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5/21: RAYS (27-19) at OAK (24-23)

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RAYS at Oakland

3:35; NO TV
RAYS RADIO/1250 AM

Pitching Matchup:

IP ERA + K/9 BB/9 K/BB HR/9 OPS WHIP G/F P/IP
RAYS RH A. Sonnanst. 57.2 4.53 90 4.68 1.72 2.73 0.94 .760 1.28 1.26 14.25
OAK LH D. Eveland 53.0 3.23 118 6.62 3.91 1.70 0.34 .651 1.28 1.38 15.98

GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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grrrr

Not that we’ll be able to watch it.

Interesting, Eveland and Sonny have identical WHIPs. I smell a regression to the mean for the A’s pitcher.

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MVP = Sonny Pwnage Maximus

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is on MLBtv

But will it be blacked out even though it isnt on local TV here?

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Survey Says

Yes

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 1:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve had the same argument all year. Half the games are on FSN which is not carried by Bright House in Orlando. Half the games are at home which is blacked out on MLB.tv. I watch religiously and end up having to Gameday it (which I am starting to lean more towards as the pitch cam is super awesome, and they now have video clips minutes after RT), but obviously watching it live is where it’s at. I get out of work at 5 so I could not possibly get to the Trop for first pitch. I am sure this is the plight of 1,000s of other people in Orlando. We need solutions from the clowns in charge.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 1:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DirecTV is your friend

Barring that, you should be able to get Comcast, or you’ll have to wait for AT&T U-verse.

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 1:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My guess is that because their TV deal is worth much more than thier internet deal

so making the games available over the net undermines their bottom line.

STILL, you think on days where they games are not available in the home market it would make sense for them to unblock the games, they could make even more money is people are buying cable and mlbtv.

by JI on May 21, 2008 1:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you're sayin its about money

Who woulda thunk it?

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 1:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The stated policy

Is to protect advertising revenue for the local carriers, and to encourage fans to come to the park. But on away games when there is no home TV provider, it makes zero sense…they have been very slow in reviewing their policy

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-blackouts040608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Based on the level of security

(or lack thereof) I think the policy is much more about MLB saving face should a local TV station sue them for lost revenue streams.

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

While there is no doubt MLB makes more revenue off of their TV deals than the internet, they probably make a much higher profit margin over the internet. They are selling a product that a third party has actually paid them for the right to create, and all they pay for is the bandwidth.

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MVP: Pena

He is due to make contact sooner or later

"I'd hate to leave right when the getting is good." -CC

by Matt Bishoff on May 21, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will Paypal $100.00

To anyone who lives outside of the state of Florida and is willing to set up an MLBtv account for me ($79.95)

....Taking matters in my own hands.

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd do it....

but I already have one attached to my CC. Also, I get blacked out for O’s games….

by rglass44 on May 21, 2008 1:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

weird

talk about nudge-nudge wink-wink…thanks

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 1:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I may have to try it

I always thought it was by your billing address

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's the credit card billing address...

I have gotten games in Tampa on my computer because my billing address is outside of florida.

by rglass44 on May 21, 2008 2:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I use it

to get around FOX blackouts, or local blackouts when I am somewhere where there’s no access to cable. It might have been based on billing at one time, but it is now based on IP address.

by JI on May 21, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*#$^#*@& Cards...

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn you bad dancer....

Pujols for President ‘08

Mound Visit

by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That series pissed me off.

Because of that series, and the lack of talent from the Brewers, the Rays are 1 game back of the Sux. That annoys me.

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish I could say the same thing.

But, it is what it WAS. So let’s have some fun and go for the dominate sweep over the Moneyballas’

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MVP: Sonny

This season has been a blast.

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MVP - Sonny

God I wish I could watch this game! Two games I can’t stay up for, then the one during “normal” hours is blocked. Unreal…

by stpetelawyer on May 21, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha!

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How bout that loser with the whistle last night.

That had to be the most annoying thing I have heard during a game. It sounded like a fire alarm going off for 3 hours. How could the people around that tool not beat his ass?

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The cowbells are used in certain moments when the crowd is loud anyhow

Like two-strike counts or certain clutch situations, the whistle was non-stop.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MVP Navi

I’m going for a repeat victory.

B Rad the Ray Fan

by B Ray on May 21, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

has anyone tried myp2p.eu?

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to see if they are broadcasting it

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how the heck is this game not on tv? the saturday game isn’t on tv either. what are these people smoking?

by matthan on May 21, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im not home but it looks like you can watch the feed here

http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=12892&part=sports

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

usually takes a few minutes to load up but it should work

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The links are dead anyone else having this problem?

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

holy crap it looks like it is on myp2p

by matthan on May 21, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

everytime i try

it keeps saying “this account has been suspended”, even though i just registered…. wtf?

by davidsmarch on May 21, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw that myself David

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dang. did you’ll download TVANTS?

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope but when I get off of work I will be sure to do that

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CC day off?

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think we need his LF defense.

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

should be fun seeing Gomes out there…

by davidsmarch on May 21, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cust = E. Brown

I didn’t see the vote but Brown must have been MVP last night right?

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jon Gomes is under the baseball every time

Gomes 600 AB = 300 SO

Is is that far fetched?

Mound Visit

by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gomes 600 AB = 75 HR

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gomes is being played like a veteran at the end of his career.

He is a young guy with a lot to offer. Will he hit .280? Probably not. Could he hit 40 home runs. I could see that. Either use him or waive and let Ruggiano play.

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah right....

I will give him 35 maybe…most pitchers are not left handed

How many men are going to be stranded on third?

Mound Visit

by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he is not given a opportunity more then once every other week

I can’t honestly tell you.

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well if its Beej he would get picked or caught 4 feet from the bag

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seeing as he has 1188 career AB's

and 382 K’s, its ridiculously far-fetched. He’s striking out a lot this year…ill give you that. But you’re getting ridiculous with your Gomes criticisms.

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we should get rid of Gross and bring Ruggs back up.

Today would be a perfect opportunity for him. Righties are hitting over .300 against Everland. But, he sits in Durham collecting dust.

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In other news:

The Devil Rays beat the Yankees 10-6

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In Tampa.

The Tampa Yankees lost to the Vero Beach Devil Rays 10-6.

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good deal.

That sentence has a nice ring to it. “Yankees lost to the… Rays.”

B Rad the Ray Fan

by B Ray on May 21, 2008 3:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like the sentence:

“Rays have a winning record”, or “Rays are in the hunt for October.”

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i cant believe they gave navi a double on that

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

check out mlb.com

the home page says it is only on mlb.tv, but I imagine it is blacked out.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i have a feeling the myp2p.eu isn’t working because the game isn’t on yet. it says the stream starts in 5 minutes so i’d check then

by matthan on May 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could the Royals please win a game.

Please.

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Prediction

Royals get no-hit

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Prediction

Joey G goes yard!

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and pitcher...

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He might jump over the wall, but he aint hitting a ball over it

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i just want to see in play, run(s)

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aki is on 2nd.

Go Rays!

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would say Bruce Willis

He dislocates his shoulder and slams it back into place by slaming his arm into the centerfield wall

Mound Visit

by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or the Freddie Smoot thing...

hadn’t heard it used about Reggie, but Smoot said that (and few understood it) his first time playing for the skins…

by rglass44 on May 21, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Come on BJ

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this myp2p isn't working for me,

all i get is it loads, then i get a picture of the earth, and that’s it.

by davidsmarch on May 21, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

usually it takes a few minutes to do it’s thing…but sometiems it just doesn’t work.

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

#@$%@%#%

This really sucks…

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i guess gameday it is

by matthan on May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, Pena hit a fly ball to center to end the inning

Stranding Aki at 2nd.

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is there a way we can just listen to the game without paying?

I don’t wanna go in my car cuz the signal sucks in Sarasota.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1250 WHNZ if you are in the Bay Area.

I don’t know of the statiion in Sarasota though. Sorry.

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It comes through in Sarasota

it is just static and terrible…..

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that’s true.

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's just Dave Wills

He is still pissed he is not in Chicago.

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1250 and 1220 both work in sarasota

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stream through 1250s website

by matthan on May 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no dice

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow mlb

you are breaking my balls….

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

... the Nazis

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree.

If I was retarded. No comment please.

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sonny hit 90

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everyone hits 90 on Gameday

I’ve been watching it all season. The highest I’ve ever seen it register someone as throwing is 92, even when some of you guys are talking about Jackson and others hitting the high 90s. I swear it must be off. And even if someone is throwing soft, the lowest I’ve ever seen it go is 82 or so. It has a very odd range.

by Steve Slowinski on May 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sonny with with Strike out!

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea they stop the radio stream during games….there is a radio station in syracuse that hasnt gotten the memo yet and streams yankee games

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm going to be craving a cigarette pretty soon without Mad Dog to yell at me that he doesn't smoke.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 K's for the Kid from Ohio.

Sonnastine. The Pride of KKent State!

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’m guessing billy beane told the A’s to swing because this guy doesnt walk anyone….and Maddon told Sonny to throw balls because they’re gonna be swinging away.

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that’s the advantage of being able to throw strikes at-will

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cmon Evan!

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on May 21, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would have been out

If the Rays were playing in that joke of a ballpark known as Fenway.

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The monster is the same color as every dumpster in Florida

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woo Woo Woo

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Finally home and set up with Gameday Audio

Go Rays! Go Sonny!

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MVP MVP MVP MVP

lets give it up for Emil Brown

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on May 21, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3Ks!

In the Name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!

by thebaddancingraysfan on May 21, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL @ Emil

Siddown. Lock it down a little bit more, Sonny, you may need those pitches later.

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ruggiano should be up and we shouldn’t have Gross. They will give similar defensive play, but I like Ruggiano much more than Gross offensively.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Any one know why Hinske isnt playing against a leftie

Protect the Trop: Keep northerners out.

by St Pete Native on May 21, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know i know i meant to say gomes

Protect the Trop: Keep northerners out.

by St Pete Native on May 21, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gomes is playing LF.

9 = 8

by websterjtc on May 21, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bc gross has no chance to touch a leftie
.... and i meant to say gomes

Protect the Trop: Keep northerners out.

by St Pete Native on May 21, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two umps with super-size east-to-west strike zones, and today we get one that's north-to-south and extra-svelte

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I spoke too soon

Picasso drew this dude’s strike zone, obviously.

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's the getaway day strike zone

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually like aki and barty at the top..

I like a line up of:

Aki
Bartlett
Crawford
Upton
Longoria
Pena

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

7th is more intelligent

He’s not getting it done where he is

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

be patient,

he’ll get his summer swing back…

by davidsmarch on May 21, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he will get his swing back

But don’t expect him to make up for lost time. I’d be shocked if he hits above .260 on the year at this point.

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i could care less if he hits 260, once he gets his swing back,

and his eye, his obp will jump to hopefully the .380, .390 area, and that’s all i care about.

by davidsmarch on May 21, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Realistically he shouldn't be expected to.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pena strikes out too much and doesn’t get enough xbh to drive in runs. also he strikes out (or ends innings) way too much so evan is up with nobody on way too much. we would be better off giving upton and longoria the chance to drive in some runs.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Strikeout >>> GIDP

Carl has three, Pena one.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone see the thing on worst clean-up hitters since 1957 on hbt?

If Pena doesn’t pick up the slack he may join that list by year’s end…

by rglass44 on May 21, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His OPS+ is 95, team is 103

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure. But Pena is not someone you can rely on consistently for RBIs. Crawford, Upton and Longoria are our ‘consistent’ RBI men. Pena strikes out too much and he simply doesn’t get enough extra base hits. Also Pena ends innings too much and it kills Longoria. Heck I’d be alright flip flopping Pena and Longoria. Although that may be too much too soon for Evan. Also doing an Aki/Barty/CC/Upton/Longoria/Pena approach would allow Carl to hit with more men on base.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do we REALLY want Carl up with more men on?

His approach isn’t exactly what I want with 2 on nobody out.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’d say i’d be much more confident with carl up than pena in that situation. pena is the absolute worst person to have up with men on and less than 2 outs.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree.

I’ll take Carlos going to 2-2 and King rather than Carl first pitch hacking into a double play.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Carl, Upton, and Longoria have a extremely higher chance of knocking in a guy on 3rd with 1 out, moving a runner over if need be, driving in a run on 2nd with 2 out, and driving in a run from 1st than Pena. Penas only real RBIs are off home runs. We need guys that are able to sac fly, hit singles, and XBH on a much more consistent basis to drive in men. Pena just doesn’t do it. It is home run or bust.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Singles and SF maybe...

XBH:
Carl: 11
Carlos: 12

Most are homers, sure, but that’s not the point.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now factor in how many innings longoria started because of a carlos strike out…

That is my main gripe. Mainly because if Barty hits 9, Aki 1, then Carl 2 then there really isn’t a major difference outside the first inning

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugly second at-bat

Good thing he ended up popping out

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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dang there goes the perfect game

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by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2008 4:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Walked on strike 2

Oh jeez…

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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Longo, you idiot!

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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gomes you idiot, too.

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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Radio made it sound like the ball got by Longo

Hard to tell with no TV

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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least Cust goes down in three

Someone please hit a ball at the dude with the dog whistle

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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if i couyld get a replay...

I might be able to offer some insight.

by rglass44 on May 21, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Navi not a bad idea

CC getting the day off, however, is

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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish my boss gave me as many days off as Maddon gives our best players.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and we go 1-2-3

I don’t like where this is heading…

by JMB on May 21, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

video of the double is up on gameday

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bah, I didn't even know we were down 2-0.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looks like gomes screwed the play up, not longoria….it looked like a legit ball down the chalk, but gomes couldn’t pick it up and threw it like a girl

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well they both screwed it up…obviously the ball should have never gotten to gomes

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He strikes out and can't play defense....

Can we trade this guy why he has value

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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm actually all for it

He is being improperly used in his current role, meaning we are not getting full value out of him.

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ruggiano could sit the bench just as well, but he brings less charisma

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His contact% is a career high 75%

Higher than Evan and B.J.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think ruggiano should get a legit shot at RF. We don’t really have a long term answer so why not give a good that is producing in AAA a shot? Plus it will give us some more speed

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most of our RF options have been above average (until Gomes now)

And apparently Ruggiano has character flaws.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

None of them are the long term answer though.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Na.

But you don’t always need one, as long as your team isn’t the Giants/nursing home age you can go with platoons and short term fixes.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have a question

Does errors or hit by pitch help your OBP?

I know it doesn’t affect average at all.

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by Mound Visit on May 21, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Helps OBP

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting that it is calculated

I would guess that there are only a handful of MLB batters who have a significant effect on how many times they are hit…its interesting that its considered a plus…though I cans ee the argument both ways.

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because I have nothing better to do, I figured up Craig Biggio's:

With HBPs: .363
Without HBPs: .348

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HBP is, I thought?

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And naturally Es would lower it

Since it doesn’t count as a hit, but still holds an AB value.

So if a player goes 1-3 with a HBP and reached on an error he’s reached base three times, but only two count really “count” as reaching base.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gomes just got hbp

because you all were talking smack about him.

by Albertrayon on May 21, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rapping on the bench.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh

back from dinner… wish I wasn’t

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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just not our day

Hope J.P. is warming up…

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by Orlando Rays on May 21, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the east coast, I hope.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I assume so

you never hear of a non-injured position player being sent home on an early flight….though I beleive we should see it more often.

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least we can all look forward to the time Price takes Sonnys spot.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Sonny takes the five slot?

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hellickson has awhile to go. Price will take Sonnys spot. Then Davis and McGee may or may not take Garza/Jackson. The FO will have to look at their projections and do some cost/benefit analysis and determine who to trade. Of course there is always the ‘pen option.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Davis will get a rotation spot before anyone else.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it goes Price then Davis. Considering Price hasn’t started a game yet it very well may be Davis. We just have to see how he does. Personally I think he is going to dominate right off the bat.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe the 5 spot on the Colorado Rockies. There is no chance Sonny is in our rotation long term.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IMO Sonny is better suited for the ‘pen

by JMB on May 21, 2008 4:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know its a bad day when we are having gameday converstaions like these

by GomesSweetGomes on May 21, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude, it's Price day! Hooray!

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nevermind, that's tomorrow.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone going to Vero Beach tomorow?

I am

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by SRQman on May 21, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be an awful destination for him.

Put Sonny in PETCO and he’s awesomeness defined.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can say that about anyone when comparing SD and Colorado though.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course.

But if Sonny were Brandon Webb it wouldn’t matter, he’d just get his groundballs like nothing.

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by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2008 4:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Either way I can care less where he goes, as long as we get as much as we can for him. But maybe the ‘pen is the option though.

by matthan on May 21, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs