5/21: RAYS (27-19) at OAK (24-23)
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Pitching Matchup:
| IP | ERA | + | K/9 | BB/9 | K/BB | HR/9 | OPS | WHIP | G/F | P/IP | ||
| RAYS | RH A. Sonnanst. | 57.2 | 4.53 | 90 | 4.68 | 1.72 | 2.73 | 0.94 | .760 | 1.28 | 1.26 | 14.25 |
| OAK | LH D. Eveland | 53.0 | 3.23 | 118 | 6.62 | 3.91 | 1.70 | 0.34 | .651 | 1.28 | 1.38 | 15.98 |
GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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grrrr
Not that we’ll be able to watch it.
Interesting, Eveland and Sonny have identical WHIPs. I smell a regression to the mean for the A’s pitcher.
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by Orlando Rays on
May 21, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
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MVP = Sonny Pwnage Maximus
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
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It is on MLBtv
But will it be blacked out even though it isnt on local TV here?
by GomesSweetGomes on
May 21, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
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Survey Says
Yes
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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I love baseball, but hate the idiots who run it
If they don’t want my $, so be it
by GomesSweetGomes on
May 21, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
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I’ve had the same argument all year. Half the games are on FSN which is not carried by Bright House in Orlando. Half the games are at home which is blacked out on MLB.tv. I watch religiously and end up having to Gameday it (which I am starting to lean more towards as the pitch cam is super awesome, and they now have video clips minutes after RT), but obviously watching it live is where it’s at. I get out of work at 5 so I could not possibly get to the Trop for first pitch. I am sure this is the plight of 1,000s of other people in Orlando. We need solutions from the clowns in charge.
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
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DirecTV is your friend
Barring that, you should be able to get Comcast, or you’ll have to wait for AT&T U-verse.
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by Orlando Rays on
May 21, 2008 1:30 PM EDT
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My guess is that because their TV deal is worth much more than thier internet deal
so making the games available over the net undermines their bottom line.
STILL, you think on days where they games are not available in the home market it would make sense for them to unblock the games, they could make even more money is people are buying cable and mlbtv.
by JI on
May 21, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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So you're sayin its about money
Who woulda thunk it?
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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The stated policy
Is to protect advertising revenue for the local carriers, and to encourage fans to come to the park. But on away games when there is no home TV provider, it makes zero sense…they have been very slow in reviewing their policy
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-blackouts040608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
by GomesSweetGomes on
May 21, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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Based on the level of security
(or lack thereof) I think the policy is much more about MLB saving face should a local TV station sue them for lost revenue streams.
by GomesSweetGomes on
May 21, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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Also
While there is no doubt MLB makes more revenue off of their TV deals than the internet, they probably make a much higher profit margin over the internet. They are selling a product that a third party has actually paid them for the right to create, and all they pay for is the bandwidth.
by GomesSweetGomes on
May 21, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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MVP: Pena
He is due to make contact sooner or later
"I'd hate to leave right when the getting is good." -CC
by Matt Bishoff on
May 21, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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I will Paypal $100.00
To anyone who lives outside of the state of Florida and is willing to set up an MLBtv account for me ($79.95)
....Taking matters in my own hands.
by GomesSweetGomes on
May 21, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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I'd do it....
but I already have one attached to my CC. Also, I get blacked out for O’s games….
by rglass44 on
May 21, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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as long as your IP address is coming from outside the Rays broadcast territory, you should be fine
by JI on
May 21, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
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weird
talk about nudge-nudge wink-wink…thanks
by GomesSweetGomes on
May 21, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
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I may have to try it
I always thought it was by your billing address
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by Orlando Rays on
May 21, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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it's the credit card billing address...
I have gotten games in Tampa on my computer because my billing address is outside of florida.
by rglass44 on
May 21, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
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I use it
to get around FOX blackouts, or local blackouts when I am somewhere where there’s no access to cable. It might have been based on billing at one time, but it is now based on IP address.
by JI on
May 21, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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*#$^#*@& Cards...
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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Damn you bad dancer....
Pujols for President ‘08
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by Mound Visit on
May 21, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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That series pissed me off.
Because of that series, and the lack of talent from the Brewers, the Rays are 1 game back of the Sux. That annoys me.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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It was exciting baseball though....
I cheered on every play
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by Mound Visit on
May 21, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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I wish I could say the same thing.
But, it is what it WAS. So let’s have some fun and go for the dominate sweep over the Moneyballas’
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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MVP: Sonny
This season has been a blast.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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MVP - Sonny
God I wish I could watch this game! Two games I can’t stay up for, then the one during “normal” hours is blocked. Unreal…
by stpetelawyer on
May 21, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
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Ha!

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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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How bout that loser with the whistle last night.
That had to be the most annoying thing I have heard during a game. It sounded like a fire alarm going off for 3 hours. How could the people around that tool not beat his ass?
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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... and they say our cowbells are annoying.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
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The cowbells are used in certain moments when the crowd is loud anyhow
Like two-strike counts or certain clutch situations, the whistle was non-stop.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on
May 21, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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MVP Navi
I’m going for a repeat victory.
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by B Ray on
May 21, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
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to see if they are broadcasting it
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
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how the heck is this game not on tv? the saturday game isn’t on tv either. what are these people smoking?
by matthan on
May 21, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
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im not home but it looks like you can watch the feed here
http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=12892&part=sports
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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usually takes a few minutes to load up but it should work
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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The links are dead anyone else having this problem?
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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everytime i try
it keeps saying “this account has been suspended”, even though i just registered…. wtf?
by davidsmarch on
May 21, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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I saw that myself David
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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Dang. did you’ll download TVANTS?
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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Nope but when I get off of work I will be sure to do that
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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that’s prob why it’s not working.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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although sometimes it doesn’t work anyway.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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i think we need his LF defense.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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yeah
should be fun seeing Gomes out there…
by davidsmarch on
May 21, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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At least Gomes is better the Cust
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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Cust = E. Brown
I didn’t see the vote but Brown must have been MVP last night right?
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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agree
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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Jon Gomes is under the baseball every time
Gomes 600 AB = 300 SO
Is is that far fetched?
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by Mound Visit on
May 21, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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Gomes 600 AB = 75 HR
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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Gomes is being played like a veteran at the end of his career.
He is a young guy with a lot to offer. Will he hit .280? Probably not. Could he hit 40 home runs. I could see that. Either use him or waive and let Ruggiano play.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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yeah right....
I will give him 35 maybe…most pitchers are not left handed
How many men are going to be stranded on third?
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by Mound Visit on
May 21, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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If he is not given a opportunity more then once every other week
I can’t honestly tell you.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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Well if its Beej he would get picked or caught 4 feet from the bag
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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Seeing as he has 1188 career AB's
and 382 K’s, its ridiculously far-fetched. He’s striking out a lot this year…ill give you that. But you’re getting ridiculous with your Gomes criticisms.
by GomesSweetGomes on
May 21, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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I think we should get rid of Gross and bring Ruggs back up.
Today would be a perfect opportunity for him. Righties are hitting over .300 against Everland. But, he sits in Durham collecting dust.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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In other news:
The Devil Rays beat the Yankees 10-6
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
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In Tampa.
The Tampa Yankees lost to the Vero Beach Devil Rays 10-6.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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Good deal.
That sentence has a nice ring to it. “Yankees lost to the… Rays.”
B Rad the Ray Fan
by B Ray on
May 21, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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I like the sentence:
“Rays have a winning record”, or “Rays are in the hunt for October.”
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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i cant believe they gave navi a double on that
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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check out mlb.com
the home page says it is only on mlb.tv, but I imagine it is blacked out.
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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yea i see that..just wondering for sure before I pay the 20 bucks
by UFfitz56 on
May 21, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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then how stupid is that headline
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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they have that headline for every game
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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is it blacked out for everyone or only for tampabay ip addresses?
by UFfitz56 on
May 21, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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i think it extends throughout the state.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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cause it is blacked out for me when i am in tallahassee
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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i have a feeling the myp2p.eu isn’t working because the game isn’t on yet. it says the stream starts in 5 minutes so i’d check then
by matthan on
May 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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Could the Royals please win a game.
Please.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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Prediction
Royals get no-hit
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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Prediction
Joey G goes yard!
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on
May 21, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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and pitcher...
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls
BELIEVE in 08!
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May 21, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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He might jump over the wall, but he aint hitting a ball over it
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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i just want to see in play, run(s)
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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Aki is on 2nd.
Go Rays!
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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Two Thirds of the World is covered by water....
The rest is covered by BJ Upton
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by Mound Visit on
May 21, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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Is BJ the new Chuck Norris?
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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I would say Bruce Willis
He dislocates his shoulder and slams it back into place by slaming his arm into the centerfield wall
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by Mound Visit on
May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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That's a spin off of a Reggie Nelson thing
by Cory Alexander on
May 21, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
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or the Freddie Smoot thing...
hadn’t heard it used about Reggie, but Smoot said that (and few understood it) his first time playing for the skins…
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May 21, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
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Come on BJ
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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this myp2p isn't working for me,
all i get is it loads, then i get a picture of the earth, and that’s it.
by davidsmarch on
May 21, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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usually it takes a few minutes to do it’s thing…but sometiems it just doesn’t work.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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#@$%@%#%
This really sucks…
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May 21, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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Well, Pena hit a fly ball to center to end the inning
Stranding Aki at 2nd.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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Is there a way we can just listen to the game without paying?
I don’t wanna go in my car cuz the signal sucks in Sarasota.
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May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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1250 WHNZ if you are in the Bay Area.
I don’t know of the statiion in Sarasota though. Sorry.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
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It comes through in Sarasota
it is just static and terrible…..
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by SRQman on
May 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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That's just Dave Wills
He is still pissed he is not in Chicago.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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1250 and 1220 both work in sarasota
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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no dice
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
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It won't work. MLB licencing.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
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... the Nazis
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
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I agree with what they are doing....
They don’t make enough money
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May 21, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
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I agree.
If I was retarded. No comment please.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
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It was a sarcastic remark
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May 21, 2008 3:51 PM EDT
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I know, so was mine.
Meh!
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:51 PM EDT
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Sonny hit 90
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
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Was a strong wind behind him?
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
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Everyone hits 90 on Gameday
I’ve been watching it all season. The highest I’ve ever seen it register someone as throwing is 92, even when some of you guys are talking about Jackson and others hitting the high 90s. I swear it must be off. And even if someone is throwing soft, the lowest I’ve ever seen it go is 82 or so. It has a very odd range.
by Steve Slowinski on
May 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
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Sonny with with Strike out!
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May 21, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
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yea they stop the radio stream during games….there is a radio station in syracuse that hasnt gotten the memo yet and streams yankee games
9 = 8
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May 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
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I'm going to be craving a cigarette pretty soon without Mad Dog to yell at me that he doesn't smoke.
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
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2 K's for the Kid from Ohio.
Sonnastine. The Pride of KKent State!
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
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i’m guessing billy beane told the A’s to swing because this guy doesnt walk anyone….and Maddon told Sonny to throw balls because they’re gonna be swinging away.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on
May 21, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
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that’s the advantage of being able to throw strikes at-will
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May 21, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
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Cmon Evan!
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May 21, 2008 3:51 PM EDT
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That would have been out
If the Rays were playing in that joke of a ballpark known as Fenway.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
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The monster is the same color as every dumpster in Florida
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by Sandy Kazmir on
May 21, 2008 3:53 PM EDT
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And looks like Arsenio Hall's from in 90's...
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by thebaddancingraysfan on
May 21, 2008 3:55 PM EDT
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Finally home and set up with Gameday Audio
Go Rays! Go Sonny!
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MVP MVP MVP MVP
lets give it up for Emil Brown
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3Ks!
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Is anyone able to watch this game?
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LOL @ Emil
Siddown. Lock it down a little bit more, Sonny, you may need those pitches later.
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Ruggiano should be up and we shouldn’t have Gross. They will give similar defensive play, but I like Ruggiano much more than Gross offensively.
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Any one know why Hinske isnt playing against a leftie
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Cause he hits .195 against them?
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May 21, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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i know i know i meant to say gomes
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bc gross has no chance to touch a leftie
.... and i meant to say gomes
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Two umps with super-size east-to-west strike zones, and today we get one that's north-to-south and extra-svelte
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I spoke too soon
Picasso drew this dude’s strike zone, obviously.
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May 21, 2008 4:10 PM EDT
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It's the getaway day strike zone
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May 21, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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I actually like aki and barty at the top..
I like a line up of:
Aki
Bartlett
Crawford
Upton
Longoria
Pena
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May 21, 2008 4:10 PM EDT
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Pena hitting 6th is not intelligent
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May 21, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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7th is more intelligent
He’s not getting it done where he is
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May 21, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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be patient,
he’ll get his summer swing back…
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May 21, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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I think he will get his swing back
But don’t expect him to make up for lost time. I’d be shocked if he hits above .260 on the year at this point.
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May 21, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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i could care less if he hits 260, once he gets his swing back,
and his eye, his obp will jump to hopefully the .380, .390 area, and that’s all i care about.
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May 21, 2008 4:15 PM EDT
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Realistically he shouldn't be expected to.
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pena strikes out too much and doesn’t get enough xbh to drive in runs. also he strikes out (or ends innings) way too much so evan is up with nobody on way too much. we would be better off giving upton and longoria the chance to drive in some runs.
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May 21, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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Strikeout >>> GIDP
Carl has three, Pena one.
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May 21, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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anyone see the thing on worst clean-up hitters since 1957 on hbt?
If Pena doesn’t pick up the slack he may join that list by year’s end…
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May 21, 2008 4:21 PM EDT
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His OPS+ is 95, team is 103
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May 21, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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Sure. But Pena is not someone you can rely on consistently for RBIs. Crawford, Upton and Longoria are our ‘consistent’ RBI men. Pena strikes out too much and he simply doesn’t get enough extra base hits. Also Pena ends innings too much and it kills Longoria. Heck I’d be alright flip flopping Pena and Longoria. Although that may be too much too soon for Evan. Also doing an Aki/Barty/CC/Upton/Longoria/Pena approach would allow Carl to hit with more men on base.
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May 21, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
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Do we REALLY want Carl up with more men on?
His approach isn’t exactly what I want with 2 on nobody out.
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May 21, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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i’d say i’d be much more confident with carl up than pena in that situation. pena is the absolute worst person to have up with men on and less than 2 outs.
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May 21, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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I disagree.
I’ll take Carlos going to 2-2 and King rather than Carl first pitch hacking into a double play.
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I think Carl, Upton, and Longoria have a extremely higher chance of knocking in a guy on 3rd with 1 out, moving a runner over if need be, driving in a run on 2nd with 2 out, and driving in a run from 1st than Pena. Penas only real RBIs are off home runs. We need guys that are able to sac fly, hit singles, and XBH on a much more consistent basis to drive in men. Pena just doesn’t do it. It is home run or bust.
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May 21, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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Singles and SF maybe...
XBH:
Carl: 11
Carlos: 12
Most are homers, sure, but that’s not the point.
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Now factor in how many innings longoria started because of a carlos strike out…
That is my main gripe. Mainly because if Barty hits 9, Aki 1, then Carl 2 then there really isn’t a major difference outside the first inning
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Ugly second at-bat
Good thing he ended up popping out
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dang there goes the perfect game
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Did anyone have any luck with that Myp2p?
www.citadel-insurance.com
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May 21, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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Maybe I wasted 14.95 for MLBTV
oh well
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May 21, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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Walked on strike 2
Oh jeez…
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Longo, you idiot!
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Gomes you idiot, too.
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May 21, 2008 4:21 PM EDT
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Radio made it sound like the ball got by Longo
Hard to tell with no TV
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May 21, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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At least Cust goes down in three
Someone please hit a ball at the dude with the dog whistle
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if i couyld get a replay...
I might be able to offer some insight.
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May 21, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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What made Maddon think it was a good idea to give CC and Navi the day off?
