chad cordero?
by RaysOfHope on Oct 30, 2008 11:51 PM EDT
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Printthe rays are most likely going to be in the market for a closer (again) since it seems likely that troy percival has thrown his last pitch in the big leagues. So what about the rays go after chad cordero as the closer for 09? he is probably going to be the lest expensive closer option in the free agent market and when he is healthy he is really effective in the closer role. give him a incentive laden contract just for insurance if he gets hurt.
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Forget the "closer" moniker.
Yes, bring Chad Cordero on board with a very low base, high incentive deal. Low risk, high reward.
There is not a need to designate any one player the “closer”.
The Dirty Canuck of the now.
every team needs a closer, to establish the other bullpen duties for the other relievers it just works better than having a bunch of guys do 1 job
i just went through all of the other 29 teams and all of them have closers or are going to be looking for closers
the only teams right now that dont really have closers is the tigers,mets, and the nationals
i know it is just how it is
and when was the last time a team has gone by a closer by committee? other than injuries but to actually go into a season like that?
Well
I can think of a few times that it’s worked quite well
by GomesSweetGomes on Oct 31, 2008 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
And
Usually, the only reason a team does it is because they lack ONE guy capable of finishing ballgames…but if you have more than one capable guy, there is no harm in trying it.
by GomesSweetGomes on Oct 31, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
im totally ok with a closer by committee but it rarely ever happens
so i doubt that it happens, i see them trying to sign fuentes or cordero
what i really want is for them to sign jaun cruz and have balfour and cruz share the closer role and possibly jp howell if it is a situational type save opp
fuentes is also a type A FA so we would lose our 1st rd pick for next year if we sign him
damn juan cruz is also a type A free agent
Chad Cordero won't be given a major bullpen role on any team out the gate.
Whether he comes back and is able to perform well is a complete crapshoot, which is why he will be obtainable for very cheap. Very low base salary with incentives.
The Dirty Canuck of the now.
Beat me to the punch
If every team has one, that means Seattle, Baltimore, San Diego, Detroit, Washington, and Pittsburg all have closers…must not be all that important
by GomesSweetGomes on Oct 31, 2008 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Not as a closer
Don’t sign someone that shaky as a closer. If it turns out he can close, then great, but someone that injury-prone isn’t someone you can rely on for any set position.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Inconsistent and hurt
Not a future closer, nor was he by the time we acquired him. The level of misinformation that was out there when the team traded for him was ridiculous. Jeff Niemann is a SIGNIFICANTLY better relief/closer prospect if you’re looking from within, and since he’s out of options, he’ll need to be on the team next year.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Was Neimann the guy who came up and had an 81.00 ERA in 2 games?
Indie.
by .Taylor on Nov 1, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
no i think that was jeff ridgeway in 2007
that trade was a horrible move for the braves, thanks for willy aybar braves!
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do the huston street talks get rekindled
they were hot in july while street was struggling and hurt
he pitched great to end the season, got velocity back to 94mph
Isn't there an old, often injured, ex-closer somewhere who wants to come out of retirement to play for the Rays this year?
We seem to pull people off the scrap pile for pennies every year to be our closer. Who’s it gonna be this year?
Ugueth Urbina?
JK
Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Nov 1, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
bust his ass out of jail and change his name and age
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todd jones has retired
hearing his name, makes me feel comfortable with percy lol
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He really ought to have retired two years ago.
He was pretty futile.
Indie.
by .Taylor on Nov 2, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Chad Cordero
suffered a torn labrum in his pitching shoulder. The injury and surgery will keep him out until at least mid-season and possibly until 2010. Labral tears are pretty hard to get over, and the surgery does not have the high success rates of tommy john surgery. Chad Lost a ton of velocity (7 mph) this season, and he stopped throwing some of his pitches entirely (the assumption being the curveball was giving him more pain than other pitches).
While it’s possible he could eventually return, look for him as a buy-low candidate next offseason.
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
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he is really out for that long? can i get a source to read about it?
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I have read reports, including on the tigers and cardinals SBN sites,
that say he will be back for spring training, but in my medical opinion that is total bullcrap. 12-18 months is the recovery time for his surgery, and I would not feel safe putting any innings on him before that time has elapsed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/30/AR2008103004416.html
“He has insisted he will be ready by spring training, but complete recovery from such an injury often requires 12-18 months.”
The results are very unpredictable. I can think of three players off the top of my head who had had labrum surgery: Ryan Wagner had it and is detailed in the above article. His surgery was in june of 2007 and he has not made it back to the majors. Freddy Garcia had it in 2007 and he made three starts toward the end of last year, not pitching particularly well, with questionable status for this year as well. Curt Schilling had a similar surgery, although he has had several injuries and it’s had to tell if his problems were even primarily labrum-related (also his labrum injury was probably a different one).
http://www.slate.com/id/2100895/
The main problem is that the labrum is made of connective tissue rather than muscle, and it does not heal well whatsoever. The best way to get past labrum surgery is to give it a lot of time. Cordero does not seem willing to do that.
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wow great info, i want no part of chad cordero if he is only going to be able to pitch less than half a season at the most
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I think the real problem is his unwillingness to think about rehab realistically.
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