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2008 World Series Preview: Rays vs. Phillies

The Phillies have lost to every other team in our division in the World Series, so let's hope it's our turn. Much like us, they have relied on a very good bullpen, good defense, and a balanced offensive attack to get where they are. Unlike us, their rotation is top-heavy, their lineup is top-heavy, and their bullpen is top heavy.

Star-divide

My best RJ impression (I.E. I cut and pasted this from his ALCS preview): Preface: all stats are either wOBA or tRA provided by StatCorner. Defensive numbers provided by Justin. All other stats courtesy of FanGraphs and THT.

The Phillies rely on their studs to carry them. They will likely need Hamels to win both his starts for them to sniff a World Series Championship. They will need Lidge to be as good as he's been all year. They will need at least three of their key bats (Utley, Rollins, Howard, or Burrell) to have a good series.

Let's take a look at a large portion of the roster:

LHP Cole Hamels (3.88) Hamels has been great thus far in the postseason surrendering just 3 runs in 3 starts and 22 IP. He does have a penchant for the HR giving up over a homer per nine innings his entire professional career. Since he doesn’t walk many or give up many hits (lowest WHIP in the NL this year), these homers tend to be of the solo variety. He features a FB (90.4 MPH, 54.8%), CB (75.6 MPH, 13.7%), and a devastating CH (80.7, 31.7%). He has great stuff and pitches well, he’ll be very tough to beat.

 

RHP Brett Myers (4.66) The mercurial righty was terrible after moving back into the rotation to start the year (70 RA in 101 2/3 IP). After spending a month in the minors he seems to have regained his form (giving up 33 Rs in 88 1/3 to end the regular season). He’s struggled a bit in his starts in the postseason giving up 7 runs in 12 IP. The Rays would help themselves greatly by jumping on him in game 2.

 

LHP Jamie Moyer (4.85)  The ancient one had a pretty good regular season despite throwing the second slowest FB (81.2) in the game this year (behind Wakefield). He gets by on staying on the corners and letting the solid defense behind him get him outs. He’s been pummeled in the playoffs, and the Rays lineup should destroy him.

 

RHP Joe Blanton (5.01) The ultimate decent, innings-eater, Blanton has been exactly what the doctor ordered for the Phillies. Despite giving up runs, since being acquired in the regular season and in the playoffs, the Phillies offense gives him great run support. In an illustration of how bad W-L record is he has yet to lose a game since coming to Philly, and Hamels is barely over .500.

 

RHP Brad Lidge (2.47) Acquired for the OB machine that is Michael Bourn, Myers has returned to dominance this year. He strikes out over a batter an inning combining a great FB (94.3, 43.4%) SL (85.1, 56.2%) combination and mixing in the CH very, very rarely. The Phillies have yet to lose a game when going in to the ninth with the lead, and the anchor of the bullpen has been great this year.

 

RHP Ryan Madson (3.6) The reliever-turned-starter-turned-reliever has been very good out of the BP this year. Mixing in 4 pitches, FB (92.9, 57.5%), CH (80.9, 23.7%), CT (89.6%, 15.3%), and CB (77.5, 3.5%), he doesn’t get that many Ks, but he balances that out by keeping the ball in play and not giving many free passes.

 

RHP Chad Durbin (3.69) Another multi-pitch reliever that doesn’t strike many out. He does give up a few more walks but is very stingy with the long ball (.51 HR/9).

 

LHP J.C. Romero (4.27) The only decent LHP in the BP until they got Eyre, Romero has had a good year inducing a lot of GBs into the teeth of the Philly defense. Fits the mold of other BP mates in that he doesn’t give anything away and doesn’t strike many out.

 

RHP Clay Condry (4.49) Read every other BP summary. He’s like them only not as good.

 

Carlos Ruiz (.289, 1.3) The Phils love him. I don’t understand it, but they keep waiting for him to come around. Not that good with the stick or the glove, yet they keep letting him play over Coste. Neither are great.

 

Ryan Howard (.367, -2.7) The former MVP is one of the most overrated players in the game. Piles up RBIs because he has two great table setters in front of him and he can hit for power. Very susceptible to the strike-out, and he is essentially Jason Varitek against LHP. Expect him to get a heavy dose of LH relievers. Interestingly, Manuel hasn’t been splitting he and fellow lefty Utley up.

 

Chase Utley (.392, 20.5) Arguably the best all-around player in baseball, yet two other of his fellow Philly infielders have won MVPs, Utley does it all. He’s the best defensive 2B in the game right now as well as the best offensive. He is patient, hits for power, and hits for average. In case you haven’t figured it out. I’m in love with him.

 

Pedro Feliz (.319, -.9) Brought in to upgrade the weak link in the infield, he hasn’t been much of one. He doesn’t walk a whole lot or hit for power. He’ll definitel chase pitches, as his OOZ swing % is 29.97.

 

Jimmy Rollins (.351, 11.4) Isn’t showing the same power he displayed last year when he won the MVP, and this has come with a drop in average and increase in IsoD. So his OBP has remain relatively unchanged. Surprisingly, his K rate dropped (by a little) and his abysmal walk-rate doubled (from .5% to 1%). Neither of these tiny changes were enough to compensate for his huge increase in GB%. Thus explaining the drop in average and power without much of a drop in BABIP.

 

Pat Burrell (.373, -.8) Aubrey Huff’s college teammate is a great pure-hitter (he, Aubrey, and Jason Michaels all hit over .400 at Miami the same year). He’s being a little less patient this year (going OOZ 20.14% of the time with his previous career high at 15.62), but he’s having a monster season. Hits a lot of FB and LD (65.1% of the time) that result in a lot of power (.257 IsoP) . He’s still walking in 16% of his PAs, so he is still very patient.

 

Shane Victorino (.362, 7.8) The Flyin’ Hawaiian is having a career year, and according to Justin Inaz’s TVL he is the Phils 4th most valuable player. A plus defender that gets on base and hits for decent power (52 XBH), Victorino has been great so far in the playoffs. He’ll go out of the zone (28.71%), so it may be wise to throw him some junk to keep the speedster off the paths (36 SBs).

 

Jayson Werth (.381, 12.1) Surprisingly, Werth ranks as the third most valuable Philly according to Justin Inaz’s TVL. A plus defender in RF, Werth also brings a good stick as well. His batted-ball data lines up with career norms, so his great season seems to be due primarily to increased playing time. Much like Burrell and Utley (to a lesser extent, though) he displays patience (IsoD of .90) and power (IsoP of .225). He and Burrell are the righties that balance the Howard-Utley lefty combination.

 

Matt Stairs (.403) and Greg Dobbs (.359) will likely platoon at DH. Stairs is a professional hitter who has always walked aand hit for power when given the chance. Dobbs has had a pretty good year off the bench, and he will likely start the games started by Kazmir and come off the bench to PH against Price or Howell.

 

Eric Bruntlett (.280, 1), So Taguchi (.276, -2.6), Geoff Jenkins (.317, 3.3), Chris Coste (.337, .7)

 

I FORGOT MY PREDICTION AND KEYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keys:

1. Beat Myers. If you beat Myers, then you don't have to beat Hamels. This of course assumes you beat Blanton and Moyer.

2. Split up the top of their lineup. Don't let the top of their lineup all come up in any inning other than the first. They have some black holes in the lineup, so if you can force them to beat you then that's huge.

3. Score early and score often. Their bullpen has been great, and their offense scores runs. We can't let down if we score 2-3 early on. We have to keep pummeling and try to get to the soft underbelly of their BP.

Prediction: Rays in 6

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Howard has a career OPS+ of 143

one of the most overrated players in the game?

by LeftRight on Oct 21, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All or nothing with him

Kaz should handle this LH hitting Phils line up

by sternfan1 on Oct 21, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whats wrong with HR's?

and please tell me who else besides Pujols?

by LeftRight on Oct 21, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing is wrong with HRs. It's just that he does well in 2/3 TC Categories.

