What Definition of "Play" Are We Using?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 6, 2008 9:57 PM EST
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Topkin's Sunday offering has a few notes on announcers, the pitchers, and a ton of options for the Rays. This one stands out:
Sign Raul Ibanez
Age: 36
'08 numbers: .293, 23, 110, $5.5M w/Mariners
Plus/minus: Good for about 100 RBIs each season, can play outfield or DH, good clubhouse presence; may attract considerable interest.
Emphasis mine, pleasure of posting this is also mine:
via LookoutLanding
So, play as in "run around" it is.
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He looks like a little kid running on the playground.
Indie.
by Taylor H on Dec 6, 2008 10:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Keeps the clubhouse loose
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Dec 6, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ibanez would own the crap out of throwing baseballs through giant Dr. Pepper cans.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 6, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The baseballs would have to hit the ground, then go through the giant cans like a dart.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 6, 2008 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I made the pact weeks ago that before I took each of my finals
I’d look at one of the Raul gifs. It takes all of 10 seconds, and its fucking hilarious. LL is pure win for giffing that stuff.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 6, 2008 10:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My favorite from LL
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 6, 2008 10:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yeah, I had no idea what a lawn dart was before this
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 6, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everytime I watch that
I want badly to see the rest of the play with commentary.
by Sam Page on Dec 7, 2008 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious who fetched the ball.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is the center fielder.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 7, 2008 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
stopped reading after he discussed trading for delmon young as an option
by walkoffwalk on Dec 6, 2008 10:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you should have.
It is unlikely. But the article is simply speculating on possibilities, not probabilities or recommendations. Given Friedman’s statements, and his history, and as the headline indicates, and the sub-headline emphasizes, the options are varied and numerous. There are rumors that the Twins are ready to move Delmon, and while TB seems the least likely destination, it isn’t entirely out of the question.
If I were writing the article, I would have speculated even more wildly that the Rays could seek a trade for Edwin Encarnacion or Richie Weeks and try one out either in RF or as a DH. Actually, my favorite Rays’ trade fantasy is one involving Kazmir and Justin Upton as the centerpieces. Now there you have some really improbable thoughts, but kind of fun to consider anyway. The ones Topkin are suggesting are more responsible.
I do think he should have made clear that Ibanez’s “minus” includes his fielding, but the fact is that “can play” the outfield here simply means that is what he has been doing. And teams have been known to get by with poor corner outfield defense, although I doubt the Rays would accept that option.
by bobr on Dec 7, 2008 5:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weeks in the OF
Interesting thought if the Brewers are looking to sell low. He’s been terrible defensively at 2B and disappointing with the bat in large part to wrist and other injuries, but his approach at the plate is similar to Upton and he’s pretty good on the bases. Why couldn’t he be at least as valuable as fellow Southern University alum Fred Lewis in the outfield?
by RATW on Dec 7, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From nearly everything I have read he is an awful fielder
and I have read some of the really hilarious stuff at Lookout Landing. But to be fair, using a few specific examples of gaffes, no matter how awful they are, and even if the few is expanded to a few dozen, is not entirely fair. They are, after all, purely anecdotal, and may illustrate the legitimate point that he is awful, but they do not make that point. After all, one could compile a collage of hilarious plays from the greatest fielders.
by bobr on Dec 6, 2008 10:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
I should include that statistically Ibanez is an awful fielder.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 6, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As someone who has had the pleasure of watching Raul "play" the outfield 10-12 times over the past couple years.....
I can say that, without a doubt, he is a terrible fielder. He has zero range, his arm is decent-to-below-average, and you can see he has trouble tracking the path of the ball.
Indie.
by Taylor H on Dec 6, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The GIF in the topic
Isn’t just a “wow, that’s funny” GIF. It demonstrates Raul’s lack of range. These types of plays will not be funny to fans of whichever team signs him, particularly fans of a contending team.
by ThundaPC on Dec 7, 2008 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Jeff and JI never would have thought to GIF these things if Raul wasn't consistently awful.
This is the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
by acblue on Dec 7, 2008 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shockingly
I forget when this was, but I was watching a Yankees-Royals game some years back and I remember a game where Raul hauled back 2HR’s.
by BrendanHarrisLives on Dec 7, 2008 12:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Run is way too strong of a word.
Mosey works.
by acblue on Dec 7, 2008 12:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dosey-do around the OF.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 7, 2008 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding another part...
good clubhouse presence;
That is BS and we all know it. Clubhouse presence is not as important as people think.
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by SRQman on Dec 7, 2008 1:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If by "presence", you mean "taking up space", I think it's important.
I’d like all players to take up some kind of space in the locker room. Unless….GHOST FIELDERS!
by ReasonableDoubt on Dec 7, 2008 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparantly Raul has 11 potential suitors.
Some will drop out though.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 7, 2008 11:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not too excited about a multi-year deal + giving up our first rounder for Raul.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not either. Hence the "some will drop out" part
And, I have a preference that Raul goes somewhere where he can play OF.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 7, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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