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Just to Clear the Air

Mos-def-the-ecstatic_tiny by R.J. Anderson on Comment 269 comments

Lifting Kazmir after 111 pitches and a long half-inning? Good. There was no reason to leave him in under those circumstances.


Putting in Balfour? Excellent. Clearly Maddon was trying to prevent the Red Sox from having a chance at a comeback by bridging the final nine with his best relievers.
Leaving Wheeler in to face five straight switch hitters or lefties? Why. Howell or Price or even Miller should've entered after Balfour. I don't know what Maddon was thinking by having Wheeler be Plan B to Balfour. The next inning would've seen the same batters come up, so while bringing Wheeler in for one out doesn't make sense, nor does not having a lefty ready to face the non-Jason Bay hitters.
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I am not overly concerned about any residual effects. Yes, that loss sucks. Yes, the TBS announcers are being muted from here on out. Yes, that was about as sure of a thing as any win, but we just need one. You can talk about momentum all you want, but frankly that's bullshit. If momentum were so damning why in the hell were the Red Sox still playing last night after getting the crap beat out of them the prior two games?

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So James Shields at the Trop is what it comes down to. We're still plus-one, and I think we learned something last night about how far this team has came. Last season that would've been just another implosion, but look at the reaction. I don't know that we had 50 comments following the Toronto/Florida explosions last season, yet when I woke up this morning we had 300 within seven and a half hours.

The loss stings, but at the same time it reminded us that we're one step, literally, from the World Series.

I could probably write 3,000 words about it yet I think it's smart if we begin looking at game six.

 

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Bring on Game 6!

I, like many others woke up still depressed and pissed this morning about last night’s game. However, I would like to thank Mr. Bobby Fenton for helping me turn my mood around this morning on my way back from class. I’m jacked up and really wish I was able to be at the Trop tomorrow night. It will surely be rocking harder than it ever has before. I’d also like to thank the four-letter network for pissing me off to no end this morning by already writing the Rays off. I will enjoy our success that much more now. WE ARE STILL UP 3-2 with Shields and Garza set to pitch the last two games at home (if need be). I say bring on Game 6! Bring on the Red Sox! Tomorrow night we will run them into the ground!! GO RAYS!!!!!

Blake
USF--Class of '09

by usfraysfan on Oct 17, 2008 12:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

No one expected us to sweep in Boston. We are sitting pretty and just need to go out and execute tomorrow. Maintain our patience at the plate, run wild on the bases, and play solid defense. They won one game. If we win one game we’re going to play some more baseball.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 12:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there are hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of them that feel that way.

and if you don’t believe me, then you don’t know Red Sox fans.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Oct 17, 2008 12:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow, a lot people then to be let down.

You’re right, i don’t think I do know Red Sox fans. I just know the idiot who parade around the Tampa Bay Area who claim they are Red Sox fans but can’t even tell me who played for the Red Sox in 2003. Go Rays.

"I tell you what? It doesn't suck!" - Jonny Gomes

by thebaddancingraysfan on Oct 17, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're Red Sox fans.

They’re too high on 2004 and 2007.

Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?

by Blicks on Oct 17, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hello. Yes.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They all do

It’s the arrogance of Red Sox Nation. They really have become like the Yankees: they honestly believe they are entitled to the World Series Championship.

That ends here.

Lay off the stadium, Iwamura

by Orlando Rays on Oct 17, 2008 7:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We are the New MFY.

Why people say that like it’s something we haven’t accepted, or that it makes us a bad team. We just aren’t gonna be stupid about our farm system (starting after Buch) , the free agents we sign (starting after Lugo), and the trades we make (starting after Gagne).

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Use Miller to pitch to Ortiz

He Kd him the night before, and Ortiz was the third out

If he goes down, the Sox go quietly in the 8th and 9th

Two more years of Wheeler—YIKES

by sternfan1 on Oct 17, 2008 12:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hysterical commentary

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's the guy

that is getting credit for Chuck Lamar’s team on the field, per TBS.