Batter hitting 1B:
Pujols
Berkman
Adrian Gonzalez
Teixeira
Morneau
Miggy Cabrera

Arguably better hitters:
Youklis
Votto
Pena
Fielder
Derek Lee

by rglass44 on Oct 21, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and he's the same age as Pujols and Adam Dunn.

Of the listed players, the following are younger:
Pujols
Adrian Gonzalez
Teixeira
Morneau
Miggy Cabrera

Votto
Fielder

by rglass44 on Oct 21, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

last year wasn't a big season?

I think this year was a bad year for him after a terrible start and he still hit 48 HRs. He has now hit over 40 in three straight years – definately not a man to be overlooked, or who is overrated. If he wasn’t such a terrible fielder I would still only take Pujols of the guys above, even with age in the equation.

by LeftRight on Oct 21, 2008 4:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, you'd be wrong.

Who would you rather have?

Adam Dunn or Ryan Howard?

by rglass44 on Oct 21, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love Adam Dunn

but Howard has put up better numbers.

by LeftRight on Oct 21, 2008 4:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How so?

Ryan Howard has less straight 40+ HR seasons and has less career HRs. Dunn is 10 days younger and plays a more difficult defensive position.

by rglass44 on Oct 21, 2008 4:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Howard 143 OPS+

Dunn 130 OPS+. The fact that he plays outfield does make him more attractive, but I will take the extra offense.

by LeftRight on Oct 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're going in circles here.

At 24 Howard was fixing holes in his swing at AA. At 24 Dunn, Adrian Gonzalez, Cabrera, Morneau, etc. were in the bigs taking their lumps.

This year Ryan Howard ranked 13th in OPS+. Last year he was 5th.

by rglass44 on Oct 21, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just for clarification.

I don’t think Howard is a bad player. I think he’s quite good, actually. That doesn’t mean he can’t be overrated, though. He had a great year the year he won the MVP, but I still don’t think he deserved it.

I think there are two biases that make Howard overrated. He has eye-popping numbers of homers and RBIs. I value the homers highly, but he plays in a hitter friendly ballpark and doesn’t hit that many other XBH. That’s why he still hasn’t led the league in total bases the last two years. The other major bias for him is that he feels younger than he is. Because it took him so long to play everyday at the big league level, he seems younger than Miggy, Pujols, Dunn, etc. This skews our perception of his likely career path and his career rate numbers.

by rglass44 on Oct 21, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those are all valid points

but I still don’t think anyone can be overrated while hitting 40 HRs consistently. I think Adum Dunn is vastly underrated, but he too played in a hitter friendly ballpark for most of his career. Even though it took him longer to crack the big leages, he is still producing – but you are definately right about the public thinking he is younger than he is. I also think his slip this year was due to a horrid start and that he will be up at the top again next year. Either way, he is not a man the Rays should overlook.

by LeftRight on Oct 22, 2008 11:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still don’t think anyone can be overrated while hitting 40 HRs consistently.

I’d say that hitting 40 homers consistently can directly lead to being overrated. He has eye-popping stats in 2 of the TC categories. As such, he’s treated as a top 5-10 hitter in baseball by the media. I’d say he’s a bit lower, maybe 20-25, thus he is overrated.

by rglass44 on Oct 22, 2008 11:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chase Utley

Is not the best 2b on defense in the mlb. Aki is clearly better with the glove and commits less errors than Utley.

by tbraysfan on Oct 21, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

He is better on defense. Even though Chase is a far superior hitter and I’d much rather have Utley than Aki on my team.

by tbraysfan on Oct 21, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

please give us your explanation…

"When you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys - there's no better feeling than to have that done." - Matt Stairs 10/13/08

Gold... Pure Gold...

by foos05 on Oct 21, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aki has bad range.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 21, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe its the Ray's bias in me,

but i’d rather have Aki playing defense for me than Utley.

by tbraysfan on Oct 21, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It most definitely is the bias.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 21, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

although his fielding that tough hop on the grounder to end the ALCS

makes me very happy. that gets by him, i dont even want to think about it

BOHICA

by Mr. Tonight TB on Oct 21, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dobbs

I think the report on Dobbs is backwards; he never bats against lefties.

by DK on Oct 21, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting

You’re right. I had just assumed he would pair with Stairs forgetting he was also a lefty. I forgot where I read that they would do that…

Then that begs the question: will they platoon the DH? Stairs, Dobbs, and Jenkins are all lefties.

by rglass44 on Oct 21, 2008 3:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RH DH

There’s talk of making Ryan Howard the DH against lefties (Kazmir), and putting backup catcher/RH batter Chris Coste at first base. You don’t solve the lefty DH problem, but you get another RH bat in the lineup.

http://www.thegoodphight.com
WHY CAN'T US?

by WholeCamels on Oct 21, 2008 3:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

Coste is better at 1B than Howard?

by rglass44 on Oct 21, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At worst for the Phillies, it’s a wash. Howard is a terrible defensive first baseman.

http://www.thegoodphight.com
WHY CAN'T US?

by WholeCamels on Oct 21, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and that's what we love about Pena

He’s got the ability to both crush it and pick it.

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heater quote of the day

Sonnanstine has been the most consistent pitcher of the postseason. He could easily start the first game!

Posted by: D.G. | October 20, 2008 at 08:17 PM

seriously, that one start should earn him the game 1 start. he proved he is better than garza, shields and Kaz. WTF is Maddon thinking?

BOHICA

by Mr. Tonight TB on Oct 21, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is that Bill Plashke?

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tomorrow, we play in the World Series

Holy fucking asscrackers…

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know right?

http://www.thegoodphight.com
WHY CAN'T US?

by WholeCamels on Oct 21, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's to a good series, man

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 3:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rays in four

The national league is AAA.

by putupyourDUKES on Oct 21, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hamels might give us problems, and that lineup could hurt us (especially in Philly).

I say Rays in 6

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 3:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uhhhh

What part of “Hamels might give us problems” do you not get? Yeah, I know it’s the NL, but the Phillies don’t exactly suck.

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 4:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, they do suck.

Game 1 will be telling. If we hit off hamels it shows just how badly they leagues are miss matched. They have no other starters. and hamels 3 era is worth about 5 in the AL east.

by putupyourDUKES on Oct 21, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The long layoff is crucial

I think our right handed hitters will have big games i.e. Upton, Longo, Aybar, Baldelli

by atlantaray on Oct 21, 2008 6:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"and hamels 3 era is worth about 5 in the AL east"

Now this is just really, really stupid.

J.P. Howell kindly requests that you please Bach the fuck up.

by esoteric on Oct 21, 2008 7:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AL hitting is similar to NL hitting

it’s the pitching that makes the big difference. of course, DH is an issue, meaning NL pitchers should see about a half run difference in ERA going to the AL. the AL East hitting was good this year, but not spectacular. Baltimore, New York, and Boston were above average, Tampa was average, and Toronto was well below average.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 21, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Game 1 will be telling. If we hit off hamels it shows just how badly they leagues are miss matched

that’s quite the statement… because basing your opinion of one league on the performance of one pitcher in a single game is accurate…

so by that logic, say we go out in game one and hang a nice 10 spot on Kazmir. can i then say that your entire league must be putrid?

"When you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys - there's no better feeling than to have that done." - Matt Stairs 10/13/08

Gold... Pure Gold...

by foos05 on Oct 21, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the average AL team is about five games better than the average NL team

most of it can be explained by payroll differences, btw.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 21, 2008 8:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the average AL team is about five games better than the average NL team

So, that makes us 10 games better over 162 games. In other words, both teams would be expected to win 4 games in 7 against a neutrel team. In other words, anything can happen.

by rglass44 on Oct 21, 2008 9:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DONT BE FUCKING DUMB

where else can jamie moyer still pitch? Remember when he couldn’t hack it in the AL west?

THE AL WEST! The weakest division in the AL.

by putupyourDUKES on Oct 21, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This I can agree with

Moyer vs. (most likely) Garza is probably a win for us, especially in Philly.

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hamels had three starts v AL

BOS, LAA and TEX

He beat BOS and pitched well, not so v LAA and TEX

by sternfan1 on Oct 21, 2008 5:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can’t stand this perception that CBP is such a “bandbox”… why can’t people look up stastics… the park plays almost neutral… the Phils have almost the exact same number of HRs on the road vs. home… the Phils also gave up almost the exact same number of HRs on the road vs. home…

all we hear about is whining that the park is small, blah blah blah homeruns… this is all we heard from the dodgers. they neglected to mention that chavez ravine has very similar dimensions… also, they had the same opportunity to hit in CBP as we did… it’s not as if the fences move back for the top of the inning

"When you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys - there's no better feeling than to have that done." - Matt Stairs 10/13/08

Gold... Pure Gold...

by foos05 on Oct 21, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's 11th in terms of parks and runs scored.

So yeah, it’s not the launching pad people make it out to be.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 21, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

very good sir… it is 11th this year… and if memory serves me, it was 12th or 13th last year

"When you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys - there's no better feeling than to have that done." - Matt Stairs 10/13/08

Gold... Pure Gold...

by foos05 on Oct 21, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's fairly neutral overall, but does increase homeruns

people also think chavez ravine is still a pitchers’ park, when it’s pretty neutral.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 21, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do not sell the Phillies short

merely because they play in the NL. Anything can happen in a short series. You’re setting yourself up for massive dissapointment.

by Omerta on Oct 21, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, i think people overestimate how often the better team wins the World Series

even the Nationals would beat the Rays in a seven games series 30% of the time

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 21, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rocco

Percival is still under contract next year, unfortunately, so they CAN bring him back. Rocco is the only free agent on the playoff roster. The Rays have the choice on whether they want to keep everyone else on the roster, even though obviously a few people will have to go. Hinske is a free agent too.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Oct 21, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Percival will probably be back

barring a “salary dump” kind of trade. Which might be a good idea. I mean, the Mets did take Stokes, who’s significantly worse than Percival, although cheaper.

I’m betting the guy not coming back is Rocco, since he is an FA.

Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?

by Blicks on Oct 21, 2008 8:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

About all the getting-rid-of-Baldelli talk:

How often did he sit out because of the mitochondrial exhaustion thing? Is he taking medication for it, or is he training/playing through it?

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 21, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Percy's trade value probably isn't very high right now

the Rays might need to hope for a month of a low ERA in 2009 before flipping him to another team.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 21, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not quite.

Your reasons are performance and potentially cost based. Rocco’s hit for enough power to warrant a roster spot, but I just don’t think it’s too smart to enter next year with him being relied upon.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 21, 2008 9:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope, same reasons.

I really don’t want Timlin in unless we have a double digit lead, or Who-lio playing SS or batting unless everyone else is physically incapable.

And doesn’t “don’t think it’s too smart to enter next year with him being relied upon” effectively mean he’s not the guy I want playing for us, cause he’s not as good as his replacement could be?

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 21, 2008 9:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, he's as good

He’s just not a viable everyday solution, and this team needs the roster flexibility.

by rglass44 on Oct 21, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True.

Y’all don’t have many holes. And I doubt that Theo would trade in the division. Still have idiots wanting to trade Upton, though.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 21, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, but they are in my school.

Thankfully I have only one class with them now, cause I got a schedule change (teachers quitting :/ ). Quite a few knowledgeable fans overall though.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 21, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'll take ellsbury

he’s got a higher ceiling than Nando, right?

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 21, 2008 9:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looking briefly at their minor league numbers...

they look pretty comparable, except that Ellsbury is a year younger. defensively my assumption is that they’re similar, too.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 21, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you want a different Rocco-like guy without the injury issues?

or a different approach. (ignoring the Ethier option, of course)

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 21, 2008 9:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Rocco's power.

Ideally we could get a guy with slightly better approach and better defensive skills with similar power.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 21, 2008 9:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

endy chavez or joey gathright?

i kid, i kid. but seriously, any ideas? how about as part of a DH platoon if RF is filled by an Etheir/Bay type?

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 21, 2008 9:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please post it, if you can.

I want to hear this.

Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?

by Blicks on Oct 21, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kaz and Garza win this series

Price closes out the big LH hitters

by sternfan1 on Oct 21, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awww

Shawn Riggans probably won’t be included on the World Series roster as he continues his recovery from knee surgery.
Riggans was hoping to make it back, but it doesn’t appear that he’s far enough along. Dioner Navarro has caught every inning of every postseason game so far.

Matt Garza is in the middle of having his 3rd testicle descend. He will be ready in time to win tonight though.

by joeybw on Oct 21, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

his knee looked fine to me when he jumped onto the pile

the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice

by RaysOfHope on Oct 22, 2008 12:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not really related but..

If anyone is still looking for game 1 tickets I would head over to ticketmaster right now. Very goods seats are available.

by Devil Ray on Oct 21, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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by TheUltimateBucFan on Oct 21, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel informed.

Let’s hope that the catwalks aren’t the MVP. That would bring about an end to Tropicana Field by the Phillies’ fans faster than Bud Selig can say “tax-funded-stadium”.

Oh, and I know that the Tampa Tribune sucks, but WTF was up with all the hating today? They even had a story on the front page above the title by a non-sports writer, bashing both the Sox’ and Phillies’ fans. And then the Ruth guy ( the one with the sad/gay picture) goes against the cowbell while asking for more of it. And there was an article about Phillies’ fans “unanimously” wanting the Rays over the Sox. They mentioned a poll, like 3-4 times, that showed only 60% voted Rays. BAD MEDIA!!!! Is the St. Pete Times any better?

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 21, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Let’s hope that the catwalks aren’t the MVP."

People really do overplay that. A ball hit off the roof in Milwaukee this post-season, nobody seemed to make a deal about it.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 21, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They aren't in the World Series.

And it takes a huge effort to hit a ball off of their roof. The Trop is sloped down to the outfield, which makes it easier to hit a catwalk. If the roof was turned around, the problem would be much less. Although then you have less seating behind the plate, but… aw, the attendance joke ain’t worth it. It’s not built for baseball, that’s all I meant.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 21, 2008 9:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Attendance jokes from Red Sox fans?

You mean the same Red Sox who drew less than 30k during the 80’s despite a pennant in 1986 and capacity being around 33k? Nah, not those Red Sox.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 21, 2008 9:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, look:

Last year: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance?sort=home_avg&year=2007&seasonType=2
06: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance?sort=home_avg&year=2006&seasonType=2
05: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance?sort=home_avg&year=2005&seasonType=2

I could go on, but you can keep clicking through. Fenway is the best cause of it’s qwirks, not because it’s designed perfect. I thought baseball wasn’t played in history books. And the best fans are either soccer fans or college football fans.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 21, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was showing those to prove your stat wrong.

I don’t think y’all ever broke 18,000 avg. unless it was in 98 or 99. And we’ll still fill up Fenway next year. We did it 06 and 07, years after a non-WS-winning year.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 21, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For one, I said 80's

Check your #s here:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/attend.shtml

Next: no we haven’t broke 19k often, but that’s a thing of the past.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 21, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umm, look at the ranks.

Apparently, not a whole lot of people going to baseball games. Me included, SINCE I WASN’T BORN YET. It’s not my fault that we couldn’t pack in people.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 21, 2008 9:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"9th, 8th, ect."

It’s not your fault, yet it’s our fault that more people don’t go? That makes sense.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 21, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

then ur a damn smart 9 year old

the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice

by RaysOfHope on Oct 21, 2008 9:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

speaking of 9 year olds...

i went to the mall of america in MN today wearing my rays hat and some kid comes up to me in a store and goes ru a rays fan? and i go ya, and he goes im ugh im a boston fan. been waiting for a while for any boston fan to be sad to hear that my rays are better than them lol

the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice

by RaysOfHope on Oct 21, 2008 9:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but they aren't.

So when the Rays draw 22k it looks awful, in reality it’s around 60%.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 21, 2008 9:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And again...

The Sox had eight times the history and didn’t play in a preconceived awful park.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 21, 2008 9:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And again:
They don’t play the games in a history book.

Present a better ballpark plan then!

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 21, 2008 9:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That article was spot on!

Sent it to a bunch of red sox and phillies fans.

They got a kick out of it,

by plasticman on Oct 21, 2008 11:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ESPN analysts are mostly going against us

just like they did all year.

I like it that way.

by mittens on Oct 21, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Figures

They’re mad because the Sox lost

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 9:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

me too

hated them even more this morning on first take when they asked about why should anyone care about this WS.

the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice

by RaysOfHope on Oct 21, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's their reasoning

OH NOES THER R NO BIG MARKUT TEEMS THIS SUXX0RZ!!!!!

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 9:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they were saying all sorts of BS

like oh theres no vilian team and no team to really root against, um dipshits (some people on espn) how about you give the dream season some respect and realize that they beat the crap out of your boston team

the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice

by RaysOfHope on Oct 21, 2008 9:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also, my stats professor was wearing a phillies jersey today

I was wearing a TB hat and I stared him down.

I hope my grade doesnt suffer.

by mittens on Oct 21, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One of my professors is a Red Sox fan

I hope I didn’t just fail.

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 9:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and he knows your a rays fan?

get ready to just fail real hard if the rays win the series

the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice

by RaysOfHope on Oct 21, 2008 9:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's okay

I just e-mailed him telling him I won’t be in the rest of the week because I’m going to Game 2.

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 9:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.....

…boned…

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 10:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He meant the guys on TV

Most of them are taking the Phils

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 9:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh.

I wouldn’t know. I watch with it muted most of the time, paying attention only to the bottom line or actual highlights.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 21, 2008 9:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here we go

Kruk = Homer
Gammons = Bitter
Phillips = Stupid

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 22, 2008 1:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kurk actually...

…picked the Dodgers to beat the Phils in the NLCS.

Just sayin’.

by Chase Mutley on Oct 22, 2008 1:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright, I'm gone.

Yes, it is my bedtime. Start the jokes/laughing. I’ll continue these arguments tomorrow if I can and haven’t been banned for a fifth time.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 21, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lololol

Night, dude

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 9:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so guys whats this BS about hinske possibily replacing gabe gross?

even if they do that then nando should be the RF

the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice

by RaysOfHope on Oct 21, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hoping that this is a lie

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Oct 21, 2008 9:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its says it under the players new part of this blog

also so is percy going to be on the ws roster as well? i would rather have him right now then wheeler

the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice

by RaysOfHope on Oct 21, 2008 9:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

book? you know of those? that’s surprising… yes, the national league is garbage because we play baseball the way it was meant to be played… ya know, by making all the players play both halves of the inning

"When you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys - there's no better feeling than to have that done." - Matt Stairs 10/13/08

Gold... Pure Gold...

by foos05 on Oct 22, 2008 8:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please not this.

This may be the dumbest argument in sports.

by rglass44 on Oct 22, 2008 10:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, this is the dumbest arguement is sports

Just a friendly reminder that the National League is full of garbage and is generally worthless.
Go look it up, it’s in a book.

"When you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys - there's no better feeling than to have that done." - Matt Stairs 10/13/08

Gold... Pure Gold...

by foos05 on Oct 23, 2008 8:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Top-heavy"

So, in effect, the Phillies are Mariah Carey.

Vindication!

by Taylor H on Oct 21, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i really don't like John Kruk

he’s a flat out idiot..I just heard him on SportsCenter say the Phillies have a better overall pitching staff, bullpen, and offense. Give me a break Kruk. Can we get someone a little less biased ESPN.

by tbmd on Oct 22, 2008 1:19 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Rangers might have something to say about this.

And the BoSox.
And the Cubs.
Possibly Minnesota
And perhaps Detroit

And if I went exclusively on number of runs scored, you could tack on another I think 4 teams.

by kericr on Oct 22, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But we have never played in the WS!

What chance do we have?!

Matt Garza is in the middle of having his 3rd testicle descend. He will be ready in time to win tonight though.

by joeybw on Oct 22, 2008 10:22 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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