Floyd/Miller's Options Declined

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 3, 2008 4:57 PM EST Comment 30 comments

Money coming off of next year's payroll: 4 million

Actual money freed = 3.35 million (0.25 mil buyout for Floyd, 0.4 mil for Miller)

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This seems to mean that free talent (see: cheap, undervalued, ect.) is on the way to the Rays LOOGY spot. Assuming James Houser Jr. isn't ready quite yet, I could see Brian Shouse (high GB%, .~.400ish OPS v. LHB, better tRA than Miller) as an option. Miller wasn't awful, but the Rays can do better for cheaper.

Floyd was pretty decent as well, and frankly I found myself liking him more than I should have. I'm guessing this might be the end of his career and that's too bad. Floyd has been in the majors since I started liking baseball, and a league without him is going to be odd. Nevertheless, I would assume someone like Raul Ibanez might replace him. We'll see though.

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Both seemed to be great clubhouse guys

Sad to see them go, but their usefulness may be in the past. On to bigger and better things.

by rglass44 on Nov 3, 2008 5:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Damn, now where will I go to hear whatever hillbilly bullshit that comes on the speakers when Miller comes in to pitch?

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Nov 3, 2008 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Is Joyland still open in Pinellas Park?

by kericr on Nov 3, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it's a church now.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Nov 3, 2008 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hopefully we can bring back Mills at a discount rate.

by walkoffwalk on Nov 3, 2008 5:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

although they don't get much cheaper than $2 mill for a quality FA loog.

by walkoffwalk on Nov 3, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Declining him opens the door to offering him arbitration and getting a sammich pick if he declines.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 3, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

isn't he gonna get more via arbitration than the option we just declined?

by walkoffwalk on Nov 3, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Possibly

However, if you don’t offer arb, you can’t resign the player until May 1.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Nov 3, 2008 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Or in other words

There’s a zero percent chance that either Miller or Floyd comes back.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Nov 3, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

unless we offer him arb and he accepts it

by walkoffwalk on Nov 3, 2008 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

no they changed that rule, last year

if you decline abr on someone, you can sign them whenever you want

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by RaysOfHope on Nov 3, 2008 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Floyd's departure opens the door for Griffey

in my mind, he’d be worth $5 or 6 mil or so per year, give him some incentives, use him in same role as Cliff. He’d be an excellent influence on the young outfielders, all of whom I’m sure idolize Griffey, and I think he’d put some more fans in the seats

by ZBW on Nov 3, 2008 5:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

No.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Nov 3, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But free (cheaper better) talent.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 3, 2008 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I will sign for league minimum, and I can run faster than Griffey.

I’m willing to do whatever it takes to keep him off this team.

by kericr on Nov 3, 2008 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i'm just saying...

for all the reasons OFF the field, it makes perfect sense. ON the field, yes, griffey is not the same as he used to be, and he can’t really run, but we are still talking about GRIFFEY. he can hit when healthy AT LEAST as good as cliff floyd, and cliff helped us out at times this year with his bat.

the move would bring more attention to the rays, it’s a good marketing/pr move. that’s really all i’m saying.

by ZBW on Nov 3, 2008 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bring Griffey in as a coach, then.

He’s very similar to Floyd offensively (I might say a step worse), and the team doesn’t want to pay Floyd for his services.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Nov 3, 2008 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

no floyd is hurt and might be done

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by RaysOfHope on Nov 3, 2008 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Griffey != Bonds

by staplemaniac on Nov 3, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It might make sense if the team still wasn't that great this year

But with the Rays making a deep playoff run, I can’t imagine that too many more people would go out and buy season tickets just because the ream goes out and signs any one given player.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Nov 3, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Griffey is awful

Why not just bring back Damon Hollins? Or resign Darnell McDonald. OK, maybe not that bad, but Ken Griffey is no longer a major league quality player. He’s pretty darn close to replacement level when you take into consideration how horrible his defense is now. All he does well at this point is get on base.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Nov 3, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Declining Floyd's option is a GREAT sign.

Not that it would be a disaster having him back, but teams in all sports who make the championship tend to bring back all the same guys because they think they are necessary and to appease the fans. This move screams “we will make decisions objectively, based on which contracts will give us the best chance to win in the future”.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Nov 3, 2008 6:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I agree.

And looking at it objectively, Floyd is a great clubhouse guy but didn’t contribute as much with the bat as you’d hope for a DH. With his latest injury his production looks to be even less next year.

by floridaroar on Nov 3, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

That is a good sign. Did you see his comments in the Heater? He was gushing about the Rays and the organization. He even reflected that he would take less money. Floyd is absolute class and was huge to Upton’s maturity. In my mind this is a sign that they will try to do something special with the DH/RF situation, whatever that may be. However, if the big bopper is not located within budget then bring back Floyd at a discount. I definately want no part of Griffey, his bat and legs have really slowed.

by bobbyray1 on Nov 3, 2008 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i think that they should offer cliff floyd a coaching job

he was more less a player/coach this year and i think that he would be a great coach if he can no longer play.

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by RaysOfHope on Nov 3, 2008 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

His quotes on The Heater indicate that he wants to be with the team and he will work with the front office to get something done. There has to be some type of management position that they can get him into.

I don't smoke.

by TBfisherman on Nov 4, 2008 7:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs