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4/25: RAYS 5, Boston 4 (11)

RAYS 5, Boston 4 (11)

Tropicana Field
St. Petersburg, FL


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 R H E
Boston 0 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 10 1
RAYS 1 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5 11 0

Win Probability Table and Stats Courtesy of Fan Graphs

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Who was the MVP of tonight's game?
Defense/Bullpen
134 votes
CF B.J. Upton
1 votes
LF Carl Crawford
52 votes
PH Nathan Haynes
21 votes
SP Matt Garza
6 votes

214 votes | Poll has closed

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Between CC and the Bullpen/Defense

but if it wasn’t for the work out of the pen and the team effort on D this game wouldn’t have even been close.

by Dbullsfan on Apr 25, 2008 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I voted for Haynes

He didn’t get out all night long.

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by SeanDubbs on Apr 25, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cc was a big part of that defense. he gets my vote.

by calmer than you are on Apr 25, 2008 11:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Just got home. Great game it was a lot of fun.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navy Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls

by SRQman on Apr 26, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just got back from the game

Have I mentioned that SOX fans are CLASSLESS? Great gameGo EJax!

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on Apr 26, 2008 12:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They were always arrogant drunks...

now they are arrogant successful drunks and those are the worst types evah

by Jason Collette on Apr 26, 2008 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense

I say defense. Just back also and was amazed at how crisply the Rays played. If I had to vote for one person, it would be Bartlett. Nothing got by him and he made at least 3 terrific plays that probably cut off big innings. Nothing on offense, but without his defense, this game is Boston’s.

By the way, as for Boston fans, I get so wrapped up while at the game that I feel like killing them all. But as I was wildly cheering after Haynes’s hit, two Boston fans were passing my seat and shook my hand very graciously.

by bobr on Apr 26, 2008 1:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The amount of excellent defensive plays tonight was amazing

Really an excellent defensive game between these two clubs, especially the Rays. The team showed range, and really got to everything. Crawford, Bartlett, Upton, Longoria, pretty much everyone got in on the act. Just a spectacular defensive game. The only real mistake was the Iwamura play in the ninth, and that was more mental than it was physical.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Apr 26, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think this might be the latest in the season that we’ve ever been above .500

by websterjtc on Apr 26, 2008 8:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nope. i am wrong. in 2005 we were over .500 in early july for a little bit.. this must have been when they won like 14 in a row or something

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20040626

by websterjtc on Apr 26, 2008 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2004

We were above .500 at least through the Marlins series in mid-summer.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Apr 26, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If The Sox Won...

The MVP would have been that 3rd Base Ump. What a bunch of crap to call BJ out. That took away a run and shortened an important inning.

by floridaroar on Apr 26, 2008 9:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, we got a bit of a break in the 11th on the 2-2 pitch to Upton. Borderline pitch low in the zone, very easily could have been called strike three and changed the course of the winning inning. Of course, had we gotten the call at 3rd, we possibly wouldn’t have needed to play 11 innings for the win.

by RATW on Apr 26, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blaming umpires

I have seen a lot of calls this year that I did not like, including the one a while back when Upton was called out at third after he lost his shoe. But while I may get crazy at the game, I really do not think we fans are terribly rational about the issue. Chances are every team’s fans thinks they are being screwed in favor of the opposition.

In fact, I think one problem with blaming umpires is that it misrepresents why games are won and lost. There are literally 100s of decisions in every game, on every pitch and play. When there is one that seems to occur at a critical moment, we latch onto it, but as a matter of fact, every such decision is critical and could change the course of the game.

For example, in the 1998 World Series, on a 2-2 count, it was clear that Tino Martinez was struck out on the next pitch, but the umpire called it a ball and on the next one Tino hit a grand slam that brought the Yankees back from defeat. That one call might have changed the series-or looked as if it did-but not really. Not only did Tino have to hit the home run, but who knows how many other close calls went the other way but were not followed up by anything dramatic!

So in yesterday’s game, sure Upton may have been safe and the Rays may have scored that inning. But suppose there was a strike called on Ortiz that was borderline, and had it been a ball instead the whole at bat might have changed and a weak fly ball hit with two strikes would instead have been a home run hit on a 2-1 count.

It is futile to blame umpires for losses. If the Rays had scored 10 runs in an inning when they managed only one the whole thing would be moot. No matter how outrageous the calls may appear to be (cf: Don Denkinger), the players, not the umpires, make the difference.

by bobr on Apr 26, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I partially agree..

However, when we play either the Yankees or the Red Sox I always go into the series expecting very few calls to go our way. It’s not only the Rays that get shafted, but the rest of MLB when they play the Yankees or Red Sox. I am 100% behind you in it’s the team that wins/loses the game, but it’s hard to deny that every time we play those two the majority of the borderline calls are in their favor.

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by SeanDubbs on Apr 26, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umpires

I can’t speak for Boston fans, but as a former New Yorker I went to a lot of Yankee games and had many Yankee fan friends. I can assure you they were absolutely convinced that the umpires were out to get them and could point to play after play that clearly demonstrated anti-NY bias. Watching Rays’ games, I am convinced that we are on the short end of calls more than not, but I also am pretty certain it is not factually true.

For example, I suspected that Upton struck out a lot last year in part because he is a very selective hitter but the umpires expanded the strike zone with him at bat which led to a lot of called strikes that he considered off the plate. But that is me observing as a fan and I would never consider it more than a suspicion, and a pretty untenable one at that.

by bobr on Apr 26, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was a really awesome game

I alternated between watching it on TV and radio, and it might have been the best Rays game I’ve ever seen. Either this or the 2003 home opener is tops for me. This was just a seesaw game of two teams playing at their best, and it was awesome to watch. As much as I hate the Sox, they played an awesome game and sure put up a hell of an effort, and it was a pleasure to watch.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Apr 26, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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