6/5: News & Notes
CRISP SLIDE:
The lasting story to come out of last night's 5-1 loss to Boston was the eighth inning slide by Red Sox OF Coco Crisp into 2B Akinori Iwamura, and Rays Manager Joe Maddon's resulting shouting match with Crisp. The Tribune's Marc Lancaster sets up the situation, and covers the aftermath:
Crisp told reporters he was upset because of an earlier play, a sixth-inning stolen base on which he jammed his left thumb when shortstop Jason Bartlett's knee blocked the bag. Crisp said he thought Bartlett's maneuver was "shady," and he warned the Rays shortstop that he would see him again.
Instead, Crisp saw Iwamura covering second two innings later. Crisp was thrown out by catcher Dioner Navarro, but the slide came late and Crisp's elbow connected with Iwamura's midsection as the two collided.
Crisp was unrepentant. His only regret seemed to be that Bartlett wasn't the one covering the bag the second time around.
"If you're going to do something like that, cover the bag and take your own licking," Crisp said. "I'll take mine."
The slide provoked Maddon to yell at Crisp from the mound as he was making a pitching change in that same inning. Maddon used choice words in explaining that he felt there was intent to injure Iwamura, and that it was unacceptable. It will be interesting to see how this matter manifests itself in the rubber game of the series this evening.
NEW STADIUM:
Couple of tidbits on the Rays' proposal to build a $450 million waterfront stadium on the site of Al Lang Field. The St. Petersburg City Council is to cast the first of three votes today on whether to schedule the Rays' referendum for the November ballot. The vote will take place in the Council chambers, and ballpark discussion is scheduled to begin precisely at 1:15pm. Public comment will not take place unless so solicited by the Council, and that is unlikely given the six months of vitriol that has been tossed around already.
As for the vote, the only Council members to explicitly state how they will vote are Jamie Bennett and Bill Dudley, both of whom say they will vote 'yes'. Herb Polson, having already indicated his opposition to the proposal, is expected to vote no. The St. Petersburg City Council has eight members, five of which must vote in the affirmative to keep the process alive. If in any one of the three votes council members in favor fail to number five, the process is dead and the proposal will not make the November ballot. Aaron Sharockman of the St. Petersburg Times prognosticates that the proposal will advance by a 6-2 majority tomorrow afternoon.
Meanwhile, another council member intends upon introducing a counter-referendum to the Rays' proposal today. Karl Nurse's proposal, initiated by former Council member and POWW member Virginia Littrell, would limit development on the site of Al Lang Field to present levels, thus preventing projects the size of the Rays' proposed waterfront stadium from going up. In the event that both proposals were to make the ballot and receive majority votes, Nurse indicated the one with the greater percentage of the vote in favor would go into effect.
MLB DRAFT:
The 2008 MLB Draft is this afternoon, with coverage starting at 2pm on ESPN2. The Rays, with the No. 1 overall selection, will make their pick at that time. Don't forget that DRaysBay's Draft Thread opens up tomorrow at noon, and will be continuously updated throughout the day to reflect the maneuverings of the team.
To get ready for the draft, Rays Index looked back yesterday at the performances thus far of the first ten Rays selections, as well as the best alternative the Rays passed up. Also, the Tampa Tribune solicited Scouting Director R.J. Harrison's evaluation of the two players the Rays are considering selecting with the No. 1 overall pick, C Buster Posey of Florida State and Georgia High School SS Tim Beckham.
INJURIES:
OF Rocco Baldelli again played as the Designated Hitter in the Rays' Extended Spring Training game on Wednesday, going 2 for 3 with a walk. The game was Baldelli's third in Extended ST. Baldelli will be the Designated Hitter in three more Extended ST games, on Friday, Sunday, and Wednesday. After that, the team will decide whether he should be dispatched on a minor league rehab assignment.
Also, RHP Troy Percival threw 26 pitches in his first bullpen session since being placed on the Disabled List last Wednesday following a left hamstring strain.
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I agree with ballpark proponents on the counter-initiative
It’s a scam to confuse voters, right out of Jeb Bush’s playbook for killing Florida High Speed Rail. I never did forgive him for that one.
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by Orlando Rays on Jun 5, 2008 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's an obfuscation tactic
You’re absolutely right, and it’s only purpose is to confuse the voters and sucker in those who cannot actually comprehend the ballot language. At this point in time, it is a redundant initiative. If the Rays plan fails, the voters will have said no to waterfront development. Then, in 2010, you can try and introduce the same think to put the kibosh on future plans, but putting this on the ballot now, at the same time, is ridiculous.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jun 5, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baldelli....
This could quietly become a huge story…
It would be pretty darn cool to have Rocco back in RF this season, I am not getting too happy over it, just would be a neat story. I wonder if he would re-sign here cheap if he was to get over this illness…
by Hazleton Jason on Jun 5, 2008 8:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's still a long way from being back
But it would be nice to see him back and functionally able to play again. I swore that he would never take the field in a Rays uniform when this injury came down, and I still think it’s unlikely, but you’re right, it would be a hell of a comeback if he did. The thing is, I don’t know where we’d slot him in. Who does he replace, and in what capacity would he play?
I’m guessing that the organization will make an effort to re-sign him, and he seems receptive to staying, so hopefully he comes back and continues progressing here in 2009.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jun 5, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight is a salvage game, not a rubber game
9 = 8
by websterjtc on Jun 5, 2008 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Coco Crisp
To be honest, nothing would make a bigger statement toward the Red Sox than a sound win tonight. That being said, considering the emotional temperment of the last two games with Garza, Upton, Maddon, etc, I fully expect James Shields to not last past the 3rd after he tries to decapitate Crisp.
by kericr on Jun 5, 2008 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Crisp doesn't get plunked tonight
I’m going to be pissed. It shouldn’t be Shields though, we need him. It should be with Glover in the 7th.
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by SeanDubbs on Jun 5, 2008 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't think that's helpful
We need to let the scoreboard do the talking. I’m sick and tired of getting into these pissing matches with the Red Sox, they’re not meaningful and they are not helpful. Crisp is an idiot, but I don’t want to see a continual game of retribution from each side because there is the strong potential for someone to get hurt. The risks just aren’t worth it. Maddon got his message across last night verbally, and that’s just fine.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jun 5, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
You have to stand up for your players. The Sawx don’t have a She-Dunc that doesn’t understand retribution. Tito will understand CoCo getting plunked and it should end there. The slide was so bad that even Rick Sutcliffe was up in arms. Plunk his punk-ass.
by rglass44 on Jun 5, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sutcliffe is an idiot
He didn’t even think that right or wrong there might be a reason for the slide.
Don’t put your knee down at second. And if you do, don’t whine about what happens later.
by gs on Jun 5, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But where does it end?
Maddon sent the message across that it was unacceptable, and he showed a lot of guts by calling Crisp out in his dugout, on the road, and on National TV. That’s ballsy, and the Sox have to respect that. I trust nothing like this will happen again, and if it does, retribution should be handled by Major League baseball. We’re not some two bit 67-95 team anymore, we’re contenders, and I don’t want to lose personnel to some stupid bean-ball war with a team that has proven themselves to be petty and classless.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jun 5, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree as well,
If your team needs a reality check, if they need to feel disrespected again, if they need that chip on their shoulder put back, a reminder that people still don’t take them seriously, that the big boys still don’t respect them as they should, that despite all their success, they can not sit back, get complacent, and assume that other teams and umpires will treat them with the same reverence that other teams get; there’s no better way to remind players of that, get them fired up, get that “disrespected” mindset that works so well for some teams back, then to get a player tossed…
by davidsmarch on Jun 5, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The problem I have with the way we “stand up” for our players is in the end, we always seem to end up with another loss. Remember the game where Pedro Martinez plunked Gerard Williams and Williams charged the mound? What we got in return was a one-hitter by Pedro with 13Ks and an 8-0 embarassing blowout while we kept throwing at their hitters and running another new pitcher out every other batter since we kept getting our guys tossed.
Win the game first, then we can act like hardasses.
by kericr on Jun 5, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Shields is better than that
But we do need to thoroughly kick their asses. This may be the true turning point of the season here. The point where we show the skeptics that we’re for real.
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by Orlando Rays on Jun 5, 2008 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Shields pitches a gem
and Aki goes yard over Coco’s head.
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by SRQman on Jun 5, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calls at Home
I thought Maddon should have spoken up to the home plate ump early in the game. It looked to me that Becket kept getting strikes (and strikeouts) called that were off the plate (toward the first base side). It looked that Ejaxs’ same pitches were being called balls.
I’m sure my perspective was skewed, but I know those boston fans are rowdy, and I think it affects the umps in fenway more than other parks.
Even if he get’s kicked out for arguing balls and strikes, he saves Upton from doing the same thing, and shows that he has their back.
by pcbredemeier on Jun 5, 2008 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs























