The Winter Meetings Wrap-Up Thread
Ok, it's been an action packed four days of winter meetings. It's time to gather up everything in one nice recap and see where we stand.
Day One
- The Rays were quiet until late afternoon Eastern Time when it was announced that Milton Bradley ate Pizza and French Onion soup with the Rays.
- The Rays also signed minor leaguer Paul Phillips, the pitcher.
- We learned that Griffey wanted to be the next Raymond.
Day Two
- Delmon Young coming back was the hot topic, but that was shot down quickly.
- The Rays and Cardinals had discussions. The suggested names were Rick Ankiel and Ryan Ludwick
- Jason Giambi and The Rays chewed the fat at N9ne steakhouse.
Day Three
- The Rays liked Nelson Cruz, but so do the Texas Rangers.
- The Marlins offered Jeremy Hermida for two pitching prospects and got the no thx.
- The Rays have interest in Griffey. Position, DH or Mascot, unknown.
- Bobby Abreu's agent met with the Rays and it appears the Rays and the White Sox are the front runners for his services.
- In the biggest Rays news from the meetings, the Rays traded Edwin Jackson, who was proclaimed in 2003 as the best Dodger pitching prospect since Pedro Martinez, to the Detroit Tigers. It's only fitting that his last regular appereance came in Detroit and saw him blow a two-run lead only to get lucky enough to later win the game and tie the franchise record for wins in a season.
- The return for Jackson is Matt Joyce, a Tampa native with good power and is an above average corner outfielder. The Rays get six years of team control for what Dave Cameron calls "essentially, a left-handed Werth - a guy who can play very good defense in a corner OF spot, has gap power and will walk occasionally, but whose lower contact rate will always keep his average down. "
- Oh and he rescues kittens. P Brady would be proud.
Day Four
- The Rule 5 Draft took place and as expected Eduardo Morlan was selected. Morlan is now property of the Brewers, but could still land back with the Rays at some point.
- The Rays selected RHP, Derek Rodriguez, who oddly enough could be the loogy the Rays need. Here is what Andrew Friedman had to say about him.
"We feel like he’s got an advanced feel for pitching," Friedman said. "He changes arm angles, he changes speeds, he misses bats. We’ve got numerous reports that he makes hitters uncomfortable in the box with the different things that he does and we’re anxious to get him into big-league camp and get a look at him firsthand."
Friedman said Rodriguez will definitely be given a chance to make the team.
"I don’t think we would have taken him if we weren’t intrigued enough to give him a real opportunity," Friedman said. "What will happen remains to be seen, and some of that will be dictated by what we do between now and then. But as we stand here today we’re excited to add him and feel like he’s got a very legitimate chance to come in and earn a job."
- In news that just makes you smile, Marc Topkin shares this.
Probably the most interesting thing Friedman said is that he thinks the Rays can be "competitive" in bidding for the free-agent hitters. The Rays have not made a formal offer for any of them, thus far just talking parameters.
All in all it was a crazy rumor filled week. The Yanks got Sabathia and made offers to every possible free agent pitcher. The Mets got K-Rod and then traded for a better closer the next day, but will use him as a set up man. The Red Sox really didn't do anything and the Rays got stronger in two areas with one move.
The Rays still have a few holes, including DH, a possible right handed bat in the outfield, and maybe a bullpen arm or two, but do you know the best part of this whole week? The Rays are players, serious players. We all felt great after the successful on the field season, but hearing the words: Rays, competitive and free agents in the same sentences just makes it even better.
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From what I understand
is it true that if a hitters wOBA is significants higher than his OBP, that there is untapped power potential? And in the same sense, if the wOBA is lower than the OBP, then some of the hitters power is misleading.
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 11, 2008 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
If wOBA = OBA, that means the player's skills are in similar proportation to normal players.
If wOBA > OBA, more of his value is in power (ISO) than OBP.
If wOBA < OBP, more of his value is in OBP than power.
Of course, knowing OBP and SLG will tell you exactly the same thing.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
So then
if Joyce’s wOBA is noticably higher than his OBP, then most of his value is in his power? However, he still looks good for 50+ walks a year, which is above average. Is it possible he has above average power and on base ability, but his power is a greater assett?
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 11, 2008 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
How dare you forget this smile!

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
One thing:
We heard no news of Joyce until the deal was completed, much like every other deal that this FO has orchestrated. Two names have been surprisingly quiet so far: Dunn and Burrell. Hmmmmmmmmmmm….

YES YES YES YES YES
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
I almost think I'd rather have Bradley.
Especially if either of these guys are insistant on playing the OF like both of them remarked near the end of last year.
I want Dunn or Bradley.
In no real order they both make me happy. Burrell would make me happy but not as happy as the other two.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
mine
Bradley
Dunn
Burrell
Giambino
…. abreu doesn’t interest me much for some reason. sure i’ll be pleased if we get him for a good deal, but i feel like Bradley will be the best bargain out of these choices
Burrell
destroys em.
the way you put it, i was thinking it was abreu.
…and oh my, Bradley did a 1.127 OPS vs LHP last season… check plz.
.386 BABIP 2008 vs. LHP
career .890 OPS versus LHP. Still very good, but I think him and Burrell should be our top options depending on price – we need some more power from that side ot the plate, espeacially with the acquisition of Joyce.
yeah i changed my mind
switch burrell and dunn… i like dunn’s personality, but this ain’t about personality. this is about who’s gonna destroy Sabathia in the new yankee stadium
lol
looking like Will Ferrell implies personality….
IF only Harry Carey could be arounde for Kosuke.
by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 11, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
hey i've seen him at the ballpark
he time i was there at least, he was definitely having fun around the fans… and didn’t he make a masturbatory reference with Griffey that one time?
All of them should/will be made clear that they will never see any time in the OF.
They can take their happy fat immobile asses to the NL if they want that. I heard the Cubbies are interested.
Dude. This.
but Raul....
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
I want lawn darts
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
True forgot about Vladdy
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
Well not about him just the fact his knees are going to hell.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
From Perrotto's Chat Today
Aaron (YYZ): What’s the point of the Rays leaving Morlan unprotected just so they can snag some other random pitcher from the ChiSox to stash in their bullpen?
John Perrotto: The Rays acutally drafted a shortstop. Still, I was quite surprised Morlan was left unprotected and even more surprised he lasted until the 16th pick. He’s a nice acquisition for the Brewers.
Later in the chat,
someone corrected him and he owned up to his mistake. Here is that piece:
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"Aaron (YYZ): Eh? The mlb tracker says: Pick# 19 Derek Rodriguez RHP, by Tampa Bay, from Chicago (AL)
John Perrotto: I just double checked and he is indeed a right-handed pitcher. They announced him as a shortstop at the draft and I didn’t see the actually printed list. Now, leaving Morlan unprotected really makes no sense."
Not the best example
but Ruddy Lugo has a career OPS against of .654 against lefties. Maybe he should be a loogy too.
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 11, 2008 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he should learn to read first.
Dr. Seuss books are far too advanced for him.
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