Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
Our friends at Bucco Blog have reported the Rays and the Pirates are discussing a deal that would send OF/1B/DH/resident lunatic Elijah Dukes to the Steel City for one of two pitchers: either closer Mike Gonzalez or starter Tom Gorzelanny.
I'm not sure if Dukes value could be enough to get Gonzo (who the Braves and Redstripes have both been after), considering that Laroche - Gonzo didn't go down, though in fairness the Braves wanted Jose Castillo and Paul Maholm as well....
Gorzelanny had some elbow stiffness but recently has said it was nothing. He projects to be more of a 3 starter, though a Dukes for Tommy Gorz deal seems more believable to me than Dukes for M-Gonzo (unless the Rays were to throw another piece in, perhaps one of the infielders?)
Both are southpaws, Gorzelanny,24, posted a 3.79 ERA in 61 innings last season, though his record was a putrid 2-5, and his 6 K/9 : 5 BB/9 rates have to increase on the K level, or decrease on the BB level rapidly or at least reach the 9 K/9 3 BB/9 rates throughout his minor league career.
Gonzalez had a great year, finishing with a 2.17 ERA and 24 saves, along with a nearly 2:1 K:BB ratio, still a little high but when he's striking out 10 per 9 he obviously has great stuff. Getting Gonzo would really turn around the Rays off-season, no offense to Seth McClung whom I still think is going to have a great season, but Gonzalez is a hot commodity in the league right now, and for the Rays to put some of that depth in the system to use would show the casual fan (who at times I hate)that perhaps the team is trying...though if the deal happens I fully expect the fact that he only had 24 saves last year to be an indictment on Gonzo and not his poor team itself.
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Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
Since the season ended and I started the off-season mode I have been pushing for a Baldelli=>Lidge trade. I was not a fan of paying Lee the money I knew he would get.
Does it look like the Rays will move Dukes instead of Baldelli or will Baldelli still be moved durring the season at some point.
by Shamus on
Jan 9, 2007 5:28 PM EST
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Personally I feel Gonzo should be of higher value than Dukes, if Friedman can make this work....wow....and Lidge for Baldelli seems like a better deal for the Astros in my eyes, though I couldn't assure you that Lidge wouldn't do well in a Rays uni, and obviously Rocco has some of his own question marks.
by R.J. Anderson on
Jan 9, 2007 5:32 PM EST
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Trading Dukes will have no effect on Baldelli. The Rays have been asking for a "proven" young pitcher, who is pre-arbitration. Dukes isn't a CF and never has been. If Rocco is traded, Dukes will not be the person replacing him, so trading Dukes won't affect the asking price for Rocco at all. Either CC or more likely Bossman will take over CF if Rocco is traded.
by Tyler on
Jan 9, 2007 8:23 PM EST
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I don't think the Rays would trade Dukes and Rocco...
by R.J. Anderson on
Jan 9, 2007 8:27 PM EST
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by Not That Chuck on
Jan 9, 2007 10:45 PM EST
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by R.J. Anderson on
Jan 9, 2007 10:48 PM EST
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As for my thoughts on the "Who will replace Rocco?" question, I could see Jennings being MLB-ready within the next 3-4 years when we'd be entering the "option years" of Rocco's contract.
by Jacob Larsen on
Jan 10, 2007 10:49 AM EST
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But...could the two teams use this as a start to something else...throw in some more players to make it work...probably. The Pirates have young pitching, the Rays have young hitting...something should work. Teams just don't like to trade young talent.
Of course, the Pirates gave away Oliver Perez for nothing, so they could certainly be dumb enough to do this trade too.
by TallMatt on
Jan 9, 2007 7:51 PM EST
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by R.J. Anderson on
Jan 9, 2007 7:59 PM EST
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by Jacob Larsen on
Jan 10, 2007 10:49 AM EST
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by R.J. Anderson on
Jan 10, 2007 2:27 PM EST
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Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
Deal from strength for weakness correct?
POE
by bpoe13 on
Jan 10, 2007 3:06 PM EST
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by R.J. Anderson on
Jan 10, 2007 3:35 PM EST
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by Jacob Larsen on
Jan 10, 2007 3:44 PM EST
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It has been my impression of this club that starting pitching, and overall pitching depth is a more important need than a closer per say.
Looking at stats, McClung did fine (and will improve if he throws strikes) at the back end of the bully, why not Dukes for some starting pitching and keep Rocco... although I'd love to see Rocco play in Oakland for Joe Kennedy or some other pitcher Ü
by jeffro on
Jan 11, 2007 10:16 PM EST
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I agree, why mess with the McClung at closer thing.
Rays need to give McClung a vote of confidence somewhere. They put him at closer, let him stick there and give him Orvella/Lugo/Salas as set-up men.
by Jacob Larsen on
Jan 11, 2007 10:32 PM EST
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The only issue with Seth are his walk rates, and his fastball heavy pitch arsenal, he fails to use his curve which mystifies most of us.
Also can we please have Chad Gaudin back?
by R.J. Anderson on
Jan 11, 2007 10:36 PM EST
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by Jacob Larsen on
Jan 11, 2007 10:38 PM EST
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Sorry about the Kennedy reference, that was completely in jest.
by jeffro on
Jan 12, 2007 11:37 AM EST
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I meant CG seemed to face a lot of batters one week, and then eat candy in the bullpen for a month. Macha frustrated the heck out of me with his use of the bullpen, but I don't really know all the reasons why he seemed to use guys a lot in bursts.
by jeffro on
Jan 12, 2007 11:40 AM EST
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