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Florida Marlins @ Tampa Bay Rays


Florida at RAYS

1:40; FSN Florida
RAYS RADIO/1250 AM

Pitching Matchup:


 IP ERA + K/9 BB/9 K/BB HR/9 OPS WHIP G/F P/IP
FLA RH R. Nolasco
 72.0 4.63 88
 5.38 3.25 1.65 1.63 .821 1.43 0.81 16.17
RAYS RH E. Jackson
 77.2 4.06 103 6.14 4.17 1.47 0.70 .733 1.48 1.21 16.71

Starting Lineups:

Florida
SS Hanley Ramírez
RF
 Jeremy Hermida
1B
 Jorge Cantú
DH Mike Jacobs
2B
 Dan Uggla
LF Luis González
3B Wes Helms
CF Cody Ross
C Mike Rabelo
RAYS
2B Akinori Iwamura
1B Willy Aybar
CF B.J. Upton
LF Eric Hinske
3B Evan Longoria
DH Cliff Floyd
C
 Dioner Navarro
RF Gabe Gross
SS Jason Bartlett

GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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SWEEP!!!!!

sweep of the intra-state rival
afternoon baseball
and an MVP BJ

now that’s a good day…

by K-Rock on Jun 15, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like how the announcers make it sound like bringing in veterans makes the difference.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Four pitch walks kill kittens.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That implies Edwin threw strikes.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yay!

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Marlins have a "save money" commercial? Goodness...

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like it when our leadoff hitter gets on base.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aybar using Low as a his ditty is hilarious.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This lineup has ran so much better without Crawford 2008 version.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Left field is the "easiest" defensive position.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops, cut off the body.

So Hinske in left wouldn’t hurt us as bad as Hinske in right.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, thats why hinske should only dh

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 1:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ruggiano in LF would be my dream.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crawford for Oswalt?

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crawford for Sheets.

I have a humongous Sheets mancrush.

by P Brady on Jun 15, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rec'd.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2008 version*

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you are very surprising,

you of ALL people preach streakiness, and yet you’re ready to turn on CC for the hot hitting Aybar, or whoever else is currently STREAKING hot…

by davidsmarch on Jun 15, 2008 1:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not preaching streakiness

What part of 65 games is a “cold streak”?

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I could bring up your Pena argument and say how you're being hypocritical

But screw it.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not really sure where you're going with that,

pena was cold for years, had one good year, and is back to being cold. i’m not sure how the situations relate at all.

by davidsmarch on Jun 15, 2008 2:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

His career numbers are better than Carl.

Meaning the 1,000 games before this year Carlos was still > Carl, and the 65 games this year Carlos is > Carl.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

his career numbers pale in comparison to CC,

unless you really just want to go by OPS and hr’s. give me a break dude, trying to say Pena has had a better career then CC is not even a debate.

by davidsmarch on Jun 15, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look at the EqA, please.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if he was so great how come we were able to bring him in as a non roster invitee?

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

People are stupid.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

of course,

all the trained and paid professional scouts are stupid, and you are not…

by davidsmarch on Jun 15, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's exactly what I said.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

see response below about difference between 6 year vet and someone who hasnt even made a major league appearance

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Johan too.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont think that would happen with Cc

I guess every GM in baseball is an idiot, you guys are obviously smarter

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Albert Pujols was a 13th round draft pick.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe, just maybe there is a difference in scouting ability between a guy who was in the majors for 6 years and someone out of high school? i mean just maybe.

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Albert was drafted from a community college.

Our scouts wanted him, LaMar said no.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you actually going to response to my point or just try to throw out random facts so people think you are smart. still a big difference between CC basbeall and a 6 year vet

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You act like Pujols was in high school, he was not.

How about signing Zito to a huge deal? Silva? How about dealing Soriano for Horacio?

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And we agree he'll turn it around.

It’s the people who won’t admit in his current state that he’s not helpful that are the ones arguing.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thankfully.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rabelo is woefully inept.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Surprising.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn

Lock it down, Edwin

by JMB on Jun 15, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

These Marlins announcers are not good.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two walks in two innings is not funny.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn't one of his new found strengths how he pitches to contact?

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ball in play: 70% chance of being out, Walk: 100% chance of reaching base.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ball in play =/= base hit.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really? no shit

two walks is better than two basehits. that was my comment.

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're missing the point. Stop missing the point.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im missing the point? right. you’re the one who has an inability to actually respond to anyone’s argument directly

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those walks really WERE better than hits, weren't they?

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

would have been better than a hr

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah thats exactly what i said. nice point man

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what your argument is implying...

Make them put the ball in play…much better chance of getting an out then a walk

by td32 on Jun 15, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

please, learn something about baseball

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Edwin supports on-base percentage.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you and your minions have made this board borderline unbearable

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, i am. that’s how im sitting on a laptop typing. because im retarded. good call man.

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

clever

you’re really on your game today man.

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's walking all the batters, he doesn't want a ball to get into play...

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why don't you understand

Walks lead to bad things. If you walk someone, you have no chance of getting an out. It’s very simple.

by SuperB on Jun 15, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow, you used one of my own words to insult. damn, you are really on today.

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

basehits don’t lead to bad things though. those are fine. that was what i said. i didn’t say anything about making contact. i said walks are better than basehits and you guys read way too much into that statement.

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its a stupid statement

If you don’t even give your fielders a chance, what is the point. Not every ball put in play goes for a hit.

by SuperB on Jun 15, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

READ READ READ READ

RaysTheRoof clearly said BASEHIT. That means putting the ball in play and getting at least to first base with no error and no fielders choice. You DO NOT get an out on a base hit. You can preach all you want about giving your fielders a chance, but that is totally IRRELEVANT to the point. By mere definition a basehit means your fielders had no chance.

by matthan on Jun 15, 2008 2:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's no guarantee that there would've been two hits.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's not the point...

Walks are soooo bad because they dont give you a chance to record an out. Throwing strikes does….

by td32 on Jun 15, 2008 2:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is the point of all these comments? Clearly you are all debating different things. He was talking basehits v walks and you were talking base in play v walks. They are totally different. To compare the two is a joke in itself. Giving up a basehit doesn’t give you a chance to record an out. Obviously I’d rather have a guy that never walks someone than a pitcher that walks people. Of course pitchers should make guys put the ball in play. But to say walks are base hits is false.

Simply put

ball in play > walks
walks > base hit

by matthan on Jun 15, 2008 2:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are two walks better than two basehits? yes or no? just answer that question. don’t start trying to think it is asking more than it is. THAT WAS MY COMMENT. WHY CANT YOU GUYS READ?

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amen. Their response has nothing to do with what you posted. A base hit is obviously worse than a walk because it can move runners an extra base plus it puts pressure on the defense.

by matthan on Jun 15, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Either way

there would be a runner in scoring position. And you can’t assume that the runner would be able to take the extra base. And walks generally = more pitches which leads to a shorter outing. So yes, walks suck.

by SuperB on Jun 15, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're just saving our reading powers for later.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I should leave the site, I do nothing for it.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still three runs on the board either way.

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yay....

More 1-out walks

by JMB on Jun 15, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sigh

C’mon, Edwin

by JMB on Jun 15, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SHIT

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Solo HR's arent bad.

But walking 2 guys before a HR is bad

by td32 on Jun 15, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Giving up two hits and then a HR would result in the exact same amount of runs scored.

by matthan on Jun 15, 2008 2:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's no guarantee that there would've been two hits.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So? There no guarantee that they wouldn’t have gone yard either. Theres no guarantee that they wouldn’t have hit the ball to center and caused BJ to blow his achilles out.

by matthan on Jun 15, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You fail to understand the point...

When you force a batter to swing, there is about a 70% chance you get an out if the ball is put in play. When you walk a batter, there is a 0% chance you record an out.

by td32 on Jun 15, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THIS.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And you fail to understand the point that by mere definition a base hit means that there was no out recorded. You are contradicting yourself at every point. At one hand you are saying a base hit and a ball in play is the exact same yet then you say there is a 70 percent chance of an out on a ball in play. That is not possible. You can’t say that a ball in play results in a man at least on first base 100 percent of the time while also saying it results in an out 70 percent of the time. Do you understand that?

by matthan on Jun 15, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, they don't

its a waste of time to argue with people who think they know everything

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm done arguing with you.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Base hit =/= ball in play

That’s our entire fucking point. You can’t say “Better than a base hit” because you don’t fucking know if it’s going to be a hit. A ball in play does NOT equal a hit. That’s where this whole argument goes to hell and that’s our problem with the initial comment.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

RJ

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A BASE HIT. A BASE HIT. A BASE HIT. HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT. Do you understand? A BASE HIT. BATTER HITS BALL AND RUNS TO FIRST BASE WITHOUT GETTING AN OUT. That is what a hit is. Do you comprehend?

Look you are saying that we don’t know if a ball in play would result in a hit. Well you don’t know that pitches thrown will result in a walk. Your argument has absolutely no validity. You can’t on one hand look at the past (issued a walk) and then look into the future (the ball in play MIGHT result in a hit). You need the same frame of reference. We are saying given the two results a base hit or a walk a walk is favored. The debate isn’t a walk or maybe a base hit. Or he might get a base hit. It is a base hit. If you want to talk about “maybe” getting a base hit then we should add in the “maybe” of getting a walk.

by matthan on Jun 15, 2008 3:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well you don’t know that pitches thrown will result in a walk.

He was talking about the two walks he had just given up…

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And he was saying that they were better than giving up a base hit. Which they were. You need the same frame of reference. He clearly said “base hit” not ball in play. You can’t change the definition of a base hit no matter how hard you try. Obviously I’d rather the batter put the ball in play than take a walk. But a hit implies he hit the ball and made it to first base.

I’m sure you know what a hit is. So why are you trying to change the meaning?

by matthan on Jun 15, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rec'd.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its all good

Its just a stupid and pointless argument when people are debating two things that aren’t remotely the same.

by matthan on Jun 15, 2008 3:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everyone understands your point...

It’s just you 2 dont understand what we are saying

by td32 on Jun 15, 2008 2:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is a nice guy though.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

E-Jax is at it again

Walks, wild pitches, hangers. Sigh.

by RayFanNY on Jun 15, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JacKKson!!

Where the hell was that three batters ago,,,,

by JMB on Jun 15, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay

Let’s get ‘em back…

by JMB on Jun 15, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least it's Nolasco, we can beat him up.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marlins announcers need to do better research

Hinske is making like 800k.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes...

But if you take out Ramirez, Hinske would be making 10x as much as the entire Marlins roster. So I understand their frustration.

by RayFanNY on Jun 15, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like it when Floyd doubles.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At this rate, Jax won't make it thru the 5th on pitch counts alone

This is fifth straight struggle start for him.

Longlorious.

by RATW on Jun 15, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kazmir/Sheets/Shields

Nasty.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Imagine the potential bullpen next year:

Howell/Wheeler/Reid/Salas/Percival

I like.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but I'm talking about next year.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know it's good when we haven't even talked about Davis

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopefully a car trunk.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

have to agree with the announcers. start the game at 7 so people can watch it. even with a concert

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why is this pitcher throwing strikes..

He is risking the chance of giving up a hit

by td32 on Jun 15, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His defense isn't even as good as ours.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Facts are funny to you?

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My statement wasn't making fun of you.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They shouldn't be allowed near Joe/Dewayne's seats.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ugh

Nice to see our offense returning to normal

...or not

by JMB on Jun 15, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay

Lock it down, Edwin

by JMB on Jun 15, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ichiro owns.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or Ibanez.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's an outlier in terms of BABIP.

So he can maintain a decent OBP

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He loves Moneyball.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are we ever going to be allowed to play as many games as Boston?

Or are they going to have 3 games more than us the rest of the freaking season?

by RayFanNY on Jun 15, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boston pounding Cincy..

Crisp, Drew and Ellsbury with HR’s.

Ellsbury is amazing.. 33 SB’s.

Longlorious.

by RATW on Jun 15, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

And Crisp will be out the door soon. They don’t need him with Ellsbury becoming a star. Wherever he ends up, I hope Crawford pulls his hair again.

by RayFanNY on Jun 15, 2008 2:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would've been nice to sign him.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ellsbury is not a star. Not even close.

by matthan on Jun 15, 2008 2:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We should only sign stars.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

id take ellsbury

although they both have “damon” arms

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jacoby's OPS is .1 points higher than Carl's this year.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RANGE...FACTOR?

+1 Marlins announcer.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because he has filthy stuff..

His peripherals arent too bad this year if I recall

by td32 on Jun 15, 2008 2:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woooooooooooo

Offense is back :_:

by JMB on Jun 15, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't get a BP subscription this year. I like BaseballHQ a little better.

How is CC’s VORP this season? I’d be interested to see where he ranks

by RayFanNY on Jun 15, 2008 2:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2.7

In the Pena/CC debate, Pena’s rolling a 4.7

by P Brady on Jun 15, 2008 2:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Check out Gross WARP1 v. Griffey's.

.9 Gross
.5 Griff

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His smile is worth 3.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aite

Lock it down, Edwin

by JMB on Jun 15, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gardener

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Has to be.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Get Howell/Hammel ready

Jackson’s pitch count has to be near 200.

Longlorious.

by RATW on Jun 15, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay

SCORE SOME FUCKING RUNS

by JMB on Jun 15, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How many 3-0 counts have we gotten into without getting a guy on base? Like 4 or 5?

by matthan on Jun 15, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They’d rather swing and take their probable out than a free base.

by matthan on Jun 15, 2008 2:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate these announcers.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And now they mention Griffey.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need more smiles.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mike Rabelo wasn't the headliner?

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would've been out of this inning if not for Aki's slow reaction.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last December.

I went the free e-book route.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks like the file holder's link expired.

I’ll have to re-upload it later if you really want it.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know what? Fuck it.

DFA Jackson. Niemman, Talbot, Hammel, I don’t give a fuck. Get him out of here.

by P Brady on Jun 15, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why is that stupidity

he hasn’t done shit since the first month of the season. Get him the fuck out of here.

by SuperB on Jun 15, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone who would give up prospects for him

needs to be fired. He doesn’t have the demeanor to be a major league starter.

by SuperB on Jun 15, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

disagree

he’s 24 years old and has major league caliber stuff and has only started in the MLs for 1 full year. you need to have patience. lots of gms would be willing to give up something to get him.

by RaysTheRoof on Jun 15, 2008 3:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Minaya, Bavasi, Sabean...

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs