DRaysBay Community Prospect #10
by Brickhaus on Dec 18, 2008 5:26 AM EST
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Fernando Perez narrowly takes #9.
DRaysBay Community Top 25:
- David Price (LHP)
- Wade Davis (RHP)
- Tim Beckham (SS)
- Jeremy Hellickson (RHP)
- Reid Brignac (SS)
- Desmond Jennings (CF)
- Jacob McGee (LHP)
- Jeff Niemann (RHP)
- Fernando Perez (CF)
A list of players who may potentially garner consideration, especially if we decide to go deeper than 25 (please let me know in the comments if you think there is anyone else who should be added):
C: John Jaso, Jacob Jeffries, Mike McCormick, Matt Spring, Nevin Ashley, Mark Thomas
1B: Rhyne Hughes, Gabriel Martinez, Eligio Sonoqui, Michael Sheridan
2B: Elliot Johnson, Elias Otero, Josh Asanovich, Jeremy Beckham
SS: Neil Walton, Sean O'Malley
3B: Chris Nowak, Burt Reynolds, Greg Sexson
Corner OF: Ryan Royster, Justin Ruggiano, Sergio Pedroza, Reid Fronk, KD Kang, Jason Corder
CF: John Matulia, Emeel Salem, Anthony Scelfo, DJ Jones, Ty Morrison
RHP: Alex Cobb, Heath Rollins, Ryan Reid, Nick Barnese, Greg Dupas, Wade Townsend, Matthew Walker, Richard De Los Santos, Mitch Talbot, Christopher Mason, Tyree Hayes, Marquis Fleming, Joseph Cruz, Albert Suarez, Will Kline, Derek Rodriguez, Dale Thayer, Austin Hinkle
LHP: Matthew Moore, James Houser, Chuck Tiffany, Michael Wlodarczyk, Glenn Gibson, Kyle Lobstein, David Newmann
I also want to apologize about being slow in putting up new polls. Work has been obliterating me lately. It's 5:30 am and I'm still at work now.
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FWIW
I rank Moore ahead of Barnese. Barnese is a level higher while only being 6 months older, but relative to what other guys have done in Princeton versus what other guys have done in Hudson Valley, Moore’s stats seem more impressive to me. Also, a lefty who pumps mid-90’s fastballs is a rarer commodity than a righty with a low-90’s sinker with good movement.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 18, 2008 5:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
BARNESE
This is really starting to get down to the bottom.
by Longo4MVP on Dec 18, 2008 5:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, when we are voting for guys who are roster fillers, then we have hit the bottom.
I know it’s fun to remind myself of how much good talent the Rays have in the minors.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 18, 2008 6:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FTFY
I know it’s fun to remind myself of how much good pitching the Rays have in the minors.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 18, 2008 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FTFY?
Subtitles please.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 18, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fixed that for you
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 18, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gracias
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 18, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think the Rays have an abundance of good hitters?
(I don’t really know, I’m just asking.)
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 18, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not in the minor league system
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Dec 19, 2008 7:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like we have good athletes like Fernando and DJ,
and perhaps we are greedy after seeing the talent come through, but there isn’t another Longo, or a Jay Bruce, Chase Headley, Matt LaPorta coming through. Then again, most teams don’t have those guys and that is what makes them so special. So as I talk out of both sides of my mouth let me finish by saying that maybe that is our point. Pitching is constantly getting recycled and is too expensive on the market, but once you have a good hitter he is locked in for a long time.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 19, 2008 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, I understand that.
You guys don’t have a Truinfel equivalent at the moment, then?
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 19, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am going back to Moore
and not leaving him til he wins….which hopefully will be this round.
by joeybw on Dec 18, 2008 9:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I really like these two
Barnese:
2007: 18® FIP 2.26
2008: 19 (A-) 1.99
Moore:
2007: 17® 3.64
2008: 18® 1.64
Both have killer k/9 (>11), and neither walk that much. Any chance they both start in A ball next year?
The best part is looking at our top 11 (assuming these two are 10 and 11) compared to other systems. WOW.
For the record, I voted for Barnese just because he’s a little more proven, but it was a toss-up to me. I also have both of these guys ahead of Perez.
by rglass44 on Dec 18, 2008 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Moore was in the minors when he was 17?
by rays1234 on Dec 18, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Moore turns 20 in June this year
So he played almost all of 2007 at age 18, and almost all of last year at age 19.
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Dec 18, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They are still his ages 17 and 18 season.
Which is fairly stupid.
by rglass44 on Dec 19, 2008 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They should both start in Bowling Green, IMO
I know they usually don’t skip guys(like skipping Moore over Hudson Valley) but I think they’ll hold both of them back in XST for a month to keep their innings controlled a bit, and then get them to Bowling Green.
If I recall, they held Hellickson back in 2007 before sending him to Columbus(unless there was an injury that I’m forgetting).
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Dec 18, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hellickson did have an injury
Sore shoulder.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Dec 18, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, thought there might be something.
I still think it wouldn’t be a bad idea to hold Barnese and Moore in XST for a month.
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Dec 19, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we had more hitters that deserved to be top 10
Shame Joyce had too many AB’s last season….
by joeybw on Dec 18, 2008 10:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He will still be a rookie going into this year
Which means we have him for 6 years at least, Glorrrious
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 18, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, it was close but I think he had too many AB's
He isn’t a rookie anymore
by joeybw on Dec 18, 2008 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter, we'll have 6 more years of him.
If we didn’t sign Longoria to a LTD he would still have been under team control for 6 more years because of how the service time rules work.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Dec 18, 2008 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah this is what I was referring to
I wouldn’t realistically expect him to be in the running for ROY. Also, I haven’t read anywhere on his option situation. Anybody got that?
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 18, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has all three
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 18, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Brick
Nice to know that we also get rid of a guy with no options for a guy with all of them.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 18, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brick is the man.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by Taylor H on Dec 19, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's mighty mighty and lettin it all hang out
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 19, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Will Kline?
Whats up with him? He was our #2 pick in the David Price draft. Havn’t eard a thing about him.
by bucpimpin on Dec 18, 2008 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
is he a bum now? Does he still have 2nd round potential?
by bucpimpin on Dec 18, 2008 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it.
He was a college senior when picked and wasn’t overly impressive then from what I can recall. He had one game where he went bullet for bullet with Price.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 18, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kline wasn't a college senior
That was Newmann, who hasn’t even thrown a pitch yet after being our fourth rounder. I guess that’s why a pitcher with second round stuff fell to the 4th.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 18, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Year 1 - signed late
Year 2 – blew out his arm early
Who the heck knows what his potential is. He was an overdraft when we picked him initially, and the fact that he wouldn’t even sign for slot and then got hurt really stings a bit.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 18, 2008 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So he should be fine for the start of this year? Same with Newman?
Its just important we keep the stream of prospects rolling.
by bucpimpin on Dec 18, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It will still be a year recovering from injury
So he probably won’t be back to 100%. Also, the nature of his injury was a type that not many guys come back from successfully.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 18, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was Kline's second big surgery
He had Tommy John surgery in high school, and labrum surgery now. I’m not optimistic about getting anything from him.
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Dec 18, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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