Leo Nunez for Mike Jacobs
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 30, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
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Wow, questionable for the Royals.
So, Billy Butler anyone?
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Edwin for Butler please.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 30, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn, how many 1B does a team need?
That’s like, half their roster are first-basemen now.
by kericr on Oct 30, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if Butler can play the field at all its at 1B
If Butler is available, then PLEASE get him for DH, the Royals seem to always get fleeced in their trades.
by joeybw on Oct 30, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gload is good as gone. His numbers are atrocious for a 1B.
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by Blicks on Oct 30, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's so good about Butler? .725 OPS.
AAA numbers were better but evidence so far does not show that it will carry over to the bigs
by RaysTheRoof on Oct 30, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's really young
And can flat out rake. Those AAA numbers mean a lot when you’re 22. He’s going to be a hitting star. Can’t play defense at all.
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by Tyler on Oct 30, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomes?
Hits lefties better than righties, is slightly overweight, can’t field.
Upside for him is that he is younger and cheaper for the time being and obviously ceiling is higher.
Is it worth Edwin and Niemann? Maybe.
by RaysTheRoof on Oct 30, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously higher ceiling is the understatement of the century.
We’re talking about a kid who put up a .291/.412/.542 line at 21 in AAA. This kid walks, he doesn’t strike out, hits for average and power. He does everything well at the plate. Gomes was putting up similar numbers at 21…in high-A while striking out 173 times. Butler is going to be a star. If we traded Edwin and Niemann for him, it would be a coup and we’d have a DH for the next 5 years.
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by Tyler on Oct 30, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
This trade could work out like the White Sox trade for Carlos Quentin did. Young bat who can flat rake.
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Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Oct 30, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to the idea of Dan Johnson being a DH?
Is this a ‘not ready yet’ senario, a ‘replace Pena soon’ senario?
by kericr on Oct 30, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes please
I’d be willing to go as far as Edwin and Niemann for him.
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 30, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They can have Ruggs also
We can trade the guy we always hate to watch pitching(Edwin) and the 2 guys that will always rot in AAA for us(Niemann and Ruggiano)
Royals are dumb, it would even take more than Edwin I think
by joeybw on Oct 30, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys think that edwin,niemann will be enough for billy butler?
by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't do it if i were KC, but then again, i would want nothing to do with Mike Jacobs (who makes an out over 70% of the time).
by walkoffwalk on Oct 30, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was KC, I wouldn't do Gathright for Howell
I know, JP proved shit at that point but he was a SP with a high ceiling and Gathright has always had 1 tool, his speed.
Sorry, speed doesn’t do much if you can’t hit
by joeybw on Oct 30, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make it sound like they didn't get a new GM
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Oct 30, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moore isn't exactly proving himself as wise.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 30, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This move has apparently confirmed the Royals fans worst fears.
Judging by the Royals SBN site, the already creaky Moore bandwagon just had a breakdown.
by RATW on Oct 31, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, maybe we can get Furcal to an incentive-laden contract and play RF?
by walkoffwalk on Oct 30, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 30, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol look what this guy said on MLBtraderumors
Jacobs for a reliever(not named Soria)?
This deal is looking better and better for KC
by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
here is another good one i found on mlbtraderumors
SS – Aviles
CF – DeJesus
RF – Guillen
LF – Butler
1B – Kila
DH – Jacobs
3B – Gordon
That is 7 spots filled everyday with players who can produce. Resign Grudz or stick with Callaspo, move Teahen for a cheap bullpen arm and maybe bring in a Greg Zaun-type at catcher.
With a lineup like that, KC could be the Rays of 2009.
by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eh, I think the Reds will be the Rays of 09
But the Royals should continue to improve. Maybe they will finish .500 next year.
The pitching is very meh though, Greinke is awesome, Meche is hit or miss then the rest suck IMO
by joeybw on Oct 30, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pitching isn't that bad.
