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Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?

Our friends at Bucco Blog have reported the Rays and the Pirates are discussing a deal that would send OF/1B/DH/resident lunatic Elijah Dukes to the Steel City for one of two pitchers: either closer Mike Gonzalez or starter Tom Gorzelanny.

I'm not sure if Dukes value could be enough to get Gonzo (who the Braves and Redstripes have both been after), considering that Laroche - Gonzo didn't go down, though in fairness the Braves wanted Jose Castillo and Paul Maholm as well....

Gorzelanny had some elbow stiffness but recently has said it was nothing. He projects to be more of a 3 starter, though a Dukes for Tommy Gorz deal seems more believable to me than Dukes for M-Gonzo  (unless the Rays were to throw another piece in, perhaps one of the infielders?)

Both are southpaws, Gorzelanny,24, posted a 3.79 ERA in 61 innings last season, though his record was a putrid 2-5, and his 6 K/9 : 5 BB/9 rates have to increase on the K level, or decrease on the BB level rapidly or at least reach the 9 K/9 3 BB/9 rates throughout his minor league career.

Gonzalez had a great year, finishing with a 2.17 ERA and 24 saves, along with a nearly 2:1 K:BB ratio, still a little high but when he's striking out 10 per 9 he obviously has great stuff. Getting Gonzo would really turn around the Rays off-season, no offense to Seth McClung whom I still think is going to have a great season, but Gonzalez is a hot commodity in the league right now, and for the Rays to put some of that depth in the system to use would show the casual fan (who at times I hate)that perhaps the team is trying...though if the deal happens I fully expect the fact that he only had 24 saves last year to be an indictment on Gonzo and not his poor team itself.

Stay on DRB for any updates that may come.

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Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
I think either would be fair value, though Gonzalez would be much better.

Since the season ended and I started the off-season mode I have been pushing for a Baldelli=>Lidge trade. I was not a fan of paying Lee the money I knew he would get.

Does it look like the Rays will move Dukes instead of Baldelli or will Baldelli still be moved durring the season at some point.

by Shamus on Jan 9, 2007 5:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
I can assure you if the Rays get Gonzo-Dukes Rocco won't be moved unless it's for an ace like pitcher.

Personally I feel Gonzo should be of higher value than Dukes, if Friedman can make this work....wow....and Lidge for Baldelli seems like a better deal for the Astros in my eyes, though I couldn't assure you that Lidge wouldn't do well in a Rays uni, and obviously Rocco has some of his own question marks.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 9, 2007 5:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
I can assure you if the Rays get Gonzo-Dukes Rocco won't be moved unless it's for an ace like pitcher.

Trading Dukes will have no effect on Baldelli.  The Rays have been asking for a "proven" young pitcher, who is pre-arbitration.  Dukes isn't a CF and never has been.  If Rocco is traded, Dukes will not be the person replacing him, so trading Dukes won't affect the asking price for Rocco at all.  Either CC or more likely Bossman will take over CF if Rocco is traded.  

by Tyler on Jan 9, 2007 8:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I think a Dukes trades raises the asking price for Rocco honestly. The idea would be that trading Rocco not only opens up a spot for B.J. in center, or in left where Dukes would also get some starts.

I don't think the Rays would trade Dukes and Rocco...

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 9, 2007 8:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
They've tried CC in center before, they don't need to try again.

by Not That Chuck on Jan 9, 2007 10:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
Which is why Rocco isn't going anywhere, I just can't see us handing the reigns to B.J.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 9, 2007 10:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Back home again, Patrick and you have done an awesome job while I've been gone.

As for my thoughts on the "Who will replace Rocco?" question, I could see Jennings being MLB-ready within the next 3-4 years when we'd be entering the "option years" of Rocco's contract.

by Jacob Larsen on Jan 10, 2007 10:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Wow - as a fan of the Rays and Pirates, I've been saying for over a year that the two are perfect trade partners...but this seems to be pretty one-sided in the Rays favor.  Dukes has lots of potential, but I can't imagine there's much market for him across the league - and certainly not many teams that would give a starting pitcher or a top closer for him.  Gonzo is now proven, and Tom Gornzwhatever is at least a real starting pitcher, and Dukes is only a talent with an attitude problem.

But...could the two teams use this as a start to something else...throw in some more players to make it work...probably.  The Pirates have young pitching, the Rays have young hitting...something should work.  Teams just don't like to trade young talent.

Of course, the Pirates gave away Oliver Perez for nothing, so they could certainly be dumb enough to do this trade too.

by TallMatt on Jan 9, 2007 7:51 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
I won't even mention Wilson for Chacon....(please Littlefield....say he had your family hostage....)

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 9, 2007 7:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
Best news i have heard in a long time.  I don't care if we get either of those guys or Neil Walker or for that matter any pirate.  I am ready to send Dukes packaging.  Don't get me wrong...i would wish him the best of luck but if we can get anything i say go for it.  We have plenty of athletes with no clear cut position and at some point he is bound to blow up again.  If he turns out to be a stud then oh well, but my money would be him being a mental case his whole career.  

Deal from strength for weakness correct?

POE

by bpoe13 on Jan 10, 2007 3:06 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
Hey all! My first post here at d rays bay. I'm an A's fan so some of my postings my seem uneductaed about your fine team.

It has been my impression of this club that starting pitching, and overall pitching depth is a more important need than a closer per say.

Looking at stats, McClung did fine (and will improve if he throws strikes) at the back end of the bully, why not Dukes for some starting pitching and keep Rocco... although I'd love to see Rocco play in Oakland for Joe Kennedy or some other pitcher Ü

by jeffro on Jan 11, 2007 10:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
Great points, til you mentioned JFK.

I agree, why mess with the McClung at closer thing.

Rays need to give McClung a vote of confidence somewhere. They put him at closer, let him stick there and give him Orvella/Lugo/Salas as set-up men.

by Jacob Larsen on Jan 11, 2007 10:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
Welcome to D-Rays Bay, feel free to stick around and comment.

The only issue with Seth are his walk rates, and his fastball heavy pitch arsenal, he fails to use his curve which mystifies most of us.

Also can we please have Chad Gaudin back?

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 11, 2007 10:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
I like Chad right where he is! He had similar issues to McClung as the season progressed. Throwing a lot of balls and get too many abse runners. Although it could be debated why that was, you know like pitching a bozillion innings on week and then sitting out a month. I won't miss Macha for that.

Sorry about the Kennedy reference, that was completely in jest.

by jeffro on Jan 12, 2007 11:37 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Dukes : Destination Pittsburgh?
Typoes are my bane... sorry.

I meant CG seemed to face a lot of batters one week, and then eat candy in the bullpen for a month. Macha frustrated the heck out of me with his use of the bullpen, but I don't really know all the reasons why he seemed to use guys a lot in bursts.

by jeffro on Jan 12, 2007 11:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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