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Wild Card: Chad Orvella

So I was skimming over the 40-man roster and realized that nobody had mentioned Orvella's name in a while, even though he spent all season along the dugout railing. I think it's obvious why: he was pitiful in 2007, but heading forward I'm actually curious if he can become a good middle reliever.


In 2005 Orvella registered 10.9% of his strikes swinging, unfortunately that number dropped to 8.3% and 8.8% in subsequent. Despite the drop, Orvella was still hovering around average. He's shown the tendency to get groundballs as well as walk the world, which is really troubling. The bright spot would be in 2007 Orvella allowed 15.4% liners, but had a .417 BABIP, in 2006 20% liners, .357 BABIP, in 2005 18.3% liners, .289 BABIP. With a 4.11 tRA through 50 innings in 2005, it's safe to say that was Orvella's best season.

The remaining concern is Orvella's high walk rates during his 2006 and 2007 stints where he would walk 7.40 and 11.25 per nine. Unfortunately, Orvella would also give up multiple homeruns per nine during those two seasons, simply compounding his control issues. I would suspect the homerun rates were more of a symptom of the wildness rather than the disease; Orvella would throw a gopher ball rather than get behind in a count or walk someone.

Without knowing either way, I don't think the Rays should jettison Orvella this off-season. It appears that the bullpen will have more candidates than positions, but that's hardly a bad thing. Frankly I've even changed my position on Dale Thayer, not only does he get swinging strikes, he gets them 11.5% of the time and held a 3.03 tRA.tRA.

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I don't think Niemann is going to be a bullpen guy.

Since the injuries, he’s come back rather nicely this season I thought, and will by a good MLB starter somewhere, and we’ll get something back for him. I believe he takes too long to warm up.

by staplemaniac on Oct 31, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really liked Orvella in 2005...

And he absolutely dominated in the minors prior to his callup. Orvella was a shortstop at NC State that got drafted as a pitcher because of his arm strength.

Orvella encountered problems, IMO, when the coaching staff tried to tweak his delivery following the 2005 season. They wanted him to speed up his delivery. Nothing wrong with that, except they waited until spring training to work on this….the worst time possible, other then during the season.

With his change in mechanics, he lost the strike zone, and confidence. I have no idea if he can rebound, but I had high hopes for him in the past.

by td32 on Oct 31, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's a link to his minor league numbers...

He always had very good control in the minors, but I think confidence had a lot to do with his wildness. Thinking about your mechanics while trying to pitch is a problem as well.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/O/Chad-Orvella.shtml

by td32 on Oct 31, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thinking about your mechanics while trying to pitch is a problem as well.

Example: Kazmir, Scott

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Oct 31, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree.

A lot of people, myself included had him as our future closer. When they mucked with his mechanics he never got them back. His command went from excellent to sucktastic.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Oct 31, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm losing hope on the idea of 2005 Orvella coming back (at least in the near term)

I agree that Niemann/Talbot should have first crack at any open bullpen spots. We could, however, keep Orvella and see if he regains enough of his old form for a feasible trade option.

Sternberg/Friedman '08!!

by JMB on Nov 1, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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