Guys like Jose Guillen, Tony Pena Jr and Gload pull that team down. They also have a couple underrated arms in the upper minors.
by RATW on Oct 30, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would sign TPJ to be a reliever. He could be a league average reliver right now.
He throws a low-90’s fastball with sick movement. A developing curve. Send him to the minors for a year and you could really have something.
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by Tyler on Oct 30, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what was his line when pitched earlier this year in that blowout game?
by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He struck out two, I think(or one, I'm not sure). It was a 1-2-3 inning.
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by Blicks on Oct 30, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1IP, 0h, 0r, 0BB, 1K
He struck out Pudge looking on a curve, also educed a weak ground ball to himself which he made a sick play on.
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by Tyler on Oct 30, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i sure hope the reds do that good in 09
but i dont know they are rumored to be interested in mark mulder god they piss me off sometimes, signing mulder would be worse than the corey patterson move of 08
by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no big deal
It’s not like he will ever be healthy enough to pitch anyways
by joeybw on Oct 30, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have so many young stars on that team that i also think that they are going to break out next year
bruce,phillips,votto and encarnion are the bigs bats and their rotation with harang,arroyo,cueto and volquez is going to be amazing next year, i just wish that homer bailey could finally figure it all next year
they are also looking at ordenez and beltre
by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where have you heard that they are looking at Magglio?
MLBtr?
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by Blicks on Oct 30, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no on redreporter
their sbnation blog
by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? He'd cost nothing and be all upside.
I watched Mulder’s like 8 pitches he threw this year before his shoulder blew up again and was shocked. He hit 93. If they can figure out how to get his shoulder healthy, they could have a solid back end starter. And again, he’ll cost nothing. He has no leverage. He’s not getting a big league deal.
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by Tyler on Oct 30, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zero risk, HIGH upside.
If Mulder can reinvent himself as a reliever, even though its unlikely, it would be great for the Reds.
Remember, this guy was one of the best pitchers in the game a few years ago.
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by Blicks on Oct 30, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think there will be a Rays of 09.
by walkoffwalk on Oct 30, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are they disbanding the franchise?
by floridaroar on Oct 30, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's saying there's not going to be a 'this year's Rays' next year.
Or, he doubts there will be a 30-game miracle turnaround story.
Undoubtedly, we will hear a lot of “Are (so-and-so) this year’s Rays?” comments in spring training next year.
by kericr on Oct 30, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They forgot to notice
That the Rays of 2008 did well because of their defense, and the lineup stated above might just be the worst defensive lineup I’ve ever seen, esp if you throw Grudz at 2B.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Oct 30, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think is going to be
im also a florida marlins fan and they are looking to move their payroll up to 40 million next year so i think maybe 1 more year of him with the marlins
also for you wondering i am also a fan of the reds and twins, have been a fan of those teams since about 2001 the 1st year i started watching baseball
by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think this is a good move for KC.
The Royals aren’t getting anywhere near acceptable power at 1B/DH. This move puts a decent power threat at 1B/DH. Jacobs is young, cost-controlled, and around for 3 more years.
If I’m the Royals, I’m DHing Jacobs, letting Kila and Shealy play 1B, and attempting to move both of Butler and Gload (who has zero value, pretty much), focusing on pitching help with the former.
With the exception of the upper elite relievers, relievers in general are expendable. Had the Royals given up good prospects, I would disagree with the deal. Bullpens can be rebuilt pretty quickly.
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by Blicks on Oct 30, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DH him. Takes care of the defense.
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by Blicks on Oct 30, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you have a DH that hits .240/.295/.550 on any given year.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Oct 30, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not unvaluble. Power matters.
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by Tyler on Oct 30, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OBP matters more
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Oct 30, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay. But if you have no one with a good OBP, you go with the guy who can hit it over the fence fairly regularly.
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by Tyler on Oct 30, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nunez could have netted something better
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Oct 30, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it. Not a big market for the middle reliever in the offseason. Generally, relievers are only valuable on the trade market
at the trading deadline.
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by Tyler on Oct 30, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think so.
Nunez has zero “closing experience”.
And, this isn’t the trade deadline.
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by Blicks on Oct 30, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they dont need him as a closer, matt lindstrom is going to be their closer in 09
kevin gregg is on the block
by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soria plz
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 30, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you don't want Hellickson or Davis in our organization
Then go ahead and pull the trigger
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by JMB on Oct 30, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't want Hellickson AND Davis in the organization, you mean.
Soria is signed WAY below market value for the next few years.
Look at the closer FA market. It will cost more than just one of Davis/Hellickson to get Soria.
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by Blicks on Oct 30, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soria for Davis or Hellickson?
I would do that deal everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. The Rays have a question mark at closer. Soria is an up and coming All-star for the Royals. If they would like Hellickson and or Davis I would do that. No problem.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on Oct 30, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do this too
not because we need the “closer” role as I like the relief ace more so. But this would give us both at a low cost. Soria to get the last three outs and Balfour to put out fires. We are deep at starting pitching so we can take this hit to the rotation.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 31, 2008 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the Marlins
this was a good move for Florida, I guess Kansas City wanted power so badly, Jacobs can sure provide that, but he sucks as a first baseman and is as bad as Hinske against left handed pitching. Being in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale market I have seen Jacobs a lot, he has excellent power, but poor OBP and pretty strikeout prone when in a funk.
by sofladude77 on Oct 30, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, the Marlins needed to do something to improve their D, so getting Jacobs out of there helps alot.
You think the Fish would deal Cantu to an AL team for a mad haul?
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by JMB on Oct 30, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
possibly but i doubt it, unless some team just overwhelms them
he would make a pretty good DH for an AL team but since they are moving their payroll up to 40 million next year i think he is staying until matt dominguez is ready
by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Closers are overrated. We got to the world series without a closer, and the reason we didn't win the world series wasn't because we didn't have a closer.
by walkoffwalk on Oct 30, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
THANK YOU.
Rec’d
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by Blicks on Oct 30, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? The reason we didn't win was because of a closer? How many times did we lose the lead in the 9th inning during this postseason?
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by Tyler on Oct 30, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the opposite of what i said.
by walkoffwalk on Oct 30, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I apparently cannot read. Carry on.
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by Tyler on Oct 30, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a lot of reasons we lost the World Series.
But the lack of a “closer” was certainly not one of them.
by floridaroar on Oct 30, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about chad cordero for closer?
when healthy he is a pretty good closer
by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about Corey Hart? seems to make more sense, as the Brewers could use starting pitching much more than KC. Dude flat out kills LHP.
by BossmanJunior333 on Oct 31, 2008 4:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like him
but how does he handle RHP? Because I would like a guy who can start everyday in RF and the platoon can be Rocco/Aybar at DH
by joeybw on Oct 31, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
263/291/454 v RHP, 281/324/473 v LHP. Had a bad second half, but still made the all star team. Fits the Rays mold well: athletic, good arm, good defense, speed, and kills lefties.
Plus he and Jackson are at the same point contractually, first year of arb. Seems like a great one for one swap.
by BossmanJunior333 on Oct 31, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like him
If we wont pay Maggs, which is likely then I like Hart a lot for RF.
by joeybw on Oct 31, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His overall season doesnt look that great, but had a great first half hitting .282/327.502 and an allstar appearance. Him and Jackson are both young and have untapped potential. Good work out being a big win for either team, or both.
by BossmanJunior333 on Oct 31, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law
Patrick (Chicago): Keith, what kind of return could Kansas City expect to get for Billy Butler?
Keith Law: The more they acquire replacements/obstacles, the less they’re going to get. If they could trade him for a couple of good-not-great prospects, that is probably their best option (well, short of just PLAYING THE GUY). Toronto would be a great fit
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 31, 2008 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trading him for good not great spects sounds nice
now we just gotta switch Toronto to Tampa and we are home free
by joeybw on Nov 1, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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