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All About the People: Quick look at Attendance

 

   I have heard time and time again this year that no one is showing up at Tampa Bay Rays home games. The fact of the mater is currently with the 29 home games that the Rays have played thus far, the Rays have attracted 509,616 people through the gates. Now, keep in mind that is including the three games the Rays played in Orlando at Champion stadium (a spring training and minor league ball park.) So with 36% of the home games played the Rays have drawn a half of million people to their home games.

   So currently the Rays are averaging 17, 572 fans per game which is a slight increase over the fan support last year of 17,148. Is this a good thing? Yes. Can we do better? Yes. If the numbers stay consistent the Rays shall attract 1,405,788 to Rays home games for the rest of 2008 season. This would be the forth best season in attendance in team history.

   What does this mean? People are coming out. Slowly, but surely the people are coming to Tropicana Field. Whether it be for a Carlos Pena figurine or to see the Commodores singing "brick house" the people are coming back.

   Once again, these numbers are slightly askew in the sense the Orlando series is factored with these numbers. Had those games been played at Tropicana Field there no true guarantee that the Rays would have attracted more fans. So, game by game, the fans are starting to find a reason to cross the bridge, go downtown, and root for the Rays. Let's keep the faith and Go Rays!

Sources: ESPN.com Boxscores, Baseball Almanac.com Attendence data.

 

This post was written by a member of the DRaysBay community and does not necessarily express the views or opinions of DRaysBay staff.

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It's going to take a whole lot more than 1/3 of a season of good baseball to erase 10 years of sucktitude.

Just keep it going, guys.

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on May 28, 2008 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I think about the Bolts when considering attendance

The Bolts were a bad team for a long time too. They played in a bad stadium (what a coincidence!) with bad ownership and a team that was overpaid and under-delivered. Even when they moved over to the Ice Palace (I still don’t like to call it the forum), attendance was still only about 10,000 a night. As the Bolts turned their fortunes around, attendance rose, but it did so slowly.

Using the Lightning as an example, in the 2000-2001 season they finished with a record of 24-52-6 (24-47-6-5 with the revised records after they started tracking OTLs separate) and had an average attendance of 14,906, good for 5th worst in the league. The next year they improved to 27-40-11-4 and attendance jumped to 15,722, now 20th in the league. In the following year they broke through and made the playoffs with 95 points, and attendance jumped again to 16,545, now 16th in the league. The following year, they won the cup. Even then, attendance was still below sellout capacity. They averaged 17,820, good for 12th. Ever since they won the cup, attendance has been high; even with the worst record in the league last year, they still averaged 18,692, good for eighth.

The reality is, as dominating as the Rays are right now, 2 months of a season is not going to erase 10 years of the Hit Show, 10 years of Heart and Hustle, 10 years of Watch It Happen, or 10 years of bullpen meltdowns, terrible starting pitching, inadequate offense and Vince Namoli. And personally, I still believe that one specific team, the 2000 squad really turned off all but the most hardcore of baseball fans in this area, because that team was a team of quitters. It personally took me four years to get over that.

The turnaround the Rays have exhibited thus far this season is nothing short of miraculous, and I have a feeling most casual fans are still looking at this team and thinking it’s too good to be true. It may be, but if they keep up this trend, I’d be surprised if the Rays are still drawing 10,000 a game in late August. At the same time, I’d be just as surprised if this team was drawing 35,000 against Kansas City on a weekday as well.

The Tampa Bay area has seen far too much futility in their sports teams; the Bucs were bad for a very long time, so were the Bolts, so were the Rays, The Bucs got lucky; they rolled out a brand new stadium and brand new uniforms with a team that had a completely different attitude then this area has ever seen from a sports team, and as a result their attendance spiked right away. The USF Bulls never were a horrible football team, so they had no lost fanbase to win back. The Rays don’t have that luxury. Like the Lightning, The Rays have to win back fans that gave up on them. They have to win transplant fans who refused to root for a team as bad as they were, and both of those take a long time to do.

Twenty-five thousand a game is a lofty goal for a team that has never shown any signs of ever winning anything. I personally think the Rays can reach that goal, but either they’ll have to win the World Series this year, or they’ll have to make the playoffs this year, than show this area that it wasn’t a fluke by doing it again next year. The Marlins have already demonstrated that you simply can’t buy or fluke this area into a championship and expect people to show up.

by kericr on May 28, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Here we go.. now the national media is jumping on the attendance angle, leading off the game recap no less. So much for playing up the “feel good” Rays.

By FRED GOODALL, AP Sports Writer
26 minutes ago

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP)—Another win, another dismal crowd for the Tampa Bay Rays.

Despite being off to the best start in franchise history and beginning the day tied with the Chicago Cubs for the best record in major leagues, Tampa Bay drew an announced crowd of 10,927.

The first two games of the series drew 12,174 and 10,511, and the Rays are last in the AL with an average of 17,938, third-lowest in the majors.

There was also mention of Baldelli getting some spring training at-bats.

Tampa Bay OF Rocco Baldelli (mitochondrial disorder), who is eligible to come off the 60-day disabled list on Thursday, may be close to getting some at-bats in extended spring training games

Longlorious.

by RATW on May 28, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

It is embarrassing though

I won’t lie, when I saw these numbers in the box score, it made me ashamed of my home area. I understand the reasons for it, and I’m optimistic about it improving, but I’m tired of making excuses for people around here. They need to start better supporting the team.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on May 28, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that’s all that big of a deal. For people outside of the area, it can’t be easy to understand why fan’s aren’t going to the games. I’ve never seen an ESPN report talk about what Stewart Sterberg has done to turn around the image of the franchise other than changing the name. Nothing about being able to bring in your own food, or free parking, or the touch tank, or any of those things. I never saw anything on ESPN either about how much this community at large outright hated Vince Namoli. All they see is the bad attendance.

by kericr on May 28, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats because were not the yanks or sawx....

they don’t realize anything happens in baseball outside those two teams.

by rglass44 on May 28, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lazy reporting and ignorance bother me.

Longlorious.

by RATW on May 28, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re Lightning

I agree the new stadium made a huge difference. I went to one of their games when they played in the big stadium and being a Florida boy I thought “Hockey, what’s the big deal?”

Then I got some good seats at the new stadium and I got hooked. Totally different experience. Now I spend about $800 a year on Lightning tickets.

I was working in D.C. for six years when the Orioles got their new stadium and I saw what a difference it made, instead of being a bit of an ordeal going to a game became an event (loved the Boog Powell BBQ stand near the entrance to the new Orioles park).

I hope the Rays get the new park and copy some of the things the Lightning have done:

1. Easy parking … I usually park in a metered space for Lightning games
2. Good food available in-stadium (Outback is pretty good at the Forum but Five Guys is out of this world, as are the two-for-one hotdog stubs on many tickets)
3. Treat fans good, with the Lightning I have a guy I can call and speak to a real live person about buying tickets.
4. Maintain a family friendly atmosphere, this isn’t a problem for the Rays that I have seen but the Lightning ushers have really quick hooks for throwing unruly fans out, it is a good practice to follow.

by Gator80 on May 28, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Boog's

Talked to Boog for a good 5-10 mins at the second game of the year because there was absolutely none at the game. We talked about how sad it was that first week of the season and there were no O’s fans there. He was pretty complimentary of the team, too.

by rglass44 on May 28, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the BBQ is good too...

although the line usually sucks. Not that game though.

by rglass44 on May 28, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

About the stadium

I actually wasn’t making a point about the Lightning’s attendance boosting because of their move to the Ice Palace; I made that point about the Bucs. ESPN’s attendance figures archive only goes back to 2001, the Palace opened up (and the ‘ning moved there) in 1996. I don’t really know if the attendance had a jump in their first year there or not, I know that at it’s worst the Bolts were only drawing about 11,000 a game.

The point I was trying to make with the comparison of the Bolts is that it took the Lightning a long time to win their fanbase back, going from a laughing stock, to competitive losers, to contenders and finally, to champions. The Rays are going to have to travel that route in the long run to see their attendance grow.

But the points you make are certainly valid, the Rays will have to treat their fans just like the Bolts treat theirs in order to retain the fans they have as well as show the new fans that they’re serious about making sure their visitors enjoy themselves.

by kericr on May 28, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you'll see attendance jump a bit more when school gets out.

Not a lot of parents want to take their kids to a game on a school night (or day), but in the summer that’s not an issue.

"Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me." -Dusty Baker on OBP

by vtcub on May 28, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

"What does this mean? People are coming out. "

Not really. We are the best team in baseball and we are still only having our 4th best year attendance wise. Thats horrible if you ask me, and it shows nothing of fan support. best team in baseball and we average 11,000 in our latest home series. June should be a better month, as Id imagine it is for most teams in MLB due to the summertime and kids being out of school. But I wont applaude the 4th best attendance numbers in team history.

by blazinrayz on May 28, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

People will come

Im a Twins fan, but have been coming here since last year when I was stumbling around for Rays info. Anyway, I thought I would add my 2 cents

The Twins after 1992 became mediocre, then by the late 90’s they were downright BAD. The loss of Kirby Puckett, busted prospects (Scott Stohoviak!), terrible pitchers (Scott Kilingbeck!, Scott Aldred…oy the list names is just brutal), the owners wanted to leave town to the Raliegh/Durham area because they wanted a new Stadium, and other things ..its all added up. The Twins went from 2,000,000 fans in 1993 to just clearing 1,000,000 tickets sold in 2000 (I bet only 600,000 people actually showed up to these games because the attendance numbers go by tickets sold rather than people showing up)

i gotta admit, I miss those days. You show up to the ballpark and have whole sections to yourself and your friend. you could hear the outfielders chat with each other, you could hear the umps call balls and strike from far away center field. but the team..yeah terrible (one year there was like 5 catchers that started for the team)

But then, in 2001, things started to look up. the team got off to a hot start (18-6 in April), yet people we still not showing up for games. But the team kept winning, and slowly the weekend attendance picked up. The team kept winning, and more fans showed up. the final tally, 1.7 mi fans!

That was 2001, in 2007 attendance was almost 2.3 mil.

the moral, keep winning the fans will show. I know i’ll be cheering for ya (unless the Twins and Rays meet in the playoffs)

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on May 29, 2008 2:19 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for the input

I appreciate your perspective on this, as the two franchises are/have been in similar circumstances. Best of luck to you and your team this year.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on May 29, 2008 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Going to my first game of the season

Saturday with Kaz on the mound.

Buying the ticket was a lot easier than when I tried last year cause ticketmaster is giving you more time to fill out the online info, last year it was like a race.

Got a seat in 213 section for $26 plus $7.25 in service charges which seems pretty reasonable.

by Gator80 on May 29, 2008 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

TicketBastard Service Charges

Are pretty ridiculous, and run counter to their goals of trying to sell more advance tickets. If you’d waited till the day of the game you’d have only paid $2 in service charges.

by GomesSweetGomes on May 29, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think next time I will wait until the day of the game.

I’m going to try to catch a game a week for the rest of the season.

by Gator80 on May 29, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

TicketRaper

I hate ticketmaster with a passion. However, the one time I tried to work around them by buying tickets in advance directly from the Lightning box office cost me two EXTRA trips to the forum to try to pick up my tickets. 30 miles each way, with gas prices at $3.05 (at the time) and my car getting 23MPG equals I should have paid TicketRaper; it would have been cheaper that way.

by kericr on May 31, 2008 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better than the new Nats stadium

That’s what I payed for seats on the fourth level. $30 OF seats. Thank God I got some of my Aunt and Uncle’s tix for remaining games because A. they’re free and B. they are good.

by rglass44 on May 29, 2008 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

i went to a Nats game last year

that stadium was terrible for baseball.

good post twins fan. I have generally believed (due to past experiences with the Bucs/Lightning) that what you said happened to the Twins would be the way things would progress for the Rays, attendance wise. This town supports competitive sports teams when we have owners that are committed to atleast ‘trying’ to win. Its a big baseball town to, so it makes no sense for baseball not to work here. Plus, the Tampa Bay metropolitan area is the 2nd largest met area in the southeast US

by blazinrayz on May 29, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

2nd largest?

Aren’t both the Atlanta and Miami/Ft. Lauderdale/West Palm Beach metropolitan areas larger?

by Patrick L. Kennedy on May 30, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

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