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Reviewing what we talked about last week

-         Edwin regressing. Check.

-         Hammel appearing real. Check.

-         Shields hitting the brakes. Check.

-         Carl beginning to hit. Check.

Now onto today’s topics.

 

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Star-divide

Just as Jason Bartlett will be fine, so will Akinori Iwamura. His xBABIP is over .300 but his real BABIP is .259. He’s hitting less line drives than last year, but it’s just a matter of time before the middle infield begins impressing with their bats like they have with their gloves.

Is Eric Hinske for real? Quick answer: no. His BABIP is over .300 despite a 13.5 LD%.  Mike DiFelice? Perhaps, nothing looks out of line. Shawn Riggans? Nope, he’ll need to hit more line drives to sustain success. 

For the record Andrew Sonnanstine’s numbers are still in line for a bit more regression, but the most interesting facet of his game is the large jump in groundball percentage, unlike Edwin Jackson’s absurd near 80% infield flyball percentages that quickly dropped towards norm, it doesn’t appear that Sonnanstine’s groundballs are a manifestation of luck.

Regarding the Evan Longoria contract, I don’t think it’ll be nearly as revolutionary as some will make it seem, however it’s the next evolutionary step from the Troy Tulowitizki deal. Let’s say Longoria would’ve performed decently this year and then signed the contract, we still wouldn’t be assured future success. The only odd thing about the deal is the brevity in which it came and the circumstances behind the original demotion, but hey, most of that is irrelevant now, right? Except of course for Rob Dibble who slammed the Rays for "being cheap" and Longoria for "hurting his peers’ rates," both of which are silly; organizations should obviously be prisoner to the player’s greedy demands no matter what, let’s not even consider the game theory.

Rays/Longoria Signs Doesn't Sign
Plays Well Win/Win Lose/Win
Doesn't Play Well Lose/Win Lose/Lose

What would you have said if I told you Kurt Birkins had as many innings as Troy Percival entering the 19th game of the year?

Record through 19 games this year: 8-11, last year: 8-11.

Attendance/game this year: 17,803, last year 17,131.

 

 

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Rob Dibble is an a-hole.

You think Baldelli regrets signing his contract? He got a ton of guanteed money. Yea, the rays opted out of his contract, but not after they dished out millions.

by websterjtc on Apr 20, 2008 5:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One other note I wanted to pass along

Sonnanstine is throwing the LEAST fastballs of all starters, only 26% of his pitchers are fastballs.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As opposed to nearly 52% last year. ADJUSTMENTS!

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Both!

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On game theory

I think your game grid has an error, hence the grousing by Dibble and others. If Longoria plays well, he forfeits potential earnings in this deal, so the first grid should say win/lose. But he has the right to make the choice for security and assured cash over income maximization. That he took a deal for much less than that signed by Sizemore 2 years ago (Grady had an additional years service at that point) is likely what concerns some. If all goes well performance and health-wise this is a very favorable deal for the Rays.

But again it’s a risk on the orgs behalf (some of the risk likely diminished by insurance) where prior they had been pretty risk averse. Frankly I think it’s pretty smart on the orgs part. For high potential young players this is a good approach – and not particularly revolutionary. If Longoria performs at near All Star levels starting in a year or 2, the Rays will save a boatload of cash – possibly more than the total contract value including the option years – compared to going short term. It’s a risky strategy with pitchers, but position guys seem much safer bets.

Baldelli hardly broke the bank – never made more than his 2.25 mil for ‘08, an amount that may well be largely covered by insurance. Had he not been so unlucky (when has anyone ever heard of mitochondrial disorder?) and performed near his initial levels his contract would have been laughably favorable to the club. No room to complain there.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Apr 20, 2008 7:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Even if he does well, he’s still earning big bucks earlier than most players will and will hit FA as a 31 year old, giving him a big contract from there. I don’t get why people think he’s losing out on THAT much money, we’re talking about him becoming essentially a 30 million dollar player post-FA, what’s the money roof for him on the FA market, 45 mil?

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Player agents represent the player, not the MLBPA.

What is good for the player is not necessarily good for the MLBPA.

It’s unfair to be dissapointed at a 22 year old kid to turn down a lot of guaranteed money—even if it’s likely that he would earn more money if he went year-to-year like Prince Fielder or Ryan Howard.

by websterjtc on Apr 20, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Untrue

You’re willing to project a money roof in 6 – 8 years of only 15 mil? There’s a good plenty of players making that today!
Plus look at the short term. His first 3 years he’s getting + $100K year 1 and 2. Year 3 is dependant on performance, but some top end guys going year to year have moved the number to 900K – Shields is making $1 mil and 1.5 mil in his last 2 non-arb years. Then look at the arb year numbers – 2, 4.5, and 6. Those aren’t extraordinary for a starting 3B – Crede got 5.1 for this his 3rd year after not playing at all the prior year! Then 7.5, 11 and 11.5 in his first 3 FA seasons if options are picked up – club options.

Look, if he turns out to be what you all hope, this is a spectacular deal for the club. If not, not so, but even the downside is likely insured to a good extent. Player insurance can typically only be bought for 3 years now, but the Rays would likely insure the arb years, or arb 2, 3 and 1st option, where all the real outlay is.

Look I agree Longy has every right to make this deal for security. It’s not a bad personal decision. And a great move by the club. But his number can affect others if used as a comp in arb hearings, hence the grousing.

Players have the right to go for security. They also have the right to take the personal risk of income maximization vs injury (see Kaz to date). Comparing Longy to Kaz, he’ll earn about $1 mil more in his first 3 years, but Kaz has made up that difference plus in his first arb year, with Longoria’s being 3 in the future. If Longy busts, good deal for him. Neither is doing wrong personally, Kaz is taking the risk instead of the club. It seems to me though that many here take offense to those who go the latter route, implying they’re not team players. It ’s just a risk / reward decision. The players don’t owe the org – the Rays org is doing fine financially.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Apr 20, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, I’m projecting his roof to be 45 million for years 6-9, ~15 million more than he’ll be making.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll make 30 mil in years 7-10, the 3 options.

The first 6 (counting this) are his control years. I still think the market – if he’s a top end player – could be well beyond $15 mil per by 2014. His option for 2015 (his 2nd FA year)is for less than any player or starting pitcher contracted or optional in 2013.

Look at David Wright’s deal – comparable service time salaries are way beyond Longoria’s despite being signed 2 years ago. Wright’s 3 FA years (11-13) are at a 15 mil average already, signed 2 years ago, and happening 3 calender years before Longy’s. You’re projecting 0% salary inflation in 3 years, assuming of course Longy is comparable to Wright. That has Longy “losing out” on $15 mil – 33% of Wright’s current contract. I’d call that a lot of money. And only 3 or 4 of Evan’s $30 mil is guaranteed via option buyout.

Look, it’s a ton of cash either way. I think the feeling is he may have given more than necessary for too little in return. Unless mitochondrial disorders are contagious. His salary levels are very low for comparable service years compared to other extensions in the market, further in the future, with more options in FA years than most, and again at lower figures. By all measures a significantly below market deal, hence the pissiness from some quarters.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Apr 20, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can agree with you

I’m more curious how high the general expectations for Evan are than arguing he left money on the table, he did, but 15 million doesn’t seem TOO much when you consider it 5 mil/annually—only in baseball can I say 5 mil annually isn’t “too much”.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The willingness of the org to commit

tells me their expectations are high. Clubs aren’t signing every year 1 to 3 guy to extensions – only those with high performance and/or upside. My thinking is why sign for so long, with so many club options in FA seasons, when no one knows what will happen. And why sign an extension for numbers so far below some current arb awards and other extensons. But it’s hard to pass on $17 mil guaranteed – that’s just like winning the lottery.

And over 3 out of 4 major league players make less than $5 mil a year – it’s still a lot of money.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Apr 20, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Dibble has a problem

He can talk to Paul Cohen, Longoria/Tulowitski/Percival’s agent

by Jacob Larsen on Apr 21, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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