7/10: RAYS (55-35) at CLE (37-53)
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
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Tampa Bay Rays at Cleveland Indians, Jul 10, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
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Pitching Matchup:
| IP | ERA | + | K/9 | BB/9 | K/BB | HR/9 | OPS | WHIP | G/F | P/IP | ||
| RAYS | RH A. Sonnanst. |
108.2 | 4.31 |
95 | 5.71 | 1.66 | 3.45 | 0.66 | .772 | 1.35 | 1.16 | 15.12 |
| CLE | LH A. Laffey |
80.0 | 3.49 |
120 | 4.05 | 2.70 | 1.50 | 0.79 | .701 | 1.28 | 1.60 | 15.49 |
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GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cleveland without Chuck E. Cheese
hmmmm….
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
by Orlando Rays on Jul 10, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MVP: The bearded wonder on the mound
Blake
USF--Class of '09
by usfraysfan on Jul 10, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Laffey's #'s look like Ponson's
Lots of grounders, low strikeout rate, doesn’t walk too many.
Hit ‘em where they ain’t boys – like over the fence!
by Jason Collette on Jul 10, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MVP: Gomes
He’s bound to get a hit sometime.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I now guarantee he gets at least one hit.
If I’m wrong, let God strike down SaberToothedPie.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomes plz get a hit
plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SRQ doesn't want me to get struck down!
by P Brady on Jul 10, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can't lose a fan
and I don’t want anything to make this day sad. :)
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he goes down I'm trading you for his replacement.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomes better get a fucking hit
I don’t wanna be traded. Where would I end up?
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
@#%#@$^%#@$
GOMES GET A HIT#$@$!
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather him wind up in the other league.
Bleed Cubbie Blue it is.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will retire....
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Jim Riggleman is somewhat awesome.
"The manager’s got to be able to make a lineup out without feeling somebody’s going to be unhappy,’’ he said, "If we sat Willie Bloomquist and he was unhappy, we could handle it. But if one of your big boys is down in the dumps, that can take others down.’‘
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question..........
Do Rays fans consider this series a success if we fail to sweep the Indians?
by Acadien on Jul 10, 2008 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3/4 is a success to me.
We face two lefties, bound to drop one.
by P Brady on Jul 10, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I would say that anything less than three of four is a failure, simply because that total would give us a break-even road trip.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willie Hays? Ricky Vaughan? Mitchell Friedman??
by stpetelawyer on Jul 10, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roger Dorn? Jake Taylor?
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
by Orlando Rays on Jul 10, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MVP = Our newest All Star
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
alright
I am only asking 1 thing, can we not make Laffey look like Cy Young?
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Watch Laffey shut us down
but we light Lee up
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha on MLB trade rumors
It simply says “no one wants him” they mentioned the Rays as one of the many teams that could use him.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Every minute that goes by that we don't sign Bonds
God kills a kitten.
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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great...zobrist AND EVERYONES FAVORITE: Johnny Gomes
by Acadien on Jul 10, 2008 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who would you prefer instead of Zobrist?
by tallyray on Jul 10, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Zobrist is better than Brignac today.
by tallyray on Jul 10, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They both give me headaches
Zobrist with the glove, and (so far) Brignac with the bat
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's marginally better, but that's irrelevant
If you’re going to call up one of your top prospects from Durham, you had better play him. It makes no sense to call up Brignac and play him sparingly. See what you have, give him ample playing time, identify where it is that he falls short against major league pitching, and that way he can take this experience back to Durham and work to improve.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Brignac is here clearly out of need...
The Rays need a back up SS. That’s why he is here. There should be no obligation to play someone that is not the best player at that position. I’d rather see if Zobrist is capable of not making errors in the big leagues. Brignac is clearly not ready to hit major league pitching.
by tallyray on Jul 10, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't necessarily have to be the back-up
It would be one thing if Zobrist were consequentially better than Brignac, but he’s not. There’s nothing to prove with Zobrist, we know what he has done, what type of player he is, and the range of what he can be in the future.
Brignac is far more untested and he has a higher ceiling. He is the better prospect. Calling him up and letting him rot on the bench while Bartlett is injured is absurd. I would rather Brignac get ample playing time so we can see where specifically he is deficient as a major league player. That way, he has something to compare himself to and something to work towards.
Neither Brignac or Zobrist is an acceptable major league starting shortstop. But both are mere interim solutions anyways, so it doesn’t matter. Send Brignac out when Bartlett returns, absolutely. That is the right choice to make so he can start every day in Durham. But while he is here, he needs to play.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't play for the future...
There’s no need to try and evaluate Brignac today when he is clearly not ready. He hasn’t had time to work out his problems at AAA and does not need to have the same thing done at the major league level. Also, why start him when he isn’t getting the platoon advantage? At least make it easier on him when he does play.
It isn’t clear what Zobrist can do. He’s been pathetic in the Majors for two stints before this year. The potential he once showed is that he can be a capable back up and fringe level starter. Over the last two years he didn’t show that at all. The purpose of having a guy like Zobrist around is to fill in if your starter gets injured. He probably isn’t good enough to ever be an opening day starter, but his usefulness is in the role that he should be in right now. He’s showed flashes of a decent major league bat and the Rays may as well see if those flashes will become more consistent.
I have flip-flopped. When Brignac first got called up I figured he’d be an everyday player. After looking at his minor league numbers and seeing him in his handful of at bats it is pretty clear he isn’t ready.
by tallyray on Jul 10, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he isn't ready
Don’t call him up, period. Call up some other roster filler. But if he is at the major league level, he needs to play. It doesn’t make sense to have him rot on the bench.
It is pretty clear what Zobrist can do, within a range, and you said it. Fringe starter at best, decent backup at worst. The problem is, with a top prospect also up at the same position, Zobrist shouldn’t be starting. If we had called up roster-filler, that would be one thing. Zobrist should be the uncontested starter in that scenario. But Brignac isn’t roster-filler, he is someone in which the Rays place quite a bit of faith for the future. As such, they should be looking to utilize him in the role that furthers his development the most. In this case, that clearly isn’t in the role of major league bench player. When the person above him isn’t appreciably better, there is no reason to keep him benched.
I don’t think Brignac is ready either. In fact, I didn’t really want to see him called up. But if he is on the major league team, he needs to play. It does no one any good to waste two weeks of his time on the bench.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he the better player right now?
I understand all of what you say and I agree. If you are a team in a playoff race and trying to win every game then you play your best player. Zobrist is better right now and thus should be playing. Especially against lefties. I don’t agree with Brignac sitting the bench, but he is clearly not ready and shouldn’t be playing just because he’s up.
by tallyray on Jul 10, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Zobrist isn't really that much better
And I think that is where the crux of our disagreement is. I just don’t see Zobrist as appreciably better to the extent that playing him over Brignac is worth it, especially when both are bottom of the lineup fodder. Zobrist is better offensively, Brignac on defense.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Brignac is going to spend most of the time on the bench, why didn’t they just bring up Johnson or Cannizaro?
Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!
by RATW on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand it either
If they had brought up either of those players, I wouldn’t have a problem with Zobrist playing so frequently. Doesn’t make sense to me.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomes > other options...
Ruggiano isn’t on the team so Jonny Gomes is better than any other option this team has right now. Hinske, Floyd, and Gross are terrible against lefties. Pena isn’t much better right now.
by tallyray on Jul 10, 2008 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
If Gomes is going to be here, you have to utilize him at some point. His track record against left-handed pitching would indicate that these are the types of games he should be used in.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O/U on Rays runs 4.5
Seriously we have to score eventually, right?
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My mantra for tonight
Players’ skills aren’t defined by their first half stats.
by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see our offense back in action
or not
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a really bad half inning...
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
at least aki and cc put the bat on the ball
which is a refreshing change for carl
by Acadien on Jul 10, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our Offense
it is teh suck
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bats will come back around against the Indians
The Indians are finding the most creative ways to lose now a days. But in order for that to happen you have to swing the friggen bat. YEAH THAT MEANS YOU UPTON. Just got K’d looking. He didn’t make one swing. Why even take a bat to the plate if you are not going to use it?
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Think upton's shoulder is bothering him?
by Thermacold on Jul 10, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe his eyes are bothering him
since he can’t recognize a strike anymore
by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone's grounding to second tonight
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate playing teams on long losing streaks
I just know there streak is gonna end against us.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I fear Grazy Sizemore
and no one else
we better score today
nice stop by the All Star
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as a converted former Indians fan
Watch out for Kelly Shoppach too. He has some power and watch out for Peralta too.
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
So close…
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it was very close
if they wanted to, they could have called him out
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very very close. if he hadn’t fumbled the exchange, he would’ve gotten him by a step and a half.
by AndrewG on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peralta has a .757 OPS>
And is the Leadoff hitter
by P Brady on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh
Cleanup hitter
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
We shouldn’t call him Longo anymore. Simply call him “The All Star” goddamn I am pumped about that.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
On another note. Im still laughing about the All-star Jason Veritek.
by Thermacold on Jul 10, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Veritek should decine his All-Star spot
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a big joke....
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can be called Navarro and Kazmir still
Longo is the All Star
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Karlos Pena
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When did Ruggiano go on the DL? What happened?
Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!
by RATW on Jul 10, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He fought a bear and won.
But then he hurt his leg dancing after
by P Brady on Jul 10, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team site doesn't list him as having gone on the DL
So I don’t know.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.durhambulls.com/team/transactions.html
July 09, 2008:
Justin Ruggiano placed on 7-Day Disabled List retroactive to 7/7, Josh Johnson assigned to Durham from Hudson Valley
Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!
by RATW on Jul 10, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Interesting, didn’t hear about that.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also says Juan Salas activated.. that's good news.
Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!
by RATW on Jul 10, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Longo walk
BRING HIM HOME
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I want runs
I am not that greedy
patience from the all star. Too bad no one was watching him.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how cool is that
2 hitts in a row that will be at the ASG
YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOO SLOW NAVARRO
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fielding percentage, for catchers?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
/facepalm
We look absolutely pathetic right now
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i understand no one was gonna beat that
but Navarro was barely halfway there. He seems to keep getting slower and slower
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"No one wants Bonds"
Borris says Bonds could be ready in ten days. Contenders such as the Angels, Rays, Tigers, and A’s have gotten subpar performance out of the DH spot but they’ve all decided to pass on Bonds for various reasons
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone wants Bonds the hitter
No one wants Bonds the media circus
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Takes him a while to move all of his stuff
by Jason Collette on Jul 10, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As will I
I’ll also chip in for shipping and handling.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will drive him to park and airport.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Future Ray: Casey Blake?
Well, he can’t hurt our offense. That’s all I’m saying.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any one of us couldn't hurt our offense right now
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the complaint was
Bay doesn’t play RF. This team probably needs both and then some to have a scary offense but as long as we do something cool.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bay can't play RF
well, he can, like Hinske can, but he’s slow, bad knees and has a girly arm (although not Hinske bad).
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would Be A Good Trade
But …. I would only be willing to offer Howell and Brignac or Zobrist for him
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean Hammel rather than Howell
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll, Sonny is off to a good start
He’s gonna need it with our prolific offense and all
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our hittters just think
Every SP will throw a shutout. Either that or Gabe Gross will save their ass in the 9th and they don’t have to try until then.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see why Jeff has such a love affair with Andy.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because of his beard and pure awesomeness?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boooooooooooooooo
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like it
Although, I have to admit, it’s growing on me.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZOMG!!!! WE GOT A HIT!!!!
HOLY SHIT!!!!
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OMG...a leadoff man on
Now stay out of the DP Gomer
by Jason Collette on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Apple Bottom Jeans
Boots wif da….
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's just crazy talk
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he got it.
Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!
by RATW on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CAN'T BEAT STP AND CAN'T TRADE ME
AHHAHAAHH GOMES HR
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BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GOMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RUNS, YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh my heavens he killed it!
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Get rid of him!!!
Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!
by RATW on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow didnt see that coming
Way to go Johnny on the spot
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all is forgiven
man can he hit that ball hard
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ MLB.TV lags.
Wooooooo Gomes!
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am an MLB.TV subscriber offering help
I would reccomend downloading the NexDef plugin off the MLB site. Helped me with the lag and choppiness. Don’t download the mosaic unless you want hours of frustration or your system has a high end processor and 2 gigs of ram and isn’t on a wireless connection.
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I found Mosaic to be extremely buggy and slow, and I dropped it.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can haz hypocryte?
GOMES FOR PRESIDENT!!!!11ONE
by kericr on Jul 10, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all is NOT forgiven
sorry…but that was one HR
by Acadien on Jul 10, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is disturbing
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stalker much?
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is true...
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh Gomes
everytime we are about to give up on you for good, you do something awesome. We will never let you go.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
please overanalyze ONE homerun, our lovable rays tv announcers
by Acadien on Jul 10, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Never question the great drunkenness known as Magrane.
Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!
by RATW on Jul 10, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carl walks
Wait…what?
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wait this cant be
are we making Laffey work?
did crawford just get a 4 pitch walk?
man what am I on?
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked you haven't stolen our "ICHIRO HURTS THIS TEAM BY..." meme and modified it for CC.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is true
CC actually does hurt the team.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me or ...
Does Dwayne Statts sound a little lost in the sauce tonight?
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, that pitch was off the plate too.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He pointed
I think he said he swung.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upton to AAA
He’s being owned by a garbage lefty
by Jason Collette on Jul 10, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
keep the.....
Is it a lead? I forgot what they call it when our team has more runs than the other, it’s been too long.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It has been like 3 days
people need to chill the fuck out
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BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the losing streak
It’s the continuation of a season long batting slump. You can’t win with pitching only. Eventually Boston will overtake us – they are a complete team.
by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're top 10 in OBP, top 13 in SLG and we averaged 5.6 runs over our last 10 entering yesterday.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the MLB or the AL?
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by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there you go being rational again
by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is not a fan
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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter RJ
We are competing with the Red Sox, not the Royals.
Red Sox vs Rays -
Runs 478 vs 425
OBP 355 vs 339
SLG 450 vs 417
It’s not even close
by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We pitch better
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by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've out-pitched the Red Sox by a mile.
Pitching and defense matter too.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our pitching doesn't make up the gap
Run Differential 91 vs 56 in favor of Red Sox
Hey, if you think there isn’t a problem here, then fine. Let’s just keep hitting like we hit.
by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have a problem with the runs scored, replace one of your bad hitters.
Upton is not one of your bad hitters.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say he was a bad hitter
He’s not good enough for the #3 hole. What pitcher in the league is afraid of BJ Upton? I mean, really. He’s a leadoff or #2 guy.
by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure am glad hitting is only one part of the game.
And that you took into account how Fenway is a hitters park and the Trop is a pitchers park.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the whole park factor thing matters.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Park Factor
doesn’t account for run differential
by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scoring more runs in a positive
scoring environment doesn’t account for more runs?
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by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read the damn post
Run differential cannot be explained by the park. They hold teams down, don’t they? They’ve only given up 387 runs this season.
by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it does account
for why we haven’t scored more runs.
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by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know what run differential is?
It’s Runs scored – Runs allowed. That’s all that matters. Who cares if your defense is great if you lose 3-2, or your hitting is great if you lose 9-8?
Boston is more complete team because of their lineup. They have pitching too, and definitely a better closer situation. Until we add a true middle of the lineup guy, we cannot hope to hold them off.
by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have a more balanced offense, sure.
But the Tampa Bay pitching staff is far superior.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially our bullpen.
Our middle relief is a lot better.
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen Boston's #'s away from Fenway?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we please not use road stats as true talent estimates?
by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It shows that Boston is a hitter's paradise.
There’s some value to it.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying they're down to that level, obviously they're somewhere in the middle or upper end.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no problem with you guys doing it
but then you get others claiming Matt Holliday is actually only a .275 hitter
by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish the top of the order did something constructive
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep you're right
He’s freaking awesome. Best center fielder ever. Let’s bat him cleanup too so he can hit twice in the lineup.
by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upton gets on base at a .390 clip? FUCK THAT GUY
by P Brady on Jul 10, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glover for CF
kthx
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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s bat him cleanup too so he can hit twice in the lineup.
DO NOT TEASE ME WITH THE IDEA OF TWO B.J. UPTONS.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is almost as good as the idea of Bonds!#%!$!
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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let us read from the book of Graham, chapter twelve verse twenty and one:
Wrong.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be awesome.
Perhaps slightly homoerotic.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ = good
even when he is showing WTP, he still helps us. I just have a bad feeling he may be our 1 young stud we don’t give a long term deal to.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like I said
only Sizemore scares me. Just set everyone else down.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I went to the same high school Grady graduated from.
If I had been two years older, I would have been enrolled at the same time he was a senior.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every CFer gets to that ball
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Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So Andy's taking in the game with his woman friend, but pulled out the phone near the end.
We’re totally making a deal.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bullpen talent is easy to come by.
Don’t give up too much for a relief arm.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a bullpen stud would be great. bullpen depth is already a strength
by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, it would be nice.
If the price is right. Bullpens are easy to build.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree and the Rays have a nice one. but one lights-out guy is worth three 3.75 ERA guys
numbers for illustration purposes only
by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have three 3.75 guys than one closer.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
warning, pulling numbers out of my ass...
bullpen replacement ERA: 4.75
leverage index of top three relievers: 2.00, 1.50, 1.25
innings per reliever: 72
three 3.75 ERA guys: (4.75 – 3.75) / 9 * 72 * (2.0 + 1.5 + 1.00) = 38 leveraged runs above replacement
one 2.50 ERA guy, two 4.75 guys = (4.75 – 2.50) / 9 * 72 * 2.0 + zero * 2 = 36 leveraged runs above replacement
Pretty damn close. The upgrade from a 3.75 ERA “closer” to a 2.50 ERA “closer” is 20 runs, or 2 wins. The two other 3.75 ERA relievers combine for “only” 16 runs saved.
by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the playoffs, yes
In the regular season, not so much
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or just calling another one of his bitches...
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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just keep it up Sonny
he continues pitching like this, we will have all 5 SP’s with an ERA under 4 soon.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good hustle by Carlos
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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yay Pena!
Navi would of been in the batters box still.
by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you discount the lefty effect
Pena gets a half second on Navarro against lefties by virtue of him betting lefty. I often get lauded for my hustle in softball for the same reason…God knows im not fast
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL Carroll
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Congrats on sending Longo to the all star game, guys.
I’m excited to watch him play there.
by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I <3 Longo
but he needs to start hitting LHP with some consistency at some point
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd settle for hitting lefties, period.
He’s not Joe Crede bad but lefties are owning him this year
by Jason Collette on Jul 10, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
players’ skills aren’t defined by their first half stats
by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he'll get better
but it’s still fustrating
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh well
We fail with RISP again. C’mon Sonny!
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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs