Pena to DL
"Rays first baseman Carlos Pena was placed on the 15-day disabled list with a fractured left index finger."
Ruggiano was recalled to take his place.
about 1 year ago
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Well, this sucks.
Ruggiano better play this time up, otherwise we could’ve placed Dan Johnson on the roster and had him take over at first.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the call-up of Ruggiano because this should mean Hinske taking 1B and more playing time for Gross, probably a strict platoon with Ruggiano. Since the Rays are unable to find consistent playing time for Hinske, Floyd, and Gross all at once with the normal configuration this allows them to do so for a bit; bringing up Johnson would just muddle things further.
by Jim Wisinski on Jun 4, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, he breaks his finger, then proceeds to double and homer in his next two ABs? And we put him on the DL?
Where’s Jonny Gomes? I’ve got a hammer I’d like to use to shake his hand with.
by kericr on Jun 4, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jonny Gomes can break concrete with his bare hands.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This hurts some. I know Pena has gotten a lot of crap from some for his offense this season but he still has a .272 EqA (MLB average for 1B is .278) thanks to his patience and power. Combined with good defense at first and whatever credit you think intangibles deserve and he was probably a player of average production despite the very low BA. The only positive is that maybe this time off can give him a break to get his swing totally back in line, it looked like he had fixed it all last week but then had a string of terrible games. Hopefully he’ll be productive again on a more permanent basis once he’s back.
by Jim Wisinski on Jun 4, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not on Pena's glove hand.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is Festival Latino
Without Pena? Somewhere Gilberto Santa Rosa weeps.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which
I have free field passes for that concert for whoever wants them. Just email me your address.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man are we going to miss his glove at first, he could really pick it over there,
the man has saved at least 5-10 errors just by himself. this is bad news for us. CC better heal up quick, and Pena better be ready in 15 days.
by davidsmarch on Jun 4, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On a side issue
Now he can FINALLY heal his hamstring as well. Gonna miss his defense, though…
by JMB on Jun 4, 2008 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess Dan Johnson is feeling silly right about now for accepting assignment to Durham.
If he isn’t going to get the call to replace Pena, he better hope for a trade or release.
Longlorious.
by RATW on Jun 4, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, definitely sucks for him
Though it probably sucks more to be John Rodriguez,
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodriguez is not playing all that well in Durham to deserve a promotion.
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he hit well against MLB pitching in ST
and has shown the ability to hit at the big league level. I value that more than what he;s done in 85 AB’s at Durham.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't always translate well into the majors.
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
I guess you’re talling about the ST AB’s. I think his 300+ MLB AB’s say a lot about how he could hit in a platoon role in the bigs.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Rodriguez got cut I believe
Tools Whore
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by Tyler on Jun 4, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
Jeremy Owens did, he’s playing for an Atlantic League team.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://heraldsun.southernheadlines.com/sports/durhambulls/43-955440.cfm?
He got cut 2 days ago
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by Tyler on Jun 4, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, missed that.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate RR sites
and will just take your word for it. I hope he catches on somewhere. I don’t like it when guys show the ability to hit MLB pitching and can’t get a job in spite of it (insert Bonds/Lofton joke here)
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carl Everett agrees.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willy Mays as a Replacement for Pena
Willy Mays Aikens that is. He’d be able to replace some of the chemistry lost in the dugout while Pena is on the DL.
by kericr on Jun 4, 2008 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sit CC
and bring up Johnson.
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How the hell do you get a double and a HR
then get placed on the 15 day DL?
wow.,
by Cory Alexander on Jun 4, 2008 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because its easier to grip a bat in pain than to grip a bat with a swollen hand?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a rainy ugly day in Boston.
Mr. Sunshine started to cry. So they put Mr. Sunshine on the DL.
“Where is the sun today?” Carlos said in a cold voice.
“It’s okay Carlos, they’ll be back” Joe spoke kindly as he gave Carlos a pat on the back.
“I don’t want to play if the sun is not out. I want to go on the DL so then, maybe, I will see sunny skies.”
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOUNDS LIKE THE HBP FIXED SOMETHING RATHER THAN HURT SOMETHING
Don’t you concentrate more with pain, amybe this was good for Pena, shoulda kept him from the DL.. Hinske should be full time 1b and Ruggiano should be full time RF end of discussion. Then when Pena returns, trade Hinske or Gomes
by Hazleton Jason on Jun 4, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gabe Gross doesn't like you either.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good I hate him
Gross has been an adequate 4th OF, but he isn’t starter material, and we won’t know if Ruggiano is unless he gets some AB’s and we can see if he can play defense…
Gross shouldn’t even be here, but I kicked that dead horse a lot long ago…
by Hazleton Jason on Jun 4, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Gross is exactly what they acquired him to be?
Amazing.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU STILL DON'T GIVE UP A 2ND ROUND DRAFT PICK
for a 4th outfielder… Don’t we have enough of those with Hinske and Gomes?
by Hazleton Jason on Jun 4, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Rays saw Josh Butler as a second round pick anymore.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if we're going that route...
We traded a 2nd rd pick in his second year of A ball for a 1st rd pick with ML experience.
It really wasn’t a bad deal.
by Vin on Jun 4, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Gross
Whoever the BP writer was that wrote his profile in 2005 I believe it was nailed it. Paraphrasing: “A creative NL team that could use him in double switches could certainly find value in him.”
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see Josh Butler
as a second round pick when he was drafted
Tools Whore
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by Tyler on Jun 4, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tools whore.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has tools
but only for half a season. Then he stops throwing hard and his pitches stop moving.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jun 4, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where were you when the pitch stopped moving...
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously running
onto the field
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jun 4, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random question for Tools Whore.
Price or Porcello, who would you pick today?
Longlorious.
by RATW on Jun 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
possibly...
I just feel you should get more…
Agreed that Ruggi should get a “real” shot tho right?
by Hazleton Jason on Jun 4, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been a Ruggiano fan since the moment we dealt for him.
So yes, I’d like to see him get some burn.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think anyone will disagree with you there.
by Vin on Jun 4, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do we doth Gomes?
We have 5 or so OF now and no real 1b other than Hinske who kinda is a 1b… Maybe DJ should get a look
by Hazleton Jason on Jun 4, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomes is disappointing.
By all means he could be our Manny, but he hasn’t played well enough that his defense is acceptable.
If Ruggiano gets a real chance I think Gomes could be gone.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about a clubhouse backlash
Dumping the ultimate team player for a guy who’s a total dick…
Ouch…
...I’d do it too.
by Vin on Jun 4, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddon hinted at it.
I just wish our dick would be Barry Lamar Bonds.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you ERASE your memory of Barry Bonds
He is dead. Gone, done. Void. Finished.
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NEVER
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to find the quote
But just a few weeks ago he said something about how you have to think about chemistry, but keep in mind that everyone wants to get better. Re: roster moves.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruggiano is a dick?
I keep on hearing that? Is this true?
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s apparently why he hasn’t gotten a real chance.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A poor man's delmon young?
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd probably outhit Delmon right now...
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Young doubled his double total a couple days ago
I saw that he had 3 2b’s in one game against the Yanks.
by Cory Alexander on Jun 4, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love gomes as a bench guy
but he is the type of player that is streaky, he needs ABs to work out of funks and to stay on hot streaks.
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point I would be in favor of...
optioning Gomes back to Durham and getting D Johnson up here to play 1b, and see what we have…
by Hazleton Jason on Jun 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomes has no options
Dan Johnson is way too left handed.
by Vin on Jun 4, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you sure Gomes has no options???
I thought he had one more…
by Hazleton Jason on Jun 4, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm that changes it a little
Still like DJ though
by Hazleton Jason on Jun 4, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like 'em all you want
We still have too many LH bats for him to get any kind of shot.
by Vin on Jun 4, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson has no options
So calling him up means he has to stay.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJ? Desmond Jennings?
Hes in High A ball, hell no
by Cory Alexander on Jun 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Johnson methinks
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh.
Well can we only refer to DJ as Desmond? That’s always how I’ve known em
by Cory Alexander on Jun 4, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
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BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jun 4, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DaJon.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hands down, I agree
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually
starting to come around on Gross. Glad to see he’s getting more playing time.
Also, for a guy who can’t hit lefties worth a damn, he certainly has a level enough swing to have at least some measure of success against them. Or at least thats what I’ve gathered from the few AB’s versus LHP I’ve seen thus far.
by Vin on Jun 4, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Gross is growing on me.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jun 4, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gross is a fine 4th OF...
I love his arm. My wife loves his southern accent.
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you guys should ask Tim Tebow
He ran all over, and passed all over FSU with a broken hand last fall.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow is not human,
That’s just common knowledge
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Him and Longoria are amazing.
by Cory Alexander on Jun 4, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Tebow wears Evan Longoria Pajamas
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow is Brian Boitano 2.0
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Tebow is the best damn FB I've ever seen.
by P Brady on Jun 4, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should be a TE in the NFL...
I don’t see him as a QB
In the name of Sinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was 2nd in passing efficiency in the nation....
Better than Matt Ryan, who people call a franchise QB
by Cory Alexander on Jun 4, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his 25+ passing TD's would like to disagree with you on that FB label
by Cory Alexander on Jun 4, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not the best player on his own team
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jun 4, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't mean
he’s not the best player on the team.
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Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jun 4, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does when you consider all the games/quarters he's missed the past 2 years
Plus his receiver skills are lacking. He can’t beat out a good CB on a jump ball
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree
If you saw the ball he beat out for a 50 yrd gain on a UT CB, you would agree with me. He has no problem beating out CB’s
by Cory Alexander on Jun 4, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was there at every game last year
And the only deep balls Harvin typically catches are fade routes. Thats not to say he doesn’t have the ability to turn a 5 yard slant into a 50 yard gain. But he’s not going over the middle anytime soon.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, he's 6 feet, what do you think he's going to do
by Cory Alexander on Jun 4, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you're going to look at one physical attribute
(Speed), and immediately use that lone attribute to say someone is the best player on their team, you have to be willing to discuss their physical limitations when evaluating their talents as well, no?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My comments about Harvin
Were really more geared towards the “Tebow isnt the best player on his own team”. I like Harvin, and find him more exciting to watch than Tebow when he has the ball, but do not consider him the best player on his team.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Percy Harvin
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
If you like football players that break down and miss at least 3 games a year
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not the fastest, but definitely the best
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harvin is not even the fastest on UF
by Cory Alexander on Jun 4, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my comment was in regards to Tebow
Tebow = not the fastest, definitely the best
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got gamespeed
though. Chris Rainey is the fastest player on the team, but he’s not in the same stratosphere as Harvin.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jun 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't know that
Chris Rainey hasn’t even started on UF. He was a medical redshirt last year
by Cory Alexander on Jun 4, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do know that
I’ve seen game film on both of them. I’m sorry, I know it’s good to be Chris Rainey, but he doesn’t make him Percy Harvin.
Chris Rainey isn’t Noel Devine either and he’s faster than him.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jun 4, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tools whore...
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jun 4, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skinner=Stud
I love Wake Forest
by Hazleton Jason on Jun 4, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Johnson should be called up
This is rediculous
He deserves a shot at the bigs I think his stats have earned it at this point. And Pena should keep playing considering what he did after he was hit. Maybe it fixed his swing.
Devil Rays World Series 2009
by Japhei on Jun 4, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Johnson not having any options means once Pena returns he'd have to be DFA again.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Floyd were to go down again
I bet you’d see Johnson then…
by Hazleton Jason on Jun 4, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not tempt fate
Losing Pena is going to be bad enough.
PS: Can it be game thread tiem nowz?
by JMB on Jun 4, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game thread up.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, then we'd acquire Gabe Gross
But seriously, if the options thing is why he wasn’t recalled, then why even keep him around if we’re not going to use him when a regular goes on the DL? Are they hoping to deal him at the deadline? Won’t promote him unless there is a season-ending injury?
Longlorious.
by RATW on Jun 4, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deal Hinske first, replace him with carbon copy?
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
They seem to be overly conscious at protecting organizational depth, if that is possible. The most likely scenario in which we’d lose DJ is if we called him up and he performed well, a problem I wouldn’t mind having.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 4, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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