WHOOOO!!!

by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 30, 2008 4:33 PM EDT

great series folks... great series

you guys had an awesome year, and likely many more to come...

i chalk this win up to one thing: experience... all of your studs are still ascending to their primes... all of ours are in their prime...

i was at game 5 last night and it was the most electric atmosphere i've ever been apart of. i would love for us to win every year but my logic has just kicked in and tells me it isn't possible. i could only imagine how loud you guys would be in that dome of yours and now with a solid foundation of a team to actually cheer for.

side note - celebrating last night was awesome, tomorrows PARADE will be even better! but some of our phans are complete douchebags and for them, i apologize... i was NOT one of the 44+ thousand booing selig (even tho i'm not a fan of him)... why? out of respect. i expect similar reactions in any major metro area after the local team becomes a world champ... take it easy on us phans and i promise the majority of us will treat you with equal respect. thanks!

WHOOOO!!!

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"i chalk this win up to one thing: experience."

This is where you lost credibility and my attention.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 30, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions

Same

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 30, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Ditto

by kericr on Oct 30, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions

also: me

by staplemaniac on Oct 30, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions

me, too

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 30, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions

too late to throw in an "agreed"?

Blake
USF--Class of '09

by usfraysfan on Oct 30, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Never to late for a

QFT

by bullray on Oct 30, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

This

Indie.

by .Taylor on Oct 30, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Yup

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 30, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions

okay...

average age of the rays = 27.2
average age of the phils = 31.3

by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 30, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions

edit

i chalk this win up to one thing: heart… the phillies were hungrier, that and the inexperienced rays had to deal with us fans at the park last night, like i said, most electrifying atmosphere i’ve ever witnessed (until tomorrows parade)

by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 30, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions

You seem to think this is actually better than your original explanation, yet it's not.

Neither of the team’s best players have played in the World Series, so experience is absolute bullshit. Age means nothing. And the crowd? That’s even stupider, if the crowds mattered the Rays wouldn’t have won 97 games.

This website is for intelligent baseball conversation, perhaps you missed that memo.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 30, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions

riiiiightt....

so you’re saying a young team has the same likelihood of winning as a team stocked with vets?
i came on here to congratulate you guys and i get this…
looks like you guys are developing a similar fan outlook as the ‘bad’ philly phans (you know, the douchbags i spoke of when i wrote this…)

by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 30, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions

so you’re saying a young team has the same likelihood of winning as a team stocked with vets?

If they have the same talent level they do.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 30, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions

so you’re saying a young team has the same likelihood of winning as a team stocked with vets?

No, the Rays beat the Red Sox because they had more heart and glitter. Seriously.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 30, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Ironically, it's usually the surprise rookie that puts a team over the top

Just ask Dustin Pedroia (2007), Kevin Youkilis (2004), Migual Cabrera (2003), K-Rod (2002), and many many more

by GomesSweetGomes on Oct 30, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions

HEART!

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 30, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions

AND HUSTLE!

Hmm, that may be a good slogan.

by floridaroar on Oct 30, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions

As for our fan outlook, I think you're mixing "low tolerance for stupidity" with "stupidity".

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 30, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions

wait, a Phillies fan isn't being bowed down to by a Rays fans a day after the World Series? shocker

why does there have to be an underlying team quality that explains why one team beats another four out of five games? why can’t we just say that one team played better than the other and leave it at that?

players have hot and cold streaks all the time during the regular season without having their character judged (well, mostly). why can’t the same be true of the post-season?

it’s FIVE F’ING GAMES. The Phillies are World Series Champions. The Red Sox were World Series Champions last year. That’s the goal and the winning team should celebrate it along with their fans, but there’s no value statements to be made about the teams based on FIVE F’ING GAMES.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 30, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Listen, we know why your team won.

They played better. That is the beginning and end of that conversation, the Alpha and the Omega. Balls to Bones. This board has a low tolerance for serious conversations about things that are intangible such as hustle, grit, heart, experience, or ‘clutchiness’.

Don’t get the signals mixed, the truth is that we are happy to accept your congratulations, and we wholeheartedly respect your team. It’s the subtext message that is your reasoning that we collectively reject with prejudice.

by kericr on Oct 30, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions

well put

by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 30, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Just so you know

This stuff doesn’t fly too well at The Good Phight either, but they’ll learnya some good baseball knowledge. Make sure you check them out.

by kericr on Oct 30, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I feel bad for Strawberries everytime I see your icon...

The Rays lost the World Series to bad umpires, Mother Nature, and the Philadelphia Phillies.

by thebaddancingraysfan on Oct 30, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions

The frigid air tortures their souls.

by kericr on Oct 30, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Experience vs Exuberance. I heard it on TV, it must be true.

by floridaroar on Oct 30, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions

how come the red sox didnt beat us with their experience?

oh because we were better, not because they didnt have mike lowell or a healthy josh beckett, some of my red sox fans say they wouldve beaten us with those 2 fully healthy and i say shut up dumbass, we have rocco baldelli not being able to play everyday and scott kazmir not himself!

by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Let's see for a moment.

Scott Kazmir: Wasn’t throwing enough breaking pitches.
Josh Beckett: Playing through severe pain.
Oh sure, that’s comparable.

Rocco Baldelli: 4th outfielder, replaced by good players in BJ Upton and Gabe Gross.
Mike Lowell: Starting 3B man, replaced in the lineup by Mark Kotsay.
Very comparable indeed.

All that, and the Red Sox almost won the series. Timely hitting in Game 7, or better management in game 2, and we would have gone on to the World Series.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Nov 1, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions

You're assuming Kazmir is healthy.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 1, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Kazmir's slider went from a 70 pitch to a 50 pitch at best. Hmm...he too might have been hurt. Command might disapprear, pitches do not.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Nov 2, 2008 9:22 PM EST up reply actions

Thanks

And it’s good to see another respectful fan. However, I think you’re wrong in saying that other cities would have the same reaction. For whatever reason, hooliganism is just more accepted among Philly fans than elsewhere in the US, and that’s that. Phillies fans as a group tend to act kind of like Manchester City (not Manchester United) fans. It’s just part of the fan culture. Most cities have their own fan culture. The Tampa Bay area is still developing its fan culture to some extent, in great part because the area’s population is relatively new and the area still doesn’t really have a good collective identity yet. I do think the area’s fans tend to be more respectful of others than most cities’ fans, and sometimes that’s misinterpreted for lack of enthusiasm.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Oct 30, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions

gtfo our board

by dropkicknu on Oct 30, 2008 5:02 PM EDT reply actions

This guy's been pretty good, no reason to get touchy

by staplemaniac on Oct 30, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions

relax

i just essentially congratulated you on your teams awesome season…
you must be from philly originally with that anger complex.
nice carl pic – self portrait?

by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 30, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions

your post's title didn't exactly scream "i'm going to congratulate your team on an awesome season"

anyway, i hold no hostility towards you. i’m moving on.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 30, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions

why are you even on a rays blog saying anything?

don’t you have a phillies blog to go on? i realize our board probably has more traffic so you wanted to post here to get some attention. i guess we should all go on phillies blogs to congratulate them on their season since that’s the thing to do right? sorry i’m just not really in to that. when we beat boston i wasn’t going on their page saying anything good or bad. it’s not my place.
enjoy your win but keep it to yourself and other phillies fans. thanks

by dropkicknu on Oct 30, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions

The Rays lost because they (Pena/Longo) were saving their power for offseason softball games

There is no other explanation.

by matthan on Oct 30, 2008 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd because you're using your own joke now better than any of us ever could.

by kericr on Oct 30, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions

We lost because the Phillies made the big pitches/hits when it mattered most and we didn't

This isn’t really all that hard

Sternberg/Friedman '08!!

by JMB on Oct 30, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions

And don't forget the umps.

by floridaroar on Oct 30, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions

A better way to put this would be:

Congrats on a greats season. I respect your team.

That’s all. Don’t insut us with how you are celebrating. That is, in my book, sore winner. Take you win, congrats to the other guy and let it be. Don’t tell us why our team lost. Put yourself in our shoes. Would you like someone breaking down why your team lost? Frankly, I would expect people to be rather pissed off if I bragged about a World Series parade for the Rays on the Phillies Blog. Use your brain.

The Rays lost the World Series to bad umpires, Mother Nature, and the Philadelphia Phillies.

by thebaddancingraysfan on Oct 30, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions

Everyone's already said everything I was going to...

We got crap all year about the Rays were inexperienced and as a result, they were bound to fall to pieces and Boston would win the division. And then they said the same in the first round of the playoffs. And then in the ALCS. And now you’re saying it after the World Series. You have to realize that this is going to extremely piss some people off over here. You think we lost because of inexperience? Go ask Boston what playoff experience gets you.

Look, you seem to have a good heart and I can respect that. You probably didn’t realize how much we loathe that word over here. So I’ll give you that one…that’s an honest mistake. But one thing….take a look at this…

“side note – celebrating last night was awesome, tomorrows PARADE will be even better! but some of our phans are complete douchebags and for them, i apologize”

Seriously, look that sentence over and think about how a Rays fan is going to see that right now. How would you feel if the Rays won the series and someone came on and posted that on a Phillies blog? It’s completely and utterly hypocritical. While you may think you’re being nice and not being a douchebag, you just dug yourself into a big hole.

"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige

by Steve Slowinski on Oct 30, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions