The Phillies Are NL Champions
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 15, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
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so matt stairs for their DH?
at least we wouldnt have to have brett myers hitting against us if we can beat boston 1 more time
when you think .500 is the best a team can do and they are currently playing in the ALCS for a chance to advance to the WS, you have to stop and think that the future of that team is going to be amazing. GO TB RAYS!
their offense really is overrated in my opinion
howard is too hit and miss, utley has been horrible the past couple of months, burrell is still too inconsistent, rollins isnt that good this year, victorino is a pretty good hitter though and jason werth is pretty good as well
when you think .500 is the best a team can do and they are currently playing in the ALCS for a chance to advance to the WS, you have to stop and think that the future of that team is going to be amazing. GO TB RAYS!
Chase Utley is one of the most valuable players in baseball.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 16, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps the second best player in the NL.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
11th in EQA
10th in VORP
12th in MLV
How is Utley the 2nd best player in the NL?
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I was looking at league total, he's 7th in VORP in the NL
As for defense, players above him include Pujols, Reyes, and Wright, all above average defenders. But defense doesn’t matter that much.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
But defense doesn’t matter that much.
Yes, it really does. Utley is the best defensive 2B in the league.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Defense doesn't matter that much. Offense is more important.
Also, without looking it up, I’d imagine that Matsui, Barmes (toward the end of the year), Durham, and maybe even Phillips would give him a run for his defensive money.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s very good, but it’s hilarious to think of him as the 2nd most valuable player in the NL.
OFF TOPIC:
I noticed you divided the writers here into Fresh Princes (you) and Jazzy Jeffs (some other people).
2 things: What ever happened to Patrick and I demand to be Uncle Phil
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
You're quite wrong about the value of defense.
Preventing a run is just as good as creating one.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 16, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It most certainly does, and if you don't understand that you aren't capable of properly judging player value.
He’s the best in the defensive 2B in NL. That’s a valuable player if he hit like a league average 2B. Wright is good, Reyes is ~above average, Utley is elite.
In addition, his BABIP was ~.050 lower than it should have been and his peripherals were better this year than any other year of his career.
I’m not sure if he’s the second best player in the N.L., but he’s definitely in the conversation.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 16, 2008 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
It most certainly does, and if you don't understand that you aren't capable of properly judging player value.
Man I was just “told” by forums user “acblue.”
A great hitter can add 80 or 90 runs to his team on offense.
A great defender can subtract maybe 20-25 runs from the other team.
Golly, which is more valuable?
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
HanRam VORP was 80 this year, Pujols was 90
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I really hate this argument. VORP is a convenient metric for measuring runs gained.
Find me a preferable metric, but I’d still say great hitters add 4 or 5 times as many runs as great defenders take away
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Above average?
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pfk_WuYpfdux2FC_hs6ROEQ&gid=1
It’s not perfect either, but the difference is not that large.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Try BRAA and add 20 runs. That's better than VORP as a VORP tool.
Pujols is the best this year at about 90, and that’s the highest by far.
Utley is somewhere around 30-40 runs better than a replacement level second baseman defensively.
Utley is a damn good player. He may not be 2nd best in the NL but he’s top 5.
I'll just assume we're talking about position players here.
Are you saying Utley is better than all but 4 of these guys:
Pujols, Wright, Reyes, Hanny, Beltran, Braun, ManRam, Mccann, Martin?
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is Pujols listed?
He’s number one.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
He may not be 2nd best in the NL but he’s top 5
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
or
“Carlton in that one Diet-Pills Episode”
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
He's not on your "Masthead" and has never see Fresh Prince
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Seen, ugh
EAT A DICK 1 IN THE MORNING
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
In order:
No, maybe not, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 16, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
How the hell does defense make up that gap in production?
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Ridiculously bad
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Oct 16, 2008 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Again
Utley: .292/.380/.535, below average BABIP for his LD rate, gold glove 2B.
Hanley: .301/.400/.540, atrocious defender at SS, should make the BJ Upton switch to CF.
The difference in production was .025 OPS points. The defense more than makes up that.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Oct 16, 2008 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't believe he was a +SS.
One year of defensive data won’t convince me.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 16, 2008 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if he's a -10 run SS he's more valuable than Utley.
HanRam is possibly the most underrated player in baseball.
Although I'm thinking I'm wrong about Utley>Hanley.
Hanley would be in CF if he was on my team though.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 16, 2008 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I like to imagine you're October Gonzo IRL
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Well.
About me:
This is the time of the season when it all starts for me. The race to October. Sure, I have my own home team but I’m really thinking about who’s going to make the amazing plays, the runs, the hits to get into October. Who will break out? Who will have a career season? Will a dark horse crash the party? That’s what it’s all about for me.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant to ask you
Why the fuck do you have a Tigers waste bin next to your desk in those commercials?
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
What run value are you attaching to Utley's D?
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Less than the value you're attaching to his D
You really are all over his D
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant the other post
The KA-BLAMMO landed across RJ “October Gonzo” Anderson’s broadside
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Strong words from someone who posted
That monkey blow job picture.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta learn somehow.
Better that way than from SRQ Man’s drawings
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I deserve them
I am the best poster on this site.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
PUYD has a better name and reminds me of Elijah.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
He also posts the jokes I tell him over AIM
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Allow me to bring up my "zingers" spreadsheet and cross reference...
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh hey how about that one dick joke.
You know unlike the trillions of other dick jokes.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Sample RJ Non-Dugout Humor Post
Whoa I’m so high
/a rap lyric
lmao weed man
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
FYI
Stomp The Yard is about 100 times better than Drumline.
They go to “Truth University”
So awesome
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a great subthread.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
lmao weed.
I’m going to continue my campaign of terror against your dugout-rip-offs until I’m made Uncle Phil or “Carlton from the Diet-Pills Episode”
With banning power
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
SRQ would be Uncle Phil.
CDPE is open though.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I only mention because I think I'm the only person on this blog out of highschool
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh well then I must go to sleep in defeat.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone remember those lame comedians from the 90s that wore bright clothes and performed on late night comedy shows?
You know, most of their jokes were puns or third grade comebacks or “you’re dumb” style jokes? The type of jokes that start like a bad airline food joke and end with an “am I right? Am I right?”
That’s the type of guy this clown reminds me of
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Oct 16, 2008 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions
That post was stupid as fuck.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Oct 16, 2008 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Utley is roughly Hanley with the bat.
Utley is obviously better than Hanley. And HanRam has been way worse than -10 at SS in recent years. He’s been historically bad before this year. And I can’t believe he’s just suddenly turned a corner.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Oct 16, 2008 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok
Better than Wright (maybe just offensively even), Reyes (not even close), Hanley (similar offensively, Hanley plays a worse SS than Jose Vidro would), Braun (defense matters, 2B is more important than LF too), Manny (barely even above average with his defense, pre-trade. 2 months isn’t a big enough sample to assume that’s who Manny really is), McCann, Martin. Really? Russell Martin? He’s not even the best player on his own team.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Oct 16, 2008 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Utley is both, but his defense doesn't come close to making up the gap behind a Pujols, Wright, or HanRam
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Paging Graham
Graham to the white courtesy phone please.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Oct 16, 2008 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry but there's no nicer way to put it.
Offense is more important but defense is much more important than you seem to think it is.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 16, 2008 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
If you were starting a team drafting NL players would you take Utley over Pujols, Wright or Hanny?
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
No, but that's because age and park factors matter.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
And Hanley actually made some progress defensively this season it appears.
Although I’ll wait for UZR to say for sure.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Neutral park, repeat 2008 production over 5 years
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
The statement "second best player in the NL" is pretty exclusive to right now.
Don’t you think?
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
2nd best player in the NL doesn't really imply "considering age and park"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
So he'd take a radical decrease in value if he moved to Chavez or Petco?
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Then why are you saying that his value implys park and age?
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you understand what I mean.
Also:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor
15th in RS, 11th in HR.
That ballpark has not played like you are suggesting.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
No because the value of one run is worth more in a pitcher's park.
Less runs are scored there so if he hit .280/.370/.520 in Dodger Stadium he’d be just as valuable as if he hit .300/.385/.540 in Citizen’s Bank Park.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Oct 16, 2008 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude's 30 and plays in the ultimate hitters park
If you factor in park and age then is 10 times as laughable that he’s the 2nd best player in the NL
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps not second best, but he's within the top 4-5.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 16, 2008 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering park and age? What about pitchers?
Even if no pitchers he’s barely top 10
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Off topic:
Looking at some 2nd basemen this pops out:
How the fuck did Jeff Kent win over Bonds in 2000?
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Kent is white and a middle infielder?
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 16, 2008 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Then a better question would be, why didn't Utley beat Rollins last year?
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
(It should have been Wright, but if we're talking about the Phillies...)
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That I cannot answer.
Kool-Aid?
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 16, 2008 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Utley pulled a Longo last year and sat out most of
the summer with a fractured wrist. If he hadn’t gotten hurt he would have walked away with the MVP hands down.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 16, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I'm going to stop trying
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Oct 16, 2008 5:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Pujols? Of course not. He's the most valuable player in baseball and it's not even close.
If it were a one year team I’d take him over Wright or Ramirez, yes. I think Wright is a more valuable asset.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 16, 2008 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
After being a Rays fan last year and this year, how can you say that defense doesn't matter?
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Oct 16, 2008 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
NOTE: All of those are hitting stats, we aren't even looking at Pitchers
I wonder where he’s at in WARP3
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
baseball's nightmare ws is 1 game away
everyone wants the red sux-dodgers ws to hike up the ratings, but now they might get the total opposite with the rays and phillies lol bud selig screw you and your ratings
when you think .500 is the best a team can do and they are currently playing in the ALCS for a chance to advance to the WS, you have to stop and think that the future of that team is going to be amazing. GO TB RAYS!
amen!
does this matchup look like 2003’s non-Cubs-vs-Bosox WS to anybody else?
2003 had the Yankees
so I say no.
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
Time for Clearwater to take down their stupid Go Phillies! sign comming in from the Courtney Campbell
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:23 AM EDT reply actions
If not..We can do it ourself.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
I got game 6 tix so I don't care if we win or lose tomorrow. Buh Bawss
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 16, 2008 1:14 AM EDT reply actions
there is a whole lot of jinxing going on in this thread
Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 16, 2008 9:08 AM EDT reply actions
I don't believe in jinxes. I believe you make your own destination.
Lay off the stadium, Iwamura
by Orlando Rays on Oct 16, 2008 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Carl Crawford?
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 16, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Crawl Carford
Lay off the stadium, Iwamura
by Orlando Rays on Oct 16, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
I think nobody outside of Boston wants Boston to win
Lay off the stadium, Iwamura
by Orlando Rays on Oct 16, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
THE PHILLIES
THE PHILS ARE GOING ALL THE WAY!!!! THE RAYS ARE TOO YOUNG AND THE LACK OF EXPERIENCE WILL SHOW AGAINST OUR SQUAD OF NIMBLE AND CRAFTY MIX OF VETERANS AND YOUNG BUCKS!!! THE PHILLIES ARE JUST WAY TOO GOOD THIS YEAR!!! LET’S GO PHILLIES…LET’S GO!!!
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