7/24: RAYS (59-41) at Kansas City (45-57)
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 25, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
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PrintTampa Bay Rays at Kansas City Royals, Jul 24, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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Pitching Matchup:
| IP | ERA | + | K/9 | BB/9 | K/BB | HR/9 | OPS | WHIP | G/F | P/IP | ||
| RAYS | RH M. Garza |
110.0 | 3.68 | 113 | 6.14 | 2.70 | 2.27 | 0.90 | .657 | 1.20 | 1.04 | 16.23 |
| KC | RH G. Meche |
126.2 | 4.55 | 95 | 6.68 | 3.06 | 2.19 | 0.99 | .740 | 1.35 | 0.97 | 17.29 |
GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is a big series...
Need to shit all over the Royals, while the Sox and Yanks beat each other up.
We're fucked. We're bent over a stump and fucked. Live on the giant new HD Jumbotron at Kauffman.
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I'm taking sarcasm to the extreme here.
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That thing is pre-Internet
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
O/U 15 times SRQ is banned in the game thread?
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Under...
I won’t be here.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
I haven't seen that in a long time...it was missed
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I love the early gameday thread....
i wish the gameday threads started at 8am…that way it’s almost like a message board
9 = 8
line up
Iwamura, 2b
Upton, cf
Crawford, lf
Longoria, 3b
Pena, 1b
Floyd, DH
Navarro, c
Hinske, rf
Bartlett, ss
I really like
the moves at the top of the lineup by Maddon. It makes me feel better that it is L-R-L-R-L-R, rather than three out of the first four being left. Also, even though BJ has struggled with the bat over the last month his OBP is still great and with the dip in power makes more sense for him to be higher.
Also
Got that info from the heater and they had another post about Price pitching last night
allowing seven hits (including a homer) and three runs (two earned) over six innings. He also walked two and struck out six and didn’t get a decision as the Biscuits lost in the 10th inning.
and a comment that espn.com had reported the Bucs lowered the price for Nady.
why arent the rays interested in George Sherill, he has veteran experience and could really help our bullpen in late inning games…the O’s are looking for a shortstop and Reid Brignac would be a great give up for a quality bullpen player now
The O's dislike dealing inner-division.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
it's funny, sherrill isnt' worth brignac yet the O's would expect more
it’s almost never worth trading for a guy with more than 10 career saves
The O's dislike trading players from average teams
On the oft-chance they could become competitive in the future
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Sherril's got a career K/BB just over two and is an extreme flyball pitcher
he’s gotten away with not giving up a lot of homers in the past because he’s faced more than his fare share of lefties. he’s been exposed this year as a full-inning guy.
And you'd likely give up twice as much
To get a street
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever
Wheeler isnt the problem in our bullpen, and if we could get another guy who produces like he has we should consider ourselves lucky
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
our problem is not having a bullpen ace.
the fact that we don’t have a good #4 or #5 reliever is much less pressing.
2 things
1. Yes, the need for bullpen depth is pressing. Case in point the other night while down 3-1 to Oakland, Maddon had to choose between using Howell on back-to-back nights, or ceding the loss….He chose the latter.
2. Wheeler has been very effective this year. If you’re projecting Street into the future, of course he will be better. But Wheeler has done just as well this year, and doesn’t play in a park with 9.5 miles of foul ground (Oakland has been a pitchers park for years)
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Calling Wheeler #4 OR #5
Is an insult
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i wasn't calling wheeler a 4 or 5, nor infering he was the problem (although he is a bit overrated right now)
he’s probably a 3 league-wide and currently #3 on the Rays
1/2 Howell/Balfour (still don’t know if Balfour’s for real real or just for real)
3 Wheeler
4 Percival
can you elaborate on the situation in #1? thanks.
and to get snarky about #2, I thought the editors of this site outlawed using reliever ERA or quoting half-year stats…
I didn't use ERA
His WHIP is lower as well. And if you can look past a miserable ‘07 you will see Wheeler has been a highly effective reliever for years…most of it done in the Houston bandbox.
Howell was warming in the pen the inning before Miller came into the game. Not coincidentally, the Rays had runners on base. As soon as the potential to tie or bring the game within a run ended, he sat Howell and proceeded to warm up Miller. The rest is history, as he had Miller try and work in a non-loogy situation and fail miserably.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
totaly agree
with the depth of the pen…when I was watching the game I thought the same thing.
"I didn't use ERA. His WHIP is lower as well." -- no thanks
in 2005/2006, Wheeler’s K/BB was about 9/3; this year (i know) it’s 6/3. he’s also giving up more flyballs which will lead to more homeruns. his BABIP this year is .180—thanks defense. his FIP and xFIP are both around 4.50. Street’s 2008 K/BB is 9/2.5 and he’s been a bit unlucky in the HR/FB department. His xFIP and FIP are about 3.50.
in that situation, you’re saying the Rays were down two or three with a couple innings left? the difference between a crappy pitcher and a really good one in that situation is not as large as the difference between a good reliever and a great one in a really important situation (couple of runners on with a one-run lead in the ninth, for example.)
They were down 2
with 9 outs left.
And for the record, Percy/Howell/Wheeler/Balfour have blown a combined 3 saves between them this year (Zero for Wheeler), so it seems the Rays have more of a problem letting the game getting out of hand, than they do protecting small leads.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I responded to the wrong thread
Was supposed to be a response to GomesSweetGomes’s comment to wanting another Wheeler.
Then Al Reyes is Ma-Ti
Ma-Ti is the most compassionate and sensitive of the Planeteers, yet also very insecure and sometimes prone to childish or impulsive actions, like when he allowed his rage to consume him when his village was almost wiped away.
Al might not be able to get anyone out, but DAMNIT, he has HEART!
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I remember hearing that they didn't want to trade him
because they don’t really have anyone available to fill his role.
Honest opinions....you think we are going to make any trades
We have a week left and I really don’t feel like they are going to make a move. You have Price who could come up later on and pitch so they dont HAVE to do something in the pen or even the back of the rotation and it seems like the price for a bat is to high.
I think we make minor trades on 7/31
But I’d be shocked if we made any sort of a splash
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather the Rays keep the big gun prospects intact. If that means no moves, so be it. But if they don’t make a move, oh man, there will be some angry folks doing a lot of second guessing and armchair GM’ing.
Sternfan1 has a week to prepare his ranting material. Don’t fail me.
Longlorious.
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well shoot they need to make a splash! gomes and gross arent cutting it for me…i went to two of three a’s games and neither gomes nor gross did anything special…gomes especially! the only thing good he did was hit a homerun…im actually over pena too….he either hits big or doesnt hit at all
I hate using a three game sample size
But Gomes had a very good Oakland series: .400 .571 1.000
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He was responding to the initial post
Which used the most recent series as an example
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
and the bad year is still only a 97 OPS+
and the 155 PAs of a bad year shouldn’t put a ginormous dent in Gomes’ track record (which isn’t studly, I realize)
Then tell that to Rays44
Not RJ….He even tempered his post by saying ‘I hate using a three game sample size’. Are you more interested in talking baseball or playing ‘gotcha’?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't like it was some grand insult.
Chill out guy. I just think you can mention OBP and OPS all you want but nothing makes up for an AVG under .200
I didnt consider it an insult
Just a sign that you needed to read through the post before twisting RJ’s words
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
you know what I love
hearing people on the radio say that the presence Gomes brings to the club house is worthy enough of keeping him around.
Well the guys in radio/tv
Arent paid to be objective anymore. Ask Steve Stone
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
His batting average is sub .200
Not that it means too much.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant guys on sports radio calling in
should have clarified
I'll agree that it's not as important as ESPN thinks
but I still think it means something when the guy can’t get a hit 1/5 times at the plate.
Not if he can get on base 3.5/10 times
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Everyone relax. Soon Jarrod Washburn is going to be the Yanks #4 starter.
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by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We're going to get dominated
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I can't see them being able to continue winning
there staff is horrible and really the lineup doesn’t produce that well either. Jeter is having a down year and now George is hurt as well.
Gathright is on the DL. That hurts …. the Rays.
Why the Royals continue to have Gathright, Pena and Gload on their roster is beyond my understanding. It’s almost like watching the LaMar era D’Rays all over again.
Longlorious.
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Throws in the low-90's with sink
Potential 60 fastball
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We need to start winning games on the road
This is a big road trip for us. Let’s get it done, and let the Yankees and Red Sox beat up on each other.
MVP = CC
I’m gonna do this until he actually has a good game
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Did CC start talking to BJ?
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CC worked the count!
Even though he swung at ball 4, that was nice.
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Oh my heavens
how is John Buck a catcher still?
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Credit that...Keith Law
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Take out Crown Vision, Carlos
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31 pitch inning
It would be nice to get to this bullpen early after that Tigers series
It took 2 2/3 IP
for Sabathia to get to 31 pitches last night
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
KC is the worst team in the majors.
Ignoring records.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
DeJesus is good though
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Aki doesn't have good range
And I mega-loathe RF Hinske
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I mega-loathe RF Hinske
And Aki doesn’t have great range, but he sure does turn a double play well.
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It's the 2nd inning, you're far to angry
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Bartlett's offense sucks.
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You are a ginger, like SRQ
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I talked to him last night when he was in Vegas at 2 AM.
He was eating candy like a fatty.
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My time. He IMed me. It was weird.
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Because of him I now have T-Beck's email
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Because of him we have pics of Patrick with chinchillas.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Which again, is creepy.
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How about we get a couple of baserunners with less than 2 outs
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Whoa
Was that a break?
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Let's try this again Carlos.
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The sweat went through the Dri-fit under shirt.
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Who the eff is Tyler Walker?
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Dear Rays
You do not have to wait until 2 outs to put someone on the bases.
Sincerely
Your Fucking Slump
It's early
don’t be so angry. Today’s a good day.
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Today I didn't even have to use my A.K. I got to say it was a good day.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it's good that I'm not your friend.
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So if they quote Ice Cube from Friday it's all good?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
My friends Tyler and Malcolm OK with quoting Ice Cube in movies (note, I’ve started a completely obscure new joke here. 500 points if you get it).
I only quote
Scrubs, Out Cold and Katt Williams. Although, this makes up 90% of my speech on a day to day basis.
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This is hyperbole I suppose.
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“It’s called the ‘80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground.”
That's the jacuzzi
Casanova right there. They call him that, cause he got his helmut stuck in the hot tub, lovin it strong!
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Did I ever tell you about the time I invented snowboarding?
Ya I don’t want credit for it but they keep on giving it to me…
"Everybody knows, nobody cares"
“Yeah, if you weren’t gay, you’d be a pretty weird dude”
“What, guys, come on. Mr. October, batting for the other team?”
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He did in fact, not swing at that pitch.
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One break begets another
But Meche is at 63 pitches already.
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This is an important question
Why do they keep putting mascot mode in NCAA Football? Why not use the time to make a decent Campus Legend mode instead?
They don't even finish games before they release them
The show has so many funky bugs in it. Even a HUGE bug from last years version they don’t even bother to fix.
They just know people will buy EA Sports games as long as sports continue to exist.
I have The Show for PS3, and 2k8 for 360
The Show definitely gets more playtime for the Road to the show mode, although i stick to 2k8 for franchise
The Show is one of the very few reasons to buy a PS3
2k8 is a below-average gameplay experience. This is one time where I wish EA was making the game.
i've probably spent more time with it then any other game
except maybe the Fuzion Frenzy demo on the Halo disc
Actually I was mistaken
The show isn’t an EA Sports game.
Even so… I enjoy it myself but it has a lot of silly little bugs.
Because Rocky The Bull goring an orangemen is hilarious
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I never got the point of having mascot teams.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i usually switch back and forth between madden and Ncaa every year
so i’ve had 07 and 09, i think 09 is a big enough improvement to pick it up
Only if you have a Wii
In which case its your only college football option
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe So
But again, its your only option for college football.
Also, I find dynasty mode, or any mode that matches me up against the computer, to be pretty boring. I either dominate 72-0 or it forces me to fumble every time i get the lead. If you plan on playing it with others (and its a Wii…HELLO!!!!) then its a good game.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
My computer AI complaints
Apply to all Madden/NCAA games across the board.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
When did $5.00 for a footlong sandwich become a good deal?
Thats a BS Subway commercial.
That Quizno's large is actually 16"
Not a footlong
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
2.50 for a Cuban.. Best bargain in town.
West Tampa Cuban beats any sandwich on Subway’s menu.
Why is it everytime we wear throw backs Its a St. Pete team throw back?
I swear all the marketing ect.. Is geared around St. Pete. (I cant wait until Tampa approves a $1B retractable roof stadium. We can eat Cubans and have young people at the game.
How about you go fuck yourself you dirty tampon whore
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How about all of you guys stop bitching, drive across the bridges, and come to the Trop?
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This GEICO/Warren Wallce commercial
Never really gets old….Well, ok it does, but it still makes me smile every once in a while
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
The story ends with me putting him in the wall
(after the shoot) Uncle Warren, can we get some Ice Cream?
Imagine this..
Hot Florida sun .. Half naked Chicks, Young College girls and 30 somethings… Cuban Sandwiches. .. No Blue Hairs. No Lazy Cowbell artificial noise. It would be like Wrigley. Retractable roof. Thats Baseball in a big boy city like Tampa.
With less shootings and overall shittiness
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That umpire was really pumped up about that
strike out call.
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I sit in Barbershops on Saturdays..
Word is Yankees are Tampa’s team and Rays are St. Pete’s team. They will all switch once Tampa gets their team back. Removing the team from St. Pete is the final shoe that we are suffering from during the Naimoli regime. I am not of that opinion, But I believe Tampa is the draw.
I believe this is a tired argument and they can just drive the 30 fucking minutes
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Nobody is driving to St. Pete.. Its a Hell hole. Stadium sucks. EVERYBODY OUTSIDE OF ST.PETE KNOWS THIS!
I love the team but I aing driving from Wesley Chappel. This aint NY.
I'm curious
When did Tampa have a baseball team before? Wouldn’t that be a pre-req for getting its team back?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And if you're that concerned
Talk to one of your local politicians and tell them you want them to raise your property taxes so you can field a team…much more productive than trolling, or daydreaming at your barber shop
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I live in Tampa and have an explanation
The people who live here are giant blubbering vaginas. I live in Tampa, but I’m sure as hell not from here.
T. Beckham is 2-3 with a double. Looks like he is heating up. I was worried.
2nd day in a row with a 2B.
Shouldn't be worried, it's rookie ball
Stats don’t matter at all.
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CRAWFORD IS LAZY, DIDNT DIVE
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Stop falling in love with the DPs, Garza
and throw some fucking strikes
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The Royals give Garza all kinds of problems
for whatever reason. Their lineup sucks.
www.raysbb.com
Yes, we really do have fans.
whats the word on any potential deals
isnt if we get blake and then we dont resign him after this year we get 2 picks?
He's dirty apparently
Low-90’s fastball with sink. His breaking pitch at least breaks. I didn’t see it, but from that little report, he should switch. Posnanski’s take is good:
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/23/just-say-it/
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OK
Here’s my scouting report. His fastball is currently above-average. Sits at 90, touches 91, with good lateral movement as well as sink. He would be very difficult to hit for righties. His breaking pitch is very rudimentary, more of a slurvy type pitches. Would probably have to be a slider because of the arm angle, but it did show flashes where it was tight.
If he really is serious about staying in the big leagues, he should move now. His future should be on the mound. And like Posnanski suggested, he could serve as a back-up SS as well as a utility player. This would be brilliant.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xwgu2I2p6ms
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No
The make less money than me, have to travel all the time and spend long hours in empty stadiums. Plus, I can’t evaluate hitters. I don’t understand mechanics either. Swing mechanics or pitching mechanics. What’s good? I don’t know. I can see results, but can’t see flaws.
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Jason Bartlett is our offense
Think about how sad that is
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He's been trying
but the collective fail of the other 8 fuckers in the lineup isn’t helping
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Can we replace Gary Glover with Tony Pena?
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I don't really think a ML hitting coach is that important.
The minor league coaches seem like they would have more of an effect on a player to me.
He could help in some instances
but in a case like CC’s, don’t you think his approach is more a result of his minor league development
Crawford has said he ignores what the hitting coaches tell him.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree about CC...
When Eric Chavez an elite prospect, the A’s wouldnt promote him a level in the minors unless he had a certain walk rate. He developed his patience through proper instruction. There is no instruction at the big league level, only offering to help or point out flaws.
I was watching the Angels/Red Sox game on FOX
the announcers were talking about how every player in the Angels minor league system needs to lay down a certain number of sac bunts, sac flys, etc. during each season.
RJ is crying now, you guys are such jerks
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why don't we get a real RFer to go along with longoria as our only mainstream type hitter?
You know a guy with a decent BA, good OPS, decent power…not just some base stealer that hits for no power.
whatever
point being is we need a real hitter to go along with longoria.
and crawford will never be one
that doesn’t mean he doesn’t hav ea lot of value, but the offense isn’t going to produce without guys that can DRIVE RUNNERS IN.
Getting on base means people will drive runs in.
It doesn’t take a special hitter to drive runs in.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
call it what you may
we need a 3 and/or 4 hitter. we have 1. teams do not win without having solid options at 3 and 4. we have a hole right now.
What is this, 1970?
You realize RBI’s mean nothing right?
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Do you realize the ability to get base hits and extra bats hits are worth something?
I’m not talking about counting rbis or comparing them across teams. I’m talking about the ability to drive runners in. As in hit a home run. As in hit a double with a man on first. I’m not concerned about the actual numbers, but more about the skill set to move men multiple bases.
So you're not concerned about B.J. then.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as he isn't hitting 3rd or 4th then he can keep up what he is doing
But that still leaves a hole in the Rays line up.
You seem to put way too much emphasis on the slot.
But at least you’re not ignorant to B.J.’s talent.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
SRQ got some slot last night at 2 AM
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You'd unbox me, and re-box him though.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
There's too many boxes in this conversation
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There are never to many boxes in a conversation
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That was too angry, boxed
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Huston Street cleaned out his box dudes!
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Huston street can't handle the box
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I was using real players you box head.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone is really going to get boxed
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by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You just got boxed for a technical fowl.
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I'd box you right back
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Perhaps so
But even still we need a hitter that can hit 40 doubles and 35 home runs. Uptons role is the guy that gets on base. We need another player to hit him in.
Tim Beckham and Billy Beane's middle names are also Lamar
My first son will have that middle name.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What is going on here?
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he has 6 home runs...
he is not a middle of the order bat right now..
He's not batting in the middle of the order right now.
He has a .390 OBP.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah exactly...
thats why i said we need to go get a bat that can hit in the middle of the order. bj does not belong there. that is exactly what ive been saying.
just like carl
bj has value, but they are not middle of the order bats. bj has the potential to develop into one (carl doesn’t), but he isn’t at this point in time.
You acted like B.J. isn't a good bat, that is wrong.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No I didn't
I said he wasn’t a middle of the order bat. BJ would be an excellent lead off hitter. Heck Grady Sizemore was not a middle of the order bat at the start of his career and he was a great lead off man. And now he has developed the skills to hit in the middle of the order. It would not surprise me to see BJ follow the same path.
And futher more,
when did he demand to bat in the middle of the order? He’s not a prima donna like CC. If CC got moved to the 7 hole to “take some pressure off” like Bossman was, he would have flipped out.
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I was comparing their abilities right now to hit in the middle of the order
I’m fully aware BJ is a better baseball player with a better attitude.
There are no words for this...
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He's the one who told Delmon how fucking stupid he was in the Bulls clubhouse post-bat throw.
B.J. is a leader in his own right because he does shit on the field.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He got picked off
And then chased him down in fact after bat gate.
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What? You want him to smile more?
You know nothing about his interaction with his teammates. How can you form an opinion on his leadership?
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CC smiles all the time but that doesn't make him a poor influence and a terrible Outfielder/HJitter/Everything
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I couldnt disagree more...
Are you in the locker room or do you watch BJ at all other then when the camera is on him? I see him in the dugout enjoying himself quite often.
Oh and this guy is a former
professional ball player.
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so who's going to see Stepbrothers tomorrow?
maybe if we change the subject and stop paying attention they’ll score
Andrew Friedman
please do something about this shit without trading davis, price, or hellickson
9 = 8
Australians are good at baseball. Who knew?
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Dohmann is doing well himself
I wonder if the same thing happened to him
He doesn't juice anymore
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Without it, he might have been Tony Pena Jr.
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True story
In 3rd grade, I modeled my batting stance after Dave Martinez. Maybe that’s why I turned out to be a no hit, no field SS/3B.
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I think he might be
Which is why the Yankees had his bat confiscated
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
First time posting..
Hello I just signed up, and wanted to make a few comments, first of all I’m very disappointed with the offense, some players are being over selective on pitches and others are not being selective enough. Longoria and Iwamura are our toughest outs. The biggest disappointment this season has been B.J Upton, and Crawford is right on his heels.
Garza had a poor night, but its nice to have Bartlett back.
The Rays need to add a bat or two A.S.A.P, and Floyd and Gomes need to be traded or sent down.
Just my opinion
The biggest disappointment this season has been B.J Upton, and Crawford is right on his heels.
How is Upton a bigger disappointment than Crawford?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Upton is a better player
Expectations…that is what I think at least.
Crawford has fallen way shorter of our expectations than Upton.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Not mine
Either way it is pointless to argue about who is sucking more relative to their expectations
You are insane.
Carl is 14% worse than other big leaguers in OPS, BJ is 13% better. How can Carl be living up to your expectations more than B.J. unless you think Carl is a below average player?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
More like a specialty player
Average OPS and a zillion SBs to boost his value
Compared to his own standards or to league standards?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm...in this case I suppose I can see your point. Very well then.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
While I think BJ has fallen short of my expectations moreso than Carl I also think BJ has more of an excuse. I personally think BJ is hurt or his injured shouldered altered his mechanics. I think that is the cause for his drop, and that is understandable. However I think CCs problem is more about attitude and preparation.
Exactly
Gomes isn’t our problem. Our problem is the top of our order sucks vs lefties.
One series doesn't make up for a year of poor performance
Our offense clearly has more than one problem, and Gomes is on the list somewhere.
Agree that one series doesn't make up for a year of poor performance
And I’m not a huge Gomes fan either, but we’ve waited this long for him to come around. Why not wait a little longer?
He's going to turn it around, but I'm not sure to what amount.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He is simply a back up outfielder
He is a good solid guy to have off the bench as a power bat. What we need are our everyday players to start producing everyday.
He's a fine platoon player when he's producing.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even care about the platoon
I like him as an 8th or 9th inning option as a PHer.
I'm all for giving him the rest of the year, only because the other options don't seem too appealing.
If he doesn’t have a stellar second half, he better be replaced.
Welcome Pete
Never speak poorly of Upton again.
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You should call in and give your valuable opinion
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I don't do radio.
My analysis doesn’t translate over. I mean, if I’m quoting BABIP how do I say that? “Bab-ip” “Ba-bip”?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I had one for 8 months....working on something bigger/better now...
I’ll fill you in when it goes down….
Then you'd have to explain it
It would get very complicated.
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And you'd have to state the league average almost everytime.
It’s just sticky.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Does he?
I cant listen to him when he talks baseball…it is the worst. You would kill yourself with his takes….
He's linked here
Of course it’s one thing to read here, it’s another to take something from whatever is presented.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like it's gonna come down to Barty with the bases loaded, 2 outs, 9th inning
Game winning grand slam for sure.
I strongly dislike Hinske
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No, he pulled a Hinske
He’s every bit as bad, without an arm.
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Or hell RUGGGGIANOOOOOOOOOOO
But I’ve been saying that for a year without progress.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This is an upgrade in RF
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Bendix has said Blake is average to above average in RF.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't believe him
But I could be wrong. I’ll have to research it more.
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Evan is a beast of a man
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ik but I hope we can do something to prevent mets-syndrome
by EminenceFront on Jul 24, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm warming up to it
Anything to get us out of this funk
by EminenceFront on Jul 24, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Worry about the Yankee's
We’re not winning the division…I’m pretty sure of this.
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Sorry, but I don't think one player is going to change this offense
If the CC and Pena don’t start performing
We could stick with the lineup we have and see what happens, but if we do that we have no chance of playoffs this years IMO.
I just don’t see the Rays spending big money in the off-season on free agents, so making a trade now would probably bode well for a wild card challenge, no trade no chance IMO.
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