Swisher to Yanks
You have got to be kidding me. This is redic. We could have given them less than Talbot for him?
Marquez last year as a 24 YO in AAA. 3.68/1.49 K/BB, 4.85 tRA*.
This sucks.
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It's not yet known if other players are in the deal though.
I will bet that there are others involved. Austin Jackson would be pleasant.
There are SO MANY teams that could’ve and probably wanted to top that offer.
This.
Swisher isn't that good.
The Yankees won’t go anywhere until they sure up their defense and pitching.
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According to this year's metrics, Swisher was actually a plus defender
Not sure if I believe them though.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Yup.
+1.5 wins off
-.75 wins LF/RF
+.25 wins field
+2.5 wins replace
= 3.5 WAR player, maybe 3.0 with regression
Why do the Yankees want a LF/RF/DH/1B type?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
They are solely out of my arse.
Not scientific, at least. But not just off last year, either, when Swisher was below-average offensively. He was about +2 wins with the bat in 06 and 07.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Ugh
Another rosterbation target, Gregg, also got traded for peanuts (Jose Ceda).
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Swisher due $20,000,000 over the next three years
Could be just a straight salary dump. He’s hit better as a righty the last 3 years and now goes to a park that deflates RH power numbers.
how do you know this?
no games played there yet…
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Nov 13, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'm trying to figure out...
how Swisher goes from the cavernous Oakland Mosoleum where he had a 127 OPS+ and moves to the coziest ballpark in the American League and put up a 92 OPS+
I'm trying to figure out...
How Kenny Williams justifies trading two top-40 prospects for this guy a year ago, then trades him back away for a prospect with a #4 starter ceiling.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Nov 13, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That sucks badly
Swisher will play CF for the Yanks and rebound next year! Hope there are good players involved! Otherwise this is a joke and really bad for us! Would’ve loved to see Swish in our RF!
If the Yankees are dumb enough to stick him in center
then the move probably helps us. Once you account for defense, Melky is probably a better CF than Swisher.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Surprisingly, no.
And playing Swisher in center vs. a corner spot only affects his value by a few runs. +5 in RF is the same as -5 in CF.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
you are forgetting the oppurtunity cost of playing him in one vs. the other
Lame econ term I know, but it fits. Him in CF and Damon in LF is much worse than him in LF and a decent CF option.
How about Damon in center (with Swisher in left)?
Should be about the same, unless one or both of Swisher/Damon have skillsets that make them relatively better at one position or the other beyond the usual expected difference.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Him throwing puts a smile on my face.
First-to-third is one of my favorite little things to the game.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found
a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up
that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Nov 13, 2008 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
His arm is a wet noodle no matter where you put him.
And while he’d be below-average in center, he’s not Griffey-like, yet.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
And if I actually read rglass's statement
He said the exact same thing. I’m a tard.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Swisher last year
BABIP of .251 with a LD% of 20.9. That’s “unlucky” by .082. His slash line was .219/.332/.410/.742. Turn 8 of those outs into hits (to align with about the right BABIP) and his average goes up to .226. His OPS if those hits were only singles goes up to .758. That is a bit more respectable.
How much do park effect hurt him now?
US Cellular inflates LHB HRs by 40% and RHB HR’s by 26%
Yankees Stadium inflated LHB HR by 19% and is negligible for RHB HR
His career BABIP is .277 so .251 is not terribly off for him.
by Jason Collette on Nov 13, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
oh come on, Sox
Well on the bright side, Swisher will probably suck in CF and if they got him for 1B then no Tex to the Yankees!
According to ESPN they got "Tex"
Kanekoa Texeira
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Nov 13, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Figured I'd chime in
I can’t imagine this takes Tex out of play for the Yanks – they’re more likely looking at Swish for his flexibility – possible platooning in CF or replacing Abreu in RF, or then Damon from mix in ‘10. At 1B he’s a fallback option. Kind of a Giambi replacement with less O, much better D.
Probably just providing cover for multiple possibilities – nothing in FA is guaranteed.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 13, 2008 4:34 PM EST reply actions
That's what they're saying. Swisher hit a lot of line drives and his BABIP was still low. Which is why they're saying he was unlucky.
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Sign Bonds!
The line drives are not lucky. But hitting them at fielders regularly is bad luck.
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Or we're not adding payroll.
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Relatively speaking, no, but we don't have money to spend it appears.
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Tony Gwynn, yes
Wade Boggs’ average was artificially inflated by pulling balls off the monster for half his career.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
If you hit the ball hard a lot and they don't go for hits, that's unlucky.
If you do not hit the ball hard (texas leaguers) and a lot of balls you make contact on go for hits, you were lucky. Pretty simple actually.
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It's not, in many ways.
For pitchers, if you see a BABIP outside of .290 to .310, you know something’s weird. But for hitters, that range of true skill is more like .250 to .350. So just seeing a .260 BABIP shouldn’t scream bad luck.
But there’s a strong correlation between LD% and BABIP, since LDs turn into hits more than 80% of the time. So if LD% is high, but BABIP is low, then you can scream bad luck.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
I don't think Cashman has been the problem
He’s just faced incredible amounts of pressure from the Steinbrenners, the media, etc. If left to his own, I think Cashman would run the team a lot more conservatively and build from within more than he does now. He finally put his foot down last year and refused to trade Kennedy and Hughes (sucks that it didn’t work out right away for him…although it’s good for us).
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by Steve Slowinski on Nov 13, 2008 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
We already have Swisher
His name is Gomes. Swisher is extremely overrated
Swisher isnt worth 7 mill a year
Swisher actually plays a passable corner outfield.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 13, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
And isn't Gomes likely a non-tender?
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 13, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I see Friedman looking for a deal (cash most likely) until he absolutely has to non-tender him.
May or may not find one, but yeah, I’d say Gomes is likely done here, despite the regression that’s forthcoming.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 13, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
Look at the numbers – offensively, Gomes and Swisher aren’t really that far apart. The biggest difference is that Swisher can sometimes hit righties well.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Just as long as he conforms with everyone kissing up to me.
Because that’s rule #1.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 14, 2008 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
It appears there's a lot of teams looking at serious budget retrenchment
The White Sox appear to be trying to lower payroll – Vasquez is supposedly on the market among others. The Padres with Moores’ divorce very much so, and many other clubs appear to be trying to hold the line as well due to economic uncertainty. And of course there’s the Marlins, who seem to think that revenue sharing is designed to finance their stadium costs. The only people who don’t seem seem to expect this are Scott Boras and some agents.
We could be in for some surprises in terms of offered contact terms this offseason. Look at the offer the Dodgers made to Manny for example. And how many other teams will be that motivated to acquire him, or have the available cash? Could be some posturing going on as well by owners to depress the market, but I wonder how this will play out.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 13, 2008 8:05 PM EST reply actions
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