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Edwin Jackson to be traded to Detroit for Matthew Joyce!

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The Detroit Tigers are set to acquire right-hander Edwin Jackson from the Tampa Bay Rays for outfielder Matt Joyce, according to a major-league source.

Per Fox Sports

Now official.

Joyce is a young, power-hitting corner outfielder with good defensive skills. His minor league stats are pretty impressive, considering he's been young for his league. He'll swing and miss (and strike out) but his walk percentages have been consistently over 10% throughout the minors. Dave Cameron compares him to Jayson Werth, that seems like a pretty good comparison. He's under team control for six additional seasons, and he's only 24 years old.

UZR has him at +6 in right and +15 in left, a bit of a small sample size on the right field readings though. If his bat plays as well as it did last year, as well as his glove, you're looking at a 2.7 WAR player, and that's assuming he's more like 6 runs on defense rather than in upwards of 10. That's, um, a pretty nice upgrade for a pitcher projected to be more like 1.5 < x > 2.0 WAR next year.

Compared to the Rays RFers last year, Joyce appears to be an upgrade. Depending on whether those left field defensive numbers stand up or not, he's on part with Gross defensively, and a superior hitter. This also means no more Eric Hinske, which means less balls dropping anyways. The one problem with Joyce is his tendency to not hit left-handed pitching. That's not uncommon, and he still managed an OPS over .700 against them over his minor league career. Jeremy Hermida is similar in that regard, are as a number of other left-handed hitters, in fact left-handed hitters as a whole had a .699 OPS against left-handed pitching last season -- if this weren't typical, there wouldn't be LOOGYs.

Based on what we know at this moment, the Rays win this and it's not particularly close. Jackson has the physical tools, and the arguments have been stated constantly, but at the end of the day he's yet to show the results or even the processes that reflect on the potential. Thank goodness he has more value to some than I imagined. 

Farewell Edwin, hopefully things work out for you.

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Haven't heard of him.

Any thoughts? I’ll miss EJax, he’s a great person and I hope he can finally get that control down.

by Albertrayon on Dec 10, 2008 9:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Believe In Friedman

MATT JOYCE in 2008:
.252AVE 12HR 33BI .339OBP .492SLG

I am a Tampa Bay Rays fan living in Los Angeles. Dodger fans, you know you're not going anywhere right?

by raysfaninlosangeles on Dec 10, 2008 9:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Would he be a step up from Fernando Perez?

I am a Tampa Bay Rays fan living in Los Angeles. Dodger fans, you know you're not going anywhere right?

by raysfaninlosangeles on Dec 10, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The organization believes

Perez isn’t ready, particularly from the left side. He was, at best, going to platoon with Gross. I’d expect him to start the year in AAA and be used as depth.

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by Tyler on Dec 10, 2008 9:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like it will work. Good looking up

I am a Tampa Bay Rays fan living in Los Angeles. Dodger fans, you know you're not going anywhere right?

by raysfaninlosangeles on Dec 10, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wOBA of .355

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 9:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

.252/.339/.492 in his first 277 PAs in the majors

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 9:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hacking isn't the issue. He walks.

He just lets the ball travel and strikes out a lot because of it. The scouting reports on him are pretty positive. Not a star, but should be an above-average player, particularly considering defense.

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by Tyler on Dec 10, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Y'ALL SO STUPID; Y'ALL JUST GOT FRIEDMAN'D.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 9:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

6 years till FA.

He didn’t accumulate enough service time to qualify for a full year.

I don’t even think he gets super 2 status.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 10:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would be more giddy

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 9:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another young fielder who actually knows the area

Is this going to result in Longoria being more hungover on Sunday afternoons, or the same amount of hungover as last season?

by Albertrayon on Dec 10, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent signing!

Andrew has done it again! Joyce played well when Sheffield was out and the Tigers really tried to find a place in their lineup for him. I think it’s a great pickup, just look at his OBP and OPS. He’s be our starting RF, now go get Bradley or Giambi, and my Christmas list will be complete!

by raysnbran on Dec 10, 2008 10:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

For those asking, his scouting report from BA:
Joyce has a smooth lefthanded stroke and the power to hit 20-25 homers annually. He takes an aggressive hack, and while he can be prone to strikeouts, he’s a good situational hitter. He hasn’t handled southpaws well in his career, and the Tigers often platooned him in the big leagues.

An average runner and a well above-average defender in right field, Joyce tracks balls well and has enough range to fill in in center. He has a strong, accurate arm.

He was the thirteenth ranked prospect in the IL. Basically, what he did last year in the big leagues is his ceiling. But he’s made the most of his tools and should be an above-average player. I really like this deal. Joyce is most likely our everyday RFer, but there is also a change Gross gets moved and they platoon him and Nando.

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by Tyler on Dec 10, 2008 10:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

BP 2008 says

He’ll probably never be enough of a hitter to play every day, but is outstanding on defense. Good enough for a decade or so of bench play. But then they also predicted him to hit 13 hr and 230/295/374 in 567 ML ABs so he probably has a bit better bat then they thought.

by Albertrayon on Dec 10, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He does have platoon splits that are not pretty.

But he’s overachieved his entire career. We’ll see how he adjusts to lefties at the big league level.

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by Tyler on Dec 10, 2008 10:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The opposite is true.

He cannot hit righties at all. So much so, there has been at least the discussion of him hitting exclusively right handed.

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by Tyler on Dec 10, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Was this the best move the Rays could do?

If this the best that Friedman could swing, then fine…I just hope we didn’t turn down the chance to acquire Ankiel or Cruz….even if it would have cost a little more. I know that player control is important and we only would have had Ankiel for one season, but if the scouting reports say that Joyce’s upside is maybe a slightly-above average player, then was he the right choice?

by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 10, 2008 10:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

How does Gross rate

in terms of average player? And what’s he going to do now?

by Albertrayon on Dec 10, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gross is an above average player.

Fourth outfielder? Traded? I don’t know.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not by much, but Joyce is the better player.

They have similar skill sets, but Joyce is younger, better and cheaper.

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by Tyler on Dec 10, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But both can't hit lefties.

I was hoping we’d find someone with that special trait.

by Albertrayon on Dec 10, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not much of a problem

The Rays just still have that supposed major weakness against lefty pitchers that they’ll have to address.

by Albertrayon on Dec 10, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's Milton Bradley time

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you figure?

I want someone to convince me Joyce is better than Gross, not just younger than Gross.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 11:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gross is not an everyday player though.

He’s only above-average because we hide his weaknesses. He’s very useful. I’d expect Gross to be moved.

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by Tyler on Dec 10, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we'll take him back

please? you can have josh butler back!

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by Jack Moore on Dec 11, 2008 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this may just be because of rumors

but when we are supposedly considering Ankiel, Ludwick, Young, Hermidia, Cruz…I’m just curious if this is the best we could do.

by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 10, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hermida would cost more. Delmon ain't coming back. Ludwick would cost more.

Cruz is a bigger question mark than Joyce. You also get more prime years with Joyce.

Ankiel is a 1 year rental.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Prime"

If he is only a supplementary player, then I don’t think ‘prime’ is a major concern…what is a concern is being ‘cheap. IF that’s not the case, then good. I’m not wanting to be a downer, this front office has been great and should very much be given the benefit of the doubt, but of all the choices that were thrown out there (albeit they probably all were not realistically possible regardless of media speculation)…but I still would rather have one year of Ankiel with the possiblity of extra draft picks if he leaves, than just a slight upgrade over Gross.

by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 10, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's not what i said

i’m just going on the basis of what was speculated. my guess is obviously it would cost more than just Jackson. everything is obviously cost-dependent…I just don’t know much about Joyce, but on the basis of what is said here, it doesn’t sound like he’s much of an upgrade over what we have.

by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 10, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but the upgrade of trading jackson so Price can start is an upgrade for any possible trade

If Joyce is a capable two-way RF who has offensive potential, then it was worth it. If he is a solid upgrade over what we have, then it was worth it. If no one was ever really that interested in Jackson and we just had to take what we could get, then it was worth it.

If Joyce has the potential to become Jason Worth, especially the Worth we saw in the WS, then it was very much worth it.

by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 10, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But looking on the bright side

Now we for sure replace EJax with a vastly superior Price, and a grab bag RF (mostly Gross I’m guessing) with someone a bit better than Gross. So we’re already better than last year on paper.

by Albertrayon on Dec 10, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boom

Price + Joyce>Edwin

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

While I love him and the trade

I wasn’t happy when I read the part that he can’t handle southpaws.

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The scouting reports also said

Edwin Jackson was the best Dodger pitching prospect since Pedro Martinez

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Better than Clayton Kershaw? Chad Billingsley?

by raysnbran on Dec 10, 2008 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

the way I read the quote, made me believe he was their best pitching prospect since Pedro, meaning since the early 1990’s. That’s over 15 years ago, and I threw out 2 names off the top of my head that were LA prospects since then. Maybe they weren’t great prospects, but both Kershaw and Billingsley look like they will eventually be better pros than E Jax.

by raysnbran on Dec 10, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They were post-E Jax

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joyce is controlled for 6 years, 3 at league min.

Edwin goes to arb and is controlled for 3.

HUGE difference in contracts alone.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Aybar/Bradley/Giambi/Abreu for DH

and cheap, good options for our bullpen!

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 10:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

How reliable is the source?

 I cannot find reference to this anywhere else, and even this simply says the Tigers are “set to acquire Jackson”, not that a deal is completed.

Ok, now it is posted at rotoworld also, but it is the same conditional kind of statement.

And now Topkin has posted it too but adds there is no confirmation from the Rays.

Baseball America had Joyce listed as the Tigers’ 7th best prospect and first outfielder. They also identify him as their best defensive outfield prospect which, if true, might explain the Rays’ preference for him.

by bobr on Dec 10, 2008 10:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rosenthal had it, seems reliable

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was also the International Leagues 13th best prospect.

His value has gone up this year.

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by Tyler on Dec 10, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So guys, I like the following

Aki
CC
Beej
Pena
Longo
bradley
Joyce
Navi
Briggy

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 10:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

To the special vacation MVPs go on when I don't want to see them anymore.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another Lefty?

I will take it. Thank you Edwin, best of luck in D-town.

Go Largo!

by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 10, 2008 10:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

His major league record vs. lefties is meaningless

as it encompasses just 28 plate appearances. In those 28 PAs, he had 5 hits (2 doubles) with 6 BBs and 6 Ks for a line of .227/.393/.318.

In 356 minor league ABs vs. lefties he hit .239/.328/.393 with 15 doubles and 12 HRs. He also had 44 BBs and 91 Ks with the following rates:

GB: 44
LD: 13.4
FB: 42.5

by bobr on Dec 10, 2008 10:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

A trend I've noticed looking at Joyce's minor league splits

is that he’s been hitting lefties better as he’s ascended through the levels.

Agreed on not looking at the MLB splits though, small sample size galore.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In 2007

His OPS vs LHP was higher than vs. RHP

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 10:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh what a shock by the way

We heard NOTHING of this trade before it happened, Rays keep the trend going.

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 10:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it interesting?

The Rays seem to be masters of misdirection. Rumors fly about all sorts of things while they quietly confound everyone’s expectations.

by bobr on Dec 10, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheap, young, good defense.

Sounds good to me. My only question is how good is bat is. Could he legitimately hit .270/.370/.500, at least against RHP?

by twenty5psi on Dec 10, 2008 10:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

haha how funny is it that the tigers take another 1 of our pitchers

fossum,glover,seay and now ejax and they also have adam everett on their team as well, wow the tigers GM is well on his way to being GM of the year for next year lol

also i really like matt joyce, espically for ejax

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 10:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He will be a SP at first

but I have read they are considering him as a closer.

4 guys in the pen….. Fossum, Seay, Glover, Ejax

I almost feel bad, almost

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow really as a closer? i think that they need him more as a starter

why move him to the closer role when he can still live up to his upside as a starter? i dont feel bad 1 bit for them have those 4, they can take 2 more if they want (wheeler and percy) wheeler as a setup man and percy as the new todd jones for them lol

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Tigers have already had their shot with Percy.

A lot of Tigers fans didn’t like him… he got hurt and forced Todd Jones into the closer’s role in ’06 (when they were good).

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 10:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow i almost forgot about them having percy

but they can have wheeler if they want

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In addition to whatever we had to spend, we now have more with Jackson gone

You guys think one of those awesome DH’s is coming soon?

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 10:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, given the Rays modus operandi,

who knows! Maybe Friedman finds someone nobody has thought of. Or maybe he gets Manny! (I will continue after the EMTs leave.)

by bobr on Dec 10, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no way we can afford manny

i want either dunn,bradley,giambi,ibanez or abreu as the DH and im pretty sure that we will get 1 of them sometime soon, now that RF is taken care of with joyce.

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel good now

We can either get one of the many guys for DH or put Aybar there.

If we go the Aybar route, then we can spend out money on some awesome bullpen arms :)

I want Bradley and some F.A.T relievers, though.

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 10:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone needs to gif

I’m in ur roster, stealing ur talentz.

on a pic of Friedman

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 10:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This sounds like a good trade...

I wish Edwin the best, great person always signed or talked to me and did give me the champagne bottle when they clinched playoffs. Wish him the best.

Joyce seems good from what I have read.

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by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 10:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Great trade. Sad to see the person go, the player not as much

by rglass44 on Dec 10, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Best part about this trade

is the money that will still be available to use on relief and a DH. It’s so funny the difference a year or 2 makes. I would like to read this blog at this time 2 years ago (even last year). Totally different conversations. This is awesome!

by FLBoy84 on Dec 10, 2008 11:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

so who do we want the most out of the DH possibilities?

bradley,giambi,dunn,abreu or ibanez?

me i want bradley the most out of all of them.

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 11:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bradley plz!!!

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by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley

Giambi is a close 2nd. The other 3 are acceptable but not ideal options.

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 11:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My rankings.

Bradley
Giambino
Dunn
Abreu

DROP

Ibanez

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let an NL team take him

For some reason a few are still high on him

by Albertrayon on Dec 10, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the Cubs take anybody, to be honest

Unless its like a 1 year signing like Abreu.

I think Mets get Ibanez.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Please that would be hilarious....

I could give my mets fan friend a text every time Raul throws a lawn dark/run past ball/ fall

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09: This one is for all the rings.

by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is retarded.....

He wants them to get D-Train because he has “some left in the tank still”

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09: This one is for all the rings.

by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes....

That is the type of baseball talk I have to deal with my friends at college. They also hate on BJ Upton except I almost made a girl cry when I pointed out BJ has the same amount of playoff homers as A-rod in way less playoff time.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.

by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hence why I can't wait for break.

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09: This one is for all the rings.

by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't talk baseball with most of my college friends.

Although that probably has to do with my not being much of a sociable person. Except when drunk.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am starting to not want to talk sports....

especially when one thinks Kerry Collins should be the MVP, thinks Jeter is the best defensive SS in the game and hate on Upton. :(

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.

by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I talk football when I do talk.

although I am a very, very casual football fan.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Football is annoying....

All results based analysis. I would talk basketball but no one likes it here. I am apparently “want to be black” for listening to hip hop, liking BJ Upton and watching the NBA and college basketball.

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by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. Decreasing faith in the value of everyday conversation

I’ve gotten the “wannabe black” label for my musical preferences as well.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is very annoying....

they also make fun of my hat collection but my roommate spends 500 dollars on a jacket he wears once a year in Florida….wtf. People are so dumb.

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by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but Florida.....

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by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I need to find a cheap one.

Yay having never lived in places that actually get cold in winter and family deciding to move up to Virginia. And me spending a good portion of winter break up there with them.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL.

People, people.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And my roommate is def having his gf be naked on video chat...

he made it so i can’t see screen.

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09: This one is for all the rings.

by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

run over there and check that shit out!

is she hot?

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 11:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

She is meh...

face is like a dude.

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by SRQman on Dec 11, 2008 12:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

espn has announced it now too

at least steve bertumane says rays fans dont worry about david price not being in the rotation to start next year.

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 11, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol how in the hell do you even do that?

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 11:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I could also see the Reds getting in the Raul bidding

especially since Jocketty isn’t smart enough to move EE to LF where he belongs.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I want Ibanez in NL....

I want more lawn darts.

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by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and running right past the ball as well

sorry i forgot about us lossing the 1st rd pick if we sign ibanez, 1st time that this team is eligible to loss their 1st rd pick if they sign a type A free agent

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The best is when they show him after a mistake and he just stands there like

“wtf?!”

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by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm is this another Bay tease?

MLBtr says its not complete and its not on ESPN. I just get worried easily, its probably fine.

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 11:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Alright lets take it easy

Word is, we are just working out the last kinks of the deal and Ray officials confirm there is a deal that is at least close. MLBtr is my source.

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh, why?

He maybe hits lefties a little better than Gross, but he doesn’t hit righties much better (if at all) than Gross and he still can’t hit lefties very well, not to mention that his major league stats are out of line with his minor league stats (other than 2008).

Not a fan at all if this happens. Would rather have had Cruz.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 11:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

BTW

In AAA, he had a .656 OPS against lefties. In AA, it was about equal. In A ball, his OPS against lefties was about .150 lower than against righties. He was pretty much strictly platooned in the majors. This seems 100% like duplicating Gross to me.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 11:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Other than the age

It’s not like Gross is 35 or something though. Unless Joyce has some unforeseen improvement, we’re going to have two different corner outfielders who:

- Are left-handed
- Play good but not great defense
- Have low batting averages
- Take a fair number of walks
- Have averagish speed
- Have good power for a centerfielder but mediocre power for a corner outfielder
- Can’t hit lefty pitching

I still don’t see the real upgrade to next year’s team, other than saving about a half million because we can just nontender Gross. And it’s a massive waste of roster space to have two of this kind of player on the same roster if they don’t.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 11:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

man i am going to be pissed if this happens again.

reporters always want to be the 1st to report something and end up just reporting something stupid or untrue, such as when the reds traded for ramon hernandez yesterday, and some stupid reporter in seattle reported that they sign livan hernandez and said that he got the 1st name mixed up.

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 11:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

9:55pm: Marc Topkin says the final details are being worked out in this trade. Bill Chastain’s Rays source says they don’t have a completed trade. The Rays would add an outfielder and save a few million with the deal.

perhaps ruggiano?

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 11:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yep

We are only trading Edwin

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 11:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa, whoa. No.

Putz would’ve went to Detroit.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know.

I think the stick up was Larrish and Joyce both being dealt.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what is detriot doing about 3rd next year? brandon inge?

because i have heard that they are moving carlos guillen to LF the other day

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll report, since nobody reads up

If this trade goes through, we will have two corner outfielders who:

- Are left-handed
- Play good but not great defense
- Have low batting averages
- Take a fair number of walks
- Have averagish speed
- Have good power for a centerfielder but mediocre power for a corner outfielder
- Can’t hit lefty pitching

I still don’t see the real upgrade to next year’s team, other than saving the money on Jackson. And it’s a massive waste of roster space to have two of this kind of player on the same roster if they don’t.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 11:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not by much

And it’s not hard to outslug Gross and last year’s version of Crawford. He still only has Damon Hollins level power.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think a decent offensive comp

might be Bubba Trammell. Obviously he’s better defensively, but nobody really expects Joyce to hit much better than he did last year.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 11:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that

But we could have gotten something less redundant in return.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess

I mean the trade doesn’t make me jump with excitement but I don’t think it’s something to be upset about either.

by mittens on Dec 10, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like who straight up for ed?

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 11, 2008 3:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like you I am not convinced of anything yet

I think we will have to wait and see if this is a good move. I’m just neutral about it now, except for two things.

1) Could we have used Edwin in another trade, or package?
2) We did gain about 2 mil. That could be good.

by plasticman on Dec 10, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, hold on.

The M’s went from an awful defensive outfield to one of the best within a month.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

chavez,ichiro and gutierrez right?

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's done.
The Rays are set to send 14-game winner Edwin Jackson to the Tigers for 24-year-old outfielder Matt Joyce, a Tampa native.

The deal, which was first reported by Fox Sports, will be officially announced at 11:30 p.m. ET.

Drew

Eduardo Morlan = God.

by Devilray187 on Dec 10, 2008 11:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Congrats from Tigerdom

We Tigers fans grew to love Joyce pretty quickly, he came up with several big hits. Those of on the SB Nation Tiger page had taken to calling him Thundercat.

by ThaWalrus9 on Dec 10, 2008 11:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Edwin is, uh, interesting.

If you like guys who throw hard, he’s your guy. But he’s going to walk a ton. to his credit he did get a ton of DPs. Luck or skill? No idea.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

His numbers (walks) are a bit scary. Tigers have 3 outfielders locked up through 2011 and a lot of question marks in their rotation. I think this deal could work out well for both sides.

by ThaWalrus9 on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dealing strength from strength.

Perhaps Edwin works out as a reliever. He’s a good guy.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

Tigers’ll start him. They have Dontrelle Willis who was a trainwreck last year and Nate Robertson who had the worst ERA in baseball. Edwin is probably a big step up from either of those two.

by ThaWalrus9 on Dec 10, 2008 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what this is like?

A girl promising you sex and just talking to you for like an hour or 2 first

Not another cock tease, MAKE IT OFFICIAL NOW OR SOMEONE WILL GET HURT

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 11:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yo we got that sex.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.

by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In that case

a) YAY
b) give DH to Aybar and put all our money towards a BJ extension!

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We sign BJ

I will explode like I just got a BJ

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.

by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

B B B B B B B B B B B

Although if B fails, then get the DH.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been there before.

And, we just got laid.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like it.

I’d obviously like to see him improve on his hitting of left-handed pitching; that’s for sure. I am also worried about his lack of power in the last two months of the season — he didn’t have a HR in the whole month of September. Still, he is young, and I think he will improve. Plus, the Rays get six years of him, and he’s going to free up about $2 million, which we can certainly use on bullpen help or a DH.

Drew

Eduardo Morlan = God.

by Devilray187 on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry people were going crazy last February

thinking we didn’t get enough for DY. I like how that turned out

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 11, 2008 3:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess my problem is that I think we need an impact guy

Matt Joyce is a nice piece, but I wish we could’ve traded Edwin and a prospect or two for a more impact bat in RF(and I don’t mean Jeremy Hermida). Now, I have no idea if this was possible, but I dunno, we have the ammo to get an impact guy and I think we should do that.

www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!

by Imperialism32 on Dec 10, 2008 11:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also, the big problem isn't just having the pieces to trade for a big bat

It’s being able to afford it. We can afford one for DH. For RF we have to rely on younger cheaper guys that might not be everything you want, but are still an upgrade over what you have

by Albertrayon on Dec 10, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Impact players cost money

we don’t want to spend any

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 11, 2008 3:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The official site is now reporting that it's done.

Borat voice I liiiiiiiiiiiike.

Drew

Eduardo Morlan = God.

by Devilray187 on Dec 10, 2008 11:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

VERY NICE! HOW MUCH? (mr. bradley)

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by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Grand.

Great job by Friedman. Seriously, the patience the Rays showed with Jackson was unreal. It has certainly been rewarded. Just think, the Rays wouldn’t have gotten shit last year for Jackson. Bravo, Mr. Friedman. Bravo.

Drew

Eduardo Morlan = God.

by Devilray187 on Dec 10, 2008 11:52 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

nice trade for you guys

I’m a Tigers fan who is not a fan of this trade. Joyce doesn’t have star potential but I believe he’ll be a solid regular outfielder with good power and a decent glove. I’m not too excited about Jackson. I know he supposedly has upside but i don’t like the statistical indicators.

by LPanas on Dec 11, 2008 12:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey.

Is Dave Dombrowski allergic to pre-arb/“unproven”/guys with very little MLB track record guys or something? He’s been shipping them out like flies since last offseason. Although a few of the trades were smart (Laird) on the Tigers’ behalf.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 11, 2008 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright can someone give me a link to it being official?

Rotoworld and MLBtr don’t think it is and I would like to rest easy !

by joeybw on Dec 11, 2008 12:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

nevermind, found one with quotes from Dombrowski and Friedman

yayayyayayayayayaya

I thought it was Bay version 2.0 except this time we wouldnt of lost 2 spects and money

by joeybw on Dec 11, 2008 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can you post the link for the rest of us?

www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!

by Imperialism32 on Dec 11, 2008 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meet me at Mons Venus in 30?

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.

by SRQman on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So I'm new here....

But has anyone considered Bobby Kielty for the 4th OF spot for TB in 2009? Or is that just retarded?

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, forgot about Zobrist. Thanks for reminding me.

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Dec 11, 2008 12:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine the perfect move

And then read this quote and realize it came true

The Rays’ trade of Edwin Jackson on Wednesday opens up a spot in Tampa Bay’s rotation, presumably for David Price.
Price may have to battle for the job in spring training, but the main reason the Rays were willing to move a starter was because they wanted to make room for Price. Expect him to begin the year as the fifth starter. The trade also would seem to ensure that Andy Sonnanstine will stay put.

by joeybw on Dec 11, 2008 12:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Courtesy of MGL

who is no fan of Jackson

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Dec 11, 2008 12:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

On Rotoworld

Edwin Jackson no longer says Rays next to him.

Thank you so much Santa!

but we aint done and rotoworld even mentions we can probably afford Bradley or Giambi now

by joeybw on Dec 11, 2008 12:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Flame away...

but this was a big mistake.

by save_the_trop on Dec 11, 2008 12:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

flaming wont happen (sounds wrong)

As a few people already don’t like the move.

I think it’s awesome, Jackson was useless and nerve racking.

by joeybw on Dec 11, 2008 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Flame away? Like this?

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Dec 11, 2008 12:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can anyone just run down the pros and cons of this trade?

I know everyone is very excited (or not), but there have to be two sides to this trade.

by plasticman on Dec 11, 2008 1:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sure.

Pros:
- Joyce is young, probably has roof of Jayson Werth
- No more Edwin
- More Price
- Joyce is an upgrade over Gross
- Joyce is under control for six years
- Edwin will make more money than Joyce
- Edwin is not good

Cons:
- Joyce’s power is up for debate
- Amount of upgrade is up for debate

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 11, 2008 1:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What's next!

- Gross is unnecessary now —> Trade him for a good prospect
- We need a RH-Hitter who could also play RF if Joyce, Zobrist and our 4th outfielder (Ruggiano or FPerez) suck against lefties. And for this role I would highly prefer (in order):
1. Baldelli
2. Bradley
- Bullpen help:
1. one cheap late inning guy maybe … how is Akinori Otsuka doing by the way?
2. A leftie (Rheinecker, Shouse, Rhodes)

by BurGi on Dec 11, 2008 4:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wow!

I woke up this morning with both both happiness and confusion. I’m a Rays fan but a Michigan native born into Tigers baseball and will always follow them and root for them when the games they play don’t affect the Rays standings.

I watched quite a bit of pathetic Tiger baseball last year and I was really impressed with Joyce. I thought the Tigers felt he was a key player in their future and I’m VERY shocked to see they traded him, especially for Edwin.

It seems the Tigers like pitchers who can throw hard and fast with no movement (Farnsworth) so maybe Edwin is a good fit for them. Maybe he’d have better there before they brought the fences in a little, or maybe the Tigers see something in his mechanics that we didn’t notice, or maybe the Tigers just got robbed. I tend to believe the latter.

This is another very impressive move by the Rays front office. Now, if they sign Bradley I’ll be incredibly stoked!

by floridaroar on Dec 11, 2008 8:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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