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Three Things I Was Wrong About

Sometimes, I am wrong. Very rarely, and usually the circumstances leave that status debatable, but every once in a blue moon, I make a mistake. Far less than ordinary mortals, I grant you, but I have occasionally made errors in judgement concerning things in all walks of life.

Today, I would like to highlight three of those as they pertain to the game of baseball, and specifically, the Rays. I get so caught up in analyzing the successes and failures of Major League GMs and front offices that I fail to recognize my own shortcomings in this regard after a period of time has past. I recently reflected on this over the last week, and came to a conclusion of three things that I was wrong about, in varying degrees. One of these three things happened very recently, the other two happened several months ago. One of them has to do with a DRO business decision, while the other two are baseball operations moves.

And thus in an effort to prove to those of you out there with illusions about my perfection that I am indeed not always correct, and that the people I criticize sometimes are, I present to you my three things that I admit to being wrong about. I am sure that there are other relatively minor (or perhaps even significant) things that I have said which are false, but these are the three things which stick out.

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#1. The Trade of Joey Gathright to the Royals was a Mistake

This is the only particular error which I regret in full. There is absolutely no retaining factor which can save this remark from complete and utter failure, and I take responsibility for that.

Back on June 22nd of last year, the Rays traded demoted outfielder Joey Gathright to Kansas City after a disappointing start to the season for former Royals first round pick J.P. Howell. I cited Howell's lack of velocity, underwhelming secondary pitches, his injury, and potential that I saw in Gathright to chastise the move. In this piece I made one remark that truly sums up the depth of my mistake.

But everyone was blinded by his poor play this year, including the Rays front office, and because of that we sold low, extremely low, and gave away a player for less than his value. When you don't have a good offer, you don't take one. You don't take the "best offer", you wait and let your player come back to becoming what he has shown he can be in the past. I would love to have J.P Howell if we traded a player of lesser capability for him or plucked him off waivers, but trading Gathright for him was too much, and it is a move that I think the DRO and Rays fans will come to regret.

In all actuality, this was a statement that I would come to regret. Even though Howell's 5.10 ERA in eight starts don't exactly disprove my remark, I've seen just about enough other evidence to convince myself that my opinion on this matter was false. Howell appeared to regain some of his velocity late in the season as he recovered from injury, and he posted excellent peripheral stats the whole way in the major leagues to convince doubters (that would be, um, me) that he could pitch. Only the truly stubborn would cling on to the falsehoods that I cited in that post any further.

Gathright wasn't terrible with Kansas City, he hit .262/.332/.328, and you all know that having someone as speedy as Gathright on base can be dangerous for the opposing team. However Gathright still isn't getting on base enough to be a productive everyday player, he was just 10 of 16 on stolen base attempts, and for all his speed, he is still a liability defensively. For those reasons, he will likely amount to nothing more than a backup outfielder. The Rays, on the other hand, have a serviceable left-handed starter with good peripherals, rebounding fastball velocity, and decent secondary offerings. I know which one I would rather have.

#2. The Raise in Ticket Prices was a Disgrace

That was, more or less, the feeling I conveyed in this October 9th rant that I posted on this here web site. To be fair, this really isn't a complete falsehood that I am admitting to. I still do believe that certain parts of the raise in ticket prices were not appropriate, and I dislike some of the funny math the team used to try and soften the blow. And I still dislike the way in which it was reported, in which the root details of the move were masked in favor of PR-friendly writing.

However, with all of that said, the tone in which I went about voicing my opinion on the changes was far too extreme, in retrospect. The upper deck pricing still makes not a lick of sense, however for a relatively minor aspect of the ticket pricing that really doesn't affect me too much ($8 tickets are still $8 tickets, sans the prime games which I try to avoid anyways) I came off as too extreme in my distaste for the move. For that, I would like to admit error.

#3. The Trade of Brendan Harris to the Rays was a Bad Move

On this particular point, I would like to clarify my position, which was admittedly incorrect. On January 2nd, the Rays traded a Player to Be Named Later or Cash to the Cincinnati Reds for IF Brendan Harris, as documented here. Initially I expressed disgust, calling it, among other things, a "waste of time", "an attempt to mask free agency failure", and "Luis Ordaz but without the fielding". On all counts, I express regret at my position.

To be fair, this move in itself is not bad. However the overriding displeasure with the lack of activity towards signing affordable free agents still stands. There were relief pitchers out on the free agent market worth going after, who were not being vastly overpaid. Those pitchers were David Riske and Octavio Dotel, and both went to Kansas City for very reasonable prices. I very much wish to announce my displeasure with the lack of movement on those fronts, however to take it out on a completely unrelated move in the signing of Harris was wrong, and I regret the error.

Even if he does turn out to be nothing, the investment put in to trade for him was essentially nothing at all, so there really isn't much to lose, and Harris may very well turn into a decent option. While his 120 major league at bats show absolutely no virtues to be optimistic about, his .295/.363/.469 minor league batting line leaves a lot of potential for improvement at the major league level, and is far from the "waste of time" that I proclaimed. Even if his defense is sub par, he still provides us a viable backup infield option, an improvement on Tomas Perez, and most of all, he didn't cost anything. Taking that all into account, my sentiments about him were mistaken, and I regret my error in judgement that those sentiments reflected.

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Wow....
Great post, Patrick.

It takes alot of "mah-bulls" (Think "Major League II" for my reference) for anyone to admit that they're wrong.

by Jacob Larsen on Jan 14, 2007 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Wow....
Well, I do aim to point out my shortcomings on occasion, as rare as they may be :D

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jan 14, 2007 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Three Things I Was Wrong About
Yeah, I think alot of people took the same initial opinion as you on the Harris deal - but as you said even if he turns out to be just AAA fodder it still will be a decent move.  It could be a very good move (in a relative sense) if he can play SS.

I don't think many (maybe anyone) knew how bad we won the Gathright deal at the time.  JP may not make it, but I would much rather have a fringe young starter than a fringe young OF.

by RaysBB on Jan 14, 2007 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Three Things I Was Wrong About
I am all for the Harris deal unless the PTBNL is the rights to Josh Hamilton after he is taken off the 25 Man Roster in Cinci.  I'd really like to see him back in our minor league system.  If he cuts in the the majors up there, I'm happy too.  

I quote Fletch 2 - "It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, and I am NOT a big man!"    

by stpetelawyer on Jan 14, 2007 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

Hamiltion
I don't get all the yearning for Josh Hamilton to remain a member of this organization, nor do I get the criticism of the front office's having left him unprotected for the Rule 5 draft. He has really not been a part of our plans for the last five years, and even if he does recover completely from his drug problem, he still has a long way to go through the minor league system and he has to perform, something he didn't do in Fishkill. I honestly don't care whether we keep him or not. If he stays, fine, he is just another member of our system. If he doesn't? No big loss. We have too many alternatives to worry about Hamiltion, and quite frankly, washing our hands of him and his baggage may be a good thing.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jan 14, 2007 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Hamiltion
I believe it's the myth around Hamilton's potential which may or may not still exist. Obviously if he goes and becomes a good Major Leaguer it looks bad on us for worrying about a guy like Elliot Johnson rather than Ham, but at this point we have OFers like Rug and IsoPedroza who are just light years ahead of Hamilton.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 14, 2007 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

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It does take a big man to admit he was wrong.  I was excited, but confused about the Gathright trade when it happened.  Last offseason, DRO reportedly turned down a trade of Gathright to the Marlins for Scott Olsen.  I only wish they had accpeted that offer instead of Howell.  But we have to live with it now, and I'm glad Howell is starting to find his velocity again.  If he can get back up to 87-89 mph with his fastball like he was in college, he should be a very valuable #4-5 guy in the rotation.
When it comes to the Harris acquistion, I thought you were wrong as well, but I understand your frustration.  I don't think the Rays expect him to win the Rookie of the Year or anything, but if he can serve as a decent reserve infielder, this looks like it could be a valuable pickup.

by bulls22 on Jan 14, 2007 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

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That Olsen rumor was 100% false, the Rays were never offered that.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 14, 2007 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Three Things I Was Wrong About
Then, I apologize and admit that I was wrong for saying that.

by bulls22 on Jan 14, 2007 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Three Things I Was Wrong About
No big deal man...a lot of people think that's true, just wanted to clear it up.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 14, 2007 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Three Things I Was Wrong About
Yeah, I still get emails asking about the Olsen-Gathright rumor. It gets annoying saying that it never happened.

by Jacob Larsen on Jan 14, 2007 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

While we're admitting misdoings
Huff, at one time, was a great Devil Ray and I even cheered for him. The "Na Na Na Na" Thing became a habit and over-used for players that didn't truly deserve it, like Hollins and Huff.

Hall, on the other hand, I won't ever apologize to.

by Jacob Larsen on Jan 14, 2007 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

Re: While we're admitting misdoings
I'm not apologizing for making fun of Theo Epstein or Jim Hendry...or Colleti.....or Littlefield.....unt-uh.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 14, 2007 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Well
Epstein gets it because he's the GM to our most hated rival.

Hendry is like a fat kid in a candy store(Note: this is not a shot at his heart condition)

Colletti is...well, Ned. 'Nuff said.

Dave Littlefield is probably spending his last year as a GM, luckily for Pirates fans.

by Jacob Larsen on Jan 14, 2007 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Huff
I don't really mind taking shots at Hall and Huff. I genuinely have respect for ex-players and try to echo this in remarks, unless they make unprovoked and false comments about the Rays, their fans, or just the area in general. Hall certianly did so, on multiple occasions, while Huff did the same as he left, and was a surly ass to the media, fans, and players while he was here anyways. I feel no poor sentiments about taking shots at him, he was a productive player and you have to acknowledge that, but he was a jerk.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jan 14, 2007 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Huff
I admit he was more than adequate offensively, however he was a "Jack-of(f)-all-trades-master-of-none" defensively.

by Jacob Larsen on Jan 14, 2007 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt
I think that he would have been better served as a LF here during his tenure, were it not for the presence of Carl Crawford. If not that, then certainly first base would have neutralized his shortcomings a little.

To his credit, he seemed to improve at third base last year before he was traded.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jan 14, 2007 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: No doubt
Huff proved that everytime he got an opportunity to settle into a position, his bat started to produce better.  It didn't matter what position it was either.  I am not going to fault the guy for saying some of the things he said about the organization.  He wanted to win and he said frequently that they needed better pitching for that to happen.  All he did was state the truth and everyone wants to bash him.  We all know it was true and I, for one, will miss him.  When it comes to the second half of a season, there aren't many better hitters in the league than Huff.  While it can be painful watching him hit in the first half, he will pay off for whatever team he ever plays for in the second half.  By the way, the playoffs are after the second half, and he might just be a very integral part of a playoff team one day.  However, I really don't think, or hope, it will be with the O's.

by bulls22 on Jan 15, 2007 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Huff
There is a difference between legitimately criticizing the team's management and continually and illogicaly blasting the organization, players, and fans, which Huff did on numerous occasions, including the time he said "I'm glad to be on a major league team" with regards to his trade to Houston. He was just an ass to the media and fans, and was generally difficult to deal with. His presence was not wanted in the locker room, and he acted obtuse to nearly every person he dealt with. He was an ass, plain and simple, and for his attitude alone, good riddance.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jan 15, 2007 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

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