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Street/Murton? Probably Not...

Mos-def-the-ecstatic_tiny by R.J. Anderson on Comment 393 comments

Yes, I'm totally piggybacking off of this fanshot because I haven't been around for the last 12 or so hours, but as you can imagine the idea of landing Huston Street and Matt Murton in one deal very soon excites me very, very much.

Those two make a ton of sense for the Rays, and let me just list my points here:

1) Huston freaking Street! Relief ace, 24 years old, two more years under team control. His name is Huston Street! Frankly I may giggle from excitement if we do land him for quite a while.

2)  I really, really, really like Huston Street.

3) Murton makes a ton of sense.

4) STREET!

5) The idea of this deal makes too much sense.

6) HUSTON STREET!

 

That is all until we find out more.

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I think the Rays Organization is undervaluing Niemann...

2 years of some MLB time….guy will be a top 3 starter for most teams

Mound Visit

by Mound Visit on Jul 11, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

But wouldn’t you be happy to get Street/Murton at that cost?

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunno....

I watched the Cardinal’s trade away Harren for Mark Mulder….look how that worked out for everybody

A’s have always left a bad taste in my mouth after that.

Mound Visit

by Mound Visit on Jul 11, 2008 2:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope it happens

and it looks as if we wouldnt have to sell the farm considering what the A’s got for Harden

Blake
USF--Class of '09

by usfraysfan on Jul 11, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Street sure, Murton, why?

He hits 60% of his balls in play on the ground and has 15 XBH in 231 at bats this year. That is not going to help produce any runs. The best thing I can say about him is that he makes a lot of contact but he’d have to hit 7th or 8th in the lineup because he’d be a double play machine if he hit up in the 2 hole where most high contact hitters live.

by Jason Collette on Jul 11, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What stats are you looking at?

Mine show only 40 AB’s for Murton this year

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 1:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

combine AAA and Maj

fangraphs.com

you can go to minorleaguesplits.com to get G/L/F for his work in AAA. 109 GB out of 169 total balls in play

by Jason Collette on Jul 11, 2008 1:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Minor league #'s?

If so, I’ll put more stock in what he’s shown at the major league level. Lou Pinella did a really good job at making Upton look like a scrub as well…Don’t discount the ‘messsin with the head’ factor here.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 1:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In 870 major league at bats

56% GB rate. Unless you are a speedy, those are not good numbers for a corner outfielder position. They’re Delmon Young like – which is why he was below replacement level last year.

If Murton were here, he’d be hitting out of the 8 hole platooning with Gross/Hinske in RF.

by Jason Collette on Jul 11, 2008 1:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Based on his l/r splits

Against lefties, he’s Delmon Young with a higher average and more power (about .80 points of OPS higher)

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 1:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He has always been a GB hitter

2006 – 455 major league at bats – 56% GB; 2.4 G/F
2007 – 235 major league at bats – 47% GB, 1.2 G/F – and still slugged lower than he did in 2006.

Murton has always made solid contact and has been double digit walk rate for his career. Something in his approach has always generated more grounders than flyballs and because he isn’t fast enough to take advantage of it, it has resulted in a rather pedestrian major league career when given the chance.

by Jason Collette on Jul 11, 2008 1:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need a bat, not an arm

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Jul 11, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Street >>> Fuentes, Others

I like Fuentes, but given a bullpen that already has depth, a lights-out ace is much more valuable than another 3.75 ERA guy.

What’s the outlook on Street’s health?

Is the consensus that Murton is still an above-average corner outfielder?

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 11, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll try and get confirmation

But didn’t someone say Olney confirmed it?

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cartman: Butters, do you think 9/11 was just a plot by some angry terrorists, or do you think there was some kind of coverup?
Butters: Well, I heard that 9/11 was caused by President Bush.
Cartman: Aha! Do you see?
Kyle: Where did you hear that??
Butters: [points] From Eric.
Cartman: I rest my case.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 1:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope

None of the usual suspects have it, and I even did a google news search.

by rglass44 on Jul 11, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What do we think Hinske will do the rest of the way?

.262/.354/.520 first half, which seems to be backed up by the batted ball numbers. But he’s never had an OPS+ above 120 before and owns a career 101 OPS+. Murton’s better than Hinske’s 2008 projection (and can play defense), but if Hinske has made real changes, he deserves the at-bats.

Best case scenario might be to acquire Murton with Street and flip Hinske.

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 11, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why again is anyone excited about Murton?

he was never that amazing in the minors, and thoroughly dissapointed in his ML stint this year. why is he in any way an upgrade over anything we’ve got/could easily get?

by davidsmarch on Jul 11, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how does he make sense?

if make sense=can play outfield, then yes he makes sense. but there are much better options out there. hell, baldelli is probably a better option.

by davidsmarch on Jul 11, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ted Williams is a better option

But he’s not going to step on the field, either.

Murton hits lefties, has a better pre-2008 offensive track record, and plays better defense. Those are the pluses. I agree they aren’t huge.

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 11, 2008 2:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so combine Murton and Gross and we have one very complete player?

is that what we’re going for? no thanks.

nothing against the platoon, but if we’re trading for a RF, i’d rather he be an every day player.

by davidsmarch on Jul 11, 2008 2:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trading for a platoon player..

That does his job well, combined with another platoon player that does his job well…well, you dont have to give up as much in a trade, and in the end, get similar value.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where is Bobr when you need him?

If this trade goes through, I’d love to hear his $.02.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 2:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm guessing BobR has some sort of current/past baseball affiliation...

Whether as a scout or something else, dude knows what he is talking about. He is one of the reasons I joined this site. Just one, RJ…Just one…

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stalk much?

I actually was going to reply with that.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who would win an argument..

Will Hunting(Matt Damon) or BobR on the evolution of the market economy in the Southern colonies. How do you like them apples.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RJ...

How’s this for a college infield. Cannizaro at SS, Utley at 2nd, and Garret Atkins at 1B. We had a solid squad.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 3:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh yeah...

And Dane Sardinha catching. He’s not much now, but was a stud in college. Yeah, decent team.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No...

Unfortunately not. My minor league career crapped out quickly with shoulder problems. In fact, I probably played with better player in the Cape Cod League then in the early level of pro ball.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, I didn't know that.

But yeah, there didn’t appear to be that much talent on your team.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to sound racist...

But there were 2 mammoth black dudes that were both Lefties in the League. I remember one was with the Pirates and I am blanking on his name. He dropped bombs as well.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha...

It was brutal. The Marlins said the catchers werent allowed to spot up, and had to set up over the middle EVERY pitch. Totally messed me up because I was a location guy. Long story short…I sucked that year.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay...

so the year before they switched to Jamestown. I know alot of the guys who came through there a couple years after you.

Boom. Outta Here.

by WillisDaddy on Jul 11, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew a couple Jammers from 2001..

Kevin Brown from Miami was the one I knew pretty well. Utica was a brutal city to play for.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...

my buddy played at Y-D too. I know Hermida, Mitchell, Schade, Jai Miller.

Boom. Outta Here.

by WillisDaddy on Jul 11, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yarmouth Dennis?

I played there in 1998…Where was Schade from?

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Western Carolina

his brother played at Auburn.

Boom. Outta Here.

by WillisDaddy on Jul 11, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew that name sounded familiar...

I think one of my best friends knows him. Did he coach, or ever go to VMI?

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 4:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think...

the brothers are doing instruction now.

Boom. Outta Here.

by WillisDaddy on Jul 11, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I faced him at Western

I had forgotten about him…just looked at an old boxscore. He only played there 1 yr.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm outta here...

I’ve got a date with happy hour at MacD’s

Boom. Outta Here.

by WillisDaddy on Jul 11, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No shit...

That’s my stomping grounds…we’ll have to grab a beer sometime

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If that's your stomping grounds we probably already have

I’ve lived down in that area for about 6 years

Boom. Outta Here.

by WillisDaddy on Jul 11, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm about the same...

Sometime we’ll have to get some beers

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They were trying to develop...

Power pitchers. And they wanted them to be aggressive and throw strikes. I guess it made sense for the young kids out of hs, but I was fresh out of college and much further along, plus I didnt bring a lot of heat so it killed me. Not too mention the other teams knew we were doing it. Dick Williams son, Bob, was the Director of Player Development and he made sure we did it. I didnt think the league wasall that tough. I actually thought the Cape was more difficult then the NYP, but them’s the breaks I guess. It was a dumbass philosophy though.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To a degree...

I would think only for kids straight out of hs, or some of the Latin guys. Otherwise, it sucked for me. My first 2 outings I had 5 perfect innings. But me and the catcher(Lovelady) both had gotten there late and didnt know about this philosophy. They promptly informed us and my season went to shit real quick.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know

I am sad a catcher named Lovelady never made it to the bigs.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm surprised you dont remember him...

He was the catcher at Miami with HUGE chops, and they were in the World Series every year, and he was their face. ESPN would show him constantly. He wasnt very good, but great guy that is coaching college ball in Ohio now.
But yes, outstanding name.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually...

I just realized Howard played for Batavia that year. I am scouring my memory banks. I think I may have faced him.

by td32 on Jul 11, 2008 3:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I broke my collarbone in a hockey game up in Batavia

That town sucks

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 11, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Platoon him with Gross

How does that not make sense?

Also Murton’s EqA is higher than Baldelli’s and doesn’t have a mysterious illness.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2008 2:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thoroughly dissapointed?

He has only started 6 games this year. I don’t see how he could have thoroughly done anything.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 2:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Short list of rappers that are much, much better

Talib Kweli
Jurassic 5
Mr. Lif
Living Legends (esp. Murs)
The Roots
Immortal Technique

Just not a fan of mainstream pop garbage…sue me

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 2:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Roots suck, IMO

Ever listened to Illmatic? Greatest rap album ever. No Wu-Tang? I’m surprised you didn’t say Jedi Mind Tricks I always lump them in with that group you listed.

by rglass44 on Jul 11, 2008 2:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Illmatic, and still play it from time to time

But Nas started to suck when he became self-aware. And I’m not as big a fan of Jedi Mind Tricks

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In the same vein

Reasonable Doubt was an awesome album as well…They both got overproduced over time. Not every rap has to have a well known beat ripped…Originality made them who they were, and they both lost a lot of that over time.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And don't knock the Roots till you see their live show

Something to be said for playing music live as opposed to rapping over a glorified Ipod

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seen it

Sucked. On stage for 30 mins. No showmanship. It blew.

by rglass44 on Jul 11, 2008 2:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

Knew I was forgetting someone. Tried not to be too superflous. One of my pet peeves is when people list multiple favorite groups which are really the same people…I.E. ‘My favorite musice is Phish, Mike Gordon, Trey Anastasio’ etc.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 3:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't forget Vida Blue

Saw them at the Philmore West in San Fran. Great show…

by rglass44 on Jul 11, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish there was more literature on this.

but the deals that happen are often the ones that are least talked about.

So… I would really, really like for this to go down.

by Vin on Jul 11, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

btw, Fuck Jason Bay:
  1. Fresh Jason Bay rumors: the D’Backs and Cardinals are in pursuit. The Mets and Rays have kicked the tires as well. Heyman believes the Pirates want Emilio Bonifacio from the D’Backs, and maybe Colby Rasmus from the Cards. At any rate, the price will be steep with Bay signed for ‘09.

by P Brady on Jul 11, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unrelated and Just in:

David Wright replaces Soriano for the NL all-stars.

by kericr on Jul 11, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is that Burrell's fifth strike?

1. fans
2. players
3. manager
4. fans again
5. whoever just picked DWright over him (not that DWright shouldn’t be an All-Star)

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 11, 2008 2:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He'll wear that curse to his grave

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 11, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In

Also, a Pat the Bat fan.

My friend from Philly swears he saw him get in his yellor Hummer w/ a dude and get a BJ from him on the road.

by rglass44 on Jul 11, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

That’s a pretty harsh accusation for a sports figure. I think in their world its less damaging to your rep to be caught with a 16 y/o girl (Insert Clemens joke)

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 3:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IIRC

Towers has played the role of buyer at strange times in the past

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When they acquired Giles

They were 5 games back on 8/26 (in a 3 team race), with little real chance of overtaking both the Giants and Dodgers to win the West.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well they did win a pair of division titles

But it was in the worst division in baseball, and they could have done it easier with Bay

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The guy who really got screwed

Was Oliver Perez. Methinks going to Pittsburgh killed what could have been an awesome career

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 11, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright, I call shenanigans.

I can’t find anything else on this. There’s nothing on every A’s fansite I’ve checked and nothing on MLBTR.

Lame.

SaberToothedPie: Did you personally heard the A’s radio broadcasters say that about Street, or did somebody tell you they said it?

by Vin on Jul 11, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My friend who follows the A's.

PLEASE BELIEVE ME, I’M NOT MAKING IT UP

by P Brady on Jul 11, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aw dude, I'm not calling you a liar

I just wanted to know if this was thirdhand news…

by Vin on Jul 11, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed.

Not like you’re a new troll, or at least new.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sure it went like this:

Radio Guy: “Huston Street may be cleaning out his locker soon as Buster Olney is reporting that the A’s want to trade Murton and possibly Street to the Padres or Rays.”

Your Friend: “Huston Street may be cleaning out his locker soon as Buster Olney is reporting that the A’s want to trade Murton and possibly Street to the Padres or Rays.”

by Vin on Jul 11, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again, I'm not calling you out or anything

But thirdhand news, especially when it stems from what someone heard with his/her own ears, is usually bullshit.

by Vin on Jul 11, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reputation destroyed.

Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!

by RATW on Jul 11, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, they're refrencing here and Atlhetics Nation

Because DRaysBay is the paramount of up-to-date breaking Rays news.

No offense.

by kericr on Jul 11, 2008 3:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah,

Tommy says “according to several reputable blogs including DRaysbay and Athletics Nation”

I gotta say, I have no idea what these other reputable blogs are.

by Vin on Jul 11, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's see what else we can get put up

The Rays just entered talks to trade Reid Brignac and Ryan Royster for Hanley Ramirez and Mark Hendrickson.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 11, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I heard they were looking to Sign Bonds

And trade him to the Yankees for A-Rod and Mariano Rivera.

by kericr on Jul 11, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Makes sense

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 11, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My friend told me who heard it over the phone while talking to some guy who was on the street and someone said it passing by

who said he read it on an internal memo for the marketing company he worked for who happens to have an advertising deal with the Rays.

It’s more etched in stone then the ten commandments.

by kericr on Jul 11, 2008 3:54 PM EDT