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7/10: RAYS (55-35) at CLE (37-53)

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Tampa Bay Rays @ Cleveland Indians


RAYS at Cleveland

7:05; FSN Florida
RAYS RADIO/1250 AM

Pitching Matchup:


 IP ERA + K/9 BB/9 K/BB HR/9 OPS WHIP G/F P/IP
RAYS RH A. Sonnanst.
 108.2 4.31
 95 5.71 1.66 3.45 0.66 .772 1.35 1.16 15.12
CLE LH A. Laffey
 80.0 3.49
 120 4.05 2.70 1.50 0.79 .701 1.28 1.60 15.49

Starting Lineups:

RAYS
2B Akinori Iwamura
LF Carl Crawford
CF B.J. Upton
1B Carlos Peña
3B Evan Longoria
C Dioner Navarro
DH
 Willy Aybar
RF Jonny Gomes
SS Ben Zobrist
Cleveland
CF Grady Sizemore
2B Jamey Carroll
LF
 Ben Francisco
SS
 Jhonny Peralta
1B
 Casey Blake
RF Shin-Soo Choo
C Kelly Shoppach
DH David Dellucci
3B
 Andy Marte

GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Cleveland without Chuck E. Cheese

hmmmm….

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Jul 10, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Laffey's #'s look like Ponson's

Lots of grounders, low strikeout rate, doesn’t walk too many.

Hit ‘em where they ain’t boys – like over the fence!

by Jason Collette on Jul 10, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MVP: Gomes

He’s bound to get a hit sometime.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I now guarantee he gets at least one hit.

If I’m wrong, let God strike down SaberToothedPie.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 5:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gomes plz get a hit

plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz

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BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We can't lose a fan

and I don’t want anything to make this day sad. :)

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gomes better get a fucking hit

I don’t wanna be traded. Where would I end up?

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

@#%#@$^%#@$

GOMES GET A HIT#$@$!

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will retire....

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So Jim Riggleman is somewhat awesome.
"The manager’s got to be able to make a lineup out without feeling somebody’s going to be unhappy,’’ he said, "If we sat Willie Bloomquist and he was unhappy, we could handle it. But if one of your big boys is down in the dumps, that can take others down.’‘

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brilliant

Good strategy, rip your bad players!!

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 6:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question..........

Do Rays fans consider this series a success if we fail to sweep the Indians?

by Acadien on Jul 10, 2008 6:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

I would say that anything less than three of four is a failure, simply because that total would give us a break-even road trip.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 6:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

3 out of 4 or Fail

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Roger Dorn? Jake Taylor?

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Jul 10, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MVP = Our newest All Star

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

alright

I am only asking 1 thing, can we not make Laffey look like Cy Young?

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Watch Laffey shut us down

but we light Lee up

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 6:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha on MLB trade rumors

It simply says “no one wants him” they mentioned the Rays as one of the many teams that could use him.

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 6:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Every minute that goes by that we don't sign Bonds

God kills a kitten.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

Zobrist is better than Brignac today.

by tallyray on Jul 10, 2008 6:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They both give me headaches

Zobrist with the glove, and (so far) Brignac with the bat

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2008 6:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's marginally better, but that's irrelevant

If you’re going to call up one of your top prospects from Durham, you had better play him. It makes no sense to call up Brignac and play him sparingly. See what you have, give him ample playing time, identify where it is that he falls short against major league pitching, and that way he can take this experience back to Durham and work to improve.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 6:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But Brignac is here clearly out of need...

The Rays need a back up SS. That’s why he is here. There should be no obligation to play someone that is not the best player at that position. I’d rather see if Zobrist is capable of not making errors in the big leagues. Brignac is clearly not ready to hit major league pitching.

by tallyray on Jul 10, 2008 6:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He doesn't necessarily have to be the back-up

It would be one thing if Zobrist were consequentially better than Brignac, but he’s not. There’s nothing to prove with Zobrist, we know what he has done, what type of player he is, and the range of what he can be in the future.

Brignac is far more untested and he has a higher ceiling. He is the better prospect. Calling him up and letting him rot on the bench while Bartlett is injured is absurd. I would rather Brignac get ample playing time so we can see where specifically he is deficient as a major league player. That way, he has something to compare himself to and something to work towards.

Neither Brignac or Zobrist is an acceptable major league starting shortstop. But both are mere interim solutions anyways, so it doesn’t matter. Send Brignac out when Bartlett returns, absolutely. That is the right choice to make so he can start every day in Durham. But while he is here, he needs to play.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 6:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

Let the Cajun God play. He needs to get a hit so it won’t be in his head.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 6:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't play for the future...

There’s no need to try and evaluate Brignac today when he is clearly not ready. He hasn’t had time to work out his problems at AAA and does not need to have the same thing done at the major league level. Also, why start him when he isn’t getting the platoon advantage? At least make it easier on him when he does play.

It isn’t clear what Zobrist can do. He’s been pathetic in the Majors for two stints before this year. The potential he once showed is that he can be a capable back up and fringe level starter. Over the last two years he didn’t show that at all. The purpose of having a guy like Zobrist around is to fill in if your starter gets injured. He probably isn’t good enough to ever be an opening day starter, but his usefulness is in the role that he should be in right now. He’s showed flashes of a decent major league bat and the Rays may as well see if those flashes will become more consistent.

I have flip-flopped. When Brignac first got called up I figured he’d be an everyday player. After looking at his minor league numbers and seeing him in his handful of at bats it is pretty clear he isn’t ready.

by tallyray on Jul 10, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he isn't ready

Don’t call him up, period. Call up some other roster filler. But if he is at the major league level, he needs to play. It doesn’t make sense to have him rot on the bench.

It is pretty clear what Zobrist can do, within a range, and you said it. Fringe starter at best, decent backup at worst. The problem is, with a top prospect also up at the same position, Zobrist shouldn’t be starting. If we had called up roster-filler, that would be one thing. Zobrist should be the uncontested starter in that scenario. But Brignac isn’t roster-filler, he is someone in which the Rays place quite a bit of faith for the future. As such, they should be looking to utilize him in the role that furthers his development the most. In this case, that clearly isn’t in the role of major league bench player. When the person above him isn’t appreciably better, there is no reason to keep him benched.

I don’t think Brignac is ready either. In fact, I didn’t really want to see him called up. But if he is on the major league team, he needs to play. It does no one any good to waste two weeks of his time on the bench.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is he the better player right now?

I understand all of what you say and I agree. If you are a team in a playoff race and trying to win every game then you play your best player. Zobrist is better right now and thus should be playing. Especially against lefties. I don’t agree with Brignac sitting the bench, but he is clearly not ready and shouldn’t be playing just because he’s up.

by tallyray on Jul 10, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But Zobrist isn't really that much better

And I think that is where the crux of our disagreement is. I just don’t see Zobrist as appreciably better to the extent that playing him over Brignac is worth it, especially when both are bottom of the lineup fodder. Zobrist is better offensively, Brignac on defense.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Brignac is going to spend most of the time on the bench, why didn’t they just bring up Johnson or Cannizaro?

Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!

by RATW on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't understand it either

If they had brought up either of those players, I wouldn’t have a problem with Zobrist playing so frequently. Doesn’t make sense to me.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gomes > other options...

Ruggiano isn’t on the team so Jonny Gomes is better than any other option this team has right now. Hinske, Floyd, and Gross are terrible against lefties. Pena isn’t much better right now.

by tallyray on Jul 10, 2008 6:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

If Gomes is going to be here, you have to utilize him at some point. His track record against left-handed pitching would indicate that these are the types of games he should be used in.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 6:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

O/U on Rays runs 4.5

Seriously we have to score eventually, right?

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice to see our offense back in action

or not

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was a really bad half inning...

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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our Offense

it is teh suck

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Bats will come back around against the Indians

The Indians are finding the most creative ways to lose now a days. But in order for that to happen you have to swing the friggen bat. YEAH THAT MEANS YOU UPTON. Just got K’d looking. He didn’t make one swing. Why even take a bat to the plate if you are not going to use it?

by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everyone's grounding to second tonight

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate playing teams on long losing streaks

I just know there streak is gonna end against us.

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I fear Grazy Sizemore

and no one else

we better score today

nice stop by the All Star

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as a converted former Indians fan

Watch out for Kelly Shoppach too. He has some power and watch out for Peralta too.

by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn

So close…

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it was very close

if they wanted to, they could have called him out

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Almost

Longo bobbled it a little trying to get it out of his glove, but almost had Francisco anyway.

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

very very close. if he hadn’t fumbled the exchange, he would’ve gotten him by a step and a half.

by AndrewG on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

We shouldn’t call him Longo anymore. Simply call him “The All Star” goddamn I am pumped about that.

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me too.

On another note. Im still laughing about the All-star Jason Veritek.

by Thermacold on Jul 10, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Veritek should decine his All-Star spot

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is a big joke....

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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*decline

yay typing

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Karlos Pena

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FAIL

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He fought a bear and won.

But then he hurt his leg dancing after

by P Brady on Jul 10, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

http://www.durhambulls.com/team/transactions.html

July 09, 2008:
Justin Ruggiano placed on 7-Day Disabled List retroactive to 7/7, Josh Johnson assigned to Durham from Hudson Valley

Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!

by RATW on Jul 10, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

Interesting, didn’t hear about that.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Longo walk

BRING HIM HOME

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I want runs

I am not that greedy

patience from the all star. Too bad no one was watching him.

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how cool is that

2 hitts in a row that will be at the ASG

YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOO SLOW NAVARRO

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

/facepalm

We look absolutely pathetic right now

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"No one wants Bonds"

Borris says Bonds could be ready in ten days. Contenders such as the Angels, Rays, Tigers, and A’s have gotten subpar performance out of the DH spot but they’ve all decided to pass on Bonds for various reasons

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everyone wants Bonds the hitter

No one wants Bonds the media circus

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Future Ray: Casey Blake?

Well, he can’t hurt our offense. That’s all I’m saying.

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought the complaint was

Bay doesn’t play RF. This team probably needs both and then some to have a scary offense but as long as we do something cool.

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bay can't play RF

well, he can, like Hinske can, but he’s slow, bad knees and has a girly arm (although not Hinske bad).

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would Be A Good Trade

But …. I would only be willing to offer Howell and Brignac or Zobrist for him

by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you mean Hammel rather than Howell

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO

Howell goes no where.

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll, Sonny is off to a good start

He’s gonna need it with our prolific offense and all

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our hittters just think

Every SP will throw a shutout. Either that or Gabe Gross will save their ass in the 9th and they don’t have to try until then.

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ZOMG!!!! WE GOT A HIT!!!!

HOLY SHIT!!!!

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he got it.

Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!

by RATW on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OMG

OMG

OMG

WE SCORED

OMG

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CAN'T BEAT STP AND CAN'T TRADE ME

AHHAHAAHH GOMES HR

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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GOMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RUNS, YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Get rid of him!!!

Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!

by RATW on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all is forgiven

man can he hit that ball hard

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am an MLB.TV subscriber offering help

I would reccomend downloading the NexDef plugin off the MLB site. Helped me with the lag and choppiness. Don’t download the mosaic unless you want hours of frustration or your system has a high end processor and 2 gigs of ram and isn’t on a wireless connection.

by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

I found Mosaic to be extremely buggy and slow, and I dropped it.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 10, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can haz hypocryte?

GOMES FOR PRESIDENT!!!!11ONE

by kericr on Jul 10, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all is NOT forgiven

sorry…but that was one HR

by Acadien on Jul 10, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gomes

Trade him tonight. Sell High!

by TBfisherman on Jul 10, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh Gomes

everytime we are about to give up on you for good, you do something awesome. We will never let you go.

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carl walks

Wait…what?

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait this cant be

are we making Laffey work?

did crawford just get a 4 pitch walk?

man what am I on?

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it just me or ...

Does Dwayne Statts sound a little lost in the sauce tonight?

by PewterPirate55 on Jul 10, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

keep the.....

Is it a lead? I forgot what they call it when our team has more runs than the other, it’s been too long.

by joeybw on Jul 10, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It has been like 3 days

people need to chill the fuck out

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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not the losing streak

It’s the continuation of a season long batting slump. You can’t win with pitching only. Eventually Boston will overtake us – they are a complete team.

by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is not a fan

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It doesn't matter RJ

We are competing with the Red Sox, not the Royals.

Red Sox vs Rays -

Runs 478 vs 425
OBP 355 vs 339
SLG 450 vs 417

It’s not even close

by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our pitching doesn't make up the gap

Run Differential 91 vs 56 in favor of Red Sox

Hey, if you think there isn’t a problem here, then fine. Let’s just keep hitting like we hit.

by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I sure am glad hitting is only one part of the game.

And that you took into account how Fenway is a hitters park and the Trop is a pitchers park.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Park Factor

doesn’t account for run differential

by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scoring more runs in a positive

scoring environment doesn’t account for more runs?

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Read the damn post

Run differential cannot be explained by the park. They hold teams down, don’t they? They’ve only given up 387 runs this season.

by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But it does account

for why we haven’t scored more runs.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you know what run differential is?

It’s Runs scored – Runs allowed. That’s all that matters. Who cares if your defense is great if you lose 3-2, or your hitting is great if you lose 9-8?

Boston is more complete team because of their lineup. They have pitching too, and definitely a better closer situation. Until we add a true middle of the lineup guy, we cannot hope to hold them off.

by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They have a more balanced offense, sure.

But the Tampa Bay pitching staff is far superior.

by BrianL on Jul 10, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Especially our bullpen.

Our middle relief is a lot better.

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by JMB on Jul 10, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TWSS

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by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep you're right

He’s freaking awesome. Best center fielder ever. Let’s bat him cleanup too so he can hit twice in the lineup.

by RayFanNY on Jul 10, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glover for CF

kthx

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Justin!

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 10, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is almost as good as the idea of Bonds!#%!$!

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Jul 10, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs