Winter Meetings Day Three Open Thread

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 8:54 PM EST Comment 204 comments

What we learned on day two:

- The Rays and Jason Giambi met and ate at N9ne Steakhouse.

- Marc Topkin reports the Rays will meet with Bobby Abreu's agent within 24 hours. The suggestion that Abreu might play the outfield for the Rays is terrifying.

- Topkin also reports that Dave Myers has replaced Gary Gaetti as Triple-A hitting coach.

- The interest in Delmon Young is apparently smoke.

- The Rays and Cards conversed.

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Lets not forget

The Rays added another Rookie Level team, question is where they’ll play with the Stonecrabs occupying the PC stadium. Naimoli Complex?

by FromAybarToZobrist on Dec 9, 2008 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Al Lang?

It’s still there for the time being, right?

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

emailed Topkin

The GCL Rays will be playing games in the same stadium as the Stonecrabs, seeing as GCL games are played early on during the day.

by FromAybarToZobrist on Dec 10, 2008 12:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

True

Usually they’re on around 11 am.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Giambi isn't getting any younger

but I’ve always been a big fan of his. Such an amazing batter. I would love having him on the Rays. Him or Bradley and I’d be thrilled. Although I like Bradley being a switch hitter over getting another lefty batter.

by Albertrayon on Dec 9, 2008 9:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

For me aquiring either would lead me to ask why. Yes I know that both can post serious power numbers and signing both would fill the void for the DH/RF spot.

With that being said, team chemistry would become a serious issue. I am afraid the negative impact both would have in the clubhouse. My issue is mostly with Bradley though. A couple of those outbursts and temper tanrums could lead to disharmony and really screw with some of the young guys in that locker room. Next thing you know, Bossman is throwing tantrums of his own. I say sign guys who will maintain what we already have, which is a fluid, relatively calm clubhouse.

I say trade for Billy Butler Jeremy Hermida which would seem to fitnicely within the young nucleus we already have.

by TheUltimateBucFan on Dec 9, 2008 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

When was the last time Bradley had an off-the-field issue?

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He argued with that announcer

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 9, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The announcer instigated, if I'm right.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 9, 2008 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

A Rangers fan posted here a while ago about that incident.

I can’t understand how this occurs:

Bradley was young, had anger problems, hasn’t had an incident in a year-plus. Gets labeled as a problem.
Hamilton was young, had drug problems, hasn’t had an incident in a year-plus. Gets labeled as an idol.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think we already know how this occurs.

You know what, F*ck it. I was going to make a joke. Bradley is black.

by kericr on Dec 9, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Good point, he hasn't had many, if any off the field issues lately (that the public knows of)....

But I’m talkin in house. You don’t think the first time he tells Maddon to fuck off that a young guy like Upton would follow suit? Just using Upton as an example of course, not saying he’d do anything (see Delmon Young’s antics…he didn’t say much) Bradley is one hell of a talent, I’m just saying why put themselves in a position where you have a free spirit like Giambi or a shit like Bradley can be stink up the locker room?

by TheUltimateBucFan on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

How do you know Bradley would do anything of the sort?

And how do you know Butler or Hermida aren’t going to cause any problems?

I’m not entirely sure about the free spirit comment, but Jonny Gomes is pretty liberated.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I know Bradley will flip about as much as I know the next time it will snow in St Pete. All I'm saying is the percentages are there more so of Bradley flying off the handle than either of Butler or Hermida....

And I’m not saying the Rays will sign either. I just think with the makeup of the current club that the Rays should stick with the youth and if they get a vet, be sure he has the veteran leadership of a Cliff Floyd (except he actually produces more and doesn’t get hurt as often).

by TheUltimateBucFan on Dec 9, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Beej is a young intelligent guy

I would be more worried about him getting pissed at Bradley than mimicking the actions

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 9, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought he was taking on some of DY traits. Am I wrong on that?

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2008 8:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

by rglass44 on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

BJ Upton got picked off before the next pitch was thrown to DY

after the bat indecent. He ran in the clubhouse and chewed him out. He’s nothing like DY. Bossman is a leader.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Dec 10, 2008 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

fail

his name is BOSSMAN. not Bossboy the 8th grader imitating the cool high school boys. c’mon

by daveh33 on Dec 9, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why do you think Upton

would be influenced? Why not Kazmir? or Garza? or Iwamura? or Longoria? or Crawford?

Upton proved to be an exceptionally mature young man this year. Through all the criticisms and all the problems he had, he never once threw a public tantrum, never once blamed anyone or anything for his problems. When he was disciplined, he never made an excuse, never tried to shift blame, never tried to downplay his responsibility. In fact, all year he had nothing but praise and gratitude for Maddon, and every player on the Rays who spoke up only had strong words of support for Upton.

And if there is some concern about Bradley, do you think the front office and Maddon are unaware of it? They knew there was concern about Garza’s temperament but risked taking him anyway. And if they do manage to sign Bradley, I am sure it will be after full consideration of the dangers.

by bobr on Dec 9, 2008 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I am sure Friedman and the gang are doing their due diligience amd will do what's best for the team. As for Upton, I only used him as an example which I plainly stated. Of course any of the young guys could be influenced. I'm not a Bradley hater....

I just wonder is he the right fit for this team. Whoever they sign, it’ll only be a 1 year deal anyways. So if we do sign Bradley, maybe we will be the stop on his quest to play for every team on MLB

by TheUltimateBucFan on Dec 9, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If we could get Milton at 3/27 I would hope we jump on that.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

With all that I have written and said about him, I would hope we take that too and take our chances....the man has skills

by TheUltimateBucFan on Dec 9, 2008 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's a risk, but in our situation you have to take them.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes plz.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 9, 2008 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bradley was off the field when he tried to attack the umpire.

Or off his rocker.

by floridaroar on Dec 9, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The umpire apparently wasn't very nice to him either.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think we're interested in signing the Umpire.

by floridaroar on Dec 9, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and FTR, I do want Bradley here... if the price is right.

I’m just giving you a hard time. I don’t think his attitude will be an issue at all.

by floridaroar on Dec 9, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I really don't think Bradley's attitude would be a problem.

For the most part, the players on the Rays have been in the organization for a few years now and know each other. Bradley will be the new guy, with maybe only one other new fielder. He won’t be able to come in and negatively affect the other players’ attitudes. If he stirs shit up, the Rays will point to their recent past of dealing douchebags (see Young, Dukes) and wave bye bye. But I really don’t see that happening, and the Rays aren’t so desperate for a big star, nor is Bradley near a big enough star, that you let their antics disrupt your team.

by Albertrayon on Dec 9, 2008 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Milton hasn't stirred up much trouble in the clubhouse.

It’s more external troubles (the announcer, the ump, etc.) than the clubhouse.

Jeff Kent doesn’t count, because he’s an asshole.

So, I don’t think Milton will be a character problem.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 9, 2008 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bradley plz.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 9, 2008 9:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Lancaster and Topkin are reporting

There’s a mystery 4th person we will talk to.

Also there was nothing close in trades just yet, but something does have “legs”

by FromAybarToZobrist on Dec 9, 2008 10:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

My guess on 4th person: Raul Ibanez.

As a DH, of course.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 9, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Burrell?

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 9, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I was hoping Pat.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm hoping Pat. I'm just guessing Raul.

since a LOT of interest has been expressed in him, and it might be smart just to have a little chat with him.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 9, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hopefully not by a fire, less his wooden legs catch ablaze.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

His legs are made of stone, not wood.

He doesn’t get hurt.

Wood breaks. Stone doesn’t.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 9, 2008 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So his legs are eroding?

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Eventually, maybe.

It’s more that they can’t move. IDK.

I can’t think straight. Bleh finals.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 9, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Winter break begins at 10 AM for me.

But from 6-10 it’s going to be hell.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What you got at 6?

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 9, 2008 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

7:30ish, algebra.

I have math so much.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You have math so much?

Good luck though.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 9, 2008 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently I hate language too.

Same to you.

I’m picturing sleeping in on Thursday and I’m loving it.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You hate math?

RJ, the man of a million graphs and stats?

"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige

by Steve Slowinski on Dec 9, 2008 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

It’s algebra. Just turn it into baseball stats, silly.

If the batter gets X hits in 10 ABs and has a .300 average, then how many hits does he have?

Come on RJ, we believe in you!

by rglass44 on Dec 9, 2008 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Statistics ==/== "math" to some people

I can’t think of the word that distinguishes algebra/calculus from statistics right now, but they’re completely different camps of “math”. And the latter often gets grouped into “math”.

I know quite a few math majors who are driven insane by statistics.

This probably makes no sense.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 9, 2008 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dealing with baseball stats have helped my general math skills.

But yes, I hate math.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2008 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Im the opposite

Other than being a 3D animator, I also got a minor in mathematics for fun in college (even though I was an art major). I have always been good at math and am just now starting to really understand all of these crazy baseball stats that a lot of you guys live and breathe. But yeah, stats and algebra are totally different hemispheres of math. Algebra is much more abstract whereas stats is computational.

by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 9, 2008 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting.

I think baseball “stats” is very algebraic (in the 8th grade sense, not the college-level sense) and computational, yes. But the field of statistics is about as anti-plug-and-chug as you can get. It’s all about measuring uncertainty and INexactness. There are formulas and rules, sure, but interpretation, experimental design, and throwing out the right/wrong dichotomy are key players of statistics.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 10, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

man i cant wait for us to sign giambi or bradley!

and possibly trade for a RF!

everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds

by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 12:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Me too! ^_^

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
09: This one is for all the rings.

by SRQman on Dec 10, 2008 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

so how many of you guys bought the dark knight today?

i sure in hell did.

everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds

by RaysOfHope on Dec 10, 2008 1:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

bought? DVD?

I do not know these words.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Dec 10, 2008 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If by 'bought', you mean downloaded for free off the internet...

…then yes.

Actually though, I’ll probably pony up the cash for it after christmas; it was good enough to add to my collection.

by kericr on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Big chip falls....Sabathia to Yankees

NY POST

CC Sabathia is not going to play on the West Coast. He is not going to play in the National League. CC Sabathia is going to be a Yankee, The Post has learned exclusively.

There are still minor hurdles to finalize, notably that Sabathia must pass a physical. But after so much belief that Sabathia was stalling because he wanted to avoid New York, he agreed to the largest pitching contract in major league history, at least $140 million

We can now expect to face him 4-5 times a year….

7-1, 2.44 ERA in 11 starts vs. Rays.

2-1, 3.77 ERA in 6 starts at the Trop.

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 8:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Or his fat ass can get hurt

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

those stats are dumb. everyone owned the Rays until this year.

by walkoffwalk on Dec 10, 2008 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

IMO this deal is preferrable for us

As opposed to the one that sees them spread that money around 2-3 good to pretty durn good starters. He’s only one guy. He has a chance to get injured. And there’s a better chance that we’d miss him completely during a series. I’d rather face him 4-5 times than 13 starts from good to pretty durn good starters.

by PlayOnWords on Dec 10, 2008 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ugh

Reports are 7 years, 160 million. It still looks better than the Zito contract at the time it was signed, but that’s a lot of scratch for a guy with weight problems who’s coming off a year where he put extra stress on his arm. Every big splash free agent signing other than Mussina and maybe Matsui the Yankees have made in the past decade has come back to bite them in the butt at some point (ARod was a trade, so he doesn’t count, but in the past decade their big free agents have been: Giambi, Damon, Pavano, J. Wright, Igawa, Clemens, Tom Gordon, Matsui, Wells, Mussina). I don’t doubt this one would turn out the same way, eventually.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Giambi wasn’t a dud, Damon has played well, Clemens was good, Matsui is good, and Mussina was good. Even David Wells wasn’t terrible.

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

"has come back to bite them in the butt at some point"

Note the last three words.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

7/160 is a nice chunk of change.

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think A-Rod will be the signing that will bite them in the butt the most.

eventually. He’s a really, really, really good player, but I could see problems as he approaches 40.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bartolo. Colon.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hermida deal unlikely...

Gammons

The Marlins’ payroll came in a little better than expected, so other than moving catcher Matt Treanor, the Phish don’t have to move anyone. So unless they get blown away by a Jeremy Hermida offer, he will stay in Florida.

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 8:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

So who is our new best cheap RF option?

Of course assuming we use the bulk of our money to sign one of the available DH types (Bradley, Giambi, Burell, Abreu, etc)

Should we push hard for one of the spare Cardinal or Indians outfielders? Kemp or Ethier? Nelson Cruz? Nick Evans? Not Delmon Young?

by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 10, 2008 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Uncle Ned has said they're not trading their young players; Kemp, Ethier, etc

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Greg Norton is available

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cheap RF option?

Did you guys not see the ESPN 360 piece on us? Our cheap option will come from inside the system on a platoon. Nando/Ruggiano/Aybar/Zob. Remember who we are, I know that we are all excited about our success, but if we want to maintain that success we have to keep our econmic model in check. I agree that we should look at reasonable DH options in this buyers market. However, only a year or two contract.

by CyKaz on Dec 10, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Unless you can get Milton for 3/27, then you sign like hell.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wily Aybar

by rglass44 on Dec 10, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

After the words CC and Delmon had in the offseason, i doubt the org would even attempt to bring DY back.

by walkoffwalk on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Here we go.....

Perrotto

The Rays have added Ken Griffey Jr. to their list of free-agent targets to fill their designated hitter void.

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 9:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Dan Patrick is reporting that Tom Verducci is reporting that the Red Sox are very interested in John Smoltz. Weird.

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's worth like 0.6 WAR as a DH.

He’s absolutely awful and the Rays don’t need him.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But...but...he lives in Orlando

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He has an awfully pretty smile.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But Ken Griffey Slugfest....

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But rocks.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No No No

Ken Griffey Jr’s Major League Baseball for the N64 was better. You had the code for the automatic home run and you could make players fly.

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's got some purdy whites

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is it weird that I have never paid attention to his teeth?

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I owned this game.

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wtf did they do to his lips?

by floridaroar on Dec 10, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sign Griffey for 600k

just so I can see him take BP with a backwards Rays hat. He doesn’t have to play, just hit lots of BP HR’s

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 9:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

During games he can dress as Raymond.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Forget Raymond

Just have Griffey be the mascot. Have him dance, walk around, pet cownose Rays with Todd. It’s all about fan experience with a future HOF’er.

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wade Boggs worked out splendidly.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This reminds me of A League of Their Own

Walter Harvey: You go out, wave your cap, give the people a thrill.
Jimmy Dugan: Why don’t you get an organ grinder, I could do a little dance.
Walter Harvey: If your knees are up for it, go ahead.

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't even need him to dress as Raymond.

Just have him walk around. People recognize him. He’d be a much cooler version of Raymond.

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd

by td32 on Dec 10, 2008 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

CRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZ

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 9:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

from Rangers land

Jamey Newberg puts out a daily trade rumor thing related Rangers players.

In today’s update:

* Tampa Bay likes Nelson Cruz and wants to trade Edwin Jackson.

I would spontaneously combust in joy if that deal happened

by Jason Collette on Dec 10, 2008 9:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

YESYESYESYES

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you Santa. I mean Jason.

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Holy ####

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Jackson in Texas = Disaster

I love it

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Related news....

Someone I know in Vegas had the chance to chat with Nolan Ryan yesterday and Ryan noted that the Rangers are in the market for power arms.

by Jason Collette on Dec 10, 2008 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

There is NOTHING

wrong with Edwin Jacksons arm. Infact it gets stronger

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And like wine, the more you get of it, the more sick you get.

Wait.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're drinking the wrong wines

Wines in a box suck :)

by Jason Collette on Dec 10, 2008 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

he had two great starts in his only trip there, I think?

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

6 IP 1 ER 6 K

career 3.33 ERA in 27 IP at Texas

by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 10, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If that deal happened I would need a new pair of boxers

by Jason Collette on Dec 10, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nelson Cruz boxers

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's so pretty

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I like their unis too.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it'd be cause to leave work early

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So....

C-Navarro
1B-Pena
2B-Aki
SS-Bartlett
3B-Longo
LF-CC
CF-BJ
RF-Cruz
DH-Bradley/Giambino/Burrell

That would be a great offense….

by td32 on Dec 10, 2008 10:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Cruz and Burrell/Bradley would mask against LHP

by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 10, 2008 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

mash*

1. Iwamura 2B
2. Crawford LF
3. Upton CF
4. Bradley DH
5. Longoria 3B
6. Pena 1B
7. Cruz RF
8. Navarro C
9. Bartlett SS

yes please

by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 10, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Reaction:

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

However

" Tampa Bay likes Nelson Cruz and wants to trade Edwin Jackson."

While thats great and all that the Rays like Cruz, it really doesnt mention the Rangers intrest in trading Cruz or wanting to acquire Jackson.

by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 10, 2008 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Shhhhhhh

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

haha I know I know

by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 10, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude. Buzzkill.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

more of a buzz kill than Buzz Killington

by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 10, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sad, but true.

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Toronto

"According to Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun, the Blue Jays have discussed Astros third baseman Ty Wigginton and have looked at Rays shortstop Jason Bartlett. "

Bartlett for Lind?

by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 10, 2008 10:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

But Scutaro. McDonald. Hill. Adams. Ect.

McDonald is paid too much.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Unless they're dealing one for Wigginton.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Fat Ty back in the East would be great

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah but then Tejada would have to be traded.

The Jays probably won’t deal Hill. McDonald is useless to the Stros until Tejada is dealt. Scoot might interest the Stros though.

And nobody wants Tejada

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I got another one!

The Rays could become serious suitors for Cardinals outfielder Rick Ankiel.
In Edwin Jackson and Andy Sonnanstine, Tampa Bay might have exactly what the Cardinals are looking for: starting pitching. The Yankees and three other teams are also thought to have interest in Ankiel, who hit .264 with 25 home runs and 71 RBI in 120 games last season.

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 11:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Edwin Jackson is pitching.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Mike Maddux can have him

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Mike Maddux is awesome. I wanted him to be our manager.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Dec 10, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Edwin for Ankiel, Sonny for Ludwick.

Which, if either, would you prefer? Ankiel’s signe for one more year, Ludwick for three.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 10, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ed for Ankiel

Just because I don’t want to trade Sonny, and I’m not entirely sure Ludwick is any better going forward.

by rglass44 on Dec 10, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ludwick's interesting.

He’s had two full seasons in the majors, at +6 and +39 runs compared to average, offensively. Marcel puts him at +19 runs next year. Bil James is at +15. Let’s go with +15 to be conservative.

1.5 WAR offense
-.75 WAR position
-.5 WAR fielding (bUZR)
2 WAR replacement
Total: 2.25 WAR, or just about average for an AL position player. Doesn’t seem worth it, since that’s just about what the RF platoon provided last year. But if he’s +39 runs again and plays like average defense like the Cards fans think he can…

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 10, 2008 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Microsoft.

by walkoffwalk on Dec 10, 2008 11:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Then rooting for the Red Sox = rooting for Apple.

The pesky guys with their uber-annoying cult following.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And so hip...

I bet they have a Starbucks at Fenway.

by rglass44 on Dec 10, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

I wouldn't doubt it.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok choose your path

Lets all agree that the cheaper and more awesome Giambi DH

Which one would you pick?

A)Hermida/Giambi
B)Cruz/Giambi
C)Ankiel/Giambi
D)Any of them/Bradley

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 11:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

B

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ankiel/Bradley is sick sick sick.

So I vote D.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

C is best

Ankiel still hasn’t fully shown what he can do in the outfield if healthy for a full season…and has the motivation of being in his contract season.

by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 10, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

D

Bradley is #1 on my list. Get Bradley and we’ll talk about the other part later

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I want Bradley, but I'd be perfectly happy with Cruz/Giambi

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This

I would be so excited for an Ankiel/Bradley combo, but I wouldn’t mind any combo.

by rglass44 on Dec 10, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And my vote is D also

Cruz/Bradley is actually what I want

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

D

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

C, not because Bradley is a bad clubhouse guy but because Giambi is a great clubhouse guy

it is widely reported that he works great with young hitters and with potentially
Upton, Longoria, Brignac, Crawford, Navarro, and Ankiel (a little older but young in experience) all potentially starting (if Barty gets moved) we could use a guy like the Giambino

by Dbullsfan on Dec 10, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

damn too many potentially, I guess I just got excited at the thought

by Dbullsfan on Dec 10, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Since the "Bradley is a bad clubhouse guy" is really piss-poor logic

D: Because Giambi tested positive for Steroids.

Hell, Texas would love to have Bradley back, just not at 9M a year with the pitching concerns they have.

by kericr on Dec 10, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Substance abuse problems are more forgivable than emotion problems I guess.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The funny thing is, a steroids substance abuse problem directly correlates into emotional problems to this argument fails.

by kericr on Dec 10, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

*so, not to

dammit

by kericr on Dec 10, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

D.

Less likely to fall apart, more likely to sign 2-4 years for below market value.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

E) Cruz and Bradley

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 10, 2008 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OPT OUT CLAUSE :|

10:14am: Tim Brown and Gordon Edes of Yahoo report that the deal is for $161MM over seven years (which would top Johan’s average annual value). The deal has an opt-out clause after the first three years, which are worth $69MM. The 31 year-old Sabathia will make his opt-out decision after the 2011 season with four years, $92MM remaining on the deal.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 11:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I find this hilarious.

If he’s hurt the Yanks are stuck with him, if he’s good he can bolt. Hahahahaha.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

BTW who is Dave Myers ???

by Dbullsfan on Dec 10, 2008 11:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Former M's coach.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Probably saw this yesterday

But Edes wrote about how the Rays were smitten with Bradley. This made me laugh.

Milton Bradley was among players in town for Eddie Guardado’s charity poker tournament.

Why does Eddie freaking Guardado ahve a charity poker tournament.

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

or have

by Erik Hahmann on Dec 10, 2008 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What else is Guardado going to do?

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Eat

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He and Carlos Silva can eat tacos together.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The M's need to trade Silva for a player named Taco so I can write another fake food conversation.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Silva's nickname is Chef.

Everyday Chef.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Implied.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Back as an option?

According to the New York Daily News, the Mets might not be able to afford Raul Ibanez.

The paper suggests that after signing Francisco Rodriguez and re-inking Oliver Perez, the Mets might call it quits in the free agent market. That’s kind of hard to believe, especially if the crosstown Yankees continue their spending.

by Dbullsfan on Dec 10, 2008 11:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

They reinked perez?

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

for another team? Sure

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Perez = Boras client. He won't reink w/o testing market.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's what we said about Pena as well.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Phillies are interested in Raul.

That would be dumber than the Mets getting him.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Replace one crappy fielder with an older, more prone to breakdowns crappy fielder.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hmm I guess Ron Washington doesn't expect Cruz gone

Manager Ron Washington said Tuesday that Nelson Cruz will hit cleanup for the Rangers if they don’t add any offense this winter.

