DRaysBay Community Prospect #10

by Brickhaus on Dec 18, 2008 5:26 AM EST Comment 42 comments

Fernando Perez narrowly takes #9.

DRaysBay Community Top 25:

David Price (LHP)
Wade Davis (RHP)
Tim Beckham (SS)
Jeremy Hellickson (RHP)
Reid Brignac (SS)
Desmond Jennings (CF)
Jacob McGee (LHP)
Jeff Niemann (RHP)
Fernando Perez (CF)

A list of players who may potentially garner consideration, especially if we decide to go deeper than 25 (please let me know in the comments if you think there is anyone else who should be added):

C: John Jaso, Jacob Jeffries, Mike McCormick, Matt Spring, Nevin Ashley, Mark Thomas

1B: Rhyne Hughes, Gabriel Martinez, Eligio Sonoqui, Michael Sheridan

2B: Elliot Johnson, Elias Otero, Josh Asanovich, Jeremy Beckham

SS: Neil Walton, Sean O'Malley

3B: Chris Nowak, Burt Reynolds, Greg Sexson

Corner OF: Ryan Royster, Justin Ruggiano, Sergio Pedroza, Reid Fronk, KD Kang, Jason Corder

CF: John Matulia, Emeel Salem, Anthony Scelfo, DJ Jones, Ty Morrison

RHP: Alex Cobb, Heath Rollins, Ryan Reid, Nick Barnese, Greg Dupas, Wade Townsend, Matthew Walker, Richard De Los Santos, Mitch Talbot, Christopher Mason, Tyree Hayes, Marquis Fleming, Joseph Cruz, Albert Suarez, Will Kline, Derek Rodriguez, Dale Thayer, Austin Hinkle

LHP: Matthew Moore, James Houser, Chuck Tiffany, Michael Wlodarczyk, Glenn Gibson, Kyle Lobstein, David Newmann

I also want to apologize about being slow in putting up new polls. Work has been obliterating me lately. It's 5:30 am and I'm still at work now.

Poll

Who is the Rays' #10 prospect?

Nick Barnese

30 votes

John Jaso

11 votes

Mitch Talbot

7 votes

Matthew Moore

20 votes

Dale Thayer

0 votes

Kyle Lobstein

3 votes

Reid Fronk

2 votes

Justin Ruggiano

3 votes

James Houser

0 votes

Other (Please specify)

2 votes

78 votes | Poll has closed

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FWIW

I rank Moore ahead of Barnese. Barnese is a level higher while only being 6 months older, but relative to what other guys have done in Princeton versus what other guys have done in Hudson Valley, Moore’s stats seem more impressive to me. Also, a lefty who pumps mid-90’s fastballs is a rarer commodity than a righty with a low-90’s sinker with good movement.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 18, 2008 5:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

BARNESE

This is really starting to get down to the bottom.

by Longo4MVP on Dec 18, 2008 5:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

No, when we are voting for guys who are roster fillers, then we have hit the bottom.

I know it’s fun to remind myself of how much good talent the Rays have in the minors.

In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 18, 2008 6:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

FTFY

I know it’s fun to remind myself of how much good pitching the Rays have in the minors.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 18, 2008 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

and rec'd

by joeybw on Dec 18, 2008 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

FTFY?

Subtitles please.

In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 18, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

fixed that for you

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 18, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

gracias

In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 18, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You don't think the Rays have an abundance of good hitters?

(I don’t really know, I’m just asking.)

Mariners ----> Brewers.

by Taylor H on Dec 18, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not in the minor league system

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Dec 19, 2008 7:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It seems like we have good athletes like Fernando and DJ,

and perhaps we are greedy after seeing the talent come through, but there isn’t another Longo, or a Jay Bruce, Chase Headley, Matt LaPorta coming through. Then again, most teams don’t have those guys and that is what makes them so special. So as I talk out of both sides of my mouth let me finish by saying that maybe that is our point. Pitching is constantly getting recycled and is too expensive on the market, but once you have a good hitter he is locked in for a long time.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 19, 2008 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure, I understand that.

You guys don’t have a Truinfel equivalent at the moment, then?

Mariners ----> Brewers.

by Taylor H on Dec 19, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Beckham.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 19, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I am going back to Moore

and not leaving him til he wins….which hopefully will be this round.

by joeybw on Dec 18, 2008 9:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I really like these two

Barnese:
2007: 18® FIP 2.26
2008: 19 (A-) 1.99

Moore:
2007: 17® 3.64
2008: 18® 1.64

Both have killer k/9 (>11), and neither walk that much. Any chance they both start in A ball next year?

The best part is looking at our top 11 (assuming these two are 10 and 11) compared to other systems. WOW.

For the record, I voted for Barnese just because he’s a little more proven, but it was a toss-up to me. I also have both of these guys ahead of Perez.

by rglass44 on Dec 18, 2008 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Those aren't registered trademarks. They should be "Rs" in parantheses.

by rglass44 on Dec 18, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Moore was in the minors when he was 17?

by rays1234 on Dec 18, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Moore turns 20 in June this year

So he played almost all of 2007 at age 18, and almost all of last year at age 19.

www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!

by Imperialism32 on Dec 18, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They are still his ages 17 and 18 season.

Which is fairly stupid.

by rglass44 on Dec 19, 2008 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They should both start in Bowling Green, IMO

I know they usually don’t skip guys(like skipping Moore over Hudson Valley) but I think they’ll hold both of them back in XST for a month to keep their innings controlled a bit, and then get them to Bowling Green.

If I recall, they held Hellickson back in 2007 before sending him to Columbus(unless there was an injury that I’m forgetting).

www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!

by Imperialism32 on Dec 18, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hellickson did have an injury

Sore shoulder.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Dec 18, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, thought there might be something.

I still think it wouldn’t be a bad idea to hold Barnese and Moore in XST for a month.

www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!

by Imperialism32 on Dec 19, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I wish we had more hitters that deserved to be top 10

Shame Joyce had too many AB’s last season….

by joeybw on Dec 18, 2008 10:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

He will still be a rookie going into this year

Which means we have him for 6 years at least, Glorrrious

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 18, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nah, it was close but I think he had too many AB's

He isn’t a rookie anymore

by joeybw on Dec 18, 2008 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It doesn't matter, we'll have 6 more years of him.

If we didn’t sign Longoria to a LTD he would still have been under team control for 6 more years because of how the service time rules work.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Dec 18, 2008 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah this is what I was referring to

I wouldn’t realistically expect him to be in the running for ROY. Also, I haven’t read anywhere on his option situation. Anybody got that?

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 18, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He has all three

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 18, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Brick

Nice to know that we also get rid of a guy with no options for a guy with all of them.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 18, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Brick is the man.

Mariners ----> Brewers.

by Taylor H on Dec 19, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's mighty mighty and lettin it all hang out

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 19, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Will Kline?

Whats up with him? He was our #2 pick in the David Price draft. Havn’t eard a thing about him.

by bucpimpin on Dec 18, 2008 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Hurt.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 18, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

is he a bum now? Does he still have 2nd round potential?

by bucpimpin on Dec 18, 2008 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Doubt it.

He was a college senior when picked and wasn’t overly impressive then from what I can recall. He had one game where he went bullet for bullet with Price.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 18, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Kline wasn't a college senior

That was Newmann, who hasn’t even thrown a pitch yet after being our fourth rounder. I guess that’s why a pitcher with second round stuff fell to the 4th.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 18, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Huh. Why did I have those two mixed up.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 18, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Both got hurt.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Dec 18, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Year 1 - signed late

Year 2 – blew out his arm early

Who the heck knows what his potential is. He was an overdraft when we picked him initially, and the fact that he wouldn’t even sign for slot and then got hurt really stings a bit.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 18, 2008 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs