4/24: RAYS 5, Toronto 3
by Patrick L. Kennedy
on Apr 24, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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RAYS 5, Toronto 3
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| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | R | H | E | |
| Toronto | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 7 | 2 |
| RAYS | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | 5 | 8 | 0 |
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RAYS SWEEP!!!!!!!!!
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DISNEY WORLD SERIES CHAMPS!
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 24, 2008 10:31 PM EDT 0 recs
Wakefield tomorrow
He practically owns us.
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by SeanDubbs on Apr 24, 2008 10:31 PM EDT 0 recs
Garza!
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on
Apr 24, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
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I don't think Garza matches up well with the Sox.
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by SeanDubbs on
Apr 24, 2008 10:34 PM EDT
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Garza!
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on
Apr 24, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
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I don't think Garza matches up well with the Sox.
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by SeanDubbs on
Apr 24, 2008 10:36 PM EDT
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Actually, Wakefield owns the Devil Rays. These are not they.
Also, why is Navarro even listed in this poll as an MVP choice?
by kericr on
Apr 25, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
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Same team by any other name
And Navarro is listed as an MVP choice because he got on base in three of his four plate appearances and drove in a run.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on
Apr 25, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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I think Haynes is gone tomorrow.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 24, 2008 10:38 PM EDT 0 recs
Edwin + Haynes: Trade both for a cake. Get cake. Eat cake.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on
Apr 24, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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Cake the band or cake the delicious birthday food?
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by SeanDubbs on
Apr 24, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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My money is on Haynes as well.
I’m sure he knows and was saying his goodbyes.
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by SeanDubbs on
Apr 24, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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Kalas just slipped and nearly said "Sold Out" for tomorrow's game.
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by SeanDubbs on Apr 24, 2008 10:40 PM EDT 0 recs
That negative WPA is awfully harsh for a guy whose only RBI allowed came from a ground out following a hit and run.
Really though, another encouraging outing by Sonny. Definitely hope they keep him in the rotation.
by Vin on Apr 25, 2008 12:15 PM EDT 0 recs
Agreed
I was a little surprised to see Sonny with a negative WPA, though the WPAs have changed since last night and he is now down to -.038, FWIW.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on
Apr 25, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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Meh, still
he gave us as much of a chance to win last night as anyone else did.
Even if you just go by his line, 6 1/3 IP; 3ER is still a quality start and shouldn’t amount to a negative WPA.
Which I’m guessing just means he hurt our chances of winning.
by Vin on Apr 25, 2008 2:36 PM EDT 0 recs
I think it has to do with leverage situations
Based on the graph, he pitched through relatively low leverage situations in the first six innings or so of the game, and the Blue Jays led for most of that time. I think that’s what’s knocking him down. Again, WPA isn’t perfect, and circumstances like this show it, but it is still the best way to judge “high leverage situations”, and FanGraphs displays it in a visual form.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on
Apr 25, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
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I wasn't sure
how WPA was actually calculated. I’m sure as a whole its a fine stat, I just don’t agree with it in this instance.
Thanks for clearing that up.
by Vin on
Apr 25, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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Sonnanstine
Andy has started 5 games. Here are his lines:
6 IP; 6 hits; 4 ER; 0 BBs; 4 Ks
6; 7; 4; 2; 3
3.1; 9; 7; 1; 2
9; 3; 0; 1; 4
6.1; 6; 3; 2; 3
So in 4 of the 5 games he gave the Rays a fair chance to win. In one he was hammered and in 1 he was outstanding.
While I think as he gains experience he will improve the numbers a bit, perhaps a few more Ks and fewer BBs & perhaps another .1 inning per start, I think that is about the pattern we can expect. If so, it makes for a valuable #4 or 5 starter. Because he will likely have a truly terrible outing about 1 in 4 or 5 starts, my guess is his ERA will generally be high, albeit I think under 5 eventually.
A few years ago there was an interesting discussion on another site about the concept of “innings eaters”. The question raised was why was it valuable to use up a lot of innings if the pitcher was ineffective. I think Sonnanstine might be part of the answer to the question of definition; an innings eater as a pitcher who may not be a star but who does pitch reasonably well while saving the bullpen.
by bobr on Apr 25, 2008 2:51 PM EDT 0 recs
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