Washington said he wants a right-handed bat behind lefty Josh Hamilton, who will remain third in the order. Cruz went nuts in Triple-A last season, finishing at that level with a .342 batting average, 37 homers and 99 RBI. He was called up in late August and showcased the same kind of power in the majors. Cruz should definitely be on fantasy radars, especially if he’s going to consistently bat behind Hamilton next season.

by Dbullsfan on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

The Royals and Rangers are not amusing to me.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Useless post incoming

but I have a prediction!

Tonight we have dinner with Dunn
tomorrow, Burrell
Friday with Ibanez
Saturday we buy Griffey some cotton candy

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Friday is when you go out and find hookers.

Raul Ibanez can take his lawn darts to an NL team (I want to see more of them).

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

2/20 for Wood. If he stays healthy he's worth it.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 10, 2008 12:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

nice

NOOOOOOO IZTURIS IS OFF THE MARKET

Alright, maybe in 2010, we can try again.

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hermida might be done.

One of those two trade proposals the Marlins submitted Tuesday was rejected early Wednesday morning by the defending American League champion Rays.

Jeremy Hermida for two top pitching prospects, likely from a group including RHPs Jeff Niemann, Wade Davis, Jeremy Hellickson and Mitch Talbot.

Per Sun Sentinel…

I wouldn’t be too hesitant to trading one of Davis or Hellboy for Hermida. When you have a surplus, you deal with it. Yes, you WANT to wheel and deal with Sonny and Jackson, but for someone who’s under team control for a long time, Hellickson/Davis might be the price to pay.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Not for Hermida though

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

the Hermida love needs to be tempered somewhat,

in no way is he even worth Davis or Hellickson straight up. I might go so far as to say he’s not even worth Niemann straight up. once again, fans undervalue our prospects simply b/c we have a surplus.

Hermida = one good season…

by davidsmarch on Dec 10, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hermida >>> Niemann

And I don’t even like Niemann. If we’re looking only at the next two years, Hermida’s value to the team as currently constructed greatly outweighs Hellickson and Davis’ values to the team.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

in no way is he even worth Davis or Hellickson straight up.

How do you figure?

Hermida was better in the minors, a better prospect, has done at the big league level, etc.

by rglass44 on Dec 10, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Blech IDK.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

More I think of it, yeah,

Maybe not Hermida, but I wouldn’t put the “untouchable” label on either of them.

Dude. This.

by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Juan Salas some love...

BP article on cheap relievers who could have an impact

Juan Salas: Four years ago, Salas was a third baseman with an 80 arm and Joe Shlabotnik’s bat; today, he’s seven years older, and a power reliever who strikes fear into the hearts of International League batters. If not for visa problems and a drug suspension, his mid-90s cutter might’ve made him the third reliever Joe Maddon called upon in Game Five.

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 1:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Otherwise, there’s some Rays-related chatter in reports coming out of other teams, including possible interest in Cardinals OF Rick Ankiel and Rangers OF Nelson Cruz, and yet another mention of SS Jason Bartlett as a potential trade target, this time by Toronto

by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2008 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

On the Hermida front

Niemann and Talbot can be considered. If they demanded one of Davis/Hellickson, thank god we have a smart GM

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 1:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Damnit put Snider on the table or throw some money at us for Rios

The Blue Jays are looking at Jason Bartlett as a potential trade target, according to the St. Petersburg Times.
A deal involving Bartlett remains a major long shot, as the Rays aren’t ready to replace him with Reid Brignac yet. The Jays wouldn’t seem to have much to entice them unless the Rays were especially high on Adam Lind. Travis Snider wouldn’t be on the table, and the Rays probably wouldn’t want to take on the contract of Alex Rios.

Lind is certainly a good player though.

by joeybw on Dec 10, 2008 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs