5/21: RAYS (27-19) at OAK (24-23)
by Matt Bishoff on May 21, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
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Pitching Matchup:
| IP | ERA | + | K/9 | BB/9 | K/BB | HR/9 | OPS | WHIP | G/F | P/IP | ||
| RAYS | RH A. Sonnanst. | 57.2 | 4.53 | 90 | 4.68 | 1.72 | 2.73 | 0.94 | .760 | 1.28 | 1.26 | 14.25 |
| OAK | LH D. Eveland | 53.0 | 3.23 | 118 | 6.62 | 3.91 | 1.70 | 0.34 | .651 | 1.28 | 1.38 | 15.98 |
GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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grrrr
Not that we’ll be able to watch it.
Interesting, Eveland and Sonny have identical WHIPs. I smell a regression to the mean for the A’s pitcher.
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MVP = Sonny Pwnage Maximus
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is on MLBtv
But will it be blacked out even though it isnt on local TV here?
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Survey Says
Yes
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love baseball, but hate the idiots who run it
If they don’t want my $, so be it
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve had the same argument all year. Half the games are on FSN which is not carried by Bright House in Orlando. Half the games are at home which is blacked out on MLB.tv. I watch religiously and end up having to Gameday it (which I am starting to lean more towards as the pitch cam is super awesome, and they now have video clips minutes after RT), but obviously watching it live is where it’s at. I get out of work at 5 so I could not possibly get to the Trop for first pitch. I am sure this is the plight of 1,000s of other people in Orlando. We need solutions from the clowns in charge.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DirecTV is your friend
Barring that, you should be able to get Comcast, or you’ll have to wait for AT&T U-verse.
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that because their TV deal is worth much more than thier internet deal
so making the games available over the net undermines their bottom line.
STILL, you think on days where they games are not available in the home market it would make sense for them to unblock the games, they could make even more money is people are buying cable and mlbtv.
by JI on May 21, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're sayin its about money
Who woulda thunk it?
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The stated policy
Is to protect advertising revenue for the local carriers, and to encourage fans to come to the park. But on away games when there is no home TV provider, it makes zero sense…they have been very slow in reviewing their policy
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-blackouts040608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on the level of security
(or lack thereof) I think the policy is much more about MLB saving face should a local TV station sue them for lost revenue streams.
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
While there is no doubt MLB makes more revenue off of their TV deals than the internet, they probably make a much higher profit margin over the internet. They are selling a product that a third party has actually paid them for the right to create, and all they pay for is the bandwidth.
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MVP: Pena
He is due to make contact sooner or later
"I'd hate to leave right when the getting is good." -CC
by Matt Bishoff on May 21, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will Paypal $100.00
To anyone who lives outside of the state of Florida and is willing to set up an MLBtv account for me ($79.95)
....Taking matters in my own hands.
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it....
but I already have one attached to my CC. Also, I get blacked out for O’s games….
by rglass44 on May 21, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as your IP address is coming from outside the Rays broadcast territory, you should be fine
by JI on May 21, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
weird
talk about nudge-nudge wink-wink…thanks
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may have to try it
I always thought it was by your billing address
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's the credit card billing address...
I have gotten games in Tampa on my computer because my billing address is outside of florida.
by rglass44 on May 21, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use it
to get around FOX blackouts, or local blackouts when I am somewhere where there’s no access to cable. It might have been based on billing at one time, but it is now based on IP address.
by JI on May 21, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*#$^#*@& Cards...
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn you bad dancer....
Pujols for President ‘08
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That series pissed me off.
Because of that series, and the lack of talent from the Brewers, the Rays are 1 game back of the Sux. That annoys me.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was exciting baseball though....
I cheered on every play
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could say the same thing.
But, it is what it WAS. So let’s have some fun and go for the dominate sweep over the Moneyballas’
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MVP: Sonny
This season has been a blast.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MVP - Sonny
God I wish I could watch this game! Two games I can’t stay up for, then the one during “normal” hours is blocked. Unreal…
by stpetelawyer on May 21, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How bout that loser with the whistle last night.
That had to be the most annoying thing I have heard during a game. It sounded like a fire alarm going off for 3 hours. How could the people around that tool not beat his ass?
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
... and they say our cowbells are annoying.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cowbells are used in certain moments when the crowd is loud anyhow
Like two-strike counts or certain clutch situations, the whistle was non-stop.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MVP Navi
I’m going for a repeat victory.
B Rad the Ray Fan
by B Ray on May 21, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
to see if they are broadcasting it
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how the heck is this game not on tv? the saturday game isn’t on tv either. what are these people smoking?
by matthan on May 21, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im not home but it looks like you can watch the feed here
http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=12892&part=sports
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
usually takes a few minutes to load up but it should work
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The links are dead anyone else having this problem?
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everytime i try
it keeps saying “this account has been suspended”, even though i just registered…. wtf?
by davidsmarch on May 21, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that myself David
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang. did you’ll download TVANTS?
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope but when I get off of work I will be sure to do that
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s prob why it’s not working.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
although sometimes it doesn’t work anyway.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think we need his LF defense.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
should be fun seeing Gomes out there…
by davidsmarch on May 21, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Gomes is better the Cust
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cust = E. Brown
I didn’t see the vote but Brown must have been MVP last night right?
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Gomes is under the baseball every time
Gomes 600 AB = 300 SO
Is is that far fetched?
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomes 600 AB = 75 HR
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomes is being played like a veteran at the end of his career.
He is a young guy with a lot to offer. Will he hit .280? Probably not. Could he hit 40 home runs. I could see that. Either use him or waive and let Ruggiano play.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah right....
I will give him 35 maybe…most pitchers are not left handed
How many men are going to be stranded on third?
Mound Visit
by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is not given a opportunity more then once every other week
I can’t honestly tell you.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if its Beej he would get picked or caught 4 feet from the bag
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing as he has 1188 career AB's
and 382 K’s, its ridiculously far-fetched. He’s striking out a lot this year…ill give you that. But you’re getting ridiculous with your Gomes criticisms.
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should get rid of Gross and bring Ruggs back up.
Today would be a perfect opportunity for him. Righties are hitting over .300 against Everland. But, he sits in Durham collecting dust.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In other news:
The Devil Rays beat the Yankees 10-6
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In Tampa.
The Tampa Yankees lost to the Vero Beach Devil Rays 10-6.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good deal.
That sentence has a nice ring to it. “Yankees lost to the… Rays.”
B Rad the Ray Fan
by B Ray on May 21, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the sentence:
“Rays have a winning record”, or “Rays are in the hunt for October.”
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i cant believe they gave navi a double on that
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
check out mlb.com
the home page says it is only on mlb.tv, but I imagine it is blacked out.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i see that..just wondering for sure before I pay the 20 bucks
by UFfitz56 on May 21, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then how stupid is that headline
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have that headline for every game
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it blacked out for everyone or only for tampabay ip addresses?
by UFfitz56 on May 21, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it extends throughout the state.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cause it is blacked out for me when i am in tallahassee
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have a feeling the myp2p.eu isn’t working because the game isn’t on yet. it says the stream starts in 5 minutes so i’d check then
by matthan on May 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could the Royals please win a game.
Please.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Prediction
Royals get no-hit
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prediction
Joey G goes yard!
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and pitcher...
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might jump over the wall, but he aint hitting a ball over it
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i just want to see in play, run(s)
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Aki is on 2nd.
Go Rays!
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two Thirds of the World is covered by water....
The rest is covered by BJ Upton
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is BJ the new Chuck Norris?
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say Bruce Willis
He dislocates his shoulder and slams it back into place by slaming his arm into the centerfield wall
Mound Visit
by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a spin off of a Reggie Nelson thing
by Cory Alexander on May 21, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or the Freddie Smoot thing...
hadn’t heard it used about Reggie, but Smoot said that (and few understood it) his first time playing for the skins…
by rglass44 on May 21, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on BJ
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this myp2p isn't working for me,
all i get is it loads, then i get a picture of the earth, and that’s it.
by davidsmarch on May 21, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
usually it takes a few minutes to do it’s thing…but sometiems it just doesn’t work.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#@$%@%#%
This really sucks…
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Pena hit a fly ball to center to end the inning
Stranding Aki at 2nd.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there a way we can just listen to the game without paying?
I don’t wanna go in my car cuz the signal sucks in Sarasota.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1250 WHNZ if you are in the Bay Area.
I don’t know of the statiion in Sarasota though. Sorry.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It comes through in Sarasota
it is just static and terrible…..
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just Dave Wills
He is still pissed he is not in Chicago.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1250 and 1220 both work in sarasota
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no dice
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It won't work. MLB licencing.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
... the Nazis
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what they are doing....
They don’t make enough money
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
If I was retarded. No comment please.
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a sarcastic remark
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, so was mine.
Meh!
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sonny hit 90
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was a strong wind behind him?
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone hits 90 on Gameday
I’ve been watching it all season. The highest I’ve ever seen it register someone as throwing is 92, even when some of you guys are talking about Jackson and others hitting the high 90s. I swear it must be off. And even if someone is throwing soft, the lowest I’ve ever seen it go is 82 or so. It has a very odd range.
by Steve Slowinski on May 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sonny with with Strike out!
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea they stop the radio stream during games….there is a radio station in syracuse that hasnt gotten the memo yet and streams yankee games
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to be craving a cigarette pretty soon without Mad Dog to yell at me that he doesn't smoke.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 K's for the Kid from Ohio.
Sonnastine. The Pride of KKent State!
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m guessing billy beane told the A’s to swing because this guy doesnt walk anyone….and Maddon told Sonny to throw balls because they’re gonna be swinging away.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that’s the advantage of being able to throw strikes at-will
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon Evan!
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would have been out
If the Rays were playing in that joke of a ballpark known as Fenway.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The monster is the same color as every dumpster in Florida
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And looks like Arsenio Hall's from in 90's...
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woo Woo Woo
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally home and set up with Gameday Audio
Go Rays! Go Sonny!
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MVP MVP MVP MVP
lets give it up for Emil Brown
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on May 21, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3Ks!
In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone able to watch this game?
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ Emil
Siddown. Lock it down a little bit more, Sonny, you may need those pitches later.
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ruggiano should be up and we shouldn’t have Gross. They will give similar defensive play, but I like Ruggiano much more than Gross offensively.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any one know why Hinske isnt playing against a leftie
Protect the Trop: Keep northerners out.
by St Pete Native on May 21, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cause he hits .195 against them?
B Rad the Ray Fan
by B Ray on May 21, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know i know i meant to say gomes
Protect the Trop: Keep northerners out.
by St Pete Native on May 21, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bc gross has no chance to touch a leftie
.... and i meant to say gomes
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by St Pete Native on May 21, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two umps with super-size east-to-west strike zones, and today we get one that's north-to-south and extra-svelte
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I spoke too soon
Picasso drew this dude’s strike zone, obviously.
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the getaway day strike zone
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like aki and barty at the top..
I like a line up of:
Aki
Bartlett
Crawford
Upton
Longoria
Pena
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pena hitting 6th is not intelligent
by davidsmarch on May 21, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
7th is more intelligent
He’s not getting it done where he is
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
be patient,
he’ll get his summer swing back…
by davidsmarch on May 21, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he will get his swing back
But don’t expect him to make up for lost time. I’d be shocked if he hits above .260 on the year at this point.
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i could care less if he hits 260, once he gets his swing back,
and his eye, his obp will jump to hopefully the .380, .390 area, and that’s all i care about.
by davidsmarch on May 21, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Realistically he shouldn't be expected to.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pena strikes out too much and doesn’t get enough xbh to drive in runs. also he strikes out (or ends innings) way too much so evan is up with nobody on way too much. we would be better off giving upton and longoria the chance to drive in some runs.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeout >>> GIDP
Carl has three, Pena one.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone see the thing on worst clean-up hitters since 1957 on hbt?
If Pena doesn’t pick up the slack he may join that list by year’s end…
by rglass44 on May 21, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His OPS+ is 95, team is 103
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure. But Pena is not someone you can rely on consistently for RBIs. Crawford, Upton and Longoria are our ‘consistent’ RBI men. Pena strikes out too much and he simply doesn’t get enough extra base hits. Also Pena ends innings too much and it kills Longoria. Heck I’d be alright flip flopping Pena and Longoria. Although that may be too much too soon for Evan. Also doing an Aki/Barty/CC/Upton/Longoria/Pena approach would allow Carl to hit with more men on base.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we REALLY want Carl up with more men on?
His approach isn’t exactly what I want with 2 on nobody out.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d say i’d be much more confident with carl up than pena in that situation. pena is the absolute worst person to have up with men on and less than 2 outs.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
I’ll take Carlos going to 2-2 and King rather than Carl first pitch hacking into a double play.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Carl, Upton, and Longoria have a extremely higher chance of knocking in a guy on 3rd with 1 out, moving a runner over if need be, driving in a run on 2nd with 2 out, and driving in a run from 1st than Pena. Penas only real RBIs are off home runs. We need guys that are able to sac fly, hit singles, and XBH on a much more consistent basis to drive in men. Pena just doesn’t do it. It is home run or bust.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singles and SF maybe...
XBH:
Carl: 11
Carlos: 12
Most are homers, sure, but that’s not the point.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now factor in how many innings longoria started because of a carlos strike out…
That is my main gripe. Mainly because if Barty hits 9, Aki 1, then Carl 2 then there really isn’t a major difference outside the first inning
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugly second at-bat
Good thing he ended up popping out
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dang there goes the perfect game
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone have any luck with that Myp2p?
www.citadel-insurance.com
by SeanDubbs on May 21, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I wasted 14.95 for MLBTV
oh well
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walked on strike 2
Oh jeez…
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Longo, you idiot!
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gomes you idiot, too.
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Radio made it sound like the ball got by Longo
Hard to tell with no TV
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Cust goes down in three
Someone please hit a ball at the dude with the dog whistle
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if i couyld get a replay...
I might be able to offer some insight.
by rglass44 on May 21, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What made Maddon think it was a good idea to give CC and Navi the day off?
by Cory Alexander on May 21, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Navi not a bad idea
CC getting the day off, however, is
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish my boss gave me as many days off as Maddon gives our best players.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and we go 1-2-3
I don’t like where this is heading…
by JMB on May 21, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bah, I didn't even know we were down 2-0.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
looks like gomes screwed the play up, not longoria….it looked like a legit ball down the chalk, but gomes couldn’t pick it up and threw it like a girl
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well they both screwed it up…obviously the ball should have never gotten to gomes
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He strikes out and can't play defense....
Can we trade this guy why he has value
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually all for it
He is being improperly used in his current role, meaning we are not getting full value out of him.
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruggiano could sit the bench just as well, but he brings less charisma
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will take contact over charisma
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His contact% is a career high 75%
Higher than Evan and B.J.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think ruggiano should get a legit shot at RF. We don’t really have a long term answer so why not give a good that is producing in AAA a shot? Plus it will give us some more speed
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of our RF options have been above average (until Gomes now)
And apparently Ruggiano has character flaws.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like threatening to kill baby's momma flaws?
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of them are the long term answer though.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Na.
But you don’t always need one, as long as your team isn’t the Giants/nursing home age you can go with platoons and short term fixes.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a question
Does errors or hit by pitch help your OBP?
I know it doesn’t affect average at all.
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Helps OBP
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting that it is calculated
I would guess that there are only a handful of MLB batters who have a significant effect on how many times they are hit…its interesting that its considered a plus…though I cans ee the argument both ways.
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I have nothing better to do, I figured up Craig Biggio's:
With HBPs: .363
Without HBPs: .348
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Errors lower OBP
HBP isnt calculated in OBP
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HBP is, I thought?
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have conflicting answers
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok I was 1/2 wrong
errors lower OBP, HBP raises it
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And naturally Es would lower it
Since it doesn’t count as a hit, but still holds an AB value.
So if a player goes 1-3 with a HBP and reached on an error he’s reached base three times, but only two count really “count” as reaching base.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gomes just got hbp
because you all were talking smack about him.
by Albertrayon on May 21, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not everyone...
just me
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rapping on the bench.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
back from dinner… wish I wasn’t
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just not our day
Hope J.P. is warming up…
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On the east coast, I hope.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are CC and Navi on the Bench?
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume so
you never hear of a non-injured position player being sent home on an early flight….though I beleive we should see it more often.
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least we can all look forward to the time Price takes Sonnys spot.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And Sonny takes the five slot?
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis? Mcgee? Hellickson?
Where they gonna pitch
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hellickson has awhile to go. Price will take Sonnys spot. Then Davis and McGee may or may not take Garza/Jackson. The FO will have to look at their projections and do some cost/benefit analysis and determine who to trade. Of course there is always the ‘pen option.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis will get a rotation spot before anyone else.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it goes Price then Davis. Considering Price hasn’t started a game yet it very well may be Davis. We just have to see how he does. Personally I think he is going to dominate right off the bat.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the 5 spot on the Colorado Rockies. There is no chance Sonny is in our rotation long term.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know its a bad day when we are having gameday converstaions like these
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, it's Price day! Hooray!
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind, that's tomorrow.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone going to Vero Beach tomorow?
I am
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on May 21, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be an awful destination for him.
Put Sonny in PETCO and he’s awesomeness defined.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can say that about anyone when comparing SD and Colorado though.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
But if Sonny were Brandon Webb it wouldn’t matter, he’d just get his groundballs like nothing.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way I can care less where he goes, as long as we get as much as we can for him. But maybe the ‘pen is the option though.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see Sonny take the mound than Garza/Jackson
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garza…maybe. Jackson I think you are way off base. Jackson has infinitely better stuff than Sonny. And he is just beginning to harness it enough to put up good numbers.
I’d always rather have a guy that walks a few, but doesn’t get hit hard than a guy that walks none but pitches virtual BP.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basebal teams overvalue stuff guys.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't kick a guy with a 3.29 era out of the rotation just yet...
by save_the_trop on May 21, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3.58 FIP
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Props to Cust for that AB
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm done....
And so is Sonny’s ERA
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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m glad i can’t watch this shlop
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He threw his FB plenty today Maddon
I hope your fucking happy
by Cory Alexander on May 21, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
'Wind Tunnels' my ass
He is getting shelled
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who is talking about win tunnels?
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Wills
just said that all the fly balls Sonny gives up keep finding ‘wind tunnels’ in the stadium
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomes = wind tunnel?
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sonny is the only player that can give up 6 runs, go 5 innings, and still only have 88 pitches
9 = 8
by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least we won the series
Obviously the boys just want to go home ASAP.
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It appears
that bad Sonny has come to Oakland, today.
by JMB on May 21, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
.500 on the road
Good enough for me
by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How is Sonny 6-1 (well, 6-2 soon) with a 5 ERA?
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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We give him run support and bullpen doesn’t suck for him.
by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
peep this
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2005.shtml
look at the records vs. era for this staff… sorry westbrook
by rglass44 on May 21, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's usually good, but sometimes gets roughed up?
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet you blast Jackson for being consistantly great, but getting roughed up sometimes.
by save_the_trop on May 21, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I blast Edwin for not throwing strikes, walking people, and being inconsistent.
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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs