7/10: RAYS (55-35) at CLE (37-53)
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
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PrintTampa Bay Rays at Cleveland Indians, Jul 10, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
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Pitching Matchup:
| IP | ERA | + | K/9 | BB/9 | K/BB | HR/9 | OPS | WHIP | G/F | P/IP | ||
| RAYS | RH A. Sonnanst. |
108.2 | 4.31 |
95 | 5.71 | 1.66 | 3.45 | 0.66 | .772 | 1.35 | 1.16 | 15.12 |
| CLE | LH A. Laffey |
80.0 | 3.49 |
120 | 4.05 | 2.70 | 1.50 | 0.79 | .701 | 1.28 | 1.60 | 15.49 |
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GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cleveland without Chuck E. Cheese
hmmmm….
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
Laffey's #'s look like Ponson's
Lots of grounders, low strikeout rate, doesn’t walk too many.
Hit ‘em where they ain’t boys – like over the fence!
MVP: Gomes
He’s bound to get a hit sometime.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
I now guarantee he gets at least one hit.
If I’m wrong, let God strike down SaberToothedPie.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomes plz get a hit
plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz
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We can't lose a fan
and I don’t want anything to make this day sad. :)
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If he goes down I'm trading you for his replacement.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomes better get a fucking hit
I don’t wanna be traded. Where would I end up?
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@#%#@$^%#@$
GOMES GET A HIT#$@$!
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I'd rather him wind up in the other league.
Bleed Cubbie Blue it is.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I will retire....
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So Jim Riggleman is somewhat awesome.
"The manager’s got to be able to make a lineup out without feeling somebody’s going to be unhappy,’’ he said, "If we sat Willie Bloomquist and he was unhappy, we could handle it. But if one of your big boys is down in the dumps, that can take others down.’‘
Question..........
Do Rays fans consider this series a success if we fail to sweep the Indians?
No
I would say that anything less than three of four is a failure, simply because that total would give us a break-even road trip.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Willie Hays? Ricky Vaughan? Mitchell Friedman??
by stpetelawyer on Jul 10, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Roger Dorn? Jake Taylor?
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 10, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
haha on MLB trade rumors
It simply says “no one wants him” they mentioned the Rays as one of the many teams that could use him.
Every minute that goes by that we don't sign Bonds
God kills a kitten.
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Really?
Zobrist is better than Brignac today.
They both give me headaches
Zobrist with the glove, and (so far) Brignac with the bat
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He's marginally better, but that's irrelevant
If you’re going to call up one of your top prospects from Durham, you had better play him. It makes no sense to call up Brignac and play him sparingly. See what you have, give him ample playing time, identify where it is that he falls short against major league pitching, and that way he can take this experience back to Durham and work to improve.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
But Brignac is here clearly out of need...
The Rays need a back up SS. That’s why he is here. There should be no obligation to play someone that is not the best player at that position. I’d rather see if Zobrist is capable of not making errors in the big leagues. Brignac is clearly not ready to hit major league pitching.
He doesn't necessarily have to be the back-up
It would be one thing if Zobrist were consequentially better than Brignac, but he’s not. There’s nothing to prove with Zobrist, we know what he has done, what type of player he is, and the range of what he can be in the future.
Brignac is far more untested and he has a higher ceiling. He is the better prospect. Calling him up and letting him rot on the bench while Bartlett is injured is absurd. I would rather Brignac get ample playing time so we can see where specifically he is deficient as a major league player. That way, he has something to compare himself to and something to work towards.
Neither Brignac or Zobrist is an acceptable major league starting shortstop. But both are mere interim solutions anyways, so it doesn’t matter. Send Brignac out when Bartlett returns, absolutely. That is the right choice to make so he can start every day in Durham. But while he is here, he needs to play.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't play for the future...
There’s no need to try and evaluate Brignac today when he is clearly not ready. He hasn’t had time to work out his problems at AAA and does not need to have the same thing done at the major league level. Also, why start him when he isn’t getting the platoon advantage? At least make it easier on him when he does play.
It isn’t clear what Zobrist can do. He’s been pathetic in the Majors for two stints before this year. The potential he once showed is that he can be a capable back up and fringe level starter. Over the last two years he didn’t show that at all. The purpose of having a guy like Zobrist around is to fill in if your starter gets injured. He probably isn’t good enough to ever be an opening day starter, but his usefulness is in the role that he should be in right now. He’s showed flashes of a decent major league bat and the Rays may as well see if those flashes will become more consistent.
I have flip-flopped. When Brignac first got called up I figured he’d be an everyday player. After looking at his minor league numbers and seeing him in his handful of at bats it is pretty clear he isn’t ready.
If he isn't ready
Don’t call him up, period. Call up some other roster filler. But if he is at the major league level, he needs to play. It doesn’t make sense to have him rot on the bench.
It is pretty clear what Zobrist can do, within a range, and you said it. Fringe starter at best, decent backup at worst. The problem is, with a top prospect also up at the same position, Zobrist shouldn’t be starting. If we had called up roster-filler, that would be one thing. Zobrist should be the uncontested starter in that scenario. But Brignac isn’t roster-filler, he is someone in which the Rays place quite a bit of faith for the future. As such, they should be looking to utilize him in the role that furthers his development the most. In this case, that clearly isn’t in the role of major league bench player. When the person above him isn’t appreciably better, there is no reason to keep him benched.
I don’t think Brignac is ready either. In fact, I didn’t really want to see him called up. But if he is on the major league team, he needs to play. It does no one any good to waste two weeks of his time on the bench.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he the better player right now?
I understand all of what you say and I agree. If you are a team in a playoff race and trying to win every game then you play your best player. Zobrist is better right now and thus should be playing. Especially against lefties. I don’t agree with Brignac sitting the bench, but he is clearly not ready and shouldn’t be playing just because he’s up.
But Zobrist isn't really that much better
And I think that is where the crux of our disagreement is. I just don’t see Zobrist as appreciably better to the extent that playing him over Brignac is worth it, especially when both are bottom of the lineup fodder. Zobrist is better offensively, Brignac on defense.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If Brignac is going to spend most of the time on the bench, why didn’t they just bring up Johnson or Cannizaro?
Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!
I don't understand it either
If they had brought up either of those players, I wouldn’t have a problem with Zobrist playing so frequently. Doesn’t make sense to me.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomes > other options...
Ruggiano isn’t on the team so Jonny Gomes is better than any other option this team has right now. Hinske, Floyd, and Gross are terrible against lefties. Pena isn’t much better right now.
I agree
If Gomes is going to be here, you have to utilize him at some point. His track record against left-handed pitching would indicate that these are the types of games he should be used in.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a really bad half inning...
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at least aki and cc put the bat on the ball
which is a refreshing change for carl
The Bats will come back around against the Indians
The Indians are finding the most creative ways to lose now a days. But in order for that to happen you have to swing the friggen bat. YEAH THAT MEANS YOU UPTON. Just got K’d looking. He didn’t make one swing. Why even take a bat to the plate if you are not going to use it?
as a converted former Indians fan
Watch out for Kelly Shoppach too. He has some power and watch out for Peralta too.
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
We shouldn’t call him Longo anymore. Simply call him “The All Star” goddamn I am pumped about that.
It is a big joke....
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Team site doesn't list him as having gone on the DL
So I don’t know.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.durhambulls.com/team/transactions.html
July 09, 2008:
Justin Ruggiano placed on 7-Day Disabled List retroactive to 7/7, Josh Johnson assigned to Durham from Hudson Valley
Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!
Hmm
Interesting, didn’t hear about that.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i understand no one was gonna beat that
but Navarro was barely halfway there. He seems to keep getting slower and slower
"No one wants Bonds"
Borris says Bonds could be ready in ten days. Contenders such as the Angels, Rays, Tigers, and A’s have gotten subpar performance out of the DH spot but they’ve all decided to pass on Bonds for various reasons
Everyone wants Bonds the hitter
No one wants Bonds the media circus
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Takes him a while to move all of his stuff
by Jason Collette on Jul 10, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
As will I
I’ll also chip in for shipping and handling.
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I thought the complaint was
Bay doesn’t play RF. This team probably needs both and then some to have a scary offense but as long as we do something cool.
Bay can't play RF
well, he can, like Hinske can, but he’s slow, bad knees and has a girly arm (although not Hinske bad).
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Would Be A Good Trade
But …. I would only be willing to offer Howell and Brignac or Zobrist for him
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll, Sonny is off to a good start
He’s gonna need it with our prolific offense and all
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Our hittters just think
Every SP will throw a shutout. Either that or Gabe Gross will save their ass in the 9th and they don’t have to try until then.
Because of his beard and pure awesomeness?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
CAN'T BEAT STP AND CAN'T TRADE ME
AHHAHAAHH GOMES HR
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GOMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RUNS, YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh my heavens he killed it!
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I am an MLB.TV subscriber offering help
I would reccomend downloading the NexDef plugin off the MLB site. Helped me with the lag and choppiness. Don’t download the mosaic unless you want hours of frustration or your system has a high end processor and 2 gigs of ram and isn’t on a wireless connection.
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I found Mosaic to be extremely buggy and slow, and I dropped it.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Stalker much?
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this is true...
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oh Gomes
everytime we are about to give up on you for good, you do something awesome. We will never let you go.
wait this cant be
are we making Laffey work?
did crawford just get a 4 pitch walk?
man what am I on?
This is true
CC actually does hurt the team.
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keep the.....
Is it a lead? I forgot what they call it when our team has more runs than the other, it’s been too long.
It has been like 3 days
people need to chill the fuck out
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It's not the losing streak
It’s the continuation of a season long batting slump. You can’t win with pitching only. Eventually Boston will overtake us – they are a complete team.
We're top 10 in OBP, top 13 in SLG and we averaged 5.6 runs over our last 10 entering yesterday.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He is not a fan
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It doesn't matter RJ
We are competing with the Red Sox, not the Royals.
Red Sox vs Rays -
Runs 478 vs 425
OBP 355 vs 339
SLG 450 vs 417
It’s not even close
You've out-pitched the Red Sox by a mile.
Pitching and defense matter too.
Our pitching doesn't make up the gap
Run Differential 91 vs 56 in favor of Red Sox
Hey, if you think there isn’t a problem here, then fine. Let’s just keep hitting like we hit.
If you have a problem with the runs scored, replace one of your bad hitters.
Upton is not one of your bad hitters.
I didn't say he was a bad hitter
He’s not good enough for the #3 hole. What pitcher in the league is afraid of BJ Upton? I mean, really. He’s a leadoff or #2 guy.
I sure am glad hitting is only one part of the game.
And that you took into account how Fenway is a hitters park and the Trop is a pitchers park.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Park Factor
doesn’t account for run differential
Scoring more runs in a positive
scoring environment doesn’t account for more runs?
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Read the damn post
Run differential cannot be explained by the park. They hold teams down, don’t they? They’ve only given up 387 runs this season.
But it does account
for why we haven’t scored more runs.
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Do you know what run differential is?
It’s Runs scored – Runs allowed. That’s all that matters. Who cares if your defense is great if you lose 3-2, or your hitting is great if you lose 9-8?
Boston is more complete team because of their lineup. They have pitching too, and definitely a better closer situation. Until we add a true middle of the lineup guy, we cannot hope to hold them off.
They have a more balanced offense, sure.
But the Tampa Bay pitching staff is far superior.
Especially our bullpen.
Our middle relief is a lot better.
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Have you seen Boston's #'s away from Fenway?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It shows that Boston is a hitter's paradise.
There’s some value to it.
I'm not saying they're down to that level, obviously they're somewhere in the middle or upper end.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no problem with you guys doing it
but then you get others claiming Matt Holliday is actually only a .275 hitter
Yep you're right
He’s freaking awesome. Best center fielder ever. Let’s bat him cleanup too so he can hit twice in the lineup.
Glover for CF
kthx
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Let’s bat him cleanup too so he can hit twice in the lineup.
DO NOT TEASE ME WITH THE IDEA OF TWO B.J. UPTONS.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That is almost as good as the idea of Bonds!#%!$!
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It would be awesome.
Perhaps slightly homoerotic.
BJ = good
even when he is showing WTP, he still helps us. I just have a bad feeling he may be our 1 young stud we don’t give a long term deal to.
I went to the same high school Grady graduated from.
If I had been two years older, I would have been enrolled at the same time he was a senior.
Every CFer gets to that ball
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So Andy's taking in the game with his woman friend, but pulled out the phone near the end.
We’re totally making a deal.
Bullpen talent is easy to come by.
Don’t give up too much for a relief arm.
Sure, it would be nice.
If the price is right. Bullpens are easy to build.
i agree and the Rays have a nice one. but one lights-out guy is worth three 3.75 ERA guys
numbers for illustration purposes only
warning, pulling numbers out of my ass...
bullpen replacement ERA: 4.75
leverage index of top three relievers: 2.00, 1.50, 1.25
innings per reliever: 72
three 3.75 ERA guys: (4.75 – 3.75) / 9 * 72 * (2.0 + 1.5 + 1.00) = 38 leveraged runs above replacement
one 2.50 ERA guy, two 4.75 guys = (4.75 – 2.50) / 9 * 72 * 2.0 + zero * 2 = 36 leveraged runs above replacement
Pretty damn close. The upgrade from a 3.75 ERA “closer” to a 2.50 ERA “closer” is 20 runs, or 2 wins. The two other 3.75 ERA relievers combine for “only” 16 runs saved.
In the playoffs, yes
In the regular season, not so much
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
or just calling another one of his bitches...
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just keep it up Sonny
he continues pitching like this, we will have all 5 SP’s with an ERA under 4 soon.
Good hustle by Carlos
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I think you discount the lefty effect
Pena gets a half second on Navarro against lefties by virtue of him betting lefty. I often get lauded for my hustle in softball for the same reason…God knows im not fast
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Congrats on sending Longo to the all star game, guys.
I’m excited to watch him play there.
I <3 Longo
but he needs to start hitting LHP with some consistency at some point
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I'd settle for hitting lefties, period.
He’s not Joe Crede bad but lefties are owning him this year
by Jason Collette on Jul 10, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonny works fast
to offset the fact that he throws slow.
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I know
However, explain to me why I should care?
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't read flags?
That’s unfortunate.
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I read flags all the time
I questioned R.J. as to why I should care that you can.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I'm an idiot
I misread. I would again flag myself if I had the ability.
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by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
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I'm very proud of Patrick!
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This might be a game misconduct
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I'm contemplating banning R.J. as well after this.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The only places that will take you
are Halo’s Heaven and BCB
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Urban Dictionary
tells me that word is Brazilian.
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This is the kind of thinking
I’d like to encourage!
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I'd penalty box him right back
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Since the Al Lang site now has parkland protection
Is a waterfront stadium finished?
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SPT seems to think so
Which sucks for me, since I live so close…But then again, I live even closer to the trop, so it’s not all bad
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No
It hasn’t officially been designated as parkland yet, but even if it is the designation is irrelevant. They can still build whatever they want there with a referendum, the zoning is just symbolical.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not true
Designating it one thing, and then turning around and switching it to another dramatically increases the chances a court will overturn the decision should it be challenged in court….See, I learned something in law school!
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
By a 7-1 vote, the City Council asked staff to look into rezoning Al Lang Field as a downtown park.Council member Jeff Danner initiated the mostly symbolic effort during Thursday’s council meeting. The council has been debating the park designation since August.
But even if the council does eventually designate Al Lang a downtown park, the Tampa Bay Rays could still build their stadium there. All it would take is a voter referendum.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The mere act of approving a subsequent referendum
Is government action subject to judicial challenge, if would be plaintiff wants to claim that the land use action (in this case trying to change the designation) was not done in accordance with the cities comprehensive plan….Here changing course so rapidly could give rise to a strong claim that the city was acting arbitrary and capriciously with regard to the land use for the site…It may seem anti-democratic, but im not making this stuff up.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The saving grace
Is that a would be plaintiff would likely need to show some sort of economic harm…Here, its hard to say that POWW members would suffer any sort of tangible loss if the city changed their mind….Still its not a good idea for the city to go changing land use plans wily nily
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Anything is subject to judicial challenge
But since the designation means nothing, the plantiff would have no case. He might delay action on the stadium, sure, but the waterfront itself is a superceding designation that overrules any other land use change the city makes. Designating the site “parkland” means nothing. They can designate it as whatever they want to, but the fact that it is on the waterfront means that any change that requires a lease longer than five years is subject to voter approval. For practical purposes, this change means nothing.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It means time
And no, not anything is subject to judicial challenge…In this context, only government action is subject to challenge. Inaction, on the other hand is not subject to a similar challenge.
And in the grand scheme of things, this means that an approved stadium could be put on hold while a case makes its way through the system.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
In other words
Its better for them to do nothing.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct
Inaction would be the safest route, but I don’t see this action de-railing any proposal, ultimately.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
CC had walked and hit a ball hard
Should I be encouraged?
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put it this way: he didnt strike out
cant say that for BJ
I love Upton
Pimping the catch.
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You don't throw hard
Don’t throw the ball in the middle of the plate waist high!
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He aint getting run support with this offense right now
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I'm not having much fun
right now.
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"We"
You mean people who value ERA more than they should.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, so this really sucks all of a sudden.
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
Zobrist fucked it up
Andy should of pitched out against these bats anyway
5 runs against the Tribe? come on…..
I agree -- almost suggested him as a reliever trade target yesterday
Then I remembered his history in Tampa Bay.
Hey, look!
A Devil Ray game has broken out in Cleveland!
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The Pirates have traded former starting outfielder/first baseman Craig Wilson to the Seattle Mariners for a player to be named. Wilson was hitting .230 with 10 homers and 27 RBIs at Triple-A Indianapolis.
The Pirates also acquired right-hander Dan Reichert and infielder-outfielder Ryan Mulhern from the Indians, also for a player to be named. Reichert was 1-3 with a 4.40 ERA in eight games since joining Triple-A Buffalo, where Mulhern had a .250 average with seven homers and 26 RBIs in 58 games.
Should have used some from
one of his longer home runs. Just a few feet would have sufficed.
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God damnit
Remember when this team was really good? I miss those days…
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This team is horrable right now
Why is Sonnanstine still in the rotation? He’s horrid.
by Cockytherooster! on Jul 10, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions
do you want link for ban card?
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Pat's banned right now for banning me.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Good
he trying to act all hardcore. Someone needed to check himself before he wrecked himself.
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GET SONNY THE FUCK OUT OF THERE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PLK bans me and the Indians score 6
BLAME HIM!!!!!!!
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plz don't!!!!
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Fuck this game
I’ve seen enough to know this one is over. Lifeless losers this bunch is right now getting owned by subpar teams. Thanks for getting my hopes up that this season would be different.
Since when the fuck
can the Indians even score 6? They have ONE good hitter. What the FUCK is wrong with us right now. this looks a lot worse than just a slump.
yeah and if we traded for 1 of them
all of you guys would have complained.
its the same way for every team in every sport. Every decision made is always second guessed.
This team will be lucky to finish this month .500
I wouldn’t let them go anywhere during the break because they’ve already taken 4 days off the last 4 nights
Based on?
Going 5-1 at home, and 0-3 (assuming we lose tonight) on the road.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
dont forget tomorrow night's loss against the best lefty in the game right now
We can’t hit shitty lefties so we are sure as hell not going to hit Lee tomorrow night.
by Jason Collette on Jul 10, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry im just upset
My girlfriend told me she was pregnant and the Rays are losing all in the same night.
TRADE THE ENTIRE TEAM!#%!#$#!
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Someone on the Heater Blog
Just reccomended we trade upton…I’m boycotting SPT blogs until further notice
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
why would you read that in the first place?
And can we find out who he is and beat the shit out of him?
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reply system ftw
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Just a friendly reminder....
makes it easier to keep convos together.
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Huh
Gomes has been the lone bright spot tonight.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
ok we give up 1 more run and im playing The Show
I don’t feel like seeing some vintage Devil Ray baseball.
Sonny = BP Pitcher
Or perhaps he should be playing slow pitch softball?
Yes, pick on him after his first bad start in a while.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes slow pitch softball pitchers can screw up a hitters timing
Doesn’t make them good.
No
I’m pretty sure he maxes out at slow pitch softball level
You've been saying this for the past mo...no you haven't.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
This is the first time I’ve said anything about his pitch speed. Usually I bitch about how he throws it right down the middle.
You pick your spots well.
Like Sonny usually does.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I do
It just takes serious effort to give up bombs to Ben Francisco, David Delluchi and this Chin bop Soo character.
Uhhhh....
They almost made it to the World Series last season.
Vmart/Pronk/Carmona/CC
Totally different team
Do all those guys hit?
Because the post was about hitting.
Two of them do
But your post was about the team making it to the ALCS. Last time I checked the team is more than just the batters.
soooooooo
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BRB PUTTING BREADSTICKS IN OVEN!
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Truce
Let’s stop banning each other, and instead ban him.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS IS UNFAIR!
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OH COME ON
WE ARE GOOD THIS YEAR, STOP PLAYING LIKE WE ARE STILL IN LAST
they can’t piss me off more than they have lately. HOW DO I HIT BALL?!
That's because we had premiere AL Sluggers
like Josh Wilson and Josh Paul.
Wow
Was Jason Bartlett seriously the pin that held this team together?
Because it sure looks like it.
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it's just the replacements at SS are killing us
Their defense has killed us tonight and cost us Mondays game
Holy crap we are going to lose
We are going to lose the ALE lead prior to the break
stop saying nothing.
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Stop getting banned.
As soon as you return in a few minutes.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm
Our lead is down to 1.5
How is this overreacting?. It is very possible for that lead to evaporate.
And it's very possible that the world won't end if it does.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
When did I say the world end?
My exact words were “We are going to lose the ALE lead prior to the break”. Hell I didn’t even show any emotions. Perhaps it is your insecurities about this team that are coming to light?
I don't even know what you're talking about.
I’m not a fan of this team.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad you're in on that whole wire-tapping thing...
makes for good inside info
by EminenceFront on Jul 10, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Thankfully Friedman isn't as temperamental as most of you.
Otherwise Price and Kazmir for Bay would be executed.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll be lucky to get 5 hits off him
We act as if we have never seen a lefty pitch each time we face one.
by Jason Collette on Jul 10, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
NO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGION AS ORDERED BY PATRICK
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather contain the suicide watch within the friendly confines of one thread tonight.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I BE WRIST CUTTER!
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Not across the street, or down the highway
It’s through the jugular
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way ahead of you, I took the Vicodin before the game
because I didn’t want the chance of a loss to the Tribe sober
SHE TOOK THE MIDNIGHT TRAIN GOING ANYWHERE
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a city boy
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HE TOOK THE MIDNIGHT TRAIN GOING ANYWHERE
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
New song time. Something by Robert Palmer let's say.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
SHE'S A NATURAL LAW, AND SHE LEAVES ME IN AWE
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
She’s a craze you’d endorse, she’s a powerful force
You’re obliged to conform when there’s no other course
She used to look good to me, but now I find her
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
living in a lonely world...
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You are
In your perpetual bans, the latest of which is occurring right now.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it look like Aki's bat doesn't even go into the strike zone?
He seems to just swing through the batter’s box
Every team should just throw lefties against us. Bring them up from the minors if you have to
It is guaranteed victory
Nate the great v Veras though
So we have a chance
GLOVER IN GAME OVER!
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Banned for pessimism, sarcastic or otherwise.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
stop banning me damnit!
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everytime you ban me the Rays give up runs....
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And Glover's in the game right now
So give me one good reason why I shouldn’t ban you again.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
uh
I gave you those field passes you did not use, and will give you that girls phone number.
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FOX NEWS ALERT: THIS GME IS NOW OVER
at least Glover is getting regressed
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Coming up next: Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes screaming at each other
We Report, You Concur
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That is terrible...
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Uptons line over the last month
.234 16R 1HR 6RBI
not counting tonights 0-4
He needs to step it up big time
new 3 step plan for us
1) Get wasted
2) Remember we are in 1st and have swept all the premiere teams
3) Umm….. was there EVER a team that didn’t have a slump?
Got #1 taken care of
Way ahead of you buddy
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
thing is Pat will prob ban me….
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no don't
I have suffered enough.
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We're down 7-2 in the 8th and Glover is pitching.
LET ME HAVE MY JOY.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Keith Olbermann with a Special Comment tonight
Rays handle success like Bush does a complete sentence. They screw it up beyond belief.
ROFLONGORIA!
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cool
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That was definitely the difference maker
Damnit Gomes, you blew the game again!!!!!
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It made me laugh though..
Kind of looked like me trying to catch a fly ball over my head
PLK
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Yes
In reality we’ve really only had two guys that have hit, Navi and Longoria. Everyone else has been way too inconsistent. So just a little more slumping put us in this major tailspin
RJ and PLK are fuck buddies.
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Why are we IBBing when we're down by 6 in the 8th inning?
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Maddon wants to look like he is trying this game
Especially after he essentially purposely lost the game on Monday.
Maddon
It’s not your job to make excuses! Thats all you guys do good! It’s either a leg thing!...or a spiritual thing!...or a psychological thing!...or a heart attack!!!
Troy Percival: Who used heart attack?
Joe Maddon: Me. [collapses]
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
More importantly why would you want to know?
by EminenceFront on Jul 10, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Upton hitting .234 with a .351 OBP and .309 SLG% in the last month
I can’t imagine why this team cannot score runs…..
and CC has totally sucked except for a span of a few weeks
Very hard to score runs when your 2 and 3 guys aren’t doing well
Neimann and Brignac for Bay
Do this if you must. I’d try to get Marte also so work that out.
My sex trade would be Bay and Marte for Neimann, Brignac, and Hammell
Yeah it was not like we lost yesterday or anything...
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He was being sarcastic
For your failure to recognize this, you are banned.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
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This will cure all our problems
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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to take this time to thank the Cleveland Indians for helping us convince our FO
to DFA Gary Glover
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For who?
Another starter? I agree tonight was craptastic, but I dont see how it fits in with their ‘needs’, seeing as Gomes played well, and the Closer/Setup roles were never used.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He hits one HR on a mistake pitch and he's playing well?
He couldn’t get anything else out of the infield and has butchered at least 2 outfield balls this week.
by Jason Collette on Jul 10, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
BARRY LAMAR BONDS PLZ
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Chuck Norris doesn't read websites
He stares them down until he gets the information he wants
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Poor Chris Westmoreland
I will be waay too drunk too pay attention to his contributions to the team…Though IIRC they’ve shown a feature on him several times on the jumbotron already this year.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions
I won't even tune in tomorrow
Lee has a 2.21 ERA and 0.95 WHIP over the last month along with a 29/5 K/BB ratio.
It will be u-g-l-y tomorrow night watching hitter after hitter walk back to the dugout full of fail as this squad has done all week long.
Dewayne just suggested
9 million people voted for longoria. Based on what I’ve heard/read, about 250 fans were involved in the final player vote.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
RALLY TIME!
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If the game holds like this..
This team will have hit .184 with a .245 OBP and .287 SLG% in the 4 game losing streak.
banned....
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Pat's GF
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Yup
Left the bases loded. We are sucking right now. SUCKING.
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cya guys tomorow
hope the rays can pull it around.
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About that RF bat.....
Hell, even that ain’t gonna help much if we don’t pull our heads out our asses
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