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 17, 2008 1:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TBS won't

FOX might (hopefully)

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 17, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You missed my point

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 17, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wheels to DL?

You know what? Fuck it. FREE TROY PERCIVAL.

Seriously, he’s better than Wheels at this point

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 17, 2008 1:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Momentum

Brush it off if you want, but here is how momentum works in playoff baseball:

Momentum: in the 1986 ALCS the Angels were up 3 games to 1 and were winning Game 5 late till Dave Henderson’s 9th inning home run sent the game to extra innings. The Red Sox built off of that and won that game in extra innings and then the next two to go to the World Series.

Momentum: in the 2004 ALCS the Yankees won a tough fought Game 1 which carried them to two big wins in Games 2 and 3 against Boston. They had Game 4 sealed up till a spark turned things in the other direction. Game 5 was another game which NY had and coughed up, and those two wins propelled the Red Sox into Games 6 and 7, two games they never trailed in, sending the Red Sox to the World Series.

Momentum: in last year’s ALCS the Indians won a hard-fought thriller in extra innings in Game 2 that carried them to two big wins in the next two games. Josh Beckett came in and slammed the door on Cleveland in Game 5 which then led to two huge wins in Games 6 and 7 by Boston (over 19 game winners CC Sabathia and Fausto Carmona), sending the Red Sox back to the World Series.

Momentum: this year the Rays won a hard-fought thriller in extra innnings in Game 2 that crushed the spirits of the Red Sox and propelled Tampa to two massive wins in Games 3 and 4 while riding that momentum. The momentum carried through till the 7th inning last night, when a spark turned things around for Boston.

It remains to be seen whether that momentum will carry the Red Sox out of the grave again, but to say that momentum is meaningless in baseball is downright wrong.

by WildYams on Oct 17, 2008 12:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They had a good team facing terrible pitchers

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 1:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This series is definitely Tampa's to lose

Shields vs. Beckett in Tampa should result in a Rays WS berth. However, if it goes to Game 7… You still gonna think Lester’s a terrible pitcher heading into that matchup?

by WildYams on Oct 17, 2008 1:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or the Rays just hit the ball well?

Not everything has to have some fairy dust reason for happening. What’s next, experience matters?

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 17, 2008 1:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*whities

damn my public school education

Blake
USF--Class of '09

by usfraysfan on Oct 17, 2008 1:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stupid America.

I suffer for baseball so damn much.

by Taylor H on Oct 17, 2008 1:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we dont believe in all dat fancy book learnin'

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 17, 2008 1:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And every other year, sweeps excluded,

A team won a game and thought they were going to win the next couple only to be kicked in the balls and left in a gutter.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 12:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes I did

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 17, 2008 1:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's only one Big Game James

And he won 3 championships with the Lakers.

Can someone explain where James Shields got this totally premature nickname from? How many big games has he even pitched in? Two?

by WildYams on Oct 17, 2008 1:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

He’s certainly got a chance now to prove whether he one day will truly deserve that moniker, but being 1-1 in two playoff appearances doesn’t exactly warrant such a nickname.

by WildYams on Oct 17, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This x ...a lot

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 17, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Momentum is only as good as your next starting pitcher

one of the smartest things I’ve ever heard.

OT:
I’ve noticed a lot of new people on this site the last few weeks.

Blake
USF--Class of '09

by usfraysfan on Oct 17, 2008 1:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The bandwagon grows.

I suffer for baseball so damn much.

by Taylor H on Oct 17, 2008 1:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Balfour

Well, I am a Sox fan, and I feel pretty confident that this series only goes 6. Anyone who has watched Beckett’s last few starts knows he can’t pitch effectively right now. His fastball is down close to 5 MPH, and his curve is sitting up in the zone. On the other hand, Shields has only tossed one bad start at home all year (against the Twins late in the season).

My question is about Balfour. While he has had a fantastic season, he has struck me all year as the kind of guy who is hittable if you see him enough. His season this year seems to me similar to Betancourt’s last year (Betancourt was actually even better), and Betancourt struggled as the playoffs wore on, because he is a one trick pony. You guys have seen him all year-what are your thoughts?

by Buzzy on Oct 17, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Game 5

The Rays lost a devastating game last night, 8-7. They didn’t lose anything else. They did not lose any momentum, they did not lose their confidence, and they did not lose their grip on the Championship. The Red Sox desperate, with a priest, Rabbi and a witchdoctor at their bedside and a funeral director taking measurements, somehow pulled off one of the greatest miracles. Would we want to be down 3 to 2 and going to Tampa, NO THANK YOU. We are in the drivers seat and they have to come to our house where they are only 2 for 11 this year and have to face the best team in baseball with their best pitchers yet (James Shields & Andy Sonnanstine). So give me a break and only tip your hat to them for one great comeback. Now back on track to the World Series. LETS GO RAYS

by CharlieRay on Oct 17, 2008 12:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garz will be pitching game 7 otherwise YOU GO BOIIII

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 1:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big Game James!!!!

I suffer for baseball so damn much.

by Taylor H on Oct 17, 2008 1:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RJ

Well said. Good to be a voice of reason. This one is still going to sting because of the magnitude of it, but being up 3-2 and the Sox having still no room for error. Just have to block it out and go for it.

I seem to remember in the 05 playoffs (NLCS), didn’t Lidge deliver a cookie to Pujols in Houston and Houston came back to win Game 6? That was a 2 out 2 strike situation where Houston was poised to win it there? Wheeler can draw some reference in that since I believe if memory serves he was in that game too??

Joe

by joedobr on Oct 17, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As far TBS goes

They have been widely criticized and rightfully so. I think they made some mistakes, especially Chip Caray. Having a night to think about it, you got to wonder about it. They made their intentions and feeling too overt. Plus they gave the karma kiss of death I didn’t care for.

Joe

by joedobr on Oct 17, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i hate them

tbs did not show one pitch of ours on that strike zone box as a replay except the ones that boston actually hit. thats such crap.

by Dugout Dre on Oct 17, 2008 4:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Before the series, If you could have signed up for a 3-2 lead heading back to the Trop

We all would have locked that in in a heartbeat. Yes, it was bad loss. Yes, we looked like the Devil Rays for a few innings. But we are in the driver’s seat here and I, for one, feel pretty damn good about it!

Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete

by stpetelawyer on Oct 17, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

totally agree with you stpetelawyer

when you think .500 is the best a team can do and they are currently playing in the ALCS for a chance to advance to the WS, you have to stop and think that the future of that team is going to be amazing. GO TB RAYS!

by RaysOfHope on Oct 17, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally disagree on the Balfour usage

Howell was the man who should’ve pitched the 7th and possibly the 8th.

by sofladude77 on Oct 17, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We gotta get up and show them we still the BOSS!

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How is Rick Ross not homeless.?

Between smoking all his money and jewelry this guy should be living in a box

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But Boss.....

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is the Baws.

Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?

by Blicks on Oct 17, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thinking optimistically

yes i know that i am new to this site but i promise i’ve been a fan years since i moved down to tampa 5 years ago. (i actually usually don’t post because i think i’m not funny enough!)
anyways, as i was standing on the top of my office building ready to jump after the game last night, i decided to think a bit logically. yes, taking the title at fenway would’ve felt good – but it’s going to feel even better when we are getting soaked by champagne from our boys on saturday. remember a week ago? we would’ve just been happy with one win at boston. coming home with a lead in the series is awesome.
i am not downplaying the suckage that was losing last night but i still have confidence in this team. there is a reason we are here and this is going to be a great battle.
GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Dugout Dre on Oct 17, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Check this out from OTM :

RJ Anderson is a nice guy

But he’s fucking scared. Check his "Just to Clear the Air" entry. That screams ‘oh fuck’ to whomever is reading. :)

by steve-o1285 on Oct 17, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's like 2 douchebags on that site who open their traps way too much

Most of those guys are ok but this idiocy surprises me.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 2:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was kidding

He ain’t scared, he seems cool about it. I’d be scared. See… It’s not serious.

When you’re an idiot, everything seems idiotic.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 17, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just call them as I see them.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fine with me

Just don’t expect everyone to take it.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 17, 2008 4:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is one of them RedSoxUltras?

I’d tend to agree with you on that. If it’s me, I might agree with you too, but only about the second part of the description. I am in no way a dbag. http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/data/519/gay_dude.jpg

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That pic is safe, btw. Just noticed the URL.

Didn’t want to post the actual pic because of RJ’s pic size freak out thing.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rays have to win 1. Red Sox have to win 2.

Both are at Tropicana Field. I like our chance.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 2:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chalk full of dumb.

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 17, 2008 2:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do

Not actually scared, but the thought of being so close to a thing only to see it going away is effed up. Not that the Sox will likely win the series, I’m not saying that. But the idea of them winning should be sort of scary now. I’d feel that way, anyway.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 17, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know

I don’t remember the word right now. Nervous could be it, but it’s not quite that as well.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 18, 2008 1:04 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If momentum were so damning why in the hell were the Red Sox still playing last night after getting the crap beat out of them the prior two games?

Because good teams play hard even without momentum. Momentum can’t prevent mistakes, and good teams that play hard take advantage of those mistakes. If the Red Sox play mistake-free, they will win tomorrow night. If not, the Rays will take advantage of their mistakes (again), and go to the World Series.

Oh, and RJ: You can’t be born clutch, you must learn it.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, the middle finger isn't up in the bull hand thingy.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

www.intstantrimshot.com

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh, spelling fail.

www.instantrimshot.com

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kid didn't even watch the game

He went to a meaningless HS Football game

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I watched the last three innings. And the rest of the games.

And the game wasn’t meaningless. We have a chance at district this year. We’re second in Class 5A District 7, which is having a down year.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HS sports are meaningless

this is the ALCS homes.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 18, 2008 11:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasn't on the net at all during any of the post season games.

Funeral, homework, and a social life kinda interfered.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well...

…last i checked, we were still down.

by 808BostonFan on Oct 17, 2008 6:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe he meant emotionally.

Although I’m still kinda down emotionally because my grandfather died recently, but that’s not important because no one cares about a piece of shit’s family.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 6:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then explain to me why clutch doesn't exist. I'm not trying to sound smart either.

Some people can stay calm and level-headed during times of great stress than others. If you go through a situation a first time, it usually will be too stressful for you to succeed. But you can learn from those mistakes and perform better the next time. People who perform well in a stressful situation the first time have either learned from other experiences or have been mentored by others who have been there.
That’s why it took Peyton Manning so long to win a Super Bowl. He couldn’t lead his team in the playoffs as well as in the regular season, and the Colts never compensated for that. Their defense finally stopped the run in ‘06, and then were fortunate enough to play the Bears in the Super Bowl. That game won itself for them.
Another example: Papi. He learned clutch with the Twins, and then with the Sox in ’03. http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/ortizda01.shtml He has taught the rest of the Sox players clutch too, hence Pedroia, Youk, Bay, Kotsay, Coco, and JD DREW’s clutch performances last night.
Even Michael Jordan had to learn clutch again once he got to the NBA. He went through the playoffs SIX TIMES before he won a championship.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 9:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How you got that from what I said is beyond me.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It help MJ that he finally got a decent team to work with.

Kobe has not won without Shaq is Kobe not clutch?

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 10:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm... Shaq has only had success with a upper tier guard.

Maybe Kobe is clutch, and Shaq has never had to be. Kobe’s team last year wasn’t exactly full of AllStars.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or I don't know maybe one player doesn't win a championship.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 10:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's not what clutch is about.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Define clutch then.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 10:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a mechanism for readily engaging or disengaging a shaft with or from another shaft or rotating part

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is not what made Jordan win his Championships or anyone else.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 10:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joking.

(adj) keeps a hope, dream, or goal a possibility through actions that are perform in a situation that would possibly cause said hope, dream, or goal to not be realized.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You like the Bulls too? You are a bandwagon fag.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't like pro-basketball.

Even when all the o-fours left UF I didn’t care what team they went to.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someday I am going to fire-bomb your house

You will be asleep and have no chance for survival. You are a disgrace to Boston fans and sports fans in general. Better hurry up and get your Titans jersey bro.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 18, 2008 11:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe. He's great, but he may not be clutch.

The MJ point is valid, but it could also go with Kobe. MJ progressively went further each time though.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are always wrong on so many levels.
He made the game-winning jump shot in the 1982 NCAA Championship game against Georgetown, which was led by future NBA rival Patrick Ewing.

Jordan’s second season was cut short by a broken foot which caused him to miss 64 games. Despite Jordan’s injury and a 30–52 record,18 the Bulls made the playoffs. Jordan recovered in time to participate in the playoffs and performed well upon his return. Against a 1985–86 Boston Celtics team that is often considered one of the greatest in NBA history,19 Jordan set the still-unbroken record for points in a playoff game with 63 in Game 2.20 The Celtics, however, managed to sweep the series.

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by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 10:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ooh. Wikipedia.
had to learn clutch again
It help MJ that he finally got a decent team to work with.
The MJ point is valid

I’m not a big pro-basketball fan, I was only using it because it showed that clutch exists in more than just baseball. Same goes for the Manning point.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where is that in the Jordan article.

You are an idiot.

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by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 10:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not in the Jordan article. I mentioned Wiki cause you were obviously quoting from it.

I was quoting comments from this page. The ones that show that I agreed with what you said.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You lost me on the Peyton Manning point

Have to agree with R.J on this one: A guy failing to win a team sport title does not mean he isn’t clutch.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 18, 2008 1:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm going into the razor blade business

Everybody who’s in panic mode, please post your email addresses so I know how to get a hold of you. I’m going to make a killing selling razor blades to all of you on suicide watch, pun intended.

I hope the Rays aren’t panicking like the loads of idiots on this site. Calm the hell down. It was not a colossal meltdown. Your judgement of what happened is beyond cloudy. Hopefully, you’ve read the postgame comments from Maddon and you know why he did what he did. If even one of the BP guys had performed like they normally do, nobody would be questioning Maddon right now. This is beyond ridiculous.

by rayweaver on Oct 17, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was not a colossal meltdown?

Care to tell us what would have been?

That aside, if you ignore what’s happened up till now, here are the facts moving forward: on paper the Rays should be primed to win Game 6 and advance to the WS. However, (once again, on paper) if the Rays lose tomorrow then they’re in trouble for Game 7.

by WildYams on Oct 17, 2008 5:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who's pitching for y'all in a potential Game 7?

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rays and Sox site don't have it up.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garza vs. Lester

The Red Sox ace vs. the Rays #3 pitcher would have to favor the Red Sox just like the Rays ace vs. the Red Sox #3 pitcher favors the Rays.

I’d have to think Lester’s not gonna go back to back with performances like he had in Game 3. Francona intentionally held Lester till Game 3 specifically so he’d be the pitcher if the series went 7.

by WildYams on Oct 17, 2008 5:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay thanks. I had forgotten who was set up for the game rest-wise.

It would be a good game if Garza is in the nearly no-hit mode that he seems to randomly stumble upon every coupla starts.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep. maybe he learned clutch with the twins.

I’m gonna check to see if he ever pitched in the post season for them.
=

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope.

hmm… maybe in the 06 race for the AL Central title.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 5:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are absolutely fucking ridiculous

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 18, 2008 11:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My initials are BS, but clutch ain't bullshit.

Just because you’ve never been on the good end of a TRULY clutch moment, you don’t have to deny it’s existence. And don’t point at Game 2, since that game wouldn’t have cost you the season. Or any of the regular season games either.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 9:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't say all of them did.

Same.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I need new glasses, so I might have trouble seeing this.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Results are all that matter. Do you get payed for working until 5 o'clock in the morning on a project only to have it be horrible?

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, so now we believe in luck?

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When I accused you guys of winning/leading the AL East because of good luck your way, bad luck ours.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again with the sex reference?

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You just have a dirty mind.

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by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 11:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the hell does that mean?

I keep seeing people use it on here. Is it a form of agreement, like a +1?

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...Yes

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umm, 15, remember?

Over-sexed Disney generation.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...I'll never watch Aladdin the same way again.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rub my lamp.

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by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Congrats. I just blew your mind.

Now think about the other movies.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...

I said we were lucky record wise. We were. However you were banned for calling people bandwagoners in your first comment.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 17, 2008 11:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At that point I hadn't given thought to how much time it takes to be a member of these kind of blogs.

A lot of Rays, Red Sox, MFY fans are bandwagoners. If they take the time to be a long term member of these type of sites, then they obviously are hard core fans.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At that point you hadn't thought.

You are not obnoxious on BtB and we have discussed the Rays record luck on there without issue.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 17, 2008 11:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You see all the other people on here?

THEM.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO U.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I don't get crazy anywhere else...

I would logically think that the environment here is what causes my crazy.

Either that or puberty hormones/bipolar-ness.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe you'll OD one day on some bipoler rage?

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Results are only good on one case

Jason Bay vs. Manny. It doesn’t matter how better Manny is, things like OPS, VORP, EqA and WARP ain’t got shit on Bay.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 18, 2008 1:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't confuse a "clutch" moment with

saying that there are certain players that are naturally pre-disposed to being “clutch”. And then say that this sort of thing can be taught. Kirk Gibson had a clutch moment, Dan Johnson had a clutch moment, would I rather have Dan Johnson or Evan Longoria at the plate.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 18, 2008 11:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maddon's Mistakes and Non-mistakes

Things Maddon did that he got criticized at some point that were the correct move:
1. Pitching Kaz
2. Putting in Balfour and yankign Kaz

Maddon’s Mistakes
1. Overplaying Gross
2. Underplaying Aybar
3. Leaving Balfour in to face Ortiz
4. Not using Bradford when the HR is the only way we lose
5. Pitching Wheeler for so long when the HR is the only way we lose
6. Not using Price to face any of the lefties
7. Basically the gist of it is that he screwed up the bullpen. We had a huge lead, the best plan would be to send in a bunch of relievers to face the correct guys. No need to leave guys in for so long. Price should have pitched against some of those lefties. Bradford should have pitched when the HR could have killed us. Etc.

by matthan on Oct 17, 2008 5:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i wholehartedly agree but we need to stop dwelling on this.

by walkoffwalk on Oct 17, 2008 5:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm... interesting.

I don’t think that Tito is that mean. I think he really wants Beckett to get his testosterone flowing. If it was in Game 7, he would have less pressure.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 6:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we will destroy anyone who takes the mound for the enemy tomorrow night

but having lester pitch game 6 would be dumb.

right now the rays have the advantage on the mound in game 6 but the sox have it in game 7. if lester pitches game 6 then the game 6 matchup is tied, but the rays have it in game 7. the thing is the red sox can ride the wave of game 5 in game 6. if they pitch lester they are shooting all their bullets in game 6, saving nothing for game 7.

by matthan on Oct 17, 2008 6:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like how you are considering Beckett a lesser pitcher based off of two starts.

He will overcome any injury because he will too focused on the game to care. Look at Schill’s game 6 start in 2004 ALCS:
7IP 4H 1ER 1R 0BB 4K 1HR
The lone run (Bernie Williams’s HR) was in the 7th inning, and it was what took Schill out of the game. Both Beckett and Schill were/are injured going into the game (although I think Schill’s might have been a bit more serious – surgery), and both games were/are in the opposing team’s house. Both games were/are absolute-must-wins. The only thing Beckett could do to make the games seem more similar without dominating is saying “I’m not sure I can think of any scenario more enjoyable than making 55,00040,00035,041 people from New York shut up.”
And yes, I meant New York. This area is like a Witness Relocation Program favorite, with all the transplants.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

I’ve been on here for months.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I'm just saying.

History repeats itself.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So...

Beckett will get bombed again (game 2) and Shields will be brilliant (game1)?

by steve-o1285 on Oct 17, 2008 10:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or Beckett will be awesome again.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/beckejo02.shtml
Postseason Pitching, everything before this year.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is your fault.

Not his.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2008 postseason for Beckett:

9.1 IP, 18 H, 12 ER, 5 W, 5 HR

Guess he’s not clutch anymore?

by steve-o1285 on Oct 17, 2008 10:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Injury + non-season-threatening games.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're twisting this. Clutch unlocks levels of performance.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Schilling had a bloody sock

He didn’t teach Beckett to pitch hurt? That’s not clutch!!!!

by steve-o1285 on Oct 17, 2008 10:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sarcasm will get you nowhere.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TWSS.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not if you wait till marriage.

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by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 10:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah. I know.

Just a sophomoric joke.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brad Penny says fuck your history.

He pitched hurt and was absolutely awful.

Now please spare me some cliche crap about how Penny’s not a gamer.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WTF does Brad Penny have to do with anything?

I know that he was on Marlins, but he wasn’t the main reason they won. Beckett and a lot of other future all-stars were.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In 2003, Penny collected the win in Florida's NLCS clinching victory over the Chicago Cubs and in the World Series against the New York Yankees he went 2-0 with a 2.19 ERA in his two starts.

OMGZ! He was super clutch! Not just Beckett. He learned it just in the 2003 playoffs.

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by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 10:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean the one where he's sitting at home?

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not necessarily.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, all arguements direct here. My points:

1. Clutch exists.
2. A player is or isn’t clutch.
3. You cannot be born clutch, it must be learned.
4. Just because you are clutch does not mean you will automatically win every game. Your teammates must put you in a spot to perform.
5. A player can be unclutch in a situation that he was previously clutch because of being outplayed. Will+skill overcomes clutch.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So basically what you are saying is.

Clutch is completely unpredictable and can be gotten rid of. Thanks for making our point for us.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK

“5. A player can be unclutch in a situation that he was previously clutch because of being outplayed.”

So WTF is clutch?

by steve-o1285 on Oct 17, 2008 11:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which also exists.

Fairy dust

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Paris Hilton is smarter than you.

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by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 11:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most inanimate objects are.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In her sex tape....She did play like a champ.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

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by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 11:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the cell?

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Define smarter.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

....The need to answer this question makes my brain furious.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go ahead.

Knowing more things, including the trivial?
Being able to use logic better?
What?

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A combination of all three.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And knowing clutch is nothing of importance.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

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by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never said it was.

Denying it’s existence is though.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So clutch is like Midi-chlorians

in Star Wars?

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by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 11:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your nerd level:

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dammit.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/Javelin09/Nerds.jpg

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I mentioned two.

Counting is not among the trivial knowledges.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a proclivity

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See below.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm a determined son of a bitch.

Although, you may remember why I was arguing this hard last time.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know. I'm determined to teach y'all that clutch exists.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See above.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umm, why?

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Slow thread.

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Oct 17, 2008 11:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not for me.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again, I need new glasses. I couldn't see your point from a foot away.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 10:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GO RAYS!

Hello from Athleticsnation!

You’ve got a whole lot of A’s fans cheering you on, too.

Winning at home is thrilling, and I hope it is a very joyous Saturday night in your Bay area.

"And sometimes, when it seems like all hope is gone, Life tosses you a special gift of a baseball game" . 7/10/08 BaseBallGirl headline

by LongTimeFan on Oct 17, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks LTF

Who is BLB going to swindle next?

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 18, 2008 12:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My name is James Shields.

I won one game in the playoffs against the, friggin, WHITE SOX and am now “Big Game Shields”.

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Oct 17, 2008 11:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate that nickname too.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Besides ESPN.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ESPN is stupid.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Oct 17, 2008 11:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, and?

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TBS*

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 17, 2008 11:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll use your form:

This.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WAY too early. Wait till he MAY get his WS start.

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Oct 17, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His nickname is Shieldsy, but that is not as sexy as Big Game

fuck tv

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 18, 2008 12:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For shame, for shame...

RJ, it isn’t rocket science. Coming into the game:

J. Bay v. Dan Wheeler, 2-20
J. Drew v. Dan Wheeler, 1-10

Unfortunately, those two BB’d and HR’d. Next two fellows made out. Then BJ committed the original sin of playing too shallow late in the game with a one run lead and a ball went over his head for an extra base hit. BJ plays where he should play and it’s deep but harmless flyball and inning over, with Cereal Boy leading off the 9th. The Cereal Boy single following the original sin, well, as I said on RaysBB, call it sin and recompense.

Lastly, glad to see that your one devotee thinks me a troll.

by ReggieSmith on Oct 18, 2008 12:21 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lastly, glad to see that your one devotee thinks me a troll.

No clue what you’re talking about there, but first a boycott now this? I don’t know who the fuck you are and I don’t really care.

Using pitcher/batter matchups as meaningful information is false. 20 and 10 at-bats, great, that tells a hell of a lot of nothing.

I like how B.J. gets blamed for doing what he always does, but whatever that lazy bastard should’ve pitched better and hit less…

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 18, 2008 12:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RJ, I’m the fellow that you had the convo with months ago about the dream of a .350 or better OBP season. We didn’t get that, but we got something better. And you must be more dense than I thought, since 1-10 tells us 1-10, and 2-20 tells us 2-20. It wasn’t otherwise BJ’s fault, as it’s Joe’s job to have the proper defensive scheme. For all of the recorded history of baseball, it’s playing the corners near the lines and the OF deep, with a one run lead late, as you don’t want the extra base hit that will allow a single to score the tying run. Kind of like war, RJ, in that most of the lessons learned are negative ones, and so some soul or souls died for no good reason and to no good purpose and so we have the after action report and subsequent evaluation for purposes of ensuring that no more have to die for no good reason and to no good purpose. The evaluation following the after action reporting is that the IFs guard the lines and the OFs play deep when you’ve a one run lead late. Almost got burned earlier in game 2, when some other soul put one over BJ’s head late. Lucky for the team, the single didn’t follow. We can leave out the gods, since not all hit at .000, and so keep giving up the double late, on the ball over the head, and sooner or later the single will follow. Maybe if you’d understand that range factor simply cannot be computed without knowing where fielder X was when the ball was hit, you’d get the point re the ball not being allowed to go over any OFs head late in the game while protecting a one run lead. Can you do the basic math? Single in front of the OF. Single in front of the OF. At worst, that’s first and third. Single scores the run. Double over the head. Single scores the run. It’s 3>2. You do recall that proposition as being true, yes? Or is that false as well? Oh, and whoever said that BJ was lazy? It wasn’t a matter of desire, but as I said, fielder positioning. And the single following was indeed the recompense, as the proper scheme would have done it’s job and turned the extra base hit into a routine out.

by ReggieSmith on Oct 18, 2008 2:33 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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