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Congrats to Joe, well deserved.

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SHOCKED

Another shocker from the BBWAA.

The only ones they ever get right are so exceedingly obvious.

by rglass44 on Nov 12, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

About time!

Look for some more Rays in the news this week…

by billso on Nov 12, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This was a no doubter.

It’s never anyone but the best (and or) biggest surprise team.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 12, 2008 2:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Discussion question:

Is this the stupidest award given out?

Talking points:
-Was Joe a great manager the previous two years or did he just improve greatly?
-Was the team’s success due primarily to his skills or the skills of the players?
-What makes a manager of the year?
-etc.
-etc.

by rglass44 on Nov 12, 2008 2:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Q3)

Glasses, mohawk, wine, shifts, big words, 97 wins, kicking A and taking N

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found
a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up
that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Nov 12, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget

They love the way he’ll tack a -y or -sy to a derivation of your last name. I

by PlayOnWords on Nov 12, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Atta way to go

PlayOnWordsy

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found
a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up
that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Nov 12, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually DO think he improved greatly

His bullpen usage was smarter, he used different tactics to keep guys motivated, he made less boneheaded in-game decisions. The first two I think have a lot to do with the results he and management were seeking (it’s pretty clear that the AFRO treated ’06 and ’07 more like development years), but it did seem like he did a lot more this year than he had done in the past.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Nov 12, 2008 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not sure what makes a manager of the year

but my answer to your first question is yes, he was a great manager the previous 2 years. Evaluating a manager by the team’s won/lost record is as faulty an approach as evaluating a pitcher that way. I was enormously impressed by the skills and character Maddon demonstrated in his first two years-his patience, creativity, fortitude, judgment, positive attitude, attention to detail, matching of players to roles, dissecting mechanics and more. My only question was would he complement these skills so necessary to building a contender with those needed once a team actually did contend. He proved this year that he could. The award this year should really be manager of the past 3 years. Now there are new challenges which will require continued growth on his part.

It is possible that he also improved on in-game decisions as Brickhaus says. I pay little attention to that as in most cases I think it vastly overrated as an issue, and in any case different circumstances almost certainly altered such choices as bullpen usage and pinch hitting decisions. Intelligent people do change course, of course (despite the sophomoric campaign strategy of candidates who think that labeling their opponents as flip-floppers is a criticism when it is often a compliment), and Maddon is certainly learning from experience. Perhaps that accounts for perceived improvements in in-game tactics. But the key is that he has maintained a focus (allowing flexibility within it) for 3 years, and finally the won/lost record caught up.

by bobr on Nov 13, 2008 7:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting and useless fact

a Ray and a Cub just won ROTY also, they are taking all the awards….. well until Cliff Lee wins the Cy Young tomorrow of course.

by joeybw on Nov 12, 2008 2:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Rays are a M.O.Y factory. Last two Rays managers won.

I know winning the award has nothing to do with this, but I think it’s great that Joe will manage the AL Allstar team in ’09.

by Tommy Rancel on Nov 12, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hell yeah

I don’t think Tek will find a way on the All Star team next season…

by joeybw on Nov 12, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i meant ROTY and MOTY

but yes, my statement was still false

Chalk it up to my dream of Lincecum being a Ray,

by joeybw on Nov 12, 2008 8:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My understanding is

that the Rays had Lincecum ready to sign but were surprised that Longoria was still available and so switched the pick to him. I had not heard that there was any disagreement within the organization, only that they simply did not expect to have a shot at Longoria.

by bobr on Nov 14, 2008 12:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On one side

Lincecum – Price – Kazmir – Garza – Shields for many years is unreal.

On the other side, our offense without Longoira shouldn’t even be thought about.

by joeybw on Nov 14, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW....

Maddon received 27 of the 28 first place votes.

by Tommy Rancel on Nov 12, 2008 2:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It ain't worth winning if you can't win big

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found
a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up
that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Nov 12, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Minneapolis writer?

It was probably a homer vote from a Twins beat reporter.

by billso on Nov 12, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A decent arguement can be made for Gardenhire

I don’t think his team had near the amount of talent the Rays did this season. That they got where they did was very impressive. Oh, and they were super clutch, that’s obviously on the manager.

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Nov 12, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's gotta be

One of the two Minny writers who gave Gardy a vote. You know he’ll say something about the team still having a winning record despite losing players like Hunter and Santana. They play in the freakin AL Central and didn’t win the division, he didn’t do a better job than Guillen.

by Erik Hahmann on Nov 12, 2008 2:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

While it's award season I thought I would share this with you guys. Hot off the presses.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found
a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up
that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Nov 12, 2008 3:54 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

What's that?

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Nov 12, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you don't know what the Stephen T. Colbert Award is

You fail at life

Sternberg/Friedman '08!!

by JMB on Nov 12, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats, Joe

You earned this one. Way to go, man!

Sternberg/Friedman '08!!

by JMB on Nov 12, 2008 5:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thanks

oh you mean Maddon, well, thanks anyway.

by joeybw on Nov 12, 2008 8:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Terry Pluto of the Cleveland Plain Dealer

is the writer who gave Gardenhire a 1st place vote.

by Tommy Rancel on Nov 13, 2008 8:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

His reason is really dumb.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.

by SRQman on Nov 14, 2008 2:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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