What to Do With Rocco?
This came up in the GDT last night, and it's a valid question. Apparently he's unable to play in consecutive games and even nine innings takes a pretty big toll to his body, including shaking and burning legs. A free agent at the end of the season, Baldelli will be entering the normal statistical prime, yet there's no way of knowing whether Baldelli's medical condition will leave his playing time decreasing even more as time advances.
Purely from a baseball perspective there's almost no way the Rays should bring Baldelli back as a player. Free talent can replicate his power and defense while being available to play back-to-back days. However I would imagine the Rays would be all for Baldelli returning as a consultant or advisor. Rocco retiring would probably feel like his worst decision while really being one of his best. At this point he simply needs to ensure his long-term health is as good as it can possibly be, even if that means he has to stop playing baseball.
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Rocco would be a great coach
Keep Rocco in the Rays organization, and in St. Pete. Travelling around in the minors is not going to help him stay well.
by billso on
Oct 24, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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is there any possibility that his medical condition is ever cured?
i would give him a bench coach job, keep him with the players.
i wasnt in the gdt last night since my computer is too messed up when we reach 400+ comments but i was thinking about this as well that this might be rocco’s last series he ever plays
the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice
by RaysOfHope on
Oct 24, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
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Re-sign him at what price?
that’s the key
If someone blows him away with anoffer, let him go
by sternfan1 on
Oct 24, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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i cant see him getting a major league contract this offseason
if he doesnt call it quits, i think the most he is going to get from any team is a minor league spring training deal and add him if they think he is healthy enough to play.
the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice
by RaysOfHope on
Oct 24, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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I would like to see a 1 year incentive riden deal
But I don’t know, I think it would be smarter to trade for a everyday RF and have Nando back him up. I suppose we can do that and give Rocco a chance at DH
Matt Garza is in the middle of having his 3rd testicle descend. He will be ready in time to win tonight though.
by joeybw on
Oct 24, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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how about a minor-league deal with an invite to spring training?
and if his condition doesnt seem like it is improving then offer him a coaching job
the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice
by RaysOfHope on
Oct 24, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
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sounds good
but I don’t think he will take it, some team will give us a chance, if not us
Matt Garza is in the middle of having his 3rd testicle descend. He will be ready in time to win tonight though.
by joeybw on
Oct 24, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
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him a chance i mean
Matt Garza is in the middle of having his 3rd testicle descend. He will be ready in time to win tonight though.
by joeybw on
Oct 24, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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is there any way his midochondrial disease just goes away with time?
or is he stuck with this the rest of his life?
the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice
by RaysOfHope on
Oct 24, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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I think I heard it last forever
I hope I heard wrong, though.
Matt Garza is in the middle of having his 3rd testicle descend. He will be ready in time to win tonight though.
by joeybw on
Oct 24, 2008 2:18 PM EDT
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if thats true then that really sucks
i feel so bad for rocco, and he has earned total respect from me and probably all of you guys for how he is just gutting it out the last couple of months
the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice
by RaysOfHope on
Oct 24, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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I know he can't play the field everyday but
He has shown all his tools, hes only 26 and I really think he should be given a Pena type chance, that one worked out.
Matt Garza is in the middle of having his 3rd testicle descend. He will be ready in time to win tonight though.
by joeybw on
Oct 24, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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just like you said earlier give him a incentive laden deal
rocco cant play everyday but he has proven that he can still play every once in a while with success, so it is all up to him i think if he feels like he wants to go on like this or retire.
the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice
by RaysOfHope on
Oct 24, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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the whole rocco situation is really sad
growing up when i first started rooting for this team, rocco was my favorite player of the rays and all that he has gone through really is a shame since he had such a bright future.
the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice
by RaysOfHope on
Oct 24, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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Rocco will always be my favorite player.
Bad Boy Rocco Roc.
:( I love you Rocco.
Let’s give him his World Series title, and he should retire then be an advisor or something
by Sylar on
Oct 24, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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it was awesome yesterday when he barreled over ruiz even though the ball didnt get knocked out
the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice
by RaysOfHope on
Oct 24, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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yep
no one has more heart than that man.
He knows that was a terrible thing for his health but he cares so much about the team and I love that.
Matt Garza is in the middle of having his 3rd testicle descend. He will be ready in time to win tonight though.
by joeybw on
Oct 24, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
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im really surprised that they let him play all 9 innings last night though
i didnt know about his legs started shaking in the 5th or 6th inning until last night when joe buck mentioned it and how he has learned how to hit while his legs shake, i think that they just let him play all 9 out of respect for him that they have. man i really wish that he could play tomorrow vs moyer, maybe as a PH though
the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice
by RaysOfHope on
Oct 24, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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Dump Baldelli
Rocco Baldelli, laid it all on the line last night. He barrels over the Phillies catcher. He hustles out a grounder to avoid a double play. He hustles and makes a great catch that Gross would still be chasing and doubles Werth off of first with an outstanding throw. Now you bring up should we DUMP HIM. Give me a break!!!
by CharlieRay on
Oct 24, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
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I stood in line 4 hours to get Rocco's autograph.
He is my all time favorite player and deserves to have the choice of whether or not he wants to sign.
If I were the Rays, I would ask Rocco what he wants and go with that. If he wants to call it quits and coach, they should make it happen. If he wants to keep playing, they should give him a shot. I don’t think Rocco would want to leave the Rays.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on
Oct 24, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
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Why isn't Mike Alstott the Bucs starting running back again?
by kericr on
Oct 24, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
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Because he has another person's bone in his neck.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on
Oct 24, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
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It is a business.
Unfortunately there’s not room on the roster to keep players for sentimental reasons. If his condition worsens there’s no justification to keep him as a player.
I do, however think Rocco is a very solid contributor off the bench in his current state. If he accepts a reasonable contract I’d love nothing more than to have him continue his career as a Ray.
Another scenario would be for the Rays to win the World Series and Rocco to be content with that and retire. Then have him get a job within the organization as a coach or scout.
However the Rocco Baldelli story ultimately ends, I hope it’s with the Rays.
by floridaroar on
Oct 24, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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come back
To R.J. Anderson. I don’t know you and you don’t know me. I have been a fan of baseball for many years and a Rays fan from 98. Also a season ticket holder for 4 years and I can tell just who the band wagon fans are. Now with that said I invite all of you to get on the band wagon and to come back next year because we need you.
by CharlieRay on
Oct 24, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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I didn't call you a bandwagoner.
But if the only reason you want him back is one game (and the most recent at that) I really question your judgment.
by R.J. Anderson on
Oct 24, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
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You're seriously calling R.J. a bandwagon fan?
For reals?
J.P. Howell kindly requests that you please Bach the fuck up.
by esoteric on
Oct 24, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
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"I can tell just who the band wagon fans are"
Please name them.
by RATW on
Oct 24, 2008 4:52 PM EDT
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Make him
Assistant to the traveling Secretary.
If Costanza can do it, surely Rocco can keep pace. Plus he might need to take a nap under his desk from all the tired.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on
Oct 24, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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Rocco Baldelli could be
Next season’s Brian Anderson?
by staplemaniac on
Oct 24, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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Brian Anderson was good?
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on
Oct 24, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
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He was an injury-prone guy whocould have contributed
He was in Spring Training, but he got hurt, and they made him a coach of some sort. I think we could do the same thing with Rocco. Bring him in, give him a chance, and if he gets hurt make him part of the staff.
by staplemaniac on
Oct 24, 2008 5:24 PM EDT
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Give him a minor league deal
Rocco’s return is one of the greatest stories you will ever here. Very little is known about his disorder. Think about how long it took the best doctors money can buy to even diagnose him. After Spring Training, I (and just about everyone else) thought Rocco would never play again. I am very happy to say that he proved me wrong. Who is to say he wont continue to prove us wrong and come back even stronger next year? Breakthroughs in medicine happen everyday, and the human body is capable of doing amazing things. It would break my heart to see Rocco get healthy and come back with another team. At the least, he should be offered a minor league contract with lots of incentives if he can make the team.
by Devil Ray on
Oct 24, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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AJ
My judgment is not for one game. If we can keep a DH that only hits from one side with bad ankles and knees and only invested 1 year into him we should be able to find a place for one of the best outfielders in the game (maybe I embellished a little) Rocco can still out hit , run, field better than most at this point. We have invested a lot of time and money and he has responded and contributed. I think that I am not as shortsighted as you, but I respect your thoughts. NOT THE TIME TO TALK DUMP
by CharlieRay on
Oct 24, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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I've been called a ton of things, but AJ and shortsighted are new.
by R.J. Anderson on
Oct 24, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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I guess I just don't see how
with his disorder he can be a major contributor.
Without going to the statistics, it doesn’t seem like Rocco can still run or field better than most, and he really only hits well against left-handed pitching (which has always been the case). I think it’s a tough case not to offer him a minor league deal to return, but the best decision for all parties involved would probably be for him to retire. Unless I have a great misunderstanding of mitochondrial disorders, the more he overstrains and the more he lives off of a cocktail of drugs in order to keep enough energy up, the shorter his life expectancy will be.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Oct 24, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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he wasnt talking dumping him
do you even understand rocco’s situation? he really can only play a couple of times a week and even that is a big time risk for rocco as he gets tired in the 6th inning and he might retire after this series if he doesnt feel like he cant go on this for next season and beyond.
the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice
by RaysOfHope on
Oct 24, 2008 9:34 PM EDT
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Rocco will not be retiring
He has been quoted saying that he still thinks he can play, and from what I’ve seen he is 100% correct.
After seeing how much he has contributed in his limited role this season, you guys are retarded for questioning whether or not we should re-sign him. His disease is not progressive. I’m hoping that he will be able to increase his playing time next year.
by djmarco on
Oct 26, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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Low base, high incentive.
I would do a low base, high incentive contract with a perpetual mutual low-base option (either Rocco or the Rays can choose to decline it) reminiscent to Tim Wakefield’s contract, just a lower base salary and the option mutual.
One of my favorite players in the game, hands down.
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
by Blicks on
Oct 24, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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I'd let Rocco decide if he wants to keep playing or not.
If he does, give him a low base + high incentive deal like a lot of people have already said. If not, offer him a coaching/advisor job.
by rays1234 on
Oct 24, 2008 4:50 PM EDT
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Sign him to an
Incentive laden deal based on the number of ABs or a minor league deal. I think he’s done enough to prove that he can become a serviceable pinch hitter/RF/DH against LHP. Let him compete for a roster spot in spring training, if he doesn’t make the team offer him a spot in the FO.
by atlantaray on
Oct 24, 2008 6:03 PM EDT
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If he can be healthy enough to replicate how he's used this year
Then he’s worth a small incentive contract—how many teams can have a player with that type of talent on the bench…if he can fill a part-time OF/DH role, then he can have a productive role on the bench. The key is, if his body can take this type of a role for a 162 game season. That’s the essential question. If it can’t, then the Rays are doing the rest of the players a complete disservice and not looking out for their best interests in putting together a major league team that can compete. That spot would be better off going to someone that is less of a risk. I hope no matter what, that Rocco is with the Rays next year, regardless of the role. For his sake, I hope he is healthy enough to play.
by raysfaninminnesota on
Oct 24, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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If he's good enough to make a World Series roster
I think someone will offer him a contract. Us? Don’t know, but someone will.
http://www.raysprospects.com/
by DAM on
Oct 24, 2008 7:19 PM EDT
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RJ not AJ
Sorry RJ for the slip of AJ. As I said I don’t know you and shortsighted was my reaction to you and I’m sorry if it offended you. The main thing is we both are on the same side and Go Rays
by CharlieRay on
Oct 24, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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Next Year For Rocco
New to the board-long time Rays fan. There is room for 1 DH who rarely plays the field. It’s him or Floyd. I say give Rocco a league minimum and turn full-time DHing over to him. Remember he already has the $4million buyout for next year.
by pauld on
Oct 24, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
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rocco cant play everyday, not even DH
his body just cant take it
the red sox had a 9 game elimination win streak, but matt garza was too busy rocking out to tupac to notice
by RaysOfHope on
Oct 24, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
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I guess he won't be hurting for money either way?
Hopefully he has health insurance through MLB as he has the years in.
If he wants to stay in baseball long-term imo he should get into the coaching side in the minors, if he wants to play a couple of more seasons then an incentive laden contract, it’s up to him.
Much as he loves baseball, in his shoes I would get into coaching, could stay in the game another 20 years that way.
by Gator80 on
Oct 24, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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How about this
a Rocco vs L, Nando/Gross vs R platoon and we sign Ibanez for DH
tossing that idea out there, i can see it happening.
Matt Garza is in the middle of having his 3rd testicle descend. He will be ready in time to win tonight though.
by joeybw on
Oct 24, 2008 10:25 PM EDT
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CC, Upton, Rocco, Ibanez, Gross and Nando is 6 OF's
Either Gross would be traded or Rocco just wont be resigned. Nando will be there to PR, play defense and get some random starts.
Matt Garza is in the middle of having his 3rd testicle descend. He will be ready in time to win tonight though.
by joeybw on
Oct 24, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
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Why Can't Rocco Play Everyday at DH
At Mongomery in his rehab: 7/16-DH, 7/17-PH, 7/18-DH, 7/19-Off, 7/20-DH, 7/21-No Game, 7/22-DH, 7/23-RF, 7/24-DH, 7/25-DH, 7/26-RF, 7/27-No Game, 7/28-PH, 7/29-DH, 7/30-DH, 7/31-Off & 8/1-RF. I believe he can play more often if he is primarily a DH.
by pauld on
Oct 24, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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By making him solely a DH
you lose a lot of his value. He is a tremendous athlete; few could have made that play when he doubled up Werth. The throw was amazing by itself.
If he can play in 75 games next year, he’ll be a great investment for the Rays.
by djmarco on
Oct 27, 2008 3:30 AM EDT
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DH
Floyd almost never plays against lefties. Rocco hits lefties quite well. This seems like a good fit if Rocco wants to return. Additionally, Rocco can play the outfield on days when the regular outfielders need a day off.
by MetsRaysFan on
Oct 25, 2008 9:50 AM EDT
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A DH Platoon is not ideal.
I’d rather have one DH who can hit both righties and lefties.
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Oct 25, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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