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Community Off-Season Wishlists

We've done a chat and community prospect lists (and in March community projections) so why not do some off-season wishlists as well? Ideally everyone would list 5-10 players that the team can realistically acquire (meaning nearly anyone with our farm, but honestly I don't see us trading for Johan or Miguel Cabrera); with that being said here's my wishlist (no order):

Mike Timlin - His sinker would be great assuming our infield defense is met with a range roaming shortstop. Majors

Troy Percival - Maddon effect, had a great comeback season with the Cardinals. Majors

Masahide Kobayashi - The other Japanese reliever, I don't see any of my relievers listed as closer material, but depth never hurts, and when you consider the imports can be stored in Durham if need be, I think the risks are worth taking. Japan

Kazuo Fukumori - Same as above, there's no harm in trying to find a gem in Japan. Japan

Ronny Cedeno - Would come extremely cheap since he's out of options and the Chicago media loves Ryan Theriot. In 2006 his RZR was tied with Jack Wilson, and he makes 6 million less than Jack. Bat is lacking, but shows good minor league success. Minors and Majors

Cesar Izturis - Everyone knows of my obsession with Cesar after John McDonald re-signed, and he's still the top shortstop on my free agent list. Majors

After everyone has posted their's I'll do some crunching and post the combined wishlist in order of demand.

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Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
We have Longoria at Hot Corner long term, and our big bopper comeback player of year at the other corner, the experiments start with the middle infield. Thats where wish list starts. I'd say get a defensive player who is solid up the middle who can help out the young pitchers.

No way we should trade Delmon or Carl ever I hope!

If Kaz won't sign, we still have him have under our control few more years.

Bring on young arms in 08-09 in Davis and McGee then Kaz might be excited about what Rays future holds.  Trade Rocco.

by David Bloom on Nov 10, 2007 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
We need to upgrade at SS. and there are 3 options I like.
I like Cedeno as well, and see him as a Brendan Harris type acquisition, guy out of options who has put up good minor league numbers but doesn't have a spot in the majors.

Another SS trade option is Brent Lillibridge, if the FO thinks he's ready.  He's got better speed and versatility than Cedeno, but would be more expensive in terms of players in the trade.

Of course, if they don't get either of those guys, Cezar Izturis would be nice.

We also need a closer type, and there are 2 options I think could be viable.
We could trade for Heath Bell if the Padres think he's got more value in a trade than in their 'pen.  

We could also possibly sign Eric Gagne on a 1 year deal to further rebuild his value.  Boras said he will be a closer, so that helps us out because we can offer him that job.

We also need more depth in the pen, and there are 4 options I could see.

Mike Gonzalez, could close, but is injured too often to count on, swap Rocco for him?

Kobayashi and Fukumori.  Japanese pitchers seem to do well, at least initially.  I wouldn't want to get either on a 3 year deal, though.

Jonathan Sanchez could come relatively cheap as the Giants need young position players, maybe Guzman or Gomes?

And then there is backup catcher, where I like Damian Miller.

by raysrule07 on Nov 10, 2007 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

Gagne is intriguing
If we do something with Pena I could see our relationship improving enough with Gagne where we wouldn't have to pay like Croesus to get him.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 10, 2007 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Cubs
Apparently they're about to do Jones for Omar Infante, giving them yet another infielder type.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 10, 2007 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
While I have no clue to how well Fukumori & the hot dog eating champ are as pitchers, isn't Shiji Mori healthy and still available? It's the inexpensive way to solidify the pen going Far East.

As for SS, we've seen the best of Harris. I like the kid, his ceiling just isn't too high. Wilson has a higher upside than Harris IMO, they're jsut not championship caliber guys as of now.

The SS I feel that are available that would benefit the 'Rays more than anyone else would be Omar Vizquel who's a wizard with the glove and shores up the glaring whole between second & third. Omar comes at cost even the Rays can't shake a stick at and he's good for at least two more seasons. I believe Omar's still available?

The other SS who can be had but costs a wee bit more however, is totally affordable is Miguel Tejada. He's signed thru 2009 at $13M per. His salary is most likely tapped around that cost if the Rays woould want to keep him around passed 2009. There is no possible way the Yanks can offer what Tampa Bay can and he wouldn't be moved to 3B as he would be in New York.

This is the type of signing that would ignite fans into knowing Stu & Co. are serious about winning.

This team needs high profile players, a Vizquel or Tejada would be a step in the right direction.

by Mick 08' on Nov 10, 2007 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
  1. One of the following at shortstop: Nioka (Japan), Ronnie Cedeno, Lillibridge, Hu, Abreu or Alberto Gonzalez
  2. Gagne or Wood
  3. Riske
  4. Damian Miller
  5. Barry Bonds

by bobr on Nov 10, 2007 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
  1. Frankie Cordero
  2. Defensive SS - Nioka, Gonzalez, Eckstein
  3. Posada
  4. Livan Hernandez
  5. Percival
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by tampabaysportsfanatic on Nov 10, 2007 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
I want to give Harris a couple more months to see if his defense improves at SS.  You know the kid realizes this is his window and possibly last shot to be a full time regular so i bet he's putting in the work this winter to get better.  

Players i want that wouldnt demand starters in return or break the bank

Rocco for:

Jeff Clement
Pat Neshek
Tankersley
Radhames Liz

Sign:

Kerry Wood
Everyday Eddie

by trek81 on Nov 10, 2007 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
I believe they can upgrade without losing too much through trades.  So here is what I think.
  1. D. Marte or Grabow from the Pirates, LHP should not cost too much (Guzman or Hammel)
  2. Troy Percival
  3. Mike Lamb
  4. Trever Miller or Doug Brocail
  5. Damian Miller
Wait on the SS until midseason if necessary.  I don't think they need all 5 of those moves but 3 will help.

by chrisy on Nov 10, 2007 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
C - Sign Posada to a 4 year deal.

1B - Lock up Pena long term.

2B - Transition Iwamura to 2B.

SS - Sign David Eckstein to a 2 year deal.

3B - Pray Longoria is ready for the big time.

DH - Sign Barry Bonds to a 1 year deal.

SP - Sign Bartolo Colon to a 1 year deal.
OR
SP - Sign Jeff Weaver to a 1 year deal.

RP - Sign Scott Linebrink to a 3-4 year deal. Closer material?

Trade Rocco and Gomes for relief pitchers, Neshek?

by floridaroar on Nov 10, 2007 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
I wonder if we sign Bonds we could use Kanye West's Barry Bonds for promotional use: Oops another hit Barry Bonds.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 11, 2007 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
Whenever i listen to that song I imagine Bonds walking up to the play at the Trop wearing the new rays uni.

by Flabull on Nov 12, 2007 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
They may be able to sign Weaver to a minor league deal.  I do not think he is better than what we already have.

by TomT on Nov 10, 2007 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
I agree, he's a 4th starter at best. But I think he could be had cheaply and he has the potential to eat innings.

by floridaroar on Nov 10, 2007 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
But given his recent history, why would you prefer Weaver in the rotation to Hammel, Jackson, Sonnanstine, Niemann or Talbot in 2008? Is there any reason to think that he will be better than any of them or that he has a brighter future than any of them?

I can understand wanting an established pitcher to replace one of them. Suppose the Rays could acquire Ian Snell or Javier Vazquez or Jon Garland, I think there is reason to do so if the price is right. And then it is reasonable to replace one of their current starters perhaps by including him in a trade. Or if it were possible to acquire Glavine (it isn't), even if the consensus is that he would be mediocre at best, one could argue that he might be a useful presence worth sacrificing Hammel for example. But I do not see what Weaver offers now besides a name. Even as a purported innings eater, he managed just 163 and 146.2 the last 2 years. Jackson, Hammel and Sonnanstine all pitched more innings than he did last year.

by bobr on Nov 10, 2007 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
Weaver is like Mike Maroth or Shawn Chacon, they'll eat innings, but if they're doing so with an ERA around 5 what's the point?

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 10, 2007 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
Good points, both of you.

Full disclosure here: I'm not only a Rays fan, I'm a Tigers fan. There was a time watching Weaver would induce such excitement for the future. I still hold a bit of hope he sees some of that unrealized potential in the form of a breakout/comeback season.  I'd love to see it happen with the Rays at a bargain basement price.

by floridaroar on Nov 11, 2007 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
At SS, you need + range.  That leaves out Harris and Wilson.  Eckstein's range was way down in 07.  Yes, Vizquel has signed for $5+ (one year) but you could still make the call.  The Giants were considering looking elsewhere and it shouldn't take much to get him.  Amazing that he was #1 in zone rating (by a lot) at his age. Just don't expect him to touch .650 OPS.

My top priorities would be to sign Kaz and Pena through 2012 and or longer if the price was right.

Stay away from Posada and all other "A" FAs.  

Some interesting "B" RPs but they would need to be vetted.  No matter who they bring in, Andrew and Co. should know that their 0607 efforts here were directly responsible for the teams 07 failure.

C is still a hole to fill but I make it a distant 3rd in priorities.  Unlike most everyone else, I like Dionner behind the plate.  He is at least solid average as a receiver, a thrower, and a defender at an important defensive position.  I don't expect that he will ever hit but he is still young enough to possibly improve a level.  I'd be happy to upgrade here but there are more pressing issues.

I'd also seriously consider moving Delmon for a pitcher like Lincecum.  That kid has unbelievable stuff.  Better than Papelbon's.

by ttnorm on Nov 10, 2007 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
Isn't there some rule that if a team with one of the top 10 or 15 picks can sign an A free agent and not lose their pick? (That is not a suggestion that the Rays do it; I agree with you on that ttnorm. It is just a question.)

I also think that Navarro may demonstrate he is a solid receiver. I am more optimistic about his hitting. Prior to coming to the Rays, at a very young age, he held his own in the majors, and displayed quite good plate discipline. I don't think he is an all-star, but I think he has a chance to contribute in a good offensive lineup.

by bobr on Nov 10, 2007 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Top 15 teams can sign A types without
Which of course means that the Rays would lose their 2nd round pick.

by ttnorm on Nov 11, 2007 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
Barry Bonds.

and maybe Mariano Rivera while we're at it!

by das411 on Nov 11, 2007 2:35 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
What would it take to acquire Jack Wilson in a trade? I think he's a better option than any of the Free Agents available and the Pirates were shopping him last year.

The Pirates could use a CF. We could send Rocco and Josh Wilson their way. Think that'd get it done?

by floridaroar on Nov 11, 2007 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
To me, Jack Wilson is more like what we have. I Pirates don't want him, why would we. If we could land Cabrera from Anaheim, now were talkin.

by David Bloom on Nov 11, 2007 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
How about Rafael Furcal? He only has 1 yr left on his contract so if Brignac plays well next year at Triple A we can let Furcal walk (and get a draft pick) and if not we cn resign him. He provides solid defense, good OBP, and speed.  I think the Dodgers have a young shortstop in the minors who is ready to take over so Furcal may be expendable.

by TomT on Nov 11, 2007 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

Hu should be ready
But I'm not sure if Colleti will turn the reigns over to a younger player. That being said I'd love Furcal here.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 11, 2007 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Community Off-Season Wishlists
yea the young SS is Hu.
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by tampabaysportsfanatic on Nov 11, 2007 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

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