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May 21, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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Navi not a bad idea
CC getting the day off, however, is
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May 21, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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I wish my boss gave me as many days off as Maddon gives our best players.
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May 21, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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and we go 1-2-3
I don’t like where this is heading…
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May 21, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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Bah, I didn't even know we were down 2-0.
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looks like gomes screwed the play up, not longoria….it looked like a legit ball down the chalk, but gomes couldn’t pick it up and threw it like a girl
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May 21, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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Well they both screwed it up…obviously the ball should have never gotten to gomes
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May 21, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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He strikes out and can't play defense....
Can we trade this guy why he has value
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May 21, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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I'm actually all for it
He is being improperly used in his current role, meaning we are not getting full value out of him.
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May 21, 2008 4:36 PM EDT
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Ruggiano could sit the bench just as well, but he brings less charisma
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by R.J. Anderson on
May 21, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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I will take contact over charisma
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May 21, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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His contact% is a career high 75%
Higher than Evan and B.J.
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i think ruggiano should get a legit shot at RF. We don’t really have a long term answer so why not give a good that is producing in AAA a shot? Plus it will give us some more speed
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May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
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Most of our RF options have been above average (until Gomes now)
And apparently Ruggiano has character flaws.
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May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
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Like threatening to kill baby's momma flaws?
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None of them are the long term answer though.
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May 21, 2008 4:50 PM EDT
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Na.
But you don’t always need one, as long as your team isn’t the Giants/nursing home age you can go with platoons and short term fixes.
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I have a question
Does errors or hit by pitch help your OBP?
I know it doesn’t affect average at all.
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Helps OBP
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Interesting that it is calculated
I would guess that there are only a handful of MLB batters who have a significant effect on how many times they are hit…its interesting that its considered a plus…though I cans ee the argument both ways.
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May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
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Because I have nothing better to do, I figured up Craig Biggio's:
With HBPs: .363
Without HBPs: .348
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by R.J. Anderson on
May 21, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
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Errors lower OBP
HBP isnt calculated in OBP
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May 21, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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HBP is, I thought?
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May 21, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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We have conflicting answers
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Ok I was 1/2 wrong
errors lower OBP, HBP raises it
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And naturally Es would lower it
Since it doesn’t count as a hit, but still holds an AB value.
So if a player goes 1-3 with a HBP and reached on an error he’s reached base three times, but only two count really “count” as reaching base.
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by R.J. Anderson on
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gomes just got hbp
because you all were talking smack about him.
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Not everyone...
just me
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Rapping on the bench.
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Ugh
back from dinner… wish I wasn’t
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Just not our day
Hope J.P. is warming up…
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On the east coast, I hope.
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Are CC and Navi on the Bench?
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I assume so
you never hear of a non-injured position player being sent home on an early flight….though I beleive we should see it more often.
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At least we can all look forward to the time Price takes Sonnys spot.
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And Sonny takes the five slot?
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Davis? Mcgee? Hellickson?
Where they gonna pitch
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Hellickson has awhile to go. Price will take Sonnys spot. Then Davis and McGee may or may not take Garza/Jackson. The FO will have to look at their projections and do some cost/benefit analysis and determine who to trade. Of course there is always the ‘pen option.
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Davis will get a rotation spot before anyone else.
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I think it goes Price then Davis. Considering Price hasn’t started a game yet it very well may be Davis. We just have to see how he does. Personally I think he is going to dominate right off the bat.
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Maybe the 5 spot on the Colorado Rockies. There is no chance Sonny is in our rotation long term.
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You know its a bad day when we are having gameday converstaions like these
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Dude, it's Price day! Hooray!
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Nevermind, that's tomorrow.
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Anyone going to Vero Beach tomorow?
I am
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That would be an awful destination for him.
Put Sonny in PETCO and he’s awesomeness defined.
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You can say that about anyone when comparing SD and Colorado though.
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Of course.
But if Sonny were Brandon Webb it wouldn’t matter, he’d just get his groundballs like nothing.
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Either way I can care less where he goes, as long as we get as much as we can for him. But maybe the ‘pen is the option though.
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