6/15: FLA (36-32) at RAYS (40-28)
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jun 15, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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PrintMiami Marlins at Tampa Bay Rays, Jun 15, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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Pitching Matchup:
| IP | ERA | + | K/9 | BB/9 | K/BB | HR/9 | OPS | WHIP | G/F | P/IP | ||
| FLA | RH R. Nolasco |
72.0 | 4.63 | 88 |
5.38 | 3.25 | 1.65 | 1.63 | .821 | 1.43 | 0.81 | 16.17 |
| RAYS | RH E. Jackson |
77.2 | 4.06 | 103 | 6.14 | 4.17 | 1.47 | 0.70 | .733 | 1.48 | 1.21 | 16.71 |
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GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I like how the announcers make it sound like bringing in veterans makes the difference.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Four pitch walks kill kittens.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
That implies Edwin threw strikes.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yay!
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
The Marlins have a "save money" commercial? Goodness...
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
I like it when our leadoff hitter gets on base.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Aybar using Low as a his ditty is hilarious.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
This lineup has ran so much better without Crawford 2008 version.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Left field is the "easiest" defensive position.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops, cut off the body.
So Hinske in left wouldn’t hurt us as bad as Hinske in right.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ruggiano in LF would be my dream.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Crawford for Oswalt?
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
For Oswalt? We have a mid-40,000,000 payroll, no player should really be "too much money" if we're competing.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
2008 version*
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
you are very surprising,
you of ALL people preach streakiness, and yet you’re ready to turn on CC for the hot hitting Aybar, or whoever else is currently STREAKING hot…
I'm not preaching streakiness
What part of 65 games is a “cold streak”?
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I could bring up your Pena argument and say how you're being hypocritical
But screw it.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
not really sure where you're going with that,
pena was cold for years, had one good year, and is back to being cold. i’m not sure how the situations relate at all.
by davidsmarch on Jun 15, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His career numbers are better than Carl.
Meaning the 1,000 games before this year Carlos was still > Carl, and the 65 games this year Carlos is > Carl.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
his career numbers pale in comparison to CC,
unless you really just want to go by OPS and hr’s. give me a break dude, trying to say Pena has had a better career then CC is not even a debate.
Look at the EqA, please.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
People are stupid.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That's exactly what I said.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Johan too.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think that would happen with Cc
I guess every GM in baseball is an idiot, you guys are obviously smarter
how come they havent hired you guys yet
you’re clearly smarter than 75% of mlb gms?
Albert Pujols was a 13th round draft pick.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe, just maybe there is a difference in scouting ability between a guy who was in the majors for 6 years and someone out of high school? i mean just maybe.
Albert was drafted from a community college.
Our scouts wanted him, LaMar said no.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
are you actually going to response to my point or just try to throw out random facts so people think you are smart. still a big difference between CC basbeall and a 6 year vet
You act like Pujols was in high school, he was not.
How about signing Zito to a huge deal? Silva? How about dealing Soriano for Horacio?
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And we agree he'll turn it around.
It’s the people who won’t admit in his current state that he’s not helpful that are the ones arguing.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Thankfully.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, because having guys with higher OBPs and SLGs than Crawford near the top make the lineup worse.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Rabelo is woefully inept.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Surprising.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
These Marlins announcers are not good.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Two walks in two innings is not funny.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Isn't one of his new found strengths how he pitches to contact?
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ball in play: 70% chance of being out, Walk: 100% chance of reaching base.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ball in play =/= base hit.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
really? no shit
two walks is better than two basehits. that was my comment.
You're missing the point. Stop missing the point.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
im missing the point? right. you’re the one who has an inability to actually respond to anyone’s argument directly
Those walks really WERE better than hits, weren't they?
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what your argument is implying...
Make them put the ball in play…much better chance of getting an out then a walk
Edwin supports on-base percentage.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
clever
you’re really on your game today man.
He's walking all the batters, he doesn't want a ball to get into play...
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don't you understand
Walks lead to bad things. If you walk someone, you have no chance of getting an out. It’s very simple.
basehits don’t lead to bad things though. those are fine. that was what i said. i didn’t say anything about making contact. i said walks are better than basehits and you guys read way too much into that statement.
Its about making them put it in play you idiot...
Out happen a high percentage of the time.
its a stupid statement
If you don’t even give your fielders a chance, what is the point. Not every ball put in play goes for a hit.
READ READ READ READ
RaysTheRoof clearly said BASEHIT. That means putting the ball in play and getting at least to first base with no error and no fielders choice. You DO NOT get an out on a base hit. You can preach all you want about giving your fielders a chance, but that is totally IRRELEVANT to the point. By mere definition a basehit means your fielders had no chance.
There's no guarantee that there would've been two hits.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not the point...
Walks are soooo bad because they dont give you a chance to record an out. Throwing strikes does….
What is the point of all these comments? Clearly you are all debating different things. He was talking basehits v walks and you were talking base in play v walks. They are totally different. To compare the two is a joke in itself. Giving up a basehit doesn’t give you a chance to record an out. Obviously I’d rather have a guy that never walks someone than a pitcher that walks people. Of course pitchers should make guys put the ball in play. But to say walks are base hits is false.
Simply put
ball in play > walks
walks > base hit
you don't know it is going to be a base hit
unless they actually have to hit the ball
are two walks better than two basehits? yes or no? just answer that question. don’t start trying to think it is asking more than it is. THAT WAS MY COMMENT. WHY CANT YOU GUYS READ?
Amen. Their response has nothing to do with what you posted. A base hit is obviously worse than a walk because it can move runners an extra base plus it puts pressure on the defense.
Either way
there would be a runner in scoring position. And you can’t assume that the runner would be able to take the extra base. And walks generally = more pitches which leads to a shorter outing. So yes, walks suck.
We're just saving our reading powers for later.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I should leave the site, I do nothing for it.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
SHIT
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Solo HR's arent bad.
But walking 2 guys before a HR is bad
There's no guarantee that there would've been two hits.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So? There no guarantee that they wouldn’t have gone yard either. Theres no guarantee that they wouldn’t have hit the ball to center and caused BJ to blow his achilles out.
You fail to understand the point...
When you force a batter to swing, there is about a 70% chance you get an out if the ball is put in play. When you walk a batter, there is a 0% chance you record an out.
THIS.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And you fail to understand the point that by mere definition a base hit means that there was no out recorded. You are contradicting yourself at every point. At one hand you are saying a base hit and a ball in play is the exact same yet then you say there is a 70 percent chance of an out on a ball in play. That is not possible. You can’t say that a ball in play results in a man at least on first base 100 percent of the time while also saying it results in an out 70 percent of the time. Do you understand that?
no, they don't
its a waste of time to argue with people who think they know everything
I'm done arguing with you.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Base hit =/= ball in play
That’s our entire fucking point. You can’t say “Better than a base hit” because you don’t fucking know if it’s going to be a hit. A ball in play does NOT equal a hit. That’s where this whole argument goes to hell and that’s our problem with the initial comment.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
RJ
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A BASE HIT. A BASE HIT. A BASE HIT. HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT HIT. Do you understand? A BASE HIT. BATTER HITS BALL AND RUNS TO FIRST BASE WITHOUT GETTING AN OUT. That is what a hit is. Do you comprehend?
Look you are saying that we don’t know if a ball in play would result in a hit. Well you don’t know that pitches thrown will result in a walk. Your argument has absolutely no validity. You can’t on one hand look at the past (issued a walk) and then look into the future (the ball in play MIGHT result in a hit). You need the same frame of reference. We are saying given the two results a base hit or a walk a walk is favored. The debate isn’t a walk or maybe a base hit. Or he might get a base hit. It is a base hit. If you want to talk about “maybe” getting a base hit then we should add in the “maybe” of getting a walk.
Well you don’t know that pitches thrown will result in a walk.
He was talking about the two walks he had just given up…
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And he was saying that they were better than giving up a base hit. Which they were. You need the same frame of reference. He clearly said “base hit” not ball in play. You can’t change the definition of a base hit no matter how hard you try. Obviously I’d rather the batter put the ball in play than take a walk. But a hit implies he hit the ball and made it to first base.
I’m sure you know what a hit is. So why are you trying to change the meaning?
Rec'd.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Its all good
Its just a stupid and pointless argument when people are debating two things that aren’t remotely the same.
Everyone understands your point...
It’s just you 2 dont understand what we are saying
He is a nice guy though.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
E-Jax is at it again
Walks, wild pitches, hangers. Sigh.
At least it's Nolasco, we can beat him up.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Marlins announcers need to do better research
Hinske is making like 800k.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Yes...
But if you take out Ramirez, Hinske would be making 10x as much as the entire Marlins roster. So I understand their frustration.
Fair enough.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it when Floyd doubles.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
At this rate, Jax won't make it thru the 5th on pitch counts alone
This is fifth straight struggle start for him.
Longlorious.
Kazmir/Sheets/Shields
Nasty.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine the potential bullpen next year:
Howell/Wheeler/Reid/Salas/Percival
I like.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but I'm talking about next year.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You know it's good when we haven't even talked about Davis
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully a car trunk.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is this pitcher throwing strikes..
He is risking the chance of giving up a hit
His defense isn't even as good as ours.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Facts are funny to you?
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
right because that whole exchange was only about facts
it wasn’t making fun of me or anything.
My statement wasn't making fun of you.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They shouldn't be allowed near Joe/Dewayne's seats.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Ichiro owns.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Or Ibanez.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He's an outlier in terms of BABIP.
So he can maintain a decent OBP
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He loves Moneyball.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we ever going to be allowed to play as many games as Boston?
Or are they going to have 3 games more than us the rest of the freaking season?
Boston pounding Cincy..
Crisp, Drew and Ellsbury with HR’s.
Ellsbury is amazing.. 33 SB’s.
Longlorious.
Would've been nice to sign him.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We should only sign stars.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
id take ellsbury
although they both have “damon” arms
Jacoby's OPS is .1 points higher than Carl's this year.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
RANGE...FACTOR?
+1 Marlins announcer.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Because he has filthy stuff..
His peripherals arent too bad this year if I recall
Didn't get a BP subscription this year. I like BaseballHQ a little better.
How is CC’s VORP this season? I’d be interested to see where he ranks
Check out Gross WARP1 v. Griffey's.
.9 Gross
.5 Griff
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
His smile is worth 3.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Ignorance really is bliss.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Gardener
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Has to be.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate these announcers.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
And now they mention Griffey.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
We need more smiles.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Rabelo wasn't the headliner?
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Would've been out of this inning if not for Aki's slow reaction.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Last December.
I went the free e-book route.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like the file holder's link expired.
I’ll have to re-upload it later if you really want it.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what? Fuck it.
DFA Jackson. Niemman, Talbot, Hammel, I don’t give a fuck. Get him out of here.
Why is that stupidity
he hasn’t done shit since the first month of the season. Get him the fuck out of here.
lets dfa a guy we could get some prospects for. brilliant.
esp when we don’t have any better options
anyone who would give up prospects for him
needs to be fired. He doesn’t have the demeanor to be a major league starter.
disagree
he’s 24 years old and has major league caliber stuff and has only started in the MLs for 1 full year. you need to have patience. lots of gms would be willing to give up something to get him.
Minaya, Bavasi, Sabean...
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
no reason to think any of those guys would do better than jackson
well they can’t be much worse
DFA isn't the way to go.
Just deal him to the Mariners for Clement and RRS.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if this plays over to other aspects of his life.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Edwin's ERA is now 4.46
Regression to the mean is raping the crap out of him.
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What?
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
11 mil
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Better waste of money than Griffey though.
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Tease.
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
...
...
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope.
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Also the fact how you bash ERA when it doesn’t suit your argument then you throw it in there when it does. Thats all. Yes Beckett is obviously better than Jackson. Although Beckett is highly overrated. He is not an ace. A few games in the postseason is too small of a sample size to trump his regular season stats.
I'm not using that as my argument.
His FIP has been higher than Sonny, his periphs are awful, and he’s been lucky.
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They're both decent at being 4th and 5th starters.
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Either way you only have to put up with Jackson for a couple more months and I only have to put up with Sonny for a couple more months.
Well I have no idea if its a trade. But we have quite a few talented minor leaguers…There is no chance Sonny or Jackson can hold off McGee, Davis or Price. Then we have the other guys with more potential than Sonny and a better make up than Jackson.
Just say better than.
“Make up” is not what’s wrong with Edwin.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
There is almost zero chance...
McGee starts next season in the Bigs. Davis would be a long shot in my mind to start the season in St Pete.
Bartlett must hate the Marlins.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Sunglasses in right.
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I was expecting a .gif.
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Balfour's still on the team?
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You don't do sarcasm, methinks.
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Reverse reverse sarcasm.
You sure?
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
We are still in this game.
Need a couple this inning, but we still have a shot.
Nolasco is not this good.
I’m pissed off, because it seems like all the supposed sports-oriented places in my area have corporate DirecTV accounts out-of-state with no baseball package, meaning the game’s blacked out everywhere.
Damn it, come back on this. It’s broom time. One bad inning and a sojourn into the bullpen is all we need.
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Watching the Marlins broadcast has made this experience much, much worse.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Aybar
He was hot, but it is close to time to get off that train.
Why?
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Um
Outside of his HR/FB% everything is right where it should be given his career and expected ranges.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was obvious that.....
I was talking about his recent hot stretch.
Most people aren't so temperamental to judge off a run of games...
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That didn't take long to get out
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There "I don't smoke" commercials are so amateur
Except for Gonzo’s.
I like ours better.
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My God Balfour is smoking.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Constantly getting into 1-2 counts.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Strikthree
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Great, Edwin's back.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
No.
McClung for Balfour, Cantu for Medlock/Shackelford.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You can stop throwing balls now.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
2 IP 1 BB 4 K?
I’ll take it.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Probably.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF are you doing Cliff?
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I had forgotten all about Josh Johnson.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Nolasco Ks 10 against us. :|
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
These dudes are assholes
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They think they're being funny, sadly.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This may be the worst we've looked at the plate all year.
Nolasco career high K’s.
Someone sick Kalas on these Marlin bastards.
Longlorious.
11...
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaz v. Zambrano is going to be sick.
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Watch Zambrano get it now
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by Orlando Rays on Jun 15, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we have to play the 9th?
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Glover's up!
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by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
DP
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And why did we bring Glover in?
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LOL @ calling Gross "Hinske"
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Hinske would've gotten it
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by Orlando Rays on Jun 15, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that's it. Glover has spoiled my last vestige of patience.
Demote him plskthxbai.
B Rad the Ray Fan
What the fuck @ the Griffey comment?
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Gross called for the ball.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Then both fail.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah dammit, it's Sonny/Zambrano, not Kaz/Z. Thanks Collette.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
Kazmir
with the 2 days off since his start, can’t they choose when they pitch him? if its Sonny/Dempster and Kazmir/Zambrano we have a realistic shot at both games. but with Sonny vs Zambrano we might as well count the L
ok
why is Nolasco going to start an inning with 111 pitches already?
Whatever, he will probably strike out the side.
moral victory
Made Nolasco look like Johan Santana but at least we didn’t let him get that a CG.
now Wade Davis to AAA, Price and Hellickson to AA plz. I hate that the phenoms seem so far away.
Valid point
And I don’t think McGee should go to AAA, nor do I think we should see Hellickson should see AAA this season. However, I think Davis and Price would probably be just as realiable as Sonny and Jackson anyway.
ok, we won the series, lets take care of the cubs.
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