Winter Meetings Day One Open Thread
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 11:43 AM EST
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Post any rumors, tidbits, or thoughts here for conversation and digestion.
Here's a cheat sheet on the players the Rays are reported to be interested in, using Marcels and Chone projections.
| Position | Player | Age | Proj.WAR | Proj. 09$ |
| COF | Hermida | 24.11 | 2.3 | 11.5 |
| DH | Giambi | 37.11 | 2.1 | 10.6 |
| DH | Burrell | 32.2 | 2.6 | 12.9 |
| COF | Rivera | 30.6 | 1 | 5.24 |
| DH | Abreu | 34.9 | 2 | 10.1 |
| DH | Dunn | 29.1 | 2.8 | 14 |
| DH | Bradley | 30.4 | 3.4 | 16.9 |
If explanation is needed:
Position: COF - corner outfield
Age: Years.Months. For instance, Dunn turned 29 one month ago.
Proj. WAR: Using Marcels/Chone a simple WAR estimate is made, which leads to...
Proj. 09$: Essentially, how much the player projects to be worth next season, when a single WAR is worth roughly 4.84 million. This is context free, what the Rays would pay for Bobby Abreu isn't the same as what the Orioles would or the Cubs, ect.
Also, answering a question sure to be asked: I included Hermida as a way of estimating how much talent the Rays would have to give up in return. Of course, this also opens a can of worms on how one should estimate prospect worth...
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Hermida looks a heckuva lot better now than an hour ago.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 10:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That 2007 season looks really nice, no?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Dec 8, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The stupid Dye to Rays rumors won't stop.
And, concerning Juan Rivera. That projection is assuming about 300-350 ABs on the season, since Marcel has him pegged at 313 ABs? I still don’t like him as much of a bargain.
But, definitely awesome/useful chart.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 7, 2008 11:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
...
The Braves, Reds and Royals have shown interest. It’s believed the Rays at least kicked Dye’s tires
…
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gah, can't read sometimes.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 7, 2008 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Royals is beyond stupid though
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 7, 2008 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how many OFs does kc need?
everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds
by RaysOfHope on Dec 8, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I my fav target has been the same since the deadline
Milton Bradley. I also like Giambi and maybe Hermida. I would love to see a move be made….
by joeybw on Dec 7, 2008 11:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The cheap signings will probalby go down in January though
when Bradley/Giambi realize that they can’t get those big-time offers on the FA market this offseason, and settle for less.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 7, 2008 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dudes.....
Perrotto speaks of a “wild rumor” – the Rays could be the third team in a Jake Peavy-Cubs trade, with Tampa Bay acquiring Brian Giles. Would he waive his no-trade clause to play there? One way or another, Kevin Towers wants five players back for Peavy.
by joeybw on Dec 7, 2008 11:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would freaking explode if this happens.
Depending on what we give up of course. Brian Giles is freaking awesome. So freaking awesome.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What would explode?
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
by SRQman on Dec 7, 2008 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YES!!!!!
Although Towers/Alderson/DePo will probably value him correctly, which means that the Rays will be giving up some real value.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 7, 2008 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's only signed for one year.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Dec 8, 2008 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even with the age penalty, Giles is projected at 3 WAR.
Moving him out of PetCo will help. He’s a very good defender too.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Full post:
A wild rumor making the rounds is that the Rays might replace the Orioles as the third team to facilitate a trade that would send ace starter Jake Peavy from the Padres to the Cubs. Reportedly, the Rays would acquire veteran Brian Giles form the Padres to play right field. However, that seems doubtful, though, as Giles is a native San Diegan and has no desire to waive his no-trade clause. Regardless of how it shakes out, Padres GM Kevin Towers is determined to get five players back in any deal and the Orioles want both center fielder Felix Pie and shortstop Ronny Cedeno from the Cubs in any deal.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
The big thing the Padres want in any Peavy deal that the Cubs don’t have is a high-upside SP. That being said, if the Rays are going to dab in this, I’m 99% sure a pitcher who is far from arb (not Sonny/Jackson) will be dealt. Whether the Padres will take Niemann or demand Davis/Hellickson will be a dealbreaker.
On the model of Gregg for Ceda, I could see the Rays pawning off one of Bradford/Wheeler on the Cubs. Preferrably Wheeler, obviously. With Wood and Howry gone, another reliever would help. Although Howry’s lefty…hmm… They could always use Marshall as the token lefty.
Cubs get: Peavy, Bradford/Wheeler
Rays get: Giles
Padres get: Vitters, Felix Pie (although they have Gerut, so maybe Cedeno), Brignac, Rays SP Prospect, something else from the Cubs.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
think they would want bartlett back?
he was a prospect for them, and was traded for brian buchanan i believe in 2004?
everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds
by RaysOfHope on Dec 8, 2008 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bartlett is arbitration eligible.
Padres don’t want arb eligible players.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wait so you think they'd want Brignac + Davis/Helly?
no thanks.
by daveh33 on Dec 8, 2008 2:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say definitely.
They’d try to angle for it, but that’s when Friedman should say no. Niemann + Brignac should do it IMO. Hence I said it was a dealbreaker.
And, the Cubs would definitely have to give up more. .. Probably something along the lines of Marshall…. I really don’t know how it would fit.
So, Vitters, Pie, Marshall, and Cedeno from the Cubs
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about
Sonnanstine and Talbot? That combo would make a ton of sense for the Pads, maybe not quite as much for us though, without getting a little something more back in return.
Is Sonnanstine too much to give up for a year of Giles, considering that he’ll probably be pushed out of the rotation next year anyway and that there isn’t THAT big of a difference between Sonny and EJax as the 5th starter? Talbot would pretty much just be a throw-in that we don’t have the roster space for, but they could use. Sonnanstine seems like the type of pitcher Towers would covet, and he could put up ERAs in the low-3s pitching at Petco.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 8, 2008 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"that there isn’t THAT big of a difference between Sonny and EJax as the 5th starter? "
2 wins.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Leaving aside all the ‘Sonny gets overrated by certain measures’ items, that surprises me. Is that projections, or is that based on what happened last year?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 8, 2008 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a link to where we can check WAR?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 8, 2008 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I know of.
All I do is 5.75-FIP times IP/9 and that gives you NLRS, divide by 10 and there’s your WAR. Imperfect, but it works.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Using tRA, it was 4 wins last year, but I figured that was TOO high.
http://www.draysbay.com/2008/11/25/670259/at-this-point-pitchers
I ran the Marcels really quickly and it looks more like 1.4 wins
Sonny.170 3.96 34
Jackson 163 4.54 20
So between 1.4-2 would be my estimate.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
Just a bit surprised. I’d ask about the difference between Sonny and Niemann, but realistically, if Sonny gets traded, EJax will be the starter.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 8, 2008 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marcels doesn't do much good for Niemann anyhow.
I just found this.
http://home.comcast.net/~briankaat/statsite.html
Go to the bottom and it’s a spreadsheet. It uses ERA, but since replacement FIP = replacement ERA, it won’t matter anyways.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
O/U 100.5 Vegas references/puns over the next four days?
Favorites:
- high rollers
- went all in
- hit on 17
ect.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 11:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Where?
On the overall coverage of just this site?
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
by SRQman on Dec 7, 2008 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't say overall coverage, that's far too easy.
I’ll say of articles/tidbits passed around on site.
That’s 25 a day.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going over.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 7, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Official count: two.
If we count pre-Monday articles.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think a bunch of high rollers are walking into the figurative casino
and they are all looking to cash out. They got their chips ready and are waiting for the cards to be dealt. Some might bluff what they have while others will fold. The Rays probably won’t go all in like some other teams looking to take advantage and count the cards and wait for the river card to make their move. They might try to hit on 17 and win the big money though.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
by SRQman on Dec 7, 2008 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go copy some papers...
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
by SRQman on Dec 7, 2008 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Less than the number of Plaxico/Giants puns I made during today's game
The Giants really shot themselves in the leg with all those mistakes…
They just couldn’t seem to pull the trigger…
The Eagles really shot the gaps…
Maybe Eli Manning should’ve gone with the shotgun…
Somebody stop me.
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Dec 8, 2008 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad pass
Shot himself in the foot on that one
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Dec 8, 2008 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
trade for Hermida and sign Giambi/Bradley/Dunn/Burrell
and i’ll be happy
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 8, 2008 3:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
C Navarro
1B Pena
2B Iwamura
3B Longoria
SS Bartlett
LF Crawford
CF Upton
RF Hermida
DH Bradley
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 8, 2008 4:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Guys, I want Hermida too, but Jayson Starks is saying that the Fish would want EJax/Sonny AND Jason Bartlett? Too rich for my blood, especially for a guy who has never fully realized his potential. Ya think he's gonna do that here?
