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Mitchell Report is Out

Either a sad, happy, or apathetic day depending on your point of view; from Deadspin, here's the list:

Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan

Section IX. B."Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball"

Rick Ankiel, Paul Byrd, Jay Gibbons, Troy Glaus, Jose Guillen, Jerry Hairston, Jr., Gary Matthews, Jr., and Scott Schoeneweis, and former players David Bell, Jose Canseco, Jason Grimsley, Darren Holmes, John Rocker, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams, and Steve Woodard."

No Rays - at least current - some former acquisitions like Valdez, Neagle, Todd Williams, and Donnelly are on the list, and players like Rocker, Piatt, and Canseco amongst others.

Here's the full report.

Pretty good look at every player mentioned.

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Re: Mitchell Report is Out
I am reading around and I understand Nixon, Varitek and Garciaparra are "alleged"..  I have been reading the report and there is no "list", it has to be read, all 409 pages of it.  Are these 3 guys on it?
Joe

by joedobr on Dec 13, 2007 3:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

None of them were mentioned
From my understanding; same with the Pujols, Wood, Prior rumors, ect.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 13, 2007 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: None of them were mentioned
I just sent you a list...We are going to have to double check some stuff..

The entire report will have to be re-read or other reports will have to come out.  I have read other prominent individuals come out.

NBC News was talking about that and the Red Sox trifecta.  We will have to wait on this I guess.

Joe

by joedobr on Dec 13, 2007 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: None of them were mentioned
As far as I know there isn't a single current Sock on the document.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 13, 2007 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: None of them were mentioned
I was just sending you some stuff...You may want to post it...

Pretty odd that Tejada gets traded in the 3 day window as the report was being reviewed.  I think its disgusting as well how Tejada was moved 1 day prior to the report was released.  I don't think that was coincidence.

Joe

by joedobr on Dec 13, 2007 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
Sheffield should be on the list.  That should be asked about.
Joe

by joedobr on Dec 13, 2007 3:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
Sheffield, Bonds, and others are in the BALCO section of the document, but not on the 'list' so to speak.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 13, 2007 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
This is a horrible day for MLB.  Clemens has just soiled his legacy as far as I am concerned.  Its all jaded and tainted.
Joe

by joedobr on Dec 13, 2007 3:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
Baloney. It is a terrible day for Selig and the fools who cared about any of this. The entire search is disgusting. These players did nothing wrong. I am thrilled that solid citizen, idol of the fans, moral high road Pettitte is on the list. I would have loved for more fan idols to be included so as to create the appropriate backlash.

But as long as people are out for blood and to satisfy their sense of moral superiority, I say let's go all out. I want Mitchell to investigate the amphetamine users, Mays, Aaron, Frank Robinson, Koufax, Bunning, Bench, Celerino Sanchez, Doc Medich, Yaz and the rest. Let's keep going and search out all the major league lawbreakers and morally corrupt players since Alexander Cartwright, those who used all sorts of suspect enhancements to improve their performances.

Oh yes, we see it already, people questioning why A is on the list and B isn't. Despicable exercise!

by bobr on Dec 13, 2007 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As I've stated before
I don't care if players use roids or not, so none of this really affects me.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 13, 2007 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: As I've stated before
You don't have to care, RJ, and that is ok.  I really don't care either in the sense it doesn't affect my own life.  But I can tell you for a fact that players that are in HS and locally where I live are doing it.  I have talked up and down here and its a part of the game.

Its the old adage, are you going to be the problem or the solution?  It takes a lot of courage and guts to be the solution.  The answers will have to come from government intervention, and here I am a Republican!!  Baseball can not fix this problem, although in order to begin to fix it, everything has to be laid out on the line.  Unfortunately, the MLBPA refused to cooperate.

Joe

by joedobr on Dec 13, 2007 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the MLBPA refused to cooperate...
Why didn't the MLBPA seek to protect those players who risked their careers by not using this stuff?

by ttnorm on Dec 13, 2007 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: the MLBPA refused to cooperate...
Because Don Fehr is a moron who's only job is to get their clients the most money possible regardless of any consequences.  Fehr lives in a bubble and so does Orza.  They don't care, Norm.  Its all about the money, very short sighted.

They made a deal with the devil and I would not be surprised if there is additional intervention by Congress.  Norm, in the world of worlds, they should care about the health and welfare of their union, but they would rather get their people the most money.

Joe

by joedobr on Dec 13, 2007 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: the MLBPA refused to cooperate...
I agree that Fehr and then MLBPA have been, to put it kindly, shortsighted.  But while they expanded the earnings potential of those who used, the MLBPA cared NOTHING about the players who didn't.  

No doubt the owners cared little about the effect of PEDs on the integrity of the game.  From the report:

"According to the notes of an internal discussion among Los Angeles Dodgers
officials in October 2003 that were referred to above, it was reportedly said of Lo Duca during
the meetings:
Steroids aren't being used anymore on him. Big part of this.
Might have some value to trade . . . Florida might have interest.
. . . Got off the steroids . . . Took away a lot of hard line drives.
. . . Can get comparable value back would consider trading. . . . If
you do trade him, will get back on the stuff and try to show you he can have a good year. That's his makeup. Comes to play. Last year of contract, playing for 05."

It would be wrong to punish players for past offenses and not punish clubs this behavior.

by ttnorm on Dec 13, 2007 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point
The scope and fault is so widespread its damning to everyone.

The MLBPA turned their backs on the players that wanted to play the game straight on the up and up.  And the owners are wrong for supporting the culture?  Everything is wrong here.

Joe

by joedobr on Dec 13, 2007 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
Its a horrible day for anyone that cares about it Bob.  We aren't going to get any closure to this whatsoever.  As long as Don Fehr wants to get his players the most money and collective bargaining is going to be involved, its not going away.  The Steroid Era has just begun.

The cheaters will just get more creative.  It won't ever end until we have serious people ready to ask serious questions and get serious answers.  These men have dishonored and cheated their employers, the public and the game themselves and deserve nothing but scorn.  Yes, its predominant but it takes guts in fortitude to fix the problem?  Do you want this fixed?

Oh I disagree Bob, they knew they were in violation of Federal law.  Have you gone to any local HS games like at Grant Field in Dunedin?  Do you know how predominant steroids and PED's are in local amateur athletics?

People have to fight the fight and crave and desire change!

Joe

by joedobr on Dec 13, 2007 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
Frankly I think the whole "HS players using roids" story is a bit overdone. Are there some HS players doing it? Indisputably, however I don't think it's nearly as widespread as people speculate.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 13, 2007 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
I will say this, its true RJ.  I have talked to good people at my workout center plus back in my old HS which was a baseball factory here in North Pinellas and its true.

3% out of 100 is 3, 3% out of 1000 is 30.  The numbers add up.  All I am saying, which is sad is that the issue is real, and its at the lowest levels.

Joe

by joedobr on Dec 13, 2007 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
According to Mitchell, even using the low end of the estimates on steriod use by high schoolers, 100s of 1000s of high school kids are using.

by ttnorm on Dec 13, 2007 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Clemens-
Deserves this, they all do...
this is just the surface however, those guys who have done 'roids who didin't make "the list" must be breathing a little easier, you know there has to be much more...

this should sufficiently keep Clemes out of Cooperstown, and that makes me smile

by nittsallgood on Dec 13, 2007 3:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Clemens
I agree All Good...  I don't think it over by any means.  They cheated Father Time and robbed jobs from other more deserving players.  How the f did Clemens "deserve" $28 million pro rated last year?

There is a deep problem within the sport and in all sports for that matter.  To fix this problem must go beyond collective bargaining.  To correct this can not even be scratched by collective bargaining.  There must be a private source that tests ALL professional athletes.

Regardless, Clemens is a cheater and has disqualifed himself from HOF consideration.  Everything from 95 on when he had his original shoulder problems have to be scrutinized.  The whole thing reeks.

Joe

by joedobr on Dec 13, 2007 3:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
Not a name on there surprised me. Todd Hundley suddenly becomes a HR hitter. He couldn't stop there, he took his rid act to Dodgers.

As far as the report, guess heat will not just be on Bonds and Giambi anymore.

Its a shame for Bonds and Clemens to damage there legacy as they would have been there without starting on roids.

As far as Selig, yes he kept his eyes shut for years, but at least he woke up with force.  He could  be like GW Bush and been in denial forever about anything.

by David Bloom on Dec 13, 2007 4:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I haven't read the report...
...and I don't exactly know how these names were obtained, but isn't the core of this list he said/she said?  Can someone fill me in on how Mitchell got these names?
www.lbacentral.com

by SeanDubbs on Dec 13, 2007 4:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

From MLBTR
Larry Bigbie (confessed)
Brian Roberts (based on an admission to Bigbie)
Jack Cust (based on an admission to Bigbie)
Rondell White (Kirk Radomski)
Roger Clemens (Brian McNamee)
Andy Pettitte (Brian McNamee)
Gregg Zaun (Kirk Radomski)
Ron Villone (Kirk Radomski)
Miguel Tejada (performance-enhancers provided to Tejada by teammate Adam Piatt)
Mike Stanton (Kirk Radomski)
Stephen Randolph (Kirk Radomski)
Paul Lo Duca (Kirk Radomski)
Eric Gagne (Kirk Radomski)
Matt Herges (Kirk Radomski)
Gary Bennett (Kirk Radomski)
Brendan Donnelly (Kirk Radomski)
Howie Clark (Kirk Radomski)
Nook Logan (Kirk Radomski)
Alex Cabrera (Commissioner's Office, DEA, clubhouse attendant)

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 13, 2007 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I haven't read the report...
The report's documentation is detailed and goes far beyond he said she said.

by ttnorm on Dec 13, 2007 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
ha ha, thats a reliable site.

i grabbed the pdf manifesto off of the espn site. did a search of Roger Clemens, sure turned up alot of hits in the document.

by David Bloom on Dec 13, 2007 4:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
I do care about some of the issues raised by the inquisition into steroid usage.

I am outraged at the illegal and unethical leaking of grand jury testimony and think there needs to be an investigation to find and punish whoever was responsible.

I am outraged at Congress injecting itself into an issue that is outside its province and trying to make political hay by ratcheting up the paranoia about it.

I am also outraged that Congress put undue pressure on the Union to reopen negotiations on a properly negotiated contract.

I am deeply concerned about the cavalier way the 4th amendment was ignored in the haste to find people who used steroids.

But primarily, here is my view of the actual steroid issue. IT IS NOT A MORAL ISSUE; IT IS A HEALTH ISSUE. It has no more moral connotations than does nicotine or alcohol, in fact, probably less as it is less likely to affect anyone except the user. If baseball wants to sign on as a sponsor of anti-steroid education programs, more power to it.

I realize there are laws against some steroids, and for brevity sake will not review the fuzziness and illogic of most of those laws as well as the complex nature of steroids themselves, some legal, some not, some prescription and some not. Nor will I get into the at best questionable evidence about how they affect performance.

But the key is that baseball decided, in my view in the wrong way, but that is now moot, to establish a policy about steroids. Players can be tested, and there are clear penalties established. That should be the end of it. Any player who is found in violation gets the penalty and we move on. There is no reason for any further investigation or any further smearing of players who have done nothing to violate baseball policy.

If there were laws violated, it was up to the police authority to find the violaters and bring them to court. If baseball rules are violated, it is up to baseball's enforcement arm to mete out the penalties. That should be the end of it.

References to kids and the like is disgusting demagoguery. I am sure some kids are prone to follow the example of athletes, as they are other heroes. It is nice if athletes live their lives as good models, but not incumbent on them. If people are really interested in setting a good example they might go after the pharmaceutical companies who dominate the advertising time on TV.

The discussion that follows on this report has already demonstrated the moral bankruptcy of people who cast aspersions on people they do not know, who add names indiscriminately to the list, who assume that the ratting out of specific people by informers like Radomski and other trainers is a legitimate reason to condemn people.

by bobr on Dec 13, 2007 4:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Regardless
Its out there now and it will be dissected very hard.  We can argue the implications until we are blue in the face.  Blame is endless here, really.  Who is going to fix this problem?  Its by no means over yet, we still have cheaters flaunting in the face of conventional wisdom.
Joe

by joedobr on Dec 13, 2007 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Regardless
There is no problem to fix, unless you mean the one created by this report. If there ever was a problem, it was fixed by the agreement to test and penalize players. If people are not satisfied with the agreement, there are procedures to alter it at the next negotiations.

We need to expunge the word cheater from this discussion. It is irrelevant and misleading. Since the agreement was put in place, some people have been caught cheating-that is breaking the rule-and have paid the penalty as required. Problem solved.

Hysterics are affixing blame for something about which there is no blame. Players were trying to enhance their performance by adding substances like steroids to their regimen. It has been established that steroids are dangerous to health so after much harrumphing and posturing a deal was struck to try to eliminate them from the game. We can hope this decision will keep players healthier and that it will be a good example to the general chemically addicted population to stop feeding themselves and their children drugs every time a new syndrome or problem is identified in commercials.

There is no reason to continue discussing it. Everything that needs to be known either has been revealed (i.e. the health dangers) or can be researched further without publicity, in fact probably more effectively in labs without publicity. Whatever tweaking is considered useful to make the policy more effective can be negotiated like all contractual issues, behind closed doors and with all parties making the best case they can.

As I said, if baseball feels a social obligation, it can fund anti-drug programs, sponsor awareness seminars and do all the other charitable work it can to keep the issue alive and the dangers public. Perhaps players would like to participate in such endeavours or in scared straight style presentations. Frankly, I think more good could be done to alter the idiocy of U.S. drug policy, but that is a different question.

by bobr on Dec 13, 2007 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Regardless
What of the players who understood that PEDs were illegal and decided not to enhance their performance through illegal means?  

by ttnorm on Dec 13, 2007 6:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To be honest
I am more shocked by the players haven't used Steroids then those who have.
Viva Los RAYniacs!

by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 13, 2007 5:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
Maybe this will end all the bitching and moaning about Bonds. Especially the asterisk talk. Bonds had to juice in order to keep up with the league.

Let's face facts, steroids saved baseball.

by Jhattenburg on Dec 13, 2007 5:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
A sad day, but for reassons other than the obvious...

I agree steroids have been a horrible problem in baseball, not so much because of the ethics of their use, rather because of the indirect impact their use at the highest levels has had on players in college and high school.  These young people face enormous pressure that you've got to use them to keep up in a future career in the game.  And that makes steroids a giant health risk.  That is the fundamental core of the problem.

As for the ethics, you can argue whether or not steroids consistute cheating.  Is it cheating to train hard?  To study video of opposing pitchers?  To steal signs?  To bevel the foul lines because your team has good bunters?

Like those things, steroids are a tool to get an edge.  But the difference is they are a dangerous one.

Now that said, this whole concept of naming names and hanging our collective heads in shame, pointing fingers, and so forth, smacks of the same vibe you got at the McCarthy hearings or the Salem Witch Trials.  The personification of an issue always makes it seem worse, but the fact is, we're all in this together, because we all knew it was going on--Bud Selig first and foremost.  I'm no fan of Barry or even Clemens, but does their lofty status in the game make their sin any worse?  It does not.  We just feel worse as fans, because we put so much stock in their accomplishments.

There will be scapegoats and fall guys, a Joe Jackson here, a Pete Rose there.  And maybe that's what it takes to get this behind us.  But let's put this in perspective:  this is a health issue that affects our up and coming athletes, and it is good that we are now doing something about it.  It is just too bad that the accountablility for this is going to fall onto players who are just pawns in the game...

by Calif on Dec 13, 2007 6:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tim Laker
What a shame... I really thought he was great... now I know the truth. May every time we say the name "Tim Laker" we think Juicer!
Viva Los RAYniacs!

by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 13, 2007 8:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Tim Laker
And there the point!

What strikes me in all of this is the absolute cavalier approach. Guilt by accusation - people are named (admittedly with some substantiation) due to who the commission got to talk. Your dealer flew under the radar, you're okay. Yours got caught and spoke, so sad for you, there goes your reputation. No fairness, and all involved had to know that the only lasting impact of this report is the smear on the reputation of the named. The rest will be old news in a month.

What strikes me in it all is how ineffectual steroids must be. With a few notable exceptions, and of course those are the names we'll hear over and over, most of these guys are mediocre or less players. The other point that strikes me is that clearly there is a perception among players that these substances have curative properties more than "performance enhancing" properties. 1/2 the named's performances hardly could be called enhanced.

But there seems to be a high coorrelation with injury rehab and use. Do these guys who make their living on the health of their bodies know something medicine isn't open to - steroids as a drug family are typically employed as anti-inflammatories, and inflammation is the daily bane of the player, and particularly the pitcher. The side benefit of enhanced or rapid muscular development is certainly a significant byproduct if not the point of use in the first place. More likely in my mind it's another example of belief outstipping any observeable / studied impact, the basis of the largely unregulated supplements industry's success.

The problem is that the focus in such a situation will always be on the who rather than the what. The capriciousness of becoming one of the who is troubling.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Dec 13, 2007 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mitchell Report is Out
I want to play to!  Let's see, my high school pitching career consisted mostly of shoulder and elbow injuries.  I know, I'll be Kevin Brown in our little scenario.  

by stpetelawyer on Dec 13, 2007 10:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Al's Morning Meeting -- The Steroid Scandal
Special Morning Meeting: The Steroid Scandal

Al Tomkins is a friend and colleague who works here in St. Petersburg at the Poynter Institute for Media Studies.  "Al's Morning Meeting" is his daily newsletter (also available via RSS); it is basically topical story ideas and resources for journalists, but always has plenty of worthwhile info of general interest.

The "Special Morning Meeting" on the steroid scandal is full of links and supporting material.  Well worth your time if this is of any interest to you.

Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona.
~George F. Will, Men at Work: The Craft of Baseball, 1990

by webdoyenne on Dec 13, 2007 11:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Mitchell Report in a Free Searchable Database
Another Mitchell Report resource, from askSam Systems (a good Florida company):

A free, searchable database of The Mitchell Report has been released by askSam Systems. The askSam database contains a full-text searchable archive of George J. Mitchell's report to the commissioner of baseball on the investigation into steroid and other performance enhancing substance use by players in Major League Baseball.

You can search, browse, and analyze the Mitchell Report online at:

     http://www.askSam.com/ebooks/mitchell-report.

The askSam Version of this report contains...


  • A full-text searchable version of the entire report
  • A more detailed Table of Contents
  • A summary list of players mentioned with links to the page where they are mentioned in the report
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona.
~George F. Will, Men at Work: The Craft of Baseball, 1990

by webdoyenne on Dec 14, 2007 8:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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