houston gets a lift in Huff for the stretch run, similar to the Carlos Beltran acquisition two years ago, albeit with much less talent and return, and the Rays get two young players. A decent, if unspectacular move, in my opinion.
So here is you place, for now, on the Bay to comment about the trade. I have recapped every angle of this deal as we now know it, and will be updating here throughout the day with additional info as it becomes available. One big question, who will replace Huff on the Roster? That will be known later. Once all full details are known, I will post a transaction report, likely tonight.
But just to recap, Aubrey Huff has been traded to the Houston Astros for two minor leaguers.
Resources
Aubrey Huff Major League Stats
Mitch Talbot Current Stats
Ben Zobrist Current Stats
Mitch Talbot Historical Stats
Ben Zobrist Historical Stats
Update [2006-7-12 13:10:52 by Patrick L. Kennedy]: Apparently we have our answer to the "Who will take Huff's roster spot?" $1,000,000 question. Andrew Friedman was quoted as saying that it will be Ruddy Lugo, back from a DL stint with the Visalia Oaks. To me, this move makes no sense, whatsoever. They are just going to leave Jackson to rot in the bullpen? Who there missed the memo that he isn't good? He was never good at any point this season, and no bullshit about him having a "live arm" can obscure that fact. He had an ERA over 6 in Durham, he has an ERA over 6 here. Keeping him here does no good, none. He does not belong in a major league bullpen. Cut the crap with the yo-yo approach. Make him a starter or relief pitcher, and whichever you choose, stick him in that role for the rest of the season in Durham. It is that simple.
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Good trade
Well I wouldn't put much stock in that...........
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 12, 2006 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Drays on short lish with me
now trading good soild guys around the club
house and bring in new ones who are either in
the minors or just begining their MLB
experance. is like saying hey we are only half
done with the season lets make sure we stay where we are at behind the yanks and redsoxs and
now the bluejays and Baltimore so it looks like we are only ahead of the Kansas City Royals
The Washington Nationals the florida marlins and the Pittsburgh Pirates TO Bad we are in the AL
AND NOT THE NL
by RJ72786 on Jul 12, 2006 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
Wow
First of all, by "lish", I assume you mean "leash".
Secondly, Huff was not a "good, solid guy", he was a disruptive influence whose repeated bitching grew old very quickly. His lack of effort was apparent, and even the team's broadcasters called it shocking when he showed effort in spring training. He was not going to be here beyond this season, and we would not have gotten compensatory draft picks even if he departed.
Also, his production had slipped. He was not the player of 02-04, no matter what his hot streak suggested. Just one month ago, you could not have gotten a bag of chips for him, streaks are flukey. He would not have hit above .400 the rest of the season.
Say what you will about the return we got, but losing Aubrey Huff is not a major blow to this team.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 12, 2006 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
1.6million
Patrick L. Kennedy
by RJ72786 on Jul 12, 2006 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
could Zobrist leapfrog B.J.?
I would hope that they would trade Huff for someone that they felt could help the big league club soon. Maddon wants to end this season at .500. It's a nice goal but just made tougher by trading our 3B and hottest hitter (yes, I realize he wasn't going to stay that hot).
better yet
I thought
by Not That Chuck on Jul 12, 2006 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Briggy
by Jacob Larsen on Jul 12, 2006 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So why is he still there now?
by Not That Chuck on Jul 12, 2006 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Zobrist reaps the whirlwind
Just checking the website of the Corpus Christi Hooks, the team he's leaving, I found that the team was in the midst of a series with the Springfield Cardinals, in Missouri. Apparently a whole batch of Zobrist's family made the five-hour drive from Eureka, IL to Springfield to watch him play. They got to see him hit a HR last night.
I'm guessing they were going to stick around for a doubleheader set for tonight, to make up for a rainout tomorrow night. Instead, apparently they got to bid adieu and see Zobrist off to Montgomery.
Ah, the minor league life...
by Not That Chuck on Jul 12, 2006 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
What?
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 13, 2006 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Patience is a virtue...
by Jacob Larsen on Jul 13, 2006 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
But where is Jake's Take?
by Not That Chuck on Jul 14, 2006 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Just posted
by Jacob Larsen on Jul 14, 2006 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually...
by Not That Chuck on Jul 15, 2006 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
I think we got two big leaguers in the deal, although I don't expect either of them to be great players. From his numbers and and his age, I think Zobrist could be up as soon as September. I see him as a utility player long term, but we need a decent one of those, so he could be very useful. I think he'll take Tomas Perez's role for next year, filling in at any IF role he's needed. I expect him to be solid in this role.
Talbot has a solid fastball and good control, but has always struggled with his secondary pitches, and because of that, was hittable. His numbers this year suggest that he's refined control of those two pitches, and could be a contributer in the pen relatively soon.
All in all, this is a decent deal. But, considering Huffs track record, we gave up some solid production in the second half. The Rays obviously though this was the best deal they could get, and happy that we got something for him. They probably could have gotten a draft pick for him, but he may have just taken arbitration at the end of the year, and that's not a risk I or they were willing to take. So getting two safe prospects, who probably have the ML in their near future is a decent return. Although neither of them will be stars in the league.
Hoping against hope...
I'd really like to start actively rooting for the Rays, but am held back by the things I see the management doing. This trade didn't help.
The Rays never seem to make a trade to help "RIGHT NOW", but somewhere down the road. Every trade they make seems to have one common thread...saving money. Our major leaguers for their prospects.
I'm trying to give the new guys the benefit of the doubt. Previous management was so bad that I was hoping there would be some solid changes, but so far, it looks like the same old D-Rays...once a players salary gets north of $3mill a year, it's time to dump him. If I were Lugo, I'd put the house on the market now.
One could argue that a Lugo trade might not be a bad thing, and if the Rays were to get some decent pitching for him, it could even be a good thing. But history says Lugo will fetch a couple of mid-range prospects. (Zobrist and Talbot were 16th and 26th on the Astros prospect list, as stated in the blog. What I'd like to know is how many players in the Astro system that play the same position are rated ahead of them. I'm guessing we got the third-best SS and the 9th best pitcher for a decent major leaguer.
If I recall the salaries correctly, the only players who made $3mill a year or more were Baez, Huff and Lugo. Two down, one to go.
Carl Crawford's salary goes up quite a bit next season; he'll bust above that $3 million mark. If he is traded for prospects in the next 18 months, I'll know the new boss is the same as the old boss.
Welcome
Now, I understand your frustration, but there is a lot of hope on the horizon. I know not everyone follows prospects, and when they hear that term, they think unproven, but we have a ton of guys who are really good baseball players on the way.
Trading Aubrey Huff is a good thing for two reasons, had they kept him, it would have cost them more money, and they would have gotten nothing in return when he left in FA. He was just on 620 WDAE and reportedly ripping the DRO. He didn't want to be here, and I don't really want him here. He was a cancer in the clubhouse (so I've been told by someone who works for the Rays).
Also, if they trade Julio Lugo, it will be for solid prospects, who are most likely going to be at least solid players at the ML level.
As for Crawford, he's signed to a dirt cheap deal for his production over the next two years. If they trade him, I promise it will not be because of salary. He will be traded for several elite prospects. He's almost untradeable because of his contract.
Clarification
Also, Crawford is almost untradeable, because he's so cheap to us, not because his contract is too expensive. It would be almost impossible to replace his production considering he's so cheap.
Patton
The Rays are not sitting back like the previous regime and giving us retreads. Due to th track records with the fans here with Rays, its hard to swallow when deals like this go down.
So, Joey Gathwright and Huff have about the same marketabilty as far as what they can bring in return?
I still want to be a part of what this regime is doing. They are rolling the dice, doing something different. Huff just did not fit in here long term.
First Base Quandry
However, the July 31 deadline is quickly approaching. I'm no gambling man, so I figure that if a bearable deal like this one is on the table, I would take it before waiting 19 days for the deadline. Who knows? In that 19 days one of the greatest steals since Zambrano for Kazmir could pop up, but most likely nothing would arise and the Rays would be left with a FA who they wouldn't choose to pay next year that gets them nothing. Therefore, I approve of this trade (far more than I approved of the Hall/Hendrickson trade).
That said, I'm concerned about the present roster. We can likely bring up a suitable infielder from AAA at some point next year (If Longoria shows vast improvement, who's to sa that we don't give him a locker in the Rays' clubhouse at the Trop?). But what about the interim? I'm very comfortable with Ty Wigginton at third. And Travis Lee at first is a fantastic defensive move.
But its in the other half of the inning that I get frightened. Ty Wigginton comes up to bat with two outs in the ninth. He belts a base hit into short right. Lee comes up in the same situation and he pops out to the first baseman. I love Travis Lee (he's my favorite all-time player), but the man can't hit. In the last month, when Huff made his resurgence, he batted .402, with Lee batting a sickening .138. Unless Travis Lee stumbles upon some giant vat of talent that he had left in the trunk of his car and forgotten about, we're in trouble.
So what do we do? Do we trade T Lee before the July 31 deadline for an inferior defensive talent and a superior slugger? Do we stick with T Lee for the short run until we bring someone up? Or, and this seems to be the consensus among the Internet baseball pundits that I just cannot agree with, do we teach Jonny Gomes first base? Even if we go with the last route, the Rays aren't going to do it until the off season. It seems to be a Catch 22 that the management will have to address.
Oh well, there go the playoffs this year.
by Beach Bleacher Bum on Jul 12, 2006 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
1B
Gomes isn't an option in the field at all this year. I think he'll be working on 1B during the offseason, but his shoulder prevents him from throwing a ball at all. He needs surgery, and that can't come until the offseason.
By the way, welcome, it's nice to see a bunch of new posters!
TLee
Of course, if BJ Upton arrives, we might want TLee at first, bad bat and all.
by Not That Chuck on Jul 12, 2006 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Pocket8Pin
by TomT on Jul 12, 2006 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
Hoping against hope...
Trading veterans for prospects is a dicey business. Sometimes it works beautifully, but most of the time it's a bust. I understand why a team would want to trade an over-the-hill major leaguer for young potential, but Crawford is the kind of player the D-Rays need to be getting, not getting rid of. I truly hope they don't. I get to the Trop 3-4 times a year and enjoy watching him.
A good argument (to be started by me). If Delmon Young were in another system, would you trade Carl Crawford to get him? I'd argue it's a bad move. At this time, all Young has is potential, while Crawford is a very-good major leaguer. As some famous coach said, "Potential means you ain't done it yet".
I post at baseballthinkfactory.org, and I tease that many of the folks there believe every minor leaguer is better than every major leaguer. I'd guess for every Zambrano-for-Kazmir trade, there are a dozen where major league talent is traded for some 25 yr old that never made it above AA ball (yeah, I know that describes one of the players we got for Huff), and possibly never will.
I like it...
Talbot looks to have improved significantly this year too. Nice to see NDRO continue building some pitching depth.
I'm not sure
FirstInning.com
My thoughts
Looking at those rankings, there is not way Sonny should be that high. He has great control, and has put up decent numbers, but to me, he is in the No. 10-15 range.
Davis should be much higher, at this point, he is probably a Top Five prospect, and if not, certainly just a few spots lower, in the No. 6-8 range, but in no way is he in double-digits.
And Reid Brignac, like Sonny, should be Top Five, if not that, somewhere in No. 6-8.
But you will get to find out where they will, in fact, be, as I will post a midseason Top 25 later tonight.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 13, 2006 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank for the dialogue
Top-25
Indeed
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 17, 2006 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Cool
I also believe this is Draysbay third 50+ comment section if I'm not mistaken. The first was a game thread, the second was after the Baez trade, and if I'm not mistaken this is the third.
Keep commenting, we enjoy the discussion. Patrick will argue with you all day :)
Ha ha
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 17, 2006 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Arguing...
Demon Deacons?
by Not That Chuck on Jul 13, 2006 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wake Forest
1B
by TomT on Jul 12, 2006 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
Makes as much sense as anything
by Not That Chuck on Jul 12, 2006 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
FREEDOM!!!
Link?
Delmon's call-up will be soon....
by Jacob Larsen on Jul 13, 2006 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
That isn't soon..............
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 13, 2006 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok....
by Jacob Larsen on Jul 13, 2006 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Bankston?
Contrariwise
Bankston does show up on the Bulls roster online, with Witt there also.
by Not That Chuck on Jul 13, 2006 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I answered my own question
looks like he was promoted

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