Holliday for Crawford?

by JRays on Nov 5, 2008 4:24 PM EST Comment 26 comments

Matt Holliday, barring a dramatic reversal, will be traded this winter. General manager Dan O’Dowd made it clear Tuesday that he’s not afraid to play kids or unproven players when I asked him about starting Ian Stewart, Seth Smith and Ryan Spilborghs in the same lineup. Holliday should fetch a big return, but there’s no perfect deal out there. The Rockies want pitching which is why they have spoken with the Rays, who could part with Edwin Jackson or Andy Sonnanstine. Carl Crawford’s name has also surfaced as someone the Rays might be willing to give up for Holliday.

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Jackson for Spilborghs &PTBNL

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Nov 5, 2008 4:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Slipborghs fits well in this lineup

Although he’d be duplicative of Rocco. Still, he’s only half of a platoon, unless you think Aybar really is the answer at DH.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Nov 5, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

just as long as they go for more offense

If the prospect list is very little (just a throw in w/ Crawford and E-Jax) then this isn’t a bad choice at all. Holliday is a upgrade over Crawford and not much of an increase over his salary. As long as this still allows the Rays to add someone like Milton Bradley at DH then it’s a good move for the Rays.

by raysfaninminnesota on Nov 5, 2008 4:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Except for 1 thing.

CC has an option for 2010, so the Rays are in the driver’s seat in terms of keeping him. .

Holliday is an FA after the 2009 season. He will easily get a 100MM contract.

One year of CC + 2 draft picks >>>>> 2 draft picks.

This.

by Blicks on Nov 5, 2008 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe so

but in terms of what Crawford does, there are more inexpensive options. Crawford’s team option for next year is around 10 mil. I’d rather have the draft picks to keep the team’s lifeline going. If the Rays are going to have any chance of sustaining their success, it’s going to be their minor league system and how they can be most efficient with their player salaries.

by raysfaninminnesota on Nov 5, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd miss CC :(

by Sylar on Nov 5, 2008 4:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Him leaving would not be the same for me as when Huff or Hall left. If it helps us in signing Beej for the next quarter century I will be able to move on a lot easier.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Nov 5, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I really don't like MLBTraderumors.com.

How about Jackson for Atkins?

Indie.

by Taylor H on Nov 5, 2008 4:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Actually, in retrospect, that could NEVER happen.

Indie.

by Taylor H on Nov 5, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I like Atkins game

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Nov 5, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

why could that NEVER happen?

I agree we’d probably have to add but Atkins could be a good DH option for us and also play the corners (maybe not great) if needed. Two years of team control left also, I think.

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Nov 6, 2008 7:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No way in hell this deal is done straight up.

We send away CC, who will make $8 million, so we can have a one year rent a player in Holliday. I laughed when I first heard this rumor. Sounds like a wishful fan made this one up.

The Rays lost the World Series to bad umpires, Mother Nature, and the Philadelphia Phillies.

by thebaddancingraysfan on Nov 6, 2008 5:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

What about

EJax, Nado and Neimann for Holliday? Might be light but maybe they would like Nado in CF?? Tavares someone they are looking to trade from what I’ve heard.

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Nov 6, 2008 7:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

hmmm

someone over at MLBTR suggested that if the rays were willing to neglect upgrading offensively they could dedicate that extra salary room (from percy maybe,floyd,ejax,miller) into a trade for jake peavy, The Rays probably couldn’t afford it at around $15mil for four years, but he sure could be worth it if he was willing to play in the AL. Just wondering what you guys thought might be fair and if this could make sense possibly seeing as the cubs are front runners with bad prospects.

IF only Harry Carey could be arounde for Kosuke.

by CubFanRaysaddict on Nov 6, 2008 5:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I Like Me Some Peavy

But acquiring him just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for the Rays.

by floridaroar on Nov 6, 2008 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Cubs ain't front runners, sorry.

Braves should/will outmatch any Cubs offer.

They don’t need to give up Heyward/Hanson/Schafer/Freeman to outdo anything the Cubs will give up

This.

by Blicks on Nov 7, 2008 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

that the Cubs while everyone is calling them the current front runners are not the long term front runners, I was just making a point that with their really crappy old prospects the cubs are the ‘favorite’ at this time to get Peavy, we have 15-18 players deep in our farm system that could match up and be better than some of the prospects the cubs are offering, we could maybe see this as a way to sell on Kaz too and get a better pitcher with a longer contract and be able to get prospects in return for Kaz. And because this might make some sense it would never happen.

IF only Harry Carey could be arounde for Kosuke.

by CubFanRaysaddict on Nov 7, 2008 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why sell off on Kaz?

Edwin needs to be gone before Kaz, and this is the perfect sell-high time for Edwin.

EJax AND Kaz gone means someone undesirable(like Hammel) could be in the rotation behind Shields, Garza, Price, and Sonny. Or maybe Niemann could be starting, but I’m not sure, and would rather not take that risk.

This.

by Blicks on Nov 8, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

More Niemann I say

by staplemaniac on Nov 9, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

this trade does not make much sense to me...

we need one more good outfielder for the roster….so why give up one to get another one? I can see giving up some pitching….but not our starting left fielder for another outfielder for one year.

by free hotdogs on Nov 6, 2008 8:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

well if it helps

The trade idea seems to of been forgotten, now the rumor is Phillies are going after Holliday aggressively, A’s want him a lot also and the Rays are just a distant 3rd.

by joeybw on Nov 6, 2008 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

A's?

That seems out of personality for Beane to try acquiring a big money free agent in the last year of his deal.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Nov 6, 2008 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

didn't seem like us either

He will wind up in Boston or New York like everyone else, they don’t care that they have no room for him, anything to spend money and add another All Star

by joeybw on Nov 6, 2008 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

the Rockies really only wanted Ludwick, the Cardinals have offered Ludwick, Shumaker and Mitchell Boggs so it looks like he will go to St. Louis.

That would make Holliday, Ankiel, and Rasmus

Think they will still trade Ankiel?

by joeybw on Nov 8, 2008 11:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

That is a fleece job by the Rockies if it went down.

I would then think that one of the OFers would be flipped for pitching help, since that’s what they truly need.

Mozeliak REALLY shouldn’t make that move. Ludwick could be worth 10 fewer runs above replacement next year, and if Holliday matched his 2008 performance, Luddy + Schu would still have a greater TVAR combined than Holliday.

And this isn’t taking into account what Boggs does next year.

This.

by Blicks on Nov 8, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs