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Does Payroll Have An Effect on Winning?

With all the talk around the baseball world about the Yankees most recent spending spree, I decided to see how winning games in baseball tied to either age or payroll (and how the two related).

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I gathered Wins, Average Age (from baseball-reference.com's average ages for pitchers and batters that weigh it based on appearances and averaged them), and Payroll since the most recent expansion (1998-2008). In the 11 years of data there were a total of 330 team seasons. In the following table, we have the correlation between age and wins (Age-Ws), payroll and wins ($$$-Ws), and age and payroll (Age-$$$). There is also the average age and payroll for the top 25, bottom 25, and entire sample.

Total
Age-Ws $$$-Ws Age-$$$ Bot-25 Avg Top-25 avg Top-25 Age Bot-25 Age Average $$$ Average Age
0.49 0.39 0.71 $48,808,701 $85,552,850 30.2 27.8 $46,503,945
28.9

As you can see, the correlation between wins and payroll is not very large, and the correlation between wins and age is in fact greater. Not surprisingly, the top 25 teams spent more and were older than the bottom 25. Similarly, the bad teams were below average in both measures and the good teams were above average in both. This seems to undermine the correlation coefficient for payroll, though. Upon further examination of these teams, however, you see how the lack of an upward bound throws off the averages.

If you seperate the sample in to 3 groups, the very good teams (those with more than 95 wins), the very bad teams (those with less than 67 wins), and everyone else, then you get a pretty good snap-shot of what makes a BAD team and a GOOD team. There are 36 very bad teams and 38 very good team (about the top and bottom 10% of the sample). Of the top teams, close to a third (10) teams were below the average payroll for that year. An additional 5 were within $10 million of the average, including the best team in the sample the, 2001 Mariners. Of the bottom teams, seven were above the average payroll including the second-worst team the 2004, Diamondbacks. There were also another 4 teams within $10 million of average.

So, has anything changed over the last 11 years? The following table shows the year-by year data for each of the aforementioned figures:

Year-by-year
Year Age-Ws $$$-Ws Age-$$$ Bot-5 Avg Top-5 avg Top-5 Age Bot-5 Age Average $$$ Average Age
2008 0.24 0.33 0.74 $72,438,225 $102,530,536 29.0 28.5 $89,495,289 28.7
2007 0.39 0.49 0.73 $50,691,928 $111,450,172 29.3 27.5 $82,556,300 28.9
2006 0.42 0.54 0.72 $59,187,960 $100,799,999 29.6 28.2 $77,382,421 29.0
2005 0.50 0.49 0.82 $48,057,280 $118,792,919 30.9 27.9 $72,957,113 29.2
2004 0.46 0.54 0.84 $55,290,217 $115,561,057 30.6 28.9 $69,022,198 29.2
2003 0.60 0.42 0.82 $54,302,286 $98,410,596 30.3 28.0 $70,942,071 28.9
2002 0.56 0.44 0.84 $45,679,567 $84,668,957 30.3 28.1 $67,469,251 29.0
2001 0.56 0.32 0.79 $53,349,775 $71,993,945 29.6 27.9 $65,355,444 28.9
2000 0.41 0.33 0.91 $44,025,259 $62,074,560 29.5 28.1 $55,537,837 28.9
1999 0.55 0.56 0.79 $29,762,700 $73,329,782 30.3 26.9 $49,807,625 28.8
1998 0.60 0.66 0.64 $27,131,233 $54,797,073 29.6 26.7 $42,609,429 28.8

This table illustrates a salient point about the current state of baseball, in my opinion: young, cheap talent is the best kind of talent. In the last 11 years, it seems that the effect of payroll and age on wins has dwindled further and further. I think one reason for this is the fact that steroids have been "removed" from the equation. These substances seemed to allow players to delay the effects of aging, and now that they are supposedly gone players are aging at a more normal rate. This effect, I believe, will have a startlingly sobering effect on the abilities of players into their free agency years.

Additionally, if you factor in the issue of "rebuilding" and how it is an inefficient use of resources for teams to spend in the short-term on a bad team, then the fact that "cheaper" teams are worse has even less of a hold. Assuming a bright GM knows his team and it's potential, it would be unwise to spend the additional $10-15 million to sign free agents (especially those that cost draft picks) when your team has little shot to compete. If an owner allows a GM to "store" his capital for further use, a smart GM will capitalize on his team's resources most wisely. This is how you take a 70-win $40 million team to a 95-win $60 million team, and you further sustain success. Growing from within is the mantra of smart GMs that use their resources most wisely.

In summation, it does seem that teams that spend more tend to do a little better, but teams that spend less can still do very, very well. If you factor in the ability to "make runs" and bump spending for a year or two there is no reason why any team in baseball can't compete with the Yankees or any other large market team. The key is knowing your team and knowing the best way to allocate resources. Just like any other business, success comes easier with money, but it comes more efficiently otherwise.

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Let's be honest...

If you gave this front office a $150 million payroll, do you think it would have a positive impact? Of course it would.

by td32 on Dec 31, 2008 12:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm unsure

I could see us signing any DH we wanted, but what else could we do? I guess trade some of our depth for highly-paid stars, but we have pretty much every position set from within.

The new baseball (post-steroid) is a different game, I believe. Defense and athleticism are more important than ever. Young, cheap talent is generally better defensively and more athletic.

by rglass44 on Dec 31, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points and a great read Mr. Glass

How much of an effect does the fact that for the first six years a young player has all the incentive in the world to prove themselves to get a bigger payday down the line? Clearly, a 25 year old should be more athletic than a 30 year old, but by how much, and in turn how much of said “athleticism” is a guy playing optimally to maximize his later return. I don’t want to imply that 30 year olds dog it, but I would think there is some complacency in there after signing a big deal.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 31, 2008 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a valid point

One other aspect of this young vs. old thing. If a player becomes a FT player at 22 he will remain with the team through at least his age 28 season. If they delay his clock until 23 they retain him an additional year. This, I believe, is an added bonus of knowing where your team is and is going. Rather than bringing a player up just for the sake of it, delaying his clock may be a good option. As long as it isn’t a jerk, you should be better off.

by rglass44 on Dec 31, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Makes you wonder when we will see Mr. Wieters make his debut

I don’t envy anyone that has to pitch to that behemoth (including his own staff). Dude can stroke, but with that pitching staff it will be extra tough to assert himself defensively.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 31, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Young, cheap talent?

If money isnt an issue, then who cares? Besides a DH, I would sure like Orlando Hudson. He would be a huge upgrade over Aki. How about making a trade to get Holliday and putting him in RF. If the Rays didnt have to worry so much about development of prospects, we could have given up a Wade Davis.

It is common sense that having a bigger payroll allows far more flexibility, as well as accumulating top notch free agent talent.

by td32 on Dec 31, 2008 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem here is with the sample size

There are only a few organizations that spend outrageous amounts of money. The problem is some of them aren’t very well run. This type of analysis really only works if you hold the skill of the front offices constant. Or perhaps comparing results to payroll for poorly run organizations and well run organizations separately.

My hypothesis is that the main factor in success is the skill of the front office. Within that the impact that the front office can have is largely constrained by payroll.

For example if you give the A’s, Twins or Rays a huge payroll they would turn out to be the Red Sox. If you give the Pirates a huge payroll they would turn out to be the Yankees (and vice versa).

by matthan on Dec 31, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The biggest advantage money has is you can make a mistake and recover

The teams with more money can take a flyer on that free agent that’s going to make 4/60 where the poorer teams really have to make a tough decision on what they’re going to have to do without if they sign the same guy. Plus, if the player goes bust, the rich team can eat it and get another. The poorer team is stuck and has to eat it’s mistake.

For the poor team, there is no such thing as the high-profile mid-season pickup.

Fortunately, many of the teams that seem to be willing to put out heavy dough are also ineptly run. I don’t know which is stupider, for example; The contract Andruw Jones got from the Dodgers, or that the Mets are considering making a trade for him.

The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.

by pocket8pin on Dec 31, 2008 10:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If the Mets made a trade for him, the Dodgers would be eating pretty much all the salary.

The Dodgers’ trade of Jones would be simply to clear up a roster spot. Mets would be paying 1MM tops, and wouldn’t send anything of value back to the Dodgers.

Or it would be a Luis Castillo for Andruw Jones swap, since both players are awful.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Jan 1, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Paying 1 million for Jones

is a waste of about $999,998.00. The fact that the Mets would consider blowing any money at all on this guy is proof-positive in the discussion of big market teams vs. small market teams.

See what they’d give the Rays for Jonny Gomes, who’s a better player at this point.

The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.

by pocket8pin on Jan 2, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think one point that people are missing is

that it seems that older players are less effective. Hence, it is better to build w/o FA and use it merely to plug holes. That doesn’t take as much money.

by rglass44 on Jan 2, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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