to come up with projections without knowing who will be hitting infront and inback of Longoria

Go get Manny

4/$80 million

Do it—Payroll still below $70 mil, which is bottom third in MLB

when they have no idea where he will be hitting in the lineup, who will be hitting infront of him and who will be hitting behind him

With the 2002 Barry bonds hitting behind him .290/.330/.540
with the 2007 Dioneer Navarro hitting behind him .265/.420/.470

and he will get lots of tail

I received a WARNING for my actions. Can anyone please tell me why i received a warning? Was it due to me using the term “stat head”? The last time i checked that wasnt an insulting term?

RJ would you like to explain how “stat head” is offensive but telling me “Please go back to RBB, you make this entire community’s intelligence level drop everytime you comment.” isnt offensive? So i cant have a different opinion then you??? Wow

back to the topic at hand if RJ allows me to…

So Longo comes up with 1 out……. Upton is on first

Is the pitcher more likely to try and throw pitch that will result in a ground ball for DP. Yes he will. So he is trying to throw a pitch that will result in a ball in play. With Uptons speed the second baseman will have to cover second, leaving a hole open on the right side. Longo grounds a single through the hole.

Result, due to defensive alignment, Longo now has a single.

First and second with one out and Pena is up. Will they be more likely to throw him fatter pitches due to not walking him?

So due to Uptons speed, it left a whole open…now Pena has benefited from this and should see better pitches.

If Navi is up after Longo, they might not be as afraid to walk Longo and instead face Navi and hope to get the DP and get out of the inning.

Dont try to tell me it doesnt matter….go ask ANY ML manager and they will laugh at you if you said it didnt matter who hit infront or behind a hitter.

and i have not said anything offensive. Sorry but i am more oldschool when it comes to my stats and i watch the games to form my views and opinions of what can and will happen.

Still doesnt explain why you would send me a warning for no apparant reason. Why the grudge RJ…do tell?

2001 Barry Bonds go crazy and splits time between batting 3rd and batting 4th

Jeff Kent as well splt between batting 3rd and 4th http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=kentje01&year=2002

batting 3rd his stats were

ABS 305 / AVG .333 / OBP .387 / SLG .667 with 22 HRs

Batting 4th

ABS 376 / AVG .297 / OBP .354 / SLG .484 with 15 HRs

So from those numbers he drastically benefited from Bonds hitting behind him…is that fair enough to say?

He was a much better hitter while hitting in the number 3 hole last years versus batting in the 4 hole. Why is that? Was it due to Longo hitting behind or Upton hitting infront of him?

3rd slot
ABS 281 / AVG .245 / OBP .416 / SLG .566

4th slot
ABS 249 / AVG .257 / OBP .349 / SLG .421

I have stayed focus on this topic, yet it seems that some on here need to resort to name calling or trying to make fun of someone to get their point across.

And no RJ, it is not cherry picking cause just as easily as you guys have posted links, i have found examples to show flaws in your theories.

You (the vast majority of this board) disagree with me and I disagree with you. But does that mean I am some kind of trolling nutcase? No, just that I view this differently than you guys do.

So I will speak to you guys as adults and i would hope you would do the same and not try to use analogies in a way to try to show that “i just dont get it”

I think Evan becomes a more patient hitter this year, looking at his stats it seems like once he becomes comfortable at a “level” of baseball and has a year or so under his belt he starts to rake up the Bases on Balls.

Heeeellllloooooooo .905 OPS.

1- Manny Ramirez sucks

2- Burrell will help os to the WS

3-Manny is 36 yo

that we got into hypotheticals and anecdotes rather than data. It is perfectly legitimate to say that it seems reasonable that someone hitting in front of a tough hitter will do better because he gets more pitches to hit, so I am going to research that hypothesis to see whether it is true. It is legitimate to notice that a particular hitter performs in a particular way and use that as a springboard to investigate if there is some cause/effect relationship. But it is not legitimate to say:
1. Since it is reasonable it must be true.
2. Since I can find a number of cases where it appears to have been a cause/effect relationship, the overwhelming statistical evidence that no such relationship exists is flawed.
3. Because I have a predisposition to a particular view, I will select individual instances that support my view (actually that appear to support my view) and refuse to acknowledge the mass of studies that refute it.

It does not matter how many individual instances of Longoria hitting a particular way in slot 3, 4, 5, 6 or of Kent hitting with or without Bonds in front of or behind him you adduce. You may find 100s of such cases. They may illustrate a point demonstrated by large scale studies, or it might give pause as to the individual applications (Are Longoria and Kent different in some way from the mass of hitters so that the issue does not apply to them? I doubt it, but perhaps you can make some sort of case). But it cannot invalidate the point, which being statistical in nature will naturally include outliers, and you cannot legitimately argue from the exceptions unless you can explain why they are exceptions.

Sorry for prolonging this. But it is frustrating that some rather simple, uncomplicated and fundamental points seem to remain hazy to some people. Discussion is not about hurling opinions at each other. It is about a disciplined approach to issues in which there are generally accepted rules about how to arrive at deeper understandings. When those rules are ignored or violated, the conversation spins out of orbit and loses value. There is no common ground for discussion.

Wouldn’t that be something. Seriously though, .293/.360/.530

37 HR’s 131 RBI 30 SB’s

Longo will join the 30/30 club during his sophomore season. Barring injury this team will mature into a winning machine with injury and a rancid bullpen the only reasons to slow it down.

Sign Manny or Bradley! Burell sucks donkey dick.

36HR’s,115RBI, 160K’s

Aki: .285/.360/.415
Upton .300/.385/.475—top 5 in AL MVP voting