Field of Dreams
The St. Pete Times has posted a gallery of images that I presume are provided by the Rays, and man are they nice.

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Get it done Sternberg!
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In case the video on their majorleaguedowntown.com site isn't working for you (it didn't in my browser)... here's a direct link: direct video link
(Also, thanks to all you folks that keep this site humming. I'm not a big poster but I do read your work quite often and enjoy your insights and analysis.)
by Andrew @ DRaysBay on Nov 28, 2007 3:48 PM EST reply actions
Thanks, Andrew
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 28, 2007 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
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by tampabaysportsfanatic on Nov 28, 2007 4:04 PM EST reply actions
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by tampadenis on Nov 28, 2007 6:48 PM EST reply actions
Walking = bad?
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 28, 2007 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
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by tampadenis on Dec 1, 2007 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
During training camp
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2007 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
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by Elgrandeplatano on Nov 28, 2007 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
It will
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 28, 2007 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
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Too hot? Give me a break. There's a wonderful breeze down there and the new stadium is clearly designed to take advantage of it. They played baseball outdoors for thousands of years before air conditioning was invented, we'll survive. :)
If you really think it's too hot to sit outside near the water on a hot summer day do me a favor and go to DisneyWorld in the summer. Orlando is hotter than the fires of hell and people flock there without hesitation.
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Ray Jay gets hotter than hell as well, atleast this is on the water. This is going to be awsome and I for one will make sure I vote when this goes to the poles.
by Elgrandeplatano on Nov 28, 2007 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
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Baseball is meant to be played outdoors on fresh cut grass, not in a warehouse on carpet.
by floridaroar on Nov 29, 2007 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
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by tampadenis on Dec 1, 2007 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
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Just don't stand next to the lightning rod mast!
I like that they designed something that has a few similarities to various other venues, but as a whole is unique.
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And as for the weather concerns...won't they still play games at night 5 of 7 days of the week in this new ballpark anyways?
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We can call it....
the heat----
Tell me intelligent fan, when in the Bronx in the summertime, is it not scorching ass hot? Or Arlington? Or Atlanta??? Like the dude above me said, what about Chicago??? IT's HOT in the SUMMERTIME EVERYWHERE!!!!
Also, in regards to parking, there is next to no parking at Wrigley, or at Yankee stadium- You know that St. Pete will have a trolly to get you to the game and back to your car with little effort. I can understand if you are medically unable to walk (bad legs, emphazima, etc.) for those of you who are just fat and lazy, it will do you some good to walk your big a** to the ballpark...
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by tampadenis on Dec 1, 2007 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Tell me
Texas does fine with attendance in the hottest stadium in the country, and the daily average temperature for this area in July is only 2 degrees lower than that of Atlanta, which also has an open-air stadium. The daily temperature for Chicago is about 10 degrees cooler, but the stadiums in Chicago have no covering at all on their stadium. The Rays have a tent to cover their stadium, which should reduce temperatures.
The Marlins don't draw not because of the fact that their stadium is outdoors, but because they have a crappy team more often than not that gets stripped of every key piece once every six years. They also play in a football stadium.
As for the parking, again I have concerns about that too. But they seem very confident that they have sufficient parking for this stadium based on the research they've done. The team has no reason to want to fail on this project, considering that it requires an immediate $150 million investment from their own pockets to even initiate. Further, their revenues for 30 years or more going forward are tied to the success of this stadium, so there is no reason for them to be ignorant of the problems.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 1, 2007 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
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by tampadenis on Dec 1, 2007 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
A no Brainer under the following conditions:
To understand this deal, we need perspective. I offer my background as an example.
My first game was when I was 13 years old, and my dad took me to see the Indians at Cleveland Municipal Stadium. That place was huge, 80,000 seats for baseball. My dad didn't want to go because he said the indians were losers and had been his whole life. This was 1985.
There was only 1 guy in the entire centerfield stands, and he was banging a drum the whole game. The Indians played hard, but were down 4-2 in the 8th inning. I got to move down and sit right beside their dugout, and when Joe Carter hit a home run that won I got a high five from a couple of players. I became a lifelong fan. Although I didn't get to go to another game until 1993.
In 1989, I heard that the Tribe was moving to St. Pete because of the stadium. I was heartbroken, but anyone could plainly see why the Indians were going to move. But everyone came together and decided to build Jacob's Field.
In 1993 my girlfriend got box seats to several Indians game including the final weekend. ( I married her for that) The Tribe was getting interesting, but the stadium was a complete joke. I never realized it until my wife surprised me with tickets to see the Tribe play a sold out game against the Yankees in 94. Then I realized how baseball was to be played. Jacob's field was beautiful, and to top it off, free agents suddenly wanted to come to Cleveland. Eddie Murray, Dennis Martinez and Orel Hershiser rewarded me with a world series visit in 1995 and the rest was history.
Jacob's field became a catalyst that drove development all over the lower downtown neighborhood in Cleveland. Restaurants, and other amenities just sprang up in what was once a really bad neighborhood. The indians had 455 straight sellouts, and they used that money to win 7 straight division titles, 8 playoff appearances, 2 ALCS appearances and 2 world Series appearances. In fact, they are still using this revenue, as the recent playoff run indicated.
Why is all this important? Because the Tampa Bay Rays are much like those indians I fell in love with so long ago. They have promise, and a habit of making life hard on the Yankees. They also have a bandbox stadium that sits out there unconnected with anything like it was some weird spaceship that just landed.
I believe that the Rays will be competitive. But in order for that to happen, we need to get this done. This will put the Rays on the map as a serious baseball team, and a legitimate destination for players.
In addition, St. Pete needs to get this done. Putting 20-30 thousand fans in downtown st. petersburg will present a lot of questions:
Where will they all eat?
Where will they all park?
The answers to those questions my friends will mean lots of money to the city. Downtown will be hopping and it will integrate the baseball game and the community and will drive businesses that will provide those services. And for those of us, who don't want to pay for parking, we can always take the bus.
On the other end, the parking lots at the Trop represent an uncapitalized asset. They are not generating any revenue for the team or the city. And they isolate the dome in ways which exclude it from the surrounding neighborhood. Adding that space to the tax roles, while utilizng space that is already in the public domain at Al Lang seems like a win win to me.
In short, the idea that there is no public benefit in all of this is stupid.
As for those who are worried about the heat, i will say this: Get over it. It is hot in Florida, but it is also hot everywhere else too.
As for those who want the new stadium in Tampa, i say this: Get over yourselves. I have been to Tampa. I have driven there. It is not that nice.
All that said, there are somethings I suggest changing:
The formula should be this:
150 Million Team contribution as agreed
200 Million from Sale and redevelopment of Trop site. Redirect future tax revenue from trop site to retire trop debt. Cap this revenue contribution at 200 million total.
50 Million from ticket surcharge : 1 dollar for every ticket times 20,000 tickets = 20,000 * 81 games times 20 years = 48 million dollars
50 Million from surcharge on food and merchandise sold at game over next 20 years.
Rays agree to be responsible for every dollar of cost overruns.
Total = 450 Million
The beauty is that the Rays will take the risks here. 20,000 tix means that they had better do their jobs delivering the promise of a competitive team.
Also the City should sign the Rays to an ironclad Lease extension which requires a minimum of 81 games to be played within the City of St. Pete until 2057. After 2027, when all debts for the stadium are paid off, when the City and the Rays should ensure that adequate maintenance and improvements are made to keep the stadium viable for the next 50 years.
So what do you say Rays? Deal?
by StarScream on Nov 30, 2007 11:07 AM EST reply actions
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That was a team that built from within, not from free agency. Also, the free agents they did get were older players at a reasonable price (Martinez, Hershiser, Murray). Hopefully Percival will payoff. Maybe a world series in a couple of years is not out of the question. Unlike the Tribe, I'd actually like to win it though.
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Doesn't there have to be an environmental study if any landfill is to be used in the bay? I am sure that will raise some very legitimate concerns about the ecology in the area and hope the Rays are sensitive to those concerns.
Oh the environmental regulators are a joke
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 1, 2007 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
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by tampadenis on Dec 1, 2007 4:29 PM EST reply actions
No, you're certainly not
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 1, 2007 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
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Incidentally, among the proposals is one for shuttles from parking lots around the area which not only addresses the parking but probably helps lessen traffic as well.
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by tampadenis on Dec 1, 2007 11:08 PM EST up reply actions

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