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THE GOOD, THE BAD, THE UGLY!

THE GOOD:

A 46-31 record.     Winning on the road.    Evan Longoria pushing for R.O.Y. with outer limits HR's   Pena on his way back to the line up.  An oh so strong farm system.  Money to spend if a FA player is needed.   Not having Shawn Camp in the BP.    Players smiling in Tampa Bay.   As Drew Carey stated in 1995 when the Indians went on to go 100-44 in a strike shortened season, "we don't suck anymore."     Aki's sole error.     C.C.'s pluto shots last night.     Shields finding a way to win for the 1st time in 8 starts.      Dioneer Navarro? Bless you my son, I was down on the pudgeball coming into this season (you were too, no comments).     JP Howell, come on! Ditto for JP.   ME.    The possibility of a new stadium.   David Price (he will be a stud pitcher), so keep on keep'n on.     Kaz, he's just got filthy stuff!     The BP, (how many more games would the Devil Rays have won last season with this pen?).       Percival's closing games.    Rocco's health may be takinh a turn for the better.   Feel free to add more of you'd like.

 

 

THE BAD:

 

Boston is still in 1st place.     Yanks are on our heels!     Percies Hammy.    Reyes on the DL.     Joe Maddens glasses.     That's all I'll list. Life is good!

 

 

THE UGLY:

 

 

                                                       

 

Need I say more? How'd ya like to wake up with a mug like that?      Whew!

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Jorgie has our RBI record at one point, but the dude plays on a 3 foot leash in the field

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 26, 2008 11:42 AM EDT   0 recs

*has=had

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 26, 2008 11:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Percy's saves should fall under ugly

They aren’t bad because we actually did “win” the game but they certainly aren’t good either.

Maddon’s glasses are Good!

Yanks on our heels is Good as well! Let ‘em stay right there – behind us.

by stpetelawyer on Jun 26, 2008 1:36 PM EDT   0 recs

I don't want to sound gay or anything....

But our starting squad is pretty good looking.

I think my girlfriend is gonna leave me and just rape Longoria….Seriously

Mound Visit

by Mound Visit on Jun 26, 2008 1:37 PM EDT   0 recs

MINE TOO!

That’s so odd you say that about Longo. I’m pretty sure she called me Evan the other night.

I also know what you’re saying about our starting squad. I mean think about it – a bottle of wine, some Coldplay on the CD player, a little cheese tray… and Dioner Navarro in a pair of hotpants! Be still my beating heart…

by stpetelawyer on Jun 26, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bad -

Maddon’s pitcher decisions

by LeftRight on Jun 26, 2008 3:52 PM EDT   0 recs

You really

do not have a clue about Maddon.

by bobr on Jun 26, 2008 4:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Dear Joe Maddon,

Unlike last year, where everyone in your bullpen would proceed to walk a batter, this year you have a handful of reliable arms that can produce outs. When your pitcher walks four in one inning of work, it’s usually time to pull him, despite whatever respect you may have for him. Please, please you’ve done a very nice job this year, don’t risk a lead by letting Percival possibly kill himself just to maintain his reputation for being tough.

by LeftRight on Jun 26, 2008 5:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

NO! It's unacceptable

I mean, his horrible managing cost us the game!

Oh wait…we still won? That’s what we are complaining about, a close win? Wow, things must be pretty good when that’s our biggest problem.

Maddon for Manager of the Year!

by stpetelawyer on Jun 26, 2008 6:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

For once RJ, I 100% agree with you

Madden has done an excellent managerial job this season. I give him kudos for his patience where others would have pulled the plug. While I was all for Merlot Joe giving Troy the o’l Capt. Hook, the guy got the job done. Perciaval always seems to get the job done and Madden knew he’d find away to win. I fully support his decision to leave Percival in to get the save. That took balls!

To respond to the above comments about Evan Almighty, the li’l woman also is infatuated with the lug. As long as he keeps hitting and throwing the gold glove around at 3B, it’s all good.

by John 63 on Jun 26, 2008 6:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

it would have made sense to pull Percival. But that does not mean it was wrong not to. It simply means that there was another reasonable option.

While I think Maddon tends to be more bold than many more traditional managers, he still is somewhat bound by convention, and one of those is to rely on the designated closer no matter the performance. I do not like that approach, but the fact is that chances are 30 of the 30 managers would have done the same thing.

As a matter of fact, looking at the overall body of work, he has handled the bullpen very well, pulling pitchers like Sonnanstine at the appropriate times, giving relievers proper rest, moving decisively on pitchers like Glover to get them out of high leverage situations, stretching his relievers rather than wildly replacing them at the first sign of trouble, establishing roles for them in which they can excel, moving successful ones like Balfour into increasingly vital roles and more. He has also had confidence in Shields, Jackson and Garza so that he allows them to work out of early trouble and been rewarded by longer outings than might have been.

by bobr on Jun 26, 2008 6:21 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm not sure if you saw Manny Acta's quote, but I would like to think Maddon follows along with his train of thought

http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7715

“I’m sure when I was younger I would have dropped a couple of f-bombs and got thrown out of a few games by now,” Acta said. “I’ve come to realize, though, that getting kicked out of a game or tearing up the clubhouse isn’t going to make your team better. It has nothing at all to do with performance on the field.”

“It’s the best book I’ve ever read, and it really changed the way I look at the game and the way I manage,” said Acta, the New York Mets’ bench coach when Mind Game was published. “It helped me understand the history of the Red Sox, and it really helped me understand that there are logical reasons for everything that happens in baseball, that there aren’t things like the Curse of the Bambino.

“A lot of the things I read in there, such as how stolen bases only help you in certain situations, and how you should really only sacrifice bunt when the game is on the line, I use as a manager. And the most important thing that I learned is the need to think things out instead of making decisions by emotion.”

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 26, 2008 6:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Look - I am coming around on Maddon

which is alot to say after watching in pain all last year at his decisions. There is no way to quantify what he has done for the clubhouse and the confidence of our crew altogether. And maybe its just me being picky, but I (personally) don’t like most of his moves in tight situations. I cant sit here and list them out, but one that comes to mind that worked in his favor was leaving Howell in against Pujols, after Fat Albert put one in the upper deck on him the night before. Did it work out? Yes. Did it make ME cringe? yes. Maybe it didnt make you cringe, but frankly I really don’t care. And maybe most of his decisions were tied to the control from the front office last year, but obviously he has been set free this year. I can’t complain with the results, but the fact that he is high on the list for MOY, just makes me smile.

by LeftRight on Jun 26, 2008 6:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mad Dog has confidence in his guys.

More importantly he must make them feel confident in themselves. Leaving Howell in there against Pujols treats him like a man and lets him atone for a mistake. Joe understands psychology very well. The Percy situation shows that. If so many guys look up to Percy and Joe shows that he doesn’t trust the man then where are the other pitchers left? False idols and such. He has done an outstanding job and here’s another guy who thinks so. Link
About half-way down should do ya.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 26, 2008 10:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maddon has made one major error that I recall

That was leaving Bartlett in to hit vs Valverde after Navi cut the lead to one. That was a horrid move. But he learned his lesson the following night pinch hitting 3 guys in a row (including Bartlett).

by matthan on Jun 27, 2008 12:07 AM EDT   0 recs

about maddon

I don’t think he bunts enough in situations when he should bunt. i.e. runners on first and second noone out with aki at the plate up by a run, aybar single to left after aki pops out, noone scores ball was hit too hard. there has been a few more instances that have been costly but thats the only one i remember. i mean i love the big inning more than anyone but in the bigs u gotta take it when u can get it.. we lost that game by a run. don’t get me wrong I LOVE JOE! just play a little more small ball regardless of what park you are playing in….

by longoria3 on Jun 27, 2008 12:57 AM EDT   0 recs

Actually

that is one of the traits I like about Maddon. I think the Rays are last, or near the bottom of the league, in sacrifice bunts, and that is just fine with me.

Perhaps that is an example of my point that the critique is not so much about right and wrong as it is about preferences. For every instance that you can note that a sac bunt was not used and no runs resulted, I can find one in which it was and no run resulted. Each of us is assuming something else would have happened had our preference been implemented, but of course, we really have no idea what would have happened.

by bobr on Jun 27, 2008 6:24 AM EDT   0 recs

While that is obviously true

I think the difference is clearly when you sac bunt you are playing for 1 run whereas when you swing away you are going for the big inning. Both methods should be utilized given the circumstances. There have been a few times where the Rays have been down 1 late in the game (especially against good bullpens) and we had a man on first with nobody out. Yet we did not bunt. That just isn’t good baseball. Against a good pitcher to truly expect to get 3 hits in an inning is very optimistic if not unreasonable.

Although I am perfectly content with trying to steal instead of bunt. Either way when we are down 1 late in the game the goal should be tie the game up. That should be priority number 1. Anything after that is gravy.

by matthan on Jun 27, 2008 9:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I reiterate

that just because a team is down by a run late in the game with a runner on, it does not mean a sac bunt is the best play. There are times when it makes sense. Depending on the batter, the batting order and the runner, I can see it in a tie game, 9th inning with a runner on second. There are other situations as well when it makes sense.

But it is perfectly good baseball not to bunt in the situation you described, at least given the minimum information you provided. The odds of scoring one run do go up slightly with a man on 2nd and 1 out-that assumes of course that the bunt works which is not a given-than with a runner on 1st and no outs, but there are many other factors at work in that situation and to be so dogmatic that it “isn’t good baseball” simply is invalid.

In fact, to give up a precious out against a good pitcher could be seen as squandering your most valuable and limited resource. The object may first be to tie up the game, but the sac bunt is not necessarily the best way to accomplish that.

by bobr on Jun 27, 2008 12:13 PM EDT   0 recs

The less bunts and intentional walks, the better.

Longlorious.

by RATW on Jun 27, 2008 3:59 PM EDT   0 recs

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