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Aki's hurt again

He's going to be out 5 days because he got hit in the eye with a ball last night.  He tried to make an over the shoulder catch, he missed and it bounced back up and hit him in the eye.

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It's the curse...
Of King Naimolian.

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 3, 2007 12:38 PM EDT   0 recs

That sucks
Losing your best player due to injury tends to be a detriment.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jun 3, 2007 1:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: That Sucks
Patrick--99% of the time I agree with your insight and "on the money" commentary, but did I read your last post correctly ?  What evidence is there to suggest that Aki is this team's best player ?  He has been extremely productive during his brief time on the field, but I would argue that even when healthy and at peak performance, he is at best the 3rd best baseball player on this team, and more likely the 4th or 5th most valuable, depending on the metric.  If Upton were a FA at the conclusion of this season, I don't think it would be a stretch to presume that he could command $ 12-15 mm per on the open market because of his combination of power, speed, and plate discipline.  His BB walk rate will continue to progress, and I'm anticipating the sort of ascent that we've witnessed with Crawford in the last 4 years, in terms of measured productivity gains.  

Tools wise, Delmon is blessed beyond Upton or Crawford, but it remains to be seen what he'll make of it.  His swing is incredibly loopy right now, it's a wonder  anyway throws him a pitch below the belt.  Either way, I'd take Crawford first, then Upton, then Shields, then Delmon, then Kaz, then Iwamura.  Yes, I think Shields is that good, and yes, he will get better.  Anyway, food for thought.  I just don't think you can make a blanket statement, based on a body of work that measures effectively 6 weeks, that Aki is this team's best player.

TP

by Florida Son on Jun 3, 2007 4:43 PM EDT   0 recs

We just disagree
The sample size argument that you bring to the table is a reasonable one, however I believe that Iwamura has exhibited several traits in his brief stint with the Rays that make my naming him the best player on the team a reasonable assertion at the moment. The hitting ability I discount, because that is prone to streaky play. However his plate discipline, pitch recognition, and ability to extend the counts and make pitchers work to get him out I believe will make him a tough at bat any time he comes to the plate. Those are traits that don't ebb and flow like hitting success. His defense is another aspect I like. I think that his defense, while a trait more prone to slumps than those listed above, is never going to be a tool that will fluctuate. The quick reflexes he shows are a mix of natural ability and experience. The latter will never get worse, and I don't see the former doing so any time soon. I think he is even a better defensive player than Crawford at a more important position, and with a pitching staff that needs all the help they can get, that is extremely valuable. You could argue that Young is better defensively, and I would agree with you, however he is lacking in other areas, namely hitting, that diminish his status where such a comparison is not important in evaluating who is the better overall player.

To be fair, the comment was made in jest and I really didn't think it through to much. I would agree that Crawford is the team's best player, however really it is a toss-up between Iwamura and  Shields at No. 2 for me, with Shields probably getting the edge because he has been comparably dominant for a full season. Delmon Young at the moment is not a good hitter at all, he has no plate discipline and won't even be close to Iwamura until he either develops some or compensates for it with exceptional ability in other areas offensively. His defense, as mentioned before, is superior. His arm certainly is. But the overall package isn't there yet.

B.J. Upton isn't in it for me, not even close. His defensive ability is far inferior, and Iwamura is a better hitter right now despite Upton's torrid start. Though Upton has shown improvement with his K rates as of late, they still are a major black mark overall on his ability to sustain offensive production. I take Iwamura over him in both areas.

Kazmir is tough to gauge. I think Kazmir is, on rate performance, the best player on the team hands down. However he doesn't sustain it long enough to be better than Iwamura at this point. He has been unable on many occasions to proceed deep into ballgames, and he has a penchant for control issues. Despite that last factor, he is still better on rate performance than Iwamura, but his inconsistency in sustaining those impressive rates when he pitches knocks him below Iwamura for me.

For the record, of the six players that you listed, I would rank them as follows:

Crawford
Shields
Iwamura
Kazmir
Upton
Young

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jun 4, 2007 3:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, and by the way
Your first remark humbles me. I appreciate the kind words and I'm glad that you like my commentary.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jun 4, 2007 3:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Oh, and by the way
Well I agree with you 98.9% of the time.  The other 1.1% I consider to be insanity.  ;)

by RayFanNY on Jun 4, 2007 9:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The difference between insanity and genius........
Is measured only by success. And I'm pretty damn proud of myself if my successes total 98.9% of the time. ;)

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jun 5, 2007 3:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: That Sucks
I agree with you that it's difficult to put Aki at the top of the Rays list after a few months, but I think he is at least the most professional player on the team (along with Crawford). He does all the small things right: in the field, on the base paths, and at the plate. Upton and Young, as good as they have been, still struggle with that sometimes. I'm sure it has a lot to do with age & experience, but Aki is the kind of player that could put the Rays over the proverbial hump. He could also be a potential gold glove candidate.
ccfan

by ccfan on Jun 5, 2007 10:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Aki's hurt again
We don't have nearly enough of a sample size to determine aki's real worth. Is he even better then pena or wigginton? Their sample size's are much larger, and we can make a more informed decision.

by Jhattenburg on Jun 3, 2007 9:52 PM EDT   0 recs

Aki is better than Wiggy
He can take a walk and field his position. Those are 2 things that, in Wiggy's larger sample size, we know for a fact that Wiggy can't do at all.

by Jacob Larsen on Jun 4, 2007 12:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Aki is better than Wiggy
Totally agree.  You can't argue sample size and defend Wiggy at the same time.  He's a decent role player but he shouldn't be a MLB starter.

Aki has a long track record with the Japanese league.  There are some fairly reliable statistical correlations to go on when projecting MLB equivalents, so it isn't like there is 0 track record.  One thing which translates perfectly however is fielding ability.  He's a multi time gold glove winner in Japan, and unless the gloves respond differently over here I'd say we have a fine sample size to work off of.

by RayFanNY on Jun 4, 2007 1:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Aki's hurt again
I understand what everyone is saying about sample size but like Raysfan said he is a veteran, it was just in Japan. While some things do not tranfer over fielding ability, as well as arm strength doesn't change.

Your argument also lost credibility because you compared wiggy to Iwamura. Wiggy had a fluke season which wasn;t even fantastic by any means. He just mad a bad team a tad better.

by Elgrandeplatano on Jun 4, 2007 8:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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