You're Not Worthy: Mike and the Mad Dog HOF List

by David Bloom on Jan 9, 2008 8:29 PM EST

At one time, the sports radio the brain trust of Mike Francesa and Christopher "Mad Dog" Russo of sportsradio66 WFAN were considered some kind of sports experts. That time was the early days of sports radio in mid 1980s, and the stuff they spew out now on the air now is almost un-listenable - Its about time. Maybe its just that the their time has come and gone, and the fans are simply just more knowledgeable.

Well, on the airwaves yesterday they were talking about the Hall of Fame Results, and who was or was not deserving of being enshrined in Cooperstown. A little different, than the Keltner list, their criteria is as follows:

You need to be a dominant player in the years you played
You need to read the back of their baseball card and see at least 10 Hall of Fame like Years offensively
Number of times the player made the All-star game is huge.
Defense does not matter
There are no corrections or equivalences if you play on a good or bad team.

Based on this criteria , Mark McGwire is in. Here are the results on who they said are not HOF caliber players:

Tim Raines. Just 7 Hall of Fame years. He was a speedster, but agreed injuries did not get him enough career numbers.
Bert Blyleven. 3.30 ERA , 3700 Ks , 287 W not good enough for Mike and MadDog. I think Sutton in, Bert out. Crazy!

Andre Dawson. Career 400 Hrs but less than 10 dominant years. This guy would hit 600 on what was in McGwire's locker.

Dale Murphy. Career 398 Hrs. His 1982-1987 were amazing. Played on some bad teams. Murphy out, but Kirby Pucket in?

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Tom Tango

Interesting post today:

Jim Rice is 173rd all time (262 win shares, ending in 1986). There's about 200 players in the Hall of Fame, so, he'd qualify under this 12-year criteria. But, it's certainly not overwhelming. Among players whose 12 year peak period started in 1964 or later, Rice is 73rd. Recent nonpitchers around him are:
Brett Butler, 264
Jose Cruz, 264
Dwight Evans, 263
Dale Murphy, 262
Alan Trammell, 261
Amos Otis, 261
John Olerud, 260

So, according to Win Shares, those 7 players, at their 12-year consecutive best, are equal to Jim Rice.

Tim Raines (1982-1993) is #16 among those recent players, at 313, between George Brett at 314 and Frank Thomas at 311.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 9, 2008 8:37 PM EST reply actions

according to Fatso and Fruit Loops 8 awesome years and 10 crappy years is better than 6 awesome years and 12 almost awesome years. in their counting .280-30-99 is just as bad as .201-15-45.
also next time they do this follow along on Baseball-Reference.com. It is FUN-NY! Mike is the one that reads the stats. If it is a guy he likes, he always rounds the numbers up and sometimes he just blatantly gets them wrong by a lot and they are always wrong in favor of his argument. If he doesnt like a guy it is just the opposite. it is quite commical how consistent he is.

by The Professor on Jan 9, 2008 10:40 PM EST reply actions