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Free agent first baseman Mark Teixeira has reached agreement with the New York Yankees on an eight-year contract worth more than $170 million, a source involved in the negotiations tells ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

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I knew something was up when the Angels withdrew.

I hope the Steinbrenners become the victims of a ponzi scheme, and are unable to make their payroll.

Lay off the stadium, Iwamura

by Orlando Rays on Dec 23, 2008 3:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone notice that payroll stays the same on the Yankees

Subtract in millions

giambi 24
pettite 16
abreu 16
mussina 11

Add in millions

burnett 18
sabathia 22
texiera 22
swisher 5

The payroll stays the same. The quality of the pitching staff and position players improves and they are in contention to win the next 8 years for sure.

1b Mark Texiera
2b Robinson Cano
ss Derek Jeter
3b Alex Rodriguez
C Jorge Posada
lf Johnny Damon
cf Nick Swisher
rf Xavier Nady
dh hideki matsui

SP

1. CC Sabathia
2. Chien Ming Wang
3. Aj Burnett
4. Joba Chamberlain
5. Phil Hughes

Devil Rays World Series 2009

by Japhei on Dec 23, 2008 3:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Joba in the pen

Pettitte and/or Lowe a SP

by Raymondo on Dec 23, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If that happens

They might win 140 games.

Devil Rays World Series 2009

by Japhei on Dec 23, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm Shirley you can't be serious

There defense is awful everywhere. Injury concerns at SS, C, LF, DH, and at least 3/5ths of the rotation.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 23, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can have a shit defense and pitching

But if your offense puts up 10 runs a night and it will. It will not matter anymore. Prepare for records runs to be scored and home runs to be hit in this new Yankee stadium. And No I am not trying to hype the yankees of anything it just seems like this is the end.

Devil Rays World Series 2009

by Japhei on Dec 23, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And then they slump at the worst possible time

And get swept on three blowouts in the division series

Lay off the stadium, Iwamura

by Orlando Rays on Dec 23, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

People said they would score 1000 runs last year and the year before

What is the lesson we learn?

People don’t know shit and never bet on name players to project their past onto their future.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 23, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think everyone agrees the Yanks are going to be very good

but no real Rays or Red Sox fan should be giving them even a division champioship yet, this season the AL East is going to be epic

by RayOfLight on Dec 23, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

This will be one competitive division; people thought the ALE was a murder’s row last year. This year the entire division as a whole will be an unstoppable killing machine. It’s completely rediculous.

by kericr on Dec 23, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not so sure they have shit defense everywhere

Other than Jeter, their infield defense is pretty solid, and having Tex will only make it look better, because then they can shift Cano a little further over so Jeter doesn’t need to cover as much ground.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 23, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, OF defense is horrendous

And Cano’s defensive stats for ‘06 and ’07 were all well above average. His ’08 stats were below average, but he seemed to slump all year and that might have affected both sides of the field. Not sure which side is the outlier (since he wasn’t reported to be much of a defender when he was in the minors), but there’s enough evidence out there to say that Cano’s defense might be good.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 24, 2008 8:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His UZR in 2007 was above average, but it was below average in 2006 and terrible in 2005.

2007 is the outlier. I don’t think he’s a butcher, but he’s not good.

by acblue on Dec 24, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And then

Wang breaks his foot again
Joba blows out his elbow
AJ blows out his elbow (again)
Hughes continues to suck
CC collapses due to his advanced weight
Jeter’s knee finally gives out
Posada is never the same after his two years of injuries
A-Rod gets an STD from Madonna
Matsui, Damon and Caño all suck

Lay off the stadium, Iwamura

by Orlando Rays on Dec 23, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the A-Rod one made me laugh

I am such a child

I hope at least half of that comes true.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A-Rod would still put up massive numbers with any STD.

CC made me laugh. In four years he will make Kirby Puckett look like L.L. Cool J

by Charmin519 on Dec 23, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright now lets get Pat the Bat locked up

and get ready to go to war.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 23, 2008 3:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great offensively, horrible middle infield defensively.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OF isn't much better defensively

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 23, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

...

Talk to the Rays and see how much defense matters

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 23, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It won Jeter a Gold Glove

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Dec 24, 2008 1:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Now to watch Jeter and Cano mess up routine grounders.

Wheeeee!!!!!

Or for CC and/or AJ to go on the DL.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 3:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fatso is gonna blow out an arm.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 23, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gentleman--stop with the 'sour grapes'

I love the Rays, but you wouldn’t take the Yankee line up?

by Raymondo on Dec 23, 2008 3:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My fantasy team is #1 in defense

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 23, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but

Every single other defender is now average or below

Swisher in the OF is incredibly meh, their MIF is hilarious and I hope Damon plays CF, lets watch Posada play C all year……

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where would they put Swisher then?

Bench player? Traded?

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cabrera being traded does what for them?

No value, no spot that would be free…..

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damon and Matsui are going nowhere.

Trade options are Melky (who’s not a starter right now, so he doesn’t open up an OF spot) and Swisher (whose value is probably lower than it should be). Maybe Melky for a bullpen arm?

Nady, Damon, and Matsui are all gone after 2009, so holding onto Swisher and Gardner isn’t a bad move, even if they don’t get as much playing time as they’d hope this year. I could see Nady playing his way out of a starting spot in favor of Gardner, too.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 23, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really want to put stock in Teixeira being a top defensive player

at the age of 36?

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We fell in love with a 38 yo closer

who was out of baseball for two years

just sayin

by Raymondo on Dec 23, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Point is

Tex will be 36 at the end of his deal

Percy was old when we got him

His post was again a ‘sour grapes’ response

by Raymondo on Dec 23, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, I have no sour grapes, they signed him at market value just like Sabathia and Burnett.

It’s a buyers market and the Yankees are doing an excellent job of buying.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 23, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This.

More money coming off the books next year, too.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 23, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Huge, huge difference b/w 8MM and 180MM.

Percival had a tRA of 2.28 with the Cardinals in 2007.

So he was showing effectivity, AND it wasn’t a big deal.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All I can say is...

Damn. The Yankees must literally shit million dollar bills. My hatred for the Yankees had slowly been diminishing the last 2 years because of their failure. But damn, it just shot up to an all new level.

by bonesaw on Dec 23, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We earned it very much last season

But my god, time to really earn a playoff spot in 09

Let the signings begin

I hate the Yankees

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 3:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This could be hilarious in a year or two

Posada might need 1B/DH
Jeter ALREADY needs 1B/DH
A-Rod might need 1B/DH
Teixeira has 1B occupied.

This could be hilarious.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 3:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I agree.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

Swisher back to CF? or even more dumb, they put him in LF and let Damon regain CF…..

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This not only sucks for our division

but it really messes up the market for our DH

by LeftRight on Dec 23, 2008 3:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Teixiera is not a DH

Nobody but the Yankees is going to put out the kind of money the Yankees put out on Teixiera. We will end up getting Abreu or Bradley.

Lay off the stadium, Iwamura

by Orlando Rays on Dec 23, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

understood

but the teams who lost out will certainly be looking to fill that hole and the yankees were not one of our competitors. Who the hell knows what the Red Sox might do now?

by LeftRight on Dec 23, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they will

sign Lowe in the next few days

by LeftRight on Dec 23, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not at all

my mind was just racing at the end of my post about how much this sucks for the AL east

by LeftRight on Dec 23, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was seemingly plan B with Milton being plan A.

Therefore:

Dunn —> WAS
Bradley —> CHC
Burrell —> TB
Manny —> LAD
Giambi/Abreu/ect. —> OAK/TOR

Or something like that.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 23, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't see the Mariners buying Burrell.

They’re rebuilding right now, and with Clement/Shelton/Johjima/Johnson/Branyan/Lopez there’s too many pegs and not enough holes.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 23, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

The M’s don’t want Burrell’s fielding baggage and they know about the inefficiency of finding really cheap players to provide decent DH production (and have already partially filled that position).

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 23, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right now, they're not though...
At least for the moment, the Angels are talking about finding offensive solutions from within. That means no Ramirez, no Adam Dunn, no Milton Bradley. Until further notice.

Rosenthal

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

$21MM per year for Tex is pretty good.

In a previous off-season, he might have gotten more like $25MM. And while 8 years is a little much, some were bracing for 9 or 10 years. I don’t think this hurts the Rays’ chances of getting a good deal on a DH.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 23, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely right.

I think it’s much better than him going to the Red Sox.

by Charmin519 on Dec 23, 2008 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I'm sure the Red Sox aren't exactly crying over this.

I’m guessing Youkilis is a 4 WAR at first and loses some of that shifting to third, and forces Mike Lowell out of the equation.

The Yankees had alot more to gain by getting Tex then the Red Sox.

My Yankee hate is still rising though. Unless it is critical to us standings wise, I hope the Sox kick the crap out of the Yankees early and often.

by twenty5psi on Dec 23, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or just let the Orioles take care of the Yankee killing.

Wieters, Jones, and Markakis FTW!

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be nice.

Have the O’s pull an 05’ D-Rays and go like 11-7 against them.

by twenty5psi on Dec 23, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How hard will you all laugh if they miss the playoffs now?

Defense matters, they only have good D at 1B…..

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 3:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Peralta and Blake

were GGs on the left side

by Raymondo on Dec 23, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joking?

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 23, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Said this before

but Wang – GB pitcher at the level of Lowe – hasn’t exactly struggled in NY.

Extraordinary GB pitchers get lots of easy GB’s. Jeter and Cano are hardly the best MIF combo, and Cano tends to gork the occassional routine play, but high GB pitchers give their IF lots of routine plays. Not every ball gets hit to the holes. And Jeter does make routine plays – messing those up almost invariably become errors. He had 4 less errors in 50 more chances than Bartlett. Sure his range is less than desirable, but when he moves I’d expect it to be to OF, not 1B. And NY has been very focused on middle IF’s in their last few drafts, signing multiple HS SS that were signability picks.

I know it’s frustrating for you all that NY is in the financial position to pull such moves, but this is a much improved team overall now. Last year’s big deficit – reliable starting pitching – has been addressed, assuming the adds stay healthy. But as I’ve said here before, pitching injuries can be unpredictable. Look at the Jays – it was 2 of their young guys that got hurt.

And Teixeira fills a long term system hole that NY has insufficiently addressed through the draft and developement system. To my mind Tex made much more sense as an acquisition than Burnett – I would’ve gone with a shorter term, cheaper committment for a 2nd added starter since most of NY’s minors strength is in pitching. I expect they’ll still try to add Pettitte, and let Hughes be the first fill in or to take some reps for an innings limited Joba.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Dec 23, 2008 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's still below what FIP and tRA would have him.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 23, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And I recognize the error thing is largely meaningless

Barlett had somewhat more chances per inning on a high K, not GB skewed staff, which speaks to his range advantage.

Both teams were high in K/IP – NY has seemingly improved there. It will be interesting to see how Burnett works out there – he is GB oriented, so IF D could have a big impact on his performance.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Dec 23, 2008 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We won the ALE last year

by beating the NYY only 7 times

Let’s go out and do the same

But stop with all this horrible defense posts, as if the Yankees were a bunch of softball players

Their adequate, and their bats will bomb

by Raymondo on Dec 23, 2008 4:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

dude, they won 89 games last year

you don’t think they’ve helped themselves?

by Raymondo on Dec 23, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and that defense

could be better with Tex and Gardner—correct?

by Raymondo on Dec 23, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why in gods name do you think Gardner is going to start?

Swisher or Damon will be playing CF

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damon--LF

Gardner CF

Nady RF

Caabrera traded

Swisher will get 400 AB—DH, PH, OF

by Raymondo on Dec 23, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not arguing the opposite way, but...

Gardner’s MLE from 2008 was .296/.414/.422
His actual line was .283.402/.416.

That’s pretty solid, although I subjectively don’t think his line has been adjusted enough. If he can be a .280/.360/.380 guy with good CF defense, that’s worth starting over Nady.

(Colin Cowherd would call this “adding perspective”.)

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 23, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no

Damon LF/CF
Swisher LF/CF
Nady RF
Matsui DH
Gardner…….AAA

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I don't assume he can at all

I just know he will. Can’t wait for the Rays to run all over him.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

.

TEAM DEF_EFF
TBA 0.71
CHN 0.705
TOR 0.704
OAK 0.7
BOS 0.699
NYN 0.698
MIL 0.698
HOU 0.698
SDN 0.696
PHI 0.696
SLN 0.695
ATL 0.694
FLO 0.693
ANA 0.692
LAN 0.691
KCA 0.69
WAS 0.689
BAL 0.688
MIN 0.687
CHA 0.686
ARI 0.686
CLE 0.686
SFN 0.685
DET 0.685
NYA 0.682
SEA 0.682
COL 0.678
PIT 0.675
CIN 0.673
TEX 0.67

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 23, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Brewers must be PISSED.

They won’t get a first rounder from CC leaving. Just barely, but they don’t get it.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 4:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jays got a 3rd rounder for Burnett

What a joke this is

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

....wut?

Sternberg/Friedman '08!!

by JMB on Dec 23, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Angels get a 1st rounder for Tex

Brewers get a 2nd rounder for Sabathia and Jays get a 3rd for AJ

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

Sucks for Toronto

Sternberg/Friedman '08!!

by JMB on Dec 23, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brewers aren't too happy right now either

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes

I’d start rioting if that were the Rays.

Sternberg/Friedman '08!!

by JMB on Dec 23, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't been on here for a while

but we all saw this coming when they missed the playoffs w/ a $200 million payroll last year.

It’ll be really funny to watch them finish third again even with Sabathia/Burnett/Teixeira/etc.

Sternberg/Friedman '08!!

by JMB on Dec 23, 2008 4:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't my point

My point was that the Yankees missed the playoffs and finished behind BOTH us and the Sawx. We knew there would be hell to pay from the NYY.

Sternberg/Friedman '08!!

by JMB on Dec 23, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This off season should help the Rays

attendance at Trop v Yankees was off quite a bit last year

this should help

Not meant for sarcasm

just sayin

by Raymondo on Dec 23, 2008 4:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm 1000% behind that notion

but i’m fearful if we don’t get off to a good start, we’re in trouble

by Raymondo on Dec 23, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably a dumb question

but I never really found out, is Raymondo just sternfan1’s new name?

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i knew what you menat

i don’t think this town will go on a regular basis, inless we are winning

by Raymondo on Dec 23, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing this isn't the NFL, 161 games means you can be patient.

And this is the exact reason the RFO wants Season Ticket sales, much more stable and predictable income.

by twenty5psi on Dec 23, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Projected wOBA and FIP (average of Marcel & James courtesy of Fangraphs.com)

The last number are averages. If anyone cares to add defense to this I will e-mail you the book.

Teixeira 0.399 Pena 0.383
Cano 0.343 Iwamura 0.334
Jeter 0.357 Bartlett 0.319
Rodriguez 0.405 Longoria 0.376
Posada 0.367 Navarro 0.329
Damon 0.344 Crawford 0.341
Swisher 0.351 Upton 0.365
Nady 0.350 Joyce 0.356
Matsui 0.356 Burrell 0.375
0.363 0.353

Sabathia 3.35 Kazmir 3.80
Wang 3.90 Shields 3.79
Burnett 3.77 Garza 3.93
Pettitte 3.82 Sonnanstine 3.99
Chamberlain Price
3.71 3.88

Chamberlain and Price are looked at as relief options in the projections assume they are both sub-4.00 FIP.

We match up pretty well and this does not take into account defensive advantages at possibly every single position

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 23, 2008 4:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Now you hope they stick to Pettitte and not go after Sheets.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So sub in whoever you want and do the math. We are not far behind them in this rudimentary look

add in defense and we are probably still a better team at this point. I’m not sure if you realize just how damn good we were last year and now we should have a healthy Kaz and Beej, plus a DH/RF upgrade. Oh yeah and D. Price.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 23, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well he wasn't factored in but good point

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 23, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Velociraptor Jesus will take care of it all.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Healthy Kaz

are the just wanting him to rest or was there any thought of going under the knife? Is there other examples of pitchers who “just rested” and returned the next year fully healthy?

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 23, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

Sheets, Burnett AND Joba could very well be on the DL all at the same time.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't wish Sheets signing with the Yanks on the Brewers.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe I'm writing this...

But defense isn’t all that matters. Trading 50 runs of defensive production for 100 runs of offensively production is a no-brainer, especially with high-K starters (not Wang, obviously).

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 23, 2008 4:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If anyone bails them out, I will shoot someone
Joel Sherman says the Yankees made this decision with the 2010 season in mind, given the weak free agent market. He says they’ll now attempt to trade one of Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Xavier Nady, and Nick Swisher.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 4:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Damon/Matsui/Nady as a one year rental

Someone will bite, especially if the Yankees pick up some of the salary. I just hope the Yankees aren’t expecting anything of value in return.

by Vin on Dec 23, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damon isn't going anywhere.

He’s a decent lead off hitter and sets the table nicely for the power bats.

by floridaroar on Dec 23, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why wouldn't they get something of value in return?

I agree it’s unlikely Damon would go, and Matsui has the least trade value, so likely Nady is the guy. Swisher could be moved again as well, since he’s signed for a few years at reasonable rates, so someone likely values him.

Nady’s arb 3 off a $3.35 MM salary, can also play 1B. I’d expect them to try moving him first – FA after ‘09. They’d probably perfer to move Matsui, but won’t get any value until the spring if he can possibly play the OF.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Dec 23, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nady’s arb 3 off a $3.35 MM salary, can also play 1B

So he’s a 1B/OF/DH type?

There’s way too many of those on the open market for the Yankees to expect anything of value for any of those guys except Swisher, who is the only one signed for beyond next season.

by Vin on Dec 23, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope nobody trades for them.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a slow team

Guys running around with gold bricks in their clothes.

Wonder how much extra money the Yanks can get with those extra jersey sales?

The Rays Party

by therayspartyleader on Dec 23, 2008 5:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Relax

I think it is true that anyone saying the Yankees are not much improved in offense, defense and pitching is whistling in the wind. They are a better team than they were last year, and most certainly better than they looked to be at the start of the off-season. But they are not shoo-ins for anything. It will be interesting to see what the various projections forecast, but let’s keep a few things in mind:

1: Offense: In essence they have replaced Giambi/Abreu with Teixeira/Swisher. They also will have Posada and Matsui back, which should help if only because their catchers last year were so awful and Matsui is probably better than last year’s non-Giambi DH. But it is not as if they have simply added Teixeira; he & Swisher replace two productive hitters.

2: Defense: Teixeira is a huge upgrade over Giambi and Swisher, if he plays RF, probably is better than Abreu. It is possible this is the most important improvement the Yankees have made even if it is not in the most crucial positions.

3: Pitching: Again, Sabathia is one of the best pitchers in the majors, but also again, he and Burnett replace Mussina and, at least for the moment, Pettitte. While Pettitte was only near league average, Mussina was significantly better and so it is not addition but replacement. I think the new starters are better than those they replace, but it is not as if you replace Jason Hammel with Sabathia.

While there is good reason to expect the Yankees to have problems due to injury and age-related declines, it is silly to discount the improvements they have made over the 89 win team they were last year. But it is equally silly to assume they are buying a pennant; they are doing the right thing. They are leveraging their financial clout (and probably their name recognition) to improve, just as the Rays have been leveraging their high draft picks and creative management to improve.

I also wonder how many draft choices the Yankees will lose in 2009. As strong as their farm system is, I remain unimpressed with the upside I see there, and think the loss of too many draft choices is another cost of the signings. And a cost that may keep the Yankees from maintaining their improvement over more than a year or so.

by bobr on Dec 23, 2008 6:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cool, I got myself my 1st warning

but it was for being a little hard on sternfan so I could of done a lot worse things.

Anyway, raymano, I apologize for offending you in anyway.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 6:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

eh, doesn't matter anyway

I don’t think the warning will have a lasting effect on me.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still hold a grudge against Tyler.

That’s right, Tools, I haven’t forgotten those warnings.

by RATW on Dec 23, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was me

I’m on a crusade to end the personal attacks. We can have fun, discuss, disagree without resorting to them. And raymondo is a lighting rod for them (especially for those that were here for his first incarnation). Now that the site is a little bigger we should be careful to ensure that we keep it fun without killing people.

by rglass44 on Dec 23, 2008 7:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

(thumbs up emoticon)

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its probably a good idea...

I’d say personal attacks made up about 30% of the content in the comments section last year. And I base that on absolutely nothing.

…They really do get old though.

by Vin on Dec 23, 2008 7:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lets agree on something

David Price is awesome

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think I am

but what I know for sure if I was?

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow my grammar

ok I may be on crack

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Dec 23, 2008 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 24, 2008 9:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they can have tiexiera all they want, its going to be so funny when they finish in 3rd again

200 million dollars last year and again this year for the NYY, while we will continue to BALL ON A BUDGET and still win the division next year.

everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds
who needs k-rod for 37 million when you can have d-rod for 50k?
twins sign ty wigginton ASAP!!!!

by RaysOfHope on Dec 23, 2008 9:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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