The Rule 5 Draft/Day Four Thread
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 11, 2008 8:00 AM EST
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PrintMLB will hold its annual Rule 5 Draft today from 11:30 a.m. to 3 p.m. ET. Normally, we'd be looking for somebody that could help the Rays long term, but don't expect much this year. In fact, it looks like the Rays have more to lose(Eduardo Morlan) than they stand to gain.
It's unlikely the Rays make a selection and even more unlikely they keep somebody on the roster all season. The Rays also will not be picking at the top of the draft this year, which will limit their options even more. But nonetheless here are few names to keep an eye on tomorrow.
Don Veal LHP, Cubs
Veal is a popular name headed into the draft. He was the Cubs 2nd round pick in 2005 and was the number two prospect in the organization after 2006. Since then he's been unimpressive as a starter.
The Good: In 2008 he held LHB to a .221 average with an 8.63 K/9. He also didn't allow a HR to a lefty all season. He has a plus fastball and a nice curve.
The Bad: He's posted back to back 10 loss, 4.8 + tRA* seasons in Double-A, but as a LOOGY he is could be an option. He's not likely to be available when the Rays are on the clock.
Ryan Mullins LHP, Twins
Mullins was the Twins 3rd rd pick in 2005 out of David Price's alma mater, Vanderbilt. He's had decent success as a starter in the Twins system and reached Triple-A in 2007. He spent all of 2008 in Double-A and had another average to below season. He has good size; 6-6, 180, but not overpowering stuff. His fastball is 89-91, but he mixes in a slider and a change up. Like Veal, he may not be that good of a starter, but alas he is a candidate for a LOOGY role.
The Good: He carried a .204 avg against vs LHB in 2008. He also does a pretty good job of keeping the ball on the ground with a 52% GB rate against lefties.
The Bad: Had a 5.42 tRA* in his repeat year of Double-A. Also his FIP of 4.72 isn't pretty. K/BB rate is less than desirable.
Brad Kilby LHP, Athletics
Kilby could be some what of a hidden gem in this years draft. He was selected in the 29th rd of the 2005 draft by the A's and has been a pretty effective reliever in their system. He doesn't have a great arm as he tops out around 90, but he has been effective at getting K's.
The Good: He spent all of 2008 with Oakland's Triple-A affiliate in Sacramento where he had a K/9 of 8.49. This includes an impressive SwStr% of 11.9. In 2007, he struck out 69 batters in 65.2 innings at AA. Kilby definitely fits the LOOGY role the Rays are looking to fill. In 2008 his BAA vs left handed batters was .183. He has a deceptive delivery and has been durable thus far. A lefty handed reliever who gets K's, is effective vs. lefties and cheap.
The Bad: He is a mainly fly ball pitcher and his HR/9 was 1.16 last year, however, only one of his nine home runs given up was hit by a lefty. His FIP jumped from 3.38 in Double-A to 4.23 in Triple-A and his LOB% dropped from 80.2% to 69.7%
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Where would Rocco go?
The Red Sox are having discussions with the Diamondbacks about a Julio Lugo-for-Eric Byrnes swap. Brynes would serve as a fourth outfielder for Boston; Lugo would play second base for the Diamondbacks.
Friedman on the Rule 5
The Rays find themselves picking 28th in the Draft, and Friedman said they have a couple of guys “we’re interested in.”
“We think that there’s a decent scenario that one of the guys we’re interested in gets to us,” Friedman said. “And if so, we’ll be aggressive in selecting him, and if not, it wouldn’t be a big issue for us.”
Brad Kilby?
“I would not be surprised if we had anywhere from one to three guys taken.”
While Ryu is still here.
I don't have a problem leaving Morlan unprotected. But Ryu?
by walkoffwalk on Dec 11, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know.
We’ll probably DFA Ryu next.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 11, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Remember
Without Ryu there would have been no Price in the playoffs. Maybe they are keeping him around for next year’s playoffs?
by rays_world_champs on Dec 11, 2008 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
His velocity is back to 89-92 in winter ball.
But not the mid-90’s it was 2 seasons ago.
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Mullins
Mullins looked like a poor man’s Mark Hendrickson (tall, lanky, so-so stuff) in college and it sounds like nothing has changed.
But he can always brag about pitching ahead of David Price and Jensen Lewis (until Mullins was suspended for a DWI) in the 2005 Vanderbilt rotation.
Seems like everyone is drooling over Veal.
If we select someone
I suspect it will be someone who signed early as a minor league free agent rather than a prospect who hasn’t hit the bigs yet. I could be wrong though, especially if there’s a good looking backup catcher available.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
I'm trying to find the funniest names.
Work is slow today.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 11, 2008 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Trading for a Pitcher
Dont know if any of you caught it yet today, but on the Heater blog Friedman said:
“In addition to the bat the Rays are looking for, Friedman said the Rays have had talks toward shoring up the bullpen, but Friedman indicated that help might be more likely to come via trade. Why? The Rays aren’t sure exactly where Troy Percival will stand to start the season, and they’d like to have somebody around they could use to fill in but also option down if and when Percival is ready. They wouldn’t be able to do that with a veteran free agent type.”
So I guess that means we wont be getting an established veteran relievers, but could be a good young talented reliever will limited major league experience.
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 11, 2008 10:44 AM EST reply actions
You dont trade SP prospects
for loogys
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 11, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
especially one with a career
OPS against of .737 vs LH and
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 11, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
The only guys I could even see us thinking about maybe??
OF- Shaun Cumberland
LHP- Tyler Pelland
RHP- Mike Macdougal
OF- Danny Putnam
Util- Brett Dowdy
OF- Ben Harrison
1B/DH- Brad Eldred
but I don’t really see anyone on the list that would take a roster spot away from who we already have
ugh
The Yankees have jumped back into the running for free agent Mark Teixeira, according to SI.com’s Jon Heyman.
The Yankees won’t let the Red Sox scoop up a big time free agent without a fight. With the Yanks now in the mix, Teixeira’s price could hit the $200 million mark. The Orioles and Nationals are also heavily involved in negotiations. The Angels might also make an effort to bring him back.
Am I the only one who doesn't really care where Teixeira lands?
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 11, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I mean I'd like him out of the East, but I'm not really concerned with it.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 11, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
He's the one player you don't want the Yankees to get.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 11, 2008 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I'd like to sign with the Nats, but I'm not going to be trembling in my boots if he signs in the East
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 11, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
THIS * 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
That way he’d be out of the AL, and I’d actually get to see one decent player when I go to Nats games.
tampabay.com
by CEW Dec 11, 2008 9:07 AM
Rays will regret this move. You don’t trade a pitcher with this much talent for prospect RF.
by Mike Dec 11, 2008 9:07 AM
Who??? Rays got shafted
Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 11, 2008 11:06 AM EST reply actions
Most people are stupid.
Read the MLBTr comments. Apparently the Edwin Jackson irrational love is far extending.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 11, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, those comments make my day.
The ones I love most are when the crazy’s get on there and say how much professional sports is ruining the world and how the millions the players make should go to teachers, first responders and the homeless.
Nut-jobs.
Same people who are dead set against a new stadium but will never attend a game no matter where they play.
Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 11, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
My favorites:
glad to see tampa sell out on the young arms that made them so successful in the first place
Posted by: jedstylesux | December 10, 2008 at 08:50 PM
They couldve gotten J Dye!!
Posted by: ballerwhiteboy | December 10, 2008 at 08:58 PM
im not a fan of either team but ithink this is a pretty even trade. the rays get a RF which is probally there biggest needs and the tigers get a solid consistent pitcher in the middle of there staff
Posted by: shaneg | December 10, 2008 at 09:07 PM
it says the Rays added an outfielder to the deal save a few million. I checked the payroll for the Rays and the only OF making over 1 mil is Carl Crawford..could he be the guy??
Posted by: GoBlue4Life | December 10, 2008 at 10:11 PM
The last one slays me. It’s like there’s absolutely zero logic on player value. Crawfor and Jackson for Joyce? Come on…
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 11, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Bobby Abreu and his agents haven’t heard from the Yankees since the season ended, but the free-agent outfielder is garnering interest from several teams. The White Sox seem to have the inside track, according to a source familiar with the situation, but Chicago would have to trade Jermaine Dye before signing Abreu.
The Rays have also expressed interest in Abreu, although Tampa Bay won’t offer the kind of money he’s looking for. A source also said Johan Santana is trying to push the Mets to make a move for Abreu.
Johan and Abreu are countrymen, right?
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 11, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Thought so.
Haven’t people said the Met clubhouse is too Latino filled? Not that I agree, but Abreu going there would give them more ammo.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 11, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Omar wants Wheeler for the 7th now?
Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 11, 2008 11:31 AM EST reply actions
it's easy to stash a reliever. they can put him on the DL, or save him for mop-up duty.
by walkoffwalk on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
well, if he doesnt say on the active roster all year, he is returned to us
the easiest way out of that is to DL the guy
Or work out a trade
The Pirates eventually demoted Meek, but instead of sending him back they traded us some cash.
But the player still has to be active on the majors roster
for at least 1/2 a season, so the time requirement rolls over to the next year.
Can’t DL a guy all year and just keep him.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Dec 11, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know if this has been posted yet
From Perrotto
The White Sox and Rays are the leading contenders to sign free-agent outfielder Bobby Abreu.
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