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The curse of being a high draft pick

Lets start in good ol' 2000, the year of Y2K, we drafted Rocco Baldelli, sure hes worked out in the short term, when he isnt injured he shows grest talent, but hes been injured over the past 3 years, and is easily out of Tampa.

In 2001, we drafted Dewon Brazelton in the 1st rd. and Jon Switzer in the 2nd rd. I can say without any doubt that both have been screw-ups, Brazelton's career line doesnt look like he was drafted in the 1st rd. 8-25 6.38 ERA 271 innings, 151BB 145K, now hes a non-roster invitee in St.Louis, as for Switzer, his "best" year was back in 06 he was 2-2 4.54 ERA in 40 G, in 2007 he was 0-2, 8.05 ERA and 27H in 19 innings.

In 2002, we drafted Dukes in the 3rd round, if he kept his act together, he would've been great, but eventually he was traded for Glenn Gibson who put up good stats a Class A, oooooo Class A. None the less, hes in Washington, maybe he'll win a starting job, maybe he won't. At least hes not here anymore.

Note: We drafted Luke Scott in the 45th round of the 2000 draft, was a starter in Houston and was good. Now hes a the starting Left Fielder for Baltimore.

Just because you were a high draft pick, doesnt always mean results.

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Re: The curse of being a high draft pick
Absolutely true. On the other hand, look at the Rays 2004 draft:
  1. Niemann
  2. Brignac
  3. Wade Davis
  4. McGee
  5. Royster
  6. Fernando Perez
  7. Rhyne Hughes
  8. Sonnanstine
19 Nowak

Of course, it could further prove your point as none of them may succeed. But right now, it looks as if some gems are there. If teams knew then what they know now, would Davis and McGee have lasted to the 3rd and 5th rounds?

by bobr on Feb 26, 2008 10:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Better question perhaps
Would they have lasted until the 5th pick?

by R.J. Anderson on Feb 26, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: The curse of being a high draft pick
Tip of the hat for the Nowak props!

by ttnorm on Feb 26, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From the DRB guide:
Chris Nowak
First / Third Base
Bats: Right
Throws: Right
DOB: 2/21/1983
Birthplace: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
2007 Team: Montgomery

Nowak's probably the most underrated player on the Biscuits' roster, but he played a nice third wheel behind Reid Brignac and John Jaso this year. A 6'5" monster Nowak has the versatility to play any of the corner positions, and his bat would seemingly allow him to do so as well - since being drafted he's posting OPSs of .730 (Hudson Valley), .841 (Southwest Michigan), .875 (Visalia), and .836 this prior year. Early in his career he appeared to be a poor man's Eric Karros, but suddenly he learned what a strike was and began walking because free bases are very good. He'll start at Durham this year, and frankly I like to think that he could become what the similar Wes Bankston never could - a serviceable bench player in his prime - but for now I'll take a wait and see approach, especially since a man this big should be hitting more than seven homeruns in 104 games, that being said I can see Nowak breaking out in Durham's hitter friendly ballpark and becoming mighty inviting trade bait if he doesn't find himself on the Rays' bench late in the year, but his old man skills really don't indicate he'll translate over.

by R.J. Anderson on Feb 26, 2008 11:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: From the DRB guide:
Very nice.  I see Nowak as a taller Gary Redus clone as a hitter.  1st rate control of the strike zone, high OBP guy, a stolen base threat, range and glove to play 3rd, MVP of Southern playoffs suggests that he doesn't mind the big stage.

I hope he gets to play 3rd in Durham.  That is his ticket to the show (3B, COF).  He has been blocked by Longoria at that spot for the last season and 1/2.

Go get em Chris!

by ttnorm on Feb 26, 2008 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: The curse of being a high draft pick
Where can I get a copy of the DRB Guide

by JA on Feb 27, 2008 10:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: The curse of being a high draft pick
It will be available at the latest on Friday, but RJ may pull the trigger a little early. It has turned out pretty well, we have put a lot of hard work into it.
General Manager Manifesto Matt Bishoff

by Matt Bishoff on Feb 27, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: The curse of being a high draft pick
Aren't you guys going to wait for the Bonds signing before releasing it? :)

by gerzowitz on Feb 27, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: The curse of being a high draft pick
You are right that being a high draft pick does not mean results, I think that has become evident over the years, but a curse?
General Manager Manifesto Matt Bishoff

by Matt Bishoff on Feb 27, 2008 12:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: The curse of being a high draft pick
"Note: We drafted Luke Scott in the 45th round of the 2000 draft, was a starter in Houston and was good. Now hes a the starting Left Fielder for Baltimore. "

That's a bunk argument.  LOTS of guys with high round talent aren't taken until the later rounds because of signability concerns or other commitments.  I can think of about a dozen guys off the top who we drafted on a flier in later rounds who didn't sign and later became good major leaguers or high draft picks (David Bush, Mike Pelfrey, and Jacoby Ellsbury are a few quick examples), but they were drafted late because they were considered unsignable, not because they weren't considered to have talent.  Occasionally one of those unsignable guys signs (see DJ Jones this year, for example).  Also, occasionally the scouts vastly underrate someone and they just turn out to be much better than they thought (i.e. Albert Pujols) or someone develops more than people would expect in the minors (i.e. James Shields).  Still, every statistical study I've seen gives draft position an extremely high correlation with making it to the majors.  The correlation gets a little lower when you look at who will become an average major leaguer or who will become a star.

A lot of picks flame out at every level.  More high picks flame out simply because everyone expects every high pick to do well.  They don't.  However, even when the high picks flame out, they still tend to have more success than most low-round picks.

by Brickhaus on Feb 27, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: The curse of being a high draft pick
Point taken, although I'm not sure David Bush (4th round) falls in that category.  If he does, might as well add Andrew Miller (3rd round) and Billy Buckner (9th round) to the list along with all the others.

by RATW on Feb 27, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: The curse of being a high draft pick
Miller absolutely was drafted later because of signability.  There had been speculation the Rays were going to take him with the top pick that year.  IMO, the 3rd round was way too high to draft him, because he was looking for high 1st round money and the Rays simply werent going to shell out that kind of jack.  It was a waste of a 3rd round pick, as he should have been drafted later, then try your best to sign him.

by td32 on Feb 27, 2008 9:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's not true
They did make an effort to sign him.  If I'm not mistaken, they did offer him elite money.  A couple million dollars.  That is making an effort to sign him.  He chose the college route, and made more money, but the Rays did try and sign him and for a lot of money, they weren't cheap.

by Tyler on Feb 27, 2008 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: That's not true
The point is you dont waste a 3rd round pick on a kid unless you are pretty confident you know what it will take to sign him.  If he was going to be a difficult sign, use a 10th round choice on him and offer him elite money.  

by td32 on Feb 28, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: The curse of being a high draft pick
"There had been speculation the Rays were going to take him with the top pick that year."

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That was the year we took Delmon Young.  As far as I know, there were really only three names the Rays admittedly discussed.. Young, Rickie Weeks and Ryan Harvey.  Whether Miller dropped due to questions about control or due to signability, I don't know for sure.  Either way, it's not much of a drop and he definitely did not sign.

by RATW on Feb 27, 2008 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: The curse of being a high draft pick
.. and I think Lastings Milledge came up in draft coverage.

Anyways, apologies for sidetracking the discussion.

by RATW on Feb 27, 2008 11:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: The curse of being a high draft pick
Also, I didn't mention Josh hamilton because he now has a fresh start as a starter in the Rangers associaton.
"Life is great, if you're a starter."

by BombinRays on Feb 27, 2008 9:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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