“So it will be interesting to see whether they can build a Hermida deal around Jason Bartlett and a young starter (Edwin Jackson or Andy Sonnanstine) with Tampa Bay, or around infield prospect Jason Donald with the Phillies.”
Check the latest Winter Meetings link: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings081207
by TheUltimateBucFan on Dec 8, 2008 8:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Edwin + Barty is pretty equal to Hermida.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, why do they want Bartlett anyways?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hanley hits too much
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 8, 2008 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe move him to 2B
so Uggla can be moved to a corner IF position?
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are there still talks of moving Hanley to CF, or has his D upgraded enough that it allows him to stay at SS?
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it with Maybin in the fold.
Who knows, though.
by rglass44 on Dec 8, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hanley was a plus defender at short last year
I doubt he gets moved, and Maybin plays plus CF as well.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok im confused
is Hanley going to CF all the sudden? Um….Maybin? Uggla going to LF? good, bench your most consistent power bat in Ross.
They don’t want Hanley, they want a C. Jaso would go a long way.
by joeybw on Dec 8, 2008 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought I would see the words
consistent and (Cody) Ross in the same sentence. I agree on them looking for a catcher, but so are a lot of teams.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't do it
But I’m a “hater”. If we had to watch Hermida everyday, we’d all see that he’s shockingly Gomes-like.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's been brought up somewhere before but...
What is the official status or Randy Winn? That would certainly be an interesting option.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 8, 2008 9:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Winn makes 8-9MM next year, and is a FA after the 2009 season.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a LOT like Brian Giles, actually. A bit less talented.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Dec 8, 2008 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too. Hasn't there been Winn/Yankee rumors?
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There has always been Winn/Yankee rumors...
I don’t remember any recently though
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 8, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying I don't like him.
I was answering the “what’s the official status on Randy Winn” question.
I would love to have him.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My idea is a lot sexier and hopefully realistic
Jackson + Niemann + mid level spect for Hermida
Bradley for DH
Sign a loogy
Keep MVP at SS
by joeybw on Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You never know,
pots and pans robots, black nazis, and wheelchair ninjas could become available too with velociraptors to play at loogy.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 8, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone think that
the Padres might be interested in Fernando Perez as part of a deal for Giles? Didn’t they drool over our speedy outfield two years ago when we played them and indicate they thought their park required them to acquire very fast defenders in the outfield for their pitchers to be successful?
by bobr on Dec 8, 2008 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think that might be interesting.
Although I’d think pitching/SS would be their primary targets in any trade. Especially if the Peavy deal doesn’t bring a SS.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also wonder if there is an offensive "make-up" a player could have
that would make them a good fit in Petco. Maybe a guy that walks a lot and doesn’t rely on HRs (Nando). I really think for them to be successful they need to either move the fences in a little or just completely sell-out to defense.
by rglass44 on Dec 8, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Topkin:
There have also been a number of reports suggesting the Rays could trade SS Jason Bartlett (including one suggesting they could send Bartlett and pitchers Edwin Jackson or Andy Sonnanstine to the Marlins for OF Jeremy Hermida), but there’s no reason for them to do that given how much Bartlett meant to their success, and, even in his first year or arbitration eligibility, will be relatively affordable (maybe around $2-million).
First Chastain, now Topkin. I can’t wait to see the media either do a 180 or slam Friedman if we trade Bartlett.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 11:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do you think that this could effect the team's mentality?
I mean if we trade Delmon and JB, is anybody assured they’re untouchable? I just think that if we trade JB, players may lose some faith in the FO and their ability to keep promises/be faithful to their contracts.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 8, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Making the team better is more important than any promises/loyalty.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Just saying. Word may get around that we don’t honor contracts very well.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 8, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not a concern...
The contract that a player signs will be honored regardless. It will just be honored by another team. Plus we didnt draft/sign Bartlett, the Padres did. The Twins took over his contract and then we did.
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 8, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 8, 2008 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Word will also get around that the team likes to win a lot.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Dec 8, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think either will happen.
There is no reason for the media either to do a 180 or to slam Friedman should the deal happen. It is entirely legitimate to consider a player exceptionally important to a team and be skeptical of reports that they would deal him and simultaneously to recognize the reasonableness of trading him. There may appear to be no reason to make the proposed trade now, but it may be defensible tomorrow for any number of reasons.
It is also possible that should such a trade occur, the response might be to rue the loss of a popular player, to appreciate what he contributed to the team, to remain dubious about the wisdom of the deal but reserve absolute judgments on it. That would maintain consistency without doing a 180 or being harshly critical.
by bobr on Dec 8, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The media likes stories and to rouse the public
And, OMG YOU TRADED THE MVP is a great way to rouse the public.
That’s why one can expect a media backlash.
But media reaction shouldn’t be a reason not to trade Bartlett
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that is often the case, butI don't think it is entirely true of the local media.
My impression is that there is quite a bit of trust between the beat writers and the management and players in TB, and it is based on the reasonableness of the writers who may criticize but not for sensationalism.
by bobr on Dec 8, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
please trade barty!
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Dec 8, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rocco Rumor
Rocco Baldelli is relaxing while he waits to see where he lands. I’d be shocked if Baldelli doesn’t sign with the Red Sox.
Fine by me.
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 8, 2008 11:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If you assume he plays 50% of the time, he's a 1 WAR player.
If you assume 32% (his last three seasons, not years) he’s worth about 0.6 WAR, or 3 mil. 2% 0.5 WAR, ect.
With his illness, I don’t really see constant playing time being sustainable.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This has to be BS
The St. Petersburg Times has heard a “number of reports” indicating that the Rays could be considering a trade that would send Jason Bartlett, Edwin Jackson and Andy Sonnanstine to the Marlins for Jeremy Hermida.
Hermida could definitely be dealt during this week’s winter meetings, but this deal might be a stretch. The Rays are in love with Bartlett and he’s a cheap option at shortstop. The Cubs are also reportedly interested in Hermida.
it should be OR not AND. Who gets the 5th spot? Does this mean we depend on Niemann/Talbot/Davis and Brignac for the whole season? Doubt it.
by joeybw on Dec 8, 2008 12:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yep, you are correct, it was fixed
now its Bartlett or one of them
I still dont know why they want Barty but whatever
by joeybw on Dec 8, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still dont know why they want Barty but whatever
Maybe they want to package him, too. Who knows what they are going to do.
by rglass44 on Dec 8, 2008 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we can do this for Edwin and Barty, I will be a happy man
A “number of reports” are indicating that the Rays could be considering a trade that would send Jason Bartlett and either Andy Sonnanstine or Edwin Jackson to the Marlins for Jeremy Hermida.
While the rumors are getting louder, this still sounds like a stretch. The Rays are in love with Bartlett, and he is a cheap option at shortstop. The Marlins should only want him with the intention of moving him in a separate deal, and they need Hermida’s bat more than they do another arm for their rotation. The Cubs are also reportedly interested in Hermida.
by joeybw on Dec 8, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weird, from Kenny Rosenthal
12:49 p.m. — Dodgers, Yanks talking trade
As the Dodgers try to resolve their infield, they are again talking to the Yankees about a trade for second baseman Robinson Cano. The teams have resumed their discussions about Cano at the winter meetings, according to one source.
The Dodgers also are interested in Yankees center fielder Melky Cabrera, and the Yankees likely would want outfielder Matt Kemp and pitching in return. The Dodgers’ interest in Cabrera is a sign that they might not be confident of Andruw Jones making a strong return in 2009. The Dodgers also need to find a match for Juan Pierre, who has requested a trade.
by rglass44 on Dec 8, 2008 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ned cotelli is an even more of an idiot if he makes that trade
maybe he should offer them aki and sonny for kemp
everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds
by RaysOfHope on Dec 8, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe brignac,sonny and niemann for kemp instead
everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds
by RaysOfHope on Dec 8, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
depends
if we are doing the Hermida trade AND that we have to put Talbot or Davis in the 5 spot and…..Zobrist at SS
by joeybw on Dec 8, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe edwin is going to be a starter again next season, since they are talking to teams about sonny
also i dont want to see zobrist at ss, i rather throw reid brignac into that spot instead, so is the marlins interest in bartlett just because the ss market doesnt have that many cheap options and they want to trade him off to a team such as baltimore or minnesota?
everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds
by RaysOfHope on Dec 8, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm
Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti knocked down a Foxsports.com report that he is “again talking” to the Yankees about acquiring second baseman Robinson Cano, with the Yankees interested in Matt Kemp and pitching.
“It’d be nice to talk first,” Colletti said.
The Dodgers do need a second baseman with Jeff Kent a free agent and possibly retiring, but Colletti has be consistently reluctant to deal Kemp because of his youth and potential. The Dodgers also are in no position to be dealing pitching, as they are looking to replace six free-agent pitchers, most notably Derek Lowe, Brad Penny, Greg Maddux, Joe Beimel and Chan Ho Park.
Dodgers interest in Cano is logical, as manager Joe Torre and third-base coach Larry Bowa had him with the Yankees.
from MLB.com’s Ken Gurnick
by rglass44 on Dec 8, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is very tangential and not driven by anything
but do you think under the right conditions, Aki would be available?
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how much Colletti wants Aki
and what he’s willing to give up.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Update
The Rays are telling clubs that ask about their shortstop, Jason Bartlett, that they’re only willing to trade him in a “major deal.” Would Jeremy Hermida be “major” enough? Stay tuned.
Another Rays note: Yes, they kicked Delmon Young’s name around when the Twins approached them to express interest. But according to one source who talked to the Rays’ brass, they would “never” take Young back.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 1:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i think that hermida would be major enough since he would become our fulltime starter in RF
hmm maybe the marlins are interested in bartlett, to maybe make it a 3 way trade to a team that needs a ss, thats what im thinking at least
everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds
by RaysOfHope on Dec 8, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Hermida at the deadline and I like him now.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Dec 8, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
me to, i like him as a marlin or a ray, but i dont understand the marlins side of this
they are pretty set with their rotation next year with jj,sanchez,miller,volstad and nolasco so are they interested in sonny because they want to deal another 1 of their starters or are they not sold on andrew miller?
everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds
by RaysOfHope on Dec 8, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Injury issues with that rotation..
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Dec 8, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ya thats true, who is joe gordon? just elected to the hall of fame by the veterans committee
everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds
by RaysOfHope on Dec 8, 2008 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Second Baseman who probably shouldn't have gotten in.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Dec 8, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you say that?
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
.268/.357/.466 over 12 years
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Dec 8, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he's a HOFer, but considering the years, that's above league average.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so.
Yankees have not had a leg up on HOF voting, with perhaps a few exceptions where there was a concerted campaign (Rizzuto). The Frisch choices are far more outrageous.
As for Gordon, he was arguably a major star although injuries limited his career length. He was a significant power hitter, and he played an outstanding second base by all accounts. Bill James lists him at #16 among second basemen, ahead of HOFers Doerr, Lazzeri, Evers, Schoendienst, McPhee and Mazeroski as well as possible candidate Kent.
He finished his career with an OPS+ of 120 and in his own time his reputation was high given his All-Star selection in 7 of his 11 years and an MVP award. As a second baseman (he did occasionally play 1B) he averaged nearly 25 home runs per year and in 5707 career ABs had 759 BBs with just 702 Ks.
I have always considered him very borderline, but it is not a really bad choice.
by bobr on Dec 8, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remembered reading his section in James book and was going to look at it tonight when I got home.
by rglass44 on Dec 8, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From Neyer's blog today
To quote my friend Rany Jazayerli: “The best way I can sum up Joe Gordon’s HoF credentials is that he’s one of those guys I always had trouble remembering was not a Hall of Famer. Now they’ve saved me the trouble.”
There’s just always been something about Joe Gordon that felt like a Hall of Famer. Maybe it’s all those home runs, before second basemen knew how to hit home runs. Maybe it’s the nine straight All-Star Games. Maybe it’s the six World Series rings. Maybe it’s the brilliant defense. And maybe, just maybe, it’s because some of Gordon’s best years were with the New York Yankees.
Of course, it’s really all those things. Now, he’s actually the Hall of Famer he’s felt like for so long.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, I never saw him play, but a second sacker with a career 120 OPS+
won 5 WS in 11 seasons, won the MVP, then 2 years later went and fought some little war for 2 years, with a great RF is deserving. You may hate the troops, but I don’t good sir.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he hold a 2B HR record for some time?
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
Career high of 32. His numbers compare closely with Utley on a cursory glance and does anyone doubt where he will end up if he keeps it going?
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Found it on the awesome Wiki
He did hold a single season HR record for 2B w/ 32, until Bret Boone broke it with 36 in 2001.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Bret Boone and Brady Anderson had a kid they would name it Needlejuice
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't recent MVP votes shown that using past MVP votes to value players isn't a smart move?
And WS rings? Really?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Dec 8, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i like to the think somethings were a little more sacred back then
Rings help for sure. This isn’t really the place for the debate, but I would think you have to consider intangibles when talking HOF. It is not comprised of a bunch of guys that hit .330/.415/.500. For Christ sakes even Pete Rose is not nor will ever be in the Hall which is a lowdown dirty shame.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The best 2B of the 1940's
Had great hitting stats for about 8 years, then tailed off quickly. Problem is that most of those great stats came when the rest of the league was fighting WWII.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 8, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only two of those years
were during the war years, and while one had his peak OPS+, they were actually among his lesser home run years. His best slugging years were before and after the war. That one great OPS+ year resulted from his peak BA (.322) season. He spent two war years away from the game and had his one really poor year in 1946 upon his return, from which he rebounded with 3 solid to outstanding seasons until tailing off in his last year.
by bobr on Dec 8, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
does the fact that Hermida has only had 1 average to above average season
in the majors? he still seems like an unknown commodity to me…
by davidsmarch on Dec 8, 2008 2:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that should have read,
does the fact that Hermida has only had 1 average to above average season in the majors not worry any one?
by davidsmarch on Dec 8, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's concerning, given it was a BABIP driven high.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very much so.
I’m still in a Cody Ross induced fog.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have talks with the Cardinals been non existant
I don’t understand why with Ludwick or Schumaker on the block we aren’t making a play, especially Ludwick. I know they just got Greene so they may not want another SS but it seems like a deal involving Jackson and Davis could land Ludwick.
by Dbullsfan on Dec 8, 2008 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not on Ludwick
and especially not if it includes Davis who’s 22.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buying high is rarely a good idea no matter who it is.
It’s one of the reasons I’d be hesitant to extending Balfour right now.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Buy High = bad, unless it’s someone buying high on Bartlett.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But then its the Rays selling high.
On Bartlett/EJax/etc.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JP Howell buys high all the time
It’s no big deal.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 8, 2008 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you really just try and include Davis, or even Jackson for that matter, in a deal for a 29 year old who had a fluke season?
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
because just because you blow up for one season late it's a fluke (see Pena)
I would rather take a chance on a guy like Ludwick than an older guy like Giles.
by Dbullsfan on Dec 8, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then you deal for Nelson Cruz.
Take a chance != trade one of your best young arms for.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pena and Ludwick are different cases
Pena always had the talent of a top prospect. Also Ludwick’s LD% went up from 16.5% in ‘07 to 26.3% in ’08. Pena’s LD% didn’t see a jump like that during his breakout season.
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 8, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His HR/FB% did jump up to 29.1%, though.
Other than 2005 when he played less than half a season, it’s never been over 20%.
by rglass44 on Dec 8, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He had better pitch selection
He went from O-Swings of 26.3% and 34.2% in 05 and 06 to 19.8% and 20.8% in 07 and 08. Sure he K’s a lot, but he walked 199 in his 2 years with the Rays(1219 PA). He walked 209 times in his previous six seasons(1925 PA)
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 8, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed that his approach has improved
I’d be shocked if he’s ever 2007-Pena again. I am happy with an almost that good Carlos, though.
by rglass44 on Dec 8, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed again
I don’t expect 45+ home runs again, but with this team around him he can do 30HR, 100RBI every year.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Were people clamoring on and on about how Ludwick wasn't being given enough of a chance, like with Pena?
Not that I don’t like Ludwick at the right price.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Dec 8, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really sure. I could be wrong but I don't think so. Pena was a top prospect. Ludwick wasn't was he?
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if he was a "top" prospect, but he was highly thought of.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He had some decent years in the minors.
My whole point was no trading Davis+ someone else for Ludwick.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One Pena does not a Ludwick make
Or something like that.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh man...awkward
reid brignac is on fb chat right now…
by daveh33 on Dec 8, 2008 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's only awkward if you talk to him and make it awkward
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't be more awkward than SRQMan telling Desmond Jennings that he can be Crawford with walks...
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's so racist
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't hate!
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
by SRQman on Dec 8, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss his old myspace.
Full of Southwest Michigan blasting and “I’m the GOAT bitch” titles.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
did anyone here ever see andrew mccutchen’s myspace?
by daveh33 on Dec 8, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but there's a good story, isn't there?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was basically not friendly to white people
or all of mankind, for that matter
by daveh33 on Dec 8, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're a star athlete it'd be smart to not have offensive material on your public pages.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 4:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Might be better to just not have a public page.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
by SRQman on Dec 8, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I want so bad
3:14pm: Rosenthal adds that Bradley went to lunch today with Rays officials.
3:12pm: According to SI.com’s Jon Heyman, the Rays are “thought to be considering” Milton Bradley, Pat Burrell, Bobby Abreu, Jason Giambi, and Raul Ibanez. Heyman adds that Ken Griffey Jr. would be thrilled to play for the Rays.
by joeybw on Dec 8, 2008 4:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"...Heyman adds that Ken Griffey Jr. would be thrilled to play for the Rays"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GASP HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
by kericr on Dec 8, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No to Raul Ibanez. But yes to the others. Especially Milton.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE MILTON. PLEASE!
. Heyman adds that Ken Griffey Jr. would be thrilled to play for the Rays.
Hahahahahaha.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your "ha"s aren't enthusiastic enough
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Part of me remembers 90's Griffey and makes me sad that it has come to this.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope more than a part of you remembers 90's Griffey
Best player of an entire decade that got old. It happens.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Second best
Bonds was STILL better.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 8, 2008 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have both Griffey's on my softball team than both Bonds
though.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was my favorite player growing up.
Had he never gotten hurt…
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
same
when i was 12, i wanted the Griffey swing logo tattooed on my bicep… I’m pretty sure my mom nixed that one
by daveh33 on Dec 8, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're not 12 anymore, and Bossman has a swing.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 8, 2008 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Left handers seem to have more aesthetically pleasing swings
And yes, Black Jesus has a pretty one.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Same w/ lefty jump shooters.
A left-handed jumper that is good is a beautiful sight.
by rglass44 on Dec 8, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I personally like Shawn Marion
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even remember what I wanted tattooed on my non-existant bicep when I was 12.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you had biceps at 12, you were hard ass.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mine was Chipper
and I still drool at him DH’ing for the Rays at some point while chasing 500/3000
Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BRADLEYYYYYYYYYYYY
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Dec 8, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Sir
Free-agent outfielder Milton Bradley arrived at the winter meetings on Monday and promptly went to lunch with his agents and officials from the American League champion Tampa Bay Rays.
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 8, 2008 4:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What if he signs at lunch for like 8M, but punches the waiter in the face?
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if the name of the waiter is mike Ditka?
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With Gomes at risk of being nontendered, the Rays need another brawl-type
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd only punch the waiter in the face if he didn't bring out the right meal.
And it’s not so much a punch, but a more direct way of telling the waiter, “This isn’t what I ordered.”
With his fist.
by kericr on Dec 8, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Bravo
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any way if we sign Bradley
We can dress him up in a full Nerf suit for the rest of the offseason so he doesn’t injure himself punching waiters or yelling at people?
by Albertrayon on Dec 8, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They Say
That Milton Bradley is so tough, that under his beard there is no chin. Just another first.
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 8, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez how many firsts does he have?
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 8, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Milton Bradley doesn't have firsts.
He has epiphanies.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schwing!
I fail myself for that one.
Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
AHHHH SO HARD I AM!
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
by SRQman on Dec 8, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did the asian kid walk in or something?
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 8, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah...Lunch with Milton
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.
by SRQman on Dec 8, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The azn kid is named milton?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Dec 8, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i do love bradley,
but i gotta ask, what happened to his HR power the second half of last season?
by davidsmarch on Dec 8, 2008 4:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
my point exactly
this man can never stay healthy, is he really worth the risk?
by davidsmarch on Dec 8, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So who's Andrew taking out for Dinner?
Hermida? Giambi?
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 8, 2008 4:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hermida has no control over his destination.
So I say Giambi.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 8, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Takes Giambi to the Rhino
Takes Benifest to dinner.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 8, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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