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Sunday Afternoon in Durham

Although I live in California, I had the rare chance to be in Durham this weekend, thanks to a side trip from visiting my brother who lives in Greenville, NC.  Today the Bulls beat Scranton 2-0, in a multi-pitcher 2-hit shutout.  On its face, that sounds great.  But it wasn't all rosy...still, positive overall.

Admittedly just an outsider's snapshot, but here's what I saw.

First the positives:

1.  The Experience.  Durham has an outstanding park, and watching a game here is a real treat.  I'd never been there before, and it reminds me a lot of a smaller Camden Yards, with a brickyard feel adjacent to old industry, in this case, the tobacco industry.  The Lucky Strike smokestack loomed over the field, with an artificial water feature below.  (I loved the irony of the No Smoking signs near the restaurants, just under the big smokestack.)  The park itself is really among the better game experiences I've had; in California, only Raley Field in Sacramento is comparable at the minor league level.  If you haven't been to Durham, you've got to go.

2.  Team Patience at the Plate.  The Bulls worked several 3-ball counts, and drew quite a few walks.  Signs of decent coaching.

3.  John Rodriguez.  The Bulls only managed 6 hits, but the most impressive of these was by Rodriguez.  He showed particular poise on an 0-2 count, poking a tough slider of the plate the other way into left--most impressive moment of the game.  Even when he stuck out looking later on a close pitch, he looked like he had his head in the game doing it.  Sounds odd, but he gave that impression.  He looks like he has a plan at the plate.

4.  Gimenez' Defense.  Solid behind the plate, seemed to call a good game, arm accurate and strong--threw out 2 base runners.

5.  Pitching Toughness.  Several Bulls pitchers had to work out of jams, and showed
 poise under pressure.

6.  Wool-E-Bull.  Gotta love the bull.

Now the downsides:

1.  Joel Guzman. Guzman looked lost out there, both offensively and defensively  In the field, he fumbled but recovered on a couple routine grounders.  He also had a judgment lapse--opting to tag a runner coming into third when it was an easy force out.  At the plate, he tended to flail an/or guess wrong--like he doesn't have a clear plan what to do.  Just the opposite of Rodriguez.

2.  Jon Weber.  He's overmatched by a half decent fastball, and can't adjust to offspeed stuff.

3.  Kevin Lynn.  No control, walked several, and many 3-ball counts ended his game early.  The upside--he only gave up one hit.

4.  Grant Balfour.  Pitched well-enough, but made a pretty bone-head balk that my 5-year-old nephew in the stands was able to call.  Made up for it with a strong save.

Overall, the team seemed to show good patience at the plate, was aggressive on the basepaths (2 steals, 2 bang-bang plays at the plate), and showed poise under pressure in the field.  I don't think Guzman has a future.  I'm impressed with Rodriguez's approach to the game.  And, without a doubt, this is one of your better ballpark experiences, whether Major or Minor League...

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Thanks for the report, Calif

Good observations. I've been to games in Durham twice now, once in '02 and again in '06. I thought the ballpark was pretty neat too, though I was disappointed in the area. There were a lot of cool old tobacco buildings in the downtown area that were of nice brick that just sat vacant. They could really have been turned into something cool, like lofts or shops, but they just sat there. I also remember that there was a large building being built over the blue monster the last time I was there. Not sure if that's been finished yet, but I did think it ironic that the jail was located quite close to the ballpark. Keep in mind that this was the '06 Tamargo/Upton/Young/Dukes Durham Bull team.

But in any case, I don't remember too many of the players I saw either time. I saw E-Jax start for the Bulls once, and he gave up a monstrous shot to Andy Marte early on. I saw Upton that day too, which happened to be the day that he got busted for DUI, though I didn't know about it at the time. All I remember from '02 was getting my picture taken with the Stanley Cup and sitting behind Jason Tyner in center field.

But in any case, I'm not surprised to hear your thoughts on Guzman. I've heard that from quite a bit of people, and other than one period when he looked good last spring, he's been pretty bad in the Rays organization. It's a shame he can't harness his talent into something more.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Apr 14, 2008 2:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't be too impressed with their patience

The opposing starter was Kei Igawa after all.

Actualy he's pitched quite well in his first 3 AAA starts including today - went 6 perfect innings in his first - but has been a bit unlucky in his last 2. AAA Yanks haven't scored in either, so he took 2 losses while giving up a total of 3 runs. And only gave 1 BB in 10 IP in first 2 starts (3 today vs. Durham) but high pitch counts in short outings so still control issues.

Not to worry about Lynn. a 29 year old making a spot start due to Niemann's promo. Can't ask for much, so not bad. Sad actually - if he got through 1 more batter he would have gotten the win.

To digress about prospects you probably don't care about but I do, I'm psyched about the Yanks LowA Charleston club (10-1) in the Sally League - your defending champs in Columbus (4-7) are in trouble.

A young roster, 5 teenagers and 4 20 year olds. For a comp, the Catfish have 1 guy under 21. 6 of our BA top 30, plus some still under the radar guys from rookie ball & the '07 draft. 8 guys hiting over .295, only 1 pitcher with an ERA over 4 & 9 with over a K/IP. Hey it's early, but wow!

by nyyfaninlaaland on Apr 14, 2008 5:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have an old Riverdogs hat lying around somewhere

From back when they were still a Rays affiliate. I wish we were still in Charleston, that is a cool stadium in a cool city.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Apr 14, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very cool city

Enjoyed one of my best vacations ever there a number of years ago - Isle of Palms condo on the beach. Trips into the city, great food. Fabulous!

by nyyfaninlaaland on Apr 14, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Durham Bulls

Glad to hear you had a good experience at the park. I've been going to Bulls games for 7 years (working a high school internship there 5 years ago) and have been to over 100 games at the park. I haven't had a chance to get over there this year because of school and thus haven't seen the completed project in left field but I've heard it looks good. The atmosphere is great for a minor league team especially towards the end of the season. I went to the final home series against Richmond last year and the crowd was rocking the whole time.

As far as Guzman goes, I've seen that kid hit the ball 450 feet and I've seen him stand around with his hands on his hips not knowing what the heck is going on. He is one of those guys who will either be in Japan in 2-3 years or will be a journey man and wake up one year and hit 40 Home runs like Pena did last year.

by Dbullsfan on Apr 14, 2008 7:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the review. My son and I are planning some minor league trips this year with Montgomery and Vero Beach definitely on the list and Durham a probable.

I thought at the time that the Rodriguez signing was a good move by the Rays. He seems to me a useful 4th-5th outfielder/reserve on a team. He served well in that capacity in St. Louis over 2 years. Good patience at the plate and a little pop as well. I am glad we have him stashed at Durham in case he is needed.

by bobr on Apr 14, 2008 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds cool, Bob

Why don't you check out the Catfish too? They're not all that far from Montgomery.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Apr 14, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice to hear from you Bob

You should stop in Charleston on the way to Durham - great young Yanks prospects playing there (Betances, Heredia, McAllister SP's, Montero, Romine C's, Laird, Snyder, Angelini, Suttle IF, Almonte OF. All under 21 except Snyder 21, Suttle 22) and aren't you an ex-fan? But more for the city itself. Trip out to Fort Sumter is cool for history buffs (apologies if I'm preaching to the choir), but not very long. Of course your son might not want to bother with a Yanks affiliate, but Columbus (they've got guys too) visits June 25-27 (Durham home 19-26), and again August 20-24 (Durham home 23-26) so you can root for the Rays kids. The latter is just a week or so before season's end, though your son may have school conflicts.

Regards from your friendly Yanks fan travel agent.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Apr 14, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like me, my son grew up a Yankees fan and retains more attachment to them than I do, so he might love a side trip if we can arrange it. As for school, as he is nearly 40 years old, that is not an issue. But thank you for the information. We will investigate the several possibilities.

Incidentally, to this day, the single most exciting game we ever attended was on July 4, 1983 in Yankee Stadium against the Red Sox. In fact, my son wrote his college entrance essay about that game.

by bobr on Apr 15, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully, the Rays are able to keep Durham as an affiliate.

by RATW on Apr 14, 2008 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if they renew

After all of the Dukes mess, but then again we did get them to the IL title game last year. Personally, I have long advocated moving the New Orleans franchise to Jacksonville and making the Suns our AAA affiliate. I think that would be great. The team gets an in-state AAA team with a new stadium that will help it set roots in the Jacksonville area. There's no reason we should be ceding Jacksonville to the Braves at all.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Apr 14, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is an interesting thought. I would still prefer Durham as Option A, but that's not a bad Option B. If they swapped, geographically New Orleans could theoretically fit with either the Southern League or Texas League.

I wonder how much pull the Rays have in Jax. My impression from visiting Jacksonville is the place has more in common with Georgia than either Tampa or Orlando and I wonder if that would even play a part in a market battle with the Braves.

by RATW on Apr 14, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don't have much pull now

But that's the point. The team has been improving their radio and TV presence in Jacksonville to try and expand the market, so relocating the Triple A affiliate there would be a tremendous boost on that front. It would take awhile for the market to mature as Rays territory, to be sure, but you've got to start somewhere. I agree completely, and my experiences in Jacksonville are very similar. It is essentially South Georgia, and it is Braves territory. But the Rays can move to change the latter.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Apr 14, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's certainly shouldn't be Dodger territory

The move to geographic proximity to parent clubs is a big trend, and the Dodgers would be better served by a Texas League affiliate. Particularly given their departure from Vero.

But it could be politically difficult to sell the Crescent City on a league downgrade. Plus I don't understand moving NO to Jax - there's already the AA team there. Seems the tradeoff should target an underperforming AAA franchise for a swap to AA affiliation. And the Braves aren't a candidate for Jax as a AAA club - they've committed to a new location in the Atlanta suburbs and dumped Richmond. Don't know much about their AA club in Mississippi - would they be candidates for a shift to Jacksonville? How long are the Rays committed to Montgomery - that could just as well be the Braves club with the Rays taking AA Jacksonville.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Apr 14, 2008 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It isn't Dodger territory

It might be difficult to sell the Crescent City on a league downgrade, but then again, why should we need to? Currently, with Ottawa having moved the Allentown, they are the least desirable AAA destination. Teams aren’t exactly thrilled about going to locations like Las Vegas and New Orleans with their AAA teams due to the reputation of those two cities. Replacing Jacksonville with New Orleans makes a lot of sense, since Jacksonville is an exceedingly successful AA franchise and New Orleans is a struggling AAA franchise. Now, you’d need to try and see if you could move the New Orleans franchise to the International League if you relocate it to Jacksonville, and that might be the most logistically difficult move. But I see no reason it couldn’t swap positions with Indianapolis or Columbus in the IL.

I wouldn’t want to move from Montgomery because that’s an exceedingly successful relationship, on both ends. That’s why making Jacksonville an AAA team makes so much sense, and that’s what I’ve suggested. New Orleans is the underperforming AAA team of which you speak.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Apr 15, 2008 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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