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Around SBN: The Ten Worst Swings Of The 2011 Season

7/24: RAYS (59-41) at Kansas City (45-57)

Tampa Bay Rays at Kansas City Royals, Jul 24, 2008 8:10 PM EDT


RAYS at Kansas City

8:10; RAYS TV/ION
RAYS RADIO/1250 AM

Pitching Matchup:


IP ERA + K/9 BB/9 K/BB HR/9 OPS WHIP G/F P/IP
RAYS RH M. Garza
110.0 3.68 113 6.14 2.70 2.27 0.90 .657 1.20 1.04 16.23
KC RH G. Meche
126.2 4.55 95 6.68 3.06 2.19 0.99 .740 1.35 0.97 17.29

GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This is a big series...

Need to shit all over the Royals, while the Sox and Yanks beat each other up.

by td32 on Jul 24, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

We're fucked. We're bent over a stump and fucked. Live on the giant new HD Jumbotron at Kauffman.

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

WTF?

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jul 24, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm taking sarcasm to the extreme here.

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That thing is pre-Internet

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

MVP: Longo

I am calling 2 long balls tonight

by Dbullsfan on Jul 24, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Longo Balls*

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

MVP: GARZA

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

O/U 15 times SRQ is banned in the game thread?

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Under...

I won’t be here.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Jul 24, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Box'd

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

line up

Iwamura, 2b
Upton, cf
Crawford, lf
Longoria, 3b
Pena, 1b
Floyd, DH
Navarro, c
Hinske, rf
Bartlett, ss

by JRays on Jul 24, 2008 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

BARTY!

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like

the moves at the top of the lineup by Maddon. It makes me feel better that it is L-R-L-R-L-R, rather than three out of the first four being left. Also, even though BJ has struggled with the bat over the last month his OBP is still great and with the dip in power makes more sense for him to be higher.

by JRays on Jul 24, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

Got that info from the heater and they had another post about Price pitching last night

allowing seven hits (including a homer) and three runs (two earned) over six innings. He also walked two and struck out six and didn’t get a decision as the Biscuits lost in the 10th inning.

and a comment that espn.com had reported the Bucs lowered the price for Nady.

by JRays on Jul 24, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

A RHP we can get to

Like to see a big inning or two, and some jacks from Pena.

by kurby on Jul 24, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

why arent the rays interested in George Sherill, he has veteran experience and could really help our bullpen in late inning games…the O’s are looking for a shortstop and Reid Brignac would be a great give up for a quality bullpen player now

by RAYS44 on Jul 24, 2008 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Sherril's got a career K/BB just over two and is an extreme flyball pitcher

he’s gotten away with not giving up a lot of homers in the past because he’s faced more than his fare share of lefties. he’s been exposed this year as a full-inning guy.

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 24, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever

Wheeler isnt the problem in our bullpen, and if we could get another guy who produces like he has we should consider ourselves lucky

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

our problem is not having a bullpen ace.

the fact that we don’t have a good #4 or #5 reliever is much less pressing.

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 24, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 things

1. Yes, the need for bullpen depth is pressing. Case in point the other night while down 3-1 to Oakland, Maddon had to choose between using Howell on back-to-back nights, or ceding the loss….He chose the latter.
2. Wheeler has been very effective this year. If you’re projecting Street into the future, of course he will be better. But Wheeler has done just as well this year, and doesn’t play in a park with 9.5 miles of foul ground (Oakland has been a pitchers park for years)

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wasn't calling wheeler a 4 or 5, nor infering he was the problem (although he is a bit overrated right now)

he’s probably a 3 league-wide and currently #3 on the Rays

1/2 Howell/Balfour (still don’t know if Balfour’s for real real or just for real)
3 Wheeler
4 Percival

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 24, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

can you elaborate on the situation in #1? thanks.

and to get snarky about #2, I thought the editors of this site outlawed using reliever ERA or quoting half-year stats…

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 24, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't use ERA

His WHIP is lower as well. And if you can look past a miserable ‘07 you will see Wheeler has been a highly effective reliever for years…most of it done in the Houston bandbox.

Howell was warming in the pen the inning before Miller came into the game. Not coincidentally, the Rays had runners on base. As soon as the potential to tie or bring the game within a run ended, he sat Howell and proceeded to warm up Miller. The rest is history, as he had Miller try and work in a non-loogy situation and fail miserably.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

totaly agree

with the depth of the pen…when I was watching the game I thought the same thing.

by JRays on Jul 24, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I didn't use ERA. His WHIP is lower as well." -- no thanks

in 2005/2006, Wheeler’s K/BB was about 9/3; this year (i know) it’s 6/3. he’s also giving up more flyballs which will lead to more homeruns. his BABIP this year is .180—thanks defense. his FIP and xFIP are both around 4.50. Street’s 2008 K/BB is 9/2.5 and he’s been a bit unlucky in the HR/FB department. His xFIP and FIP are about 3.50.

in that situation, you’re saying the Rays were down two or three with a couple innings left? the difference between a crappy pitcher and a really good one in that situation is not as large as the difference between a good reliever and a great one in a really important situation (couple of runners on with a one-run lead in the ninth, for example.)

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 24, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were down 2

with 9 outs left.

And for the record, Percy/Howell/Wheeler/Balfour have blown a combined 3 saves between them this year (Zero for Wheeler), so it seems the Rays have more of a problem letting the game getting out of hand, than they do protecting small leads.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I responded to the wrong thread

Was supposed to be a response to GomesSweetGomes’s comment to wanting another Wheeler.

by kericr on Jul 24, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then Al Reyes is Ma-Ti

Ma-Ti is the most compassionate and sensitive of the Planeteers, yet also very insecure and sometimes prone to childish or impulsive actions, like when he allowed his rage to consume him when his village was almost wiped away.

Al might not be able to get anyone out, but DAMNIT, he has HEART!

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I remember hearing that they didn't want to trade him

because they don’t really have anyone available to fill his role.

by JRays on Jul 24, 2008 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Honest opinions....you think we are going to make any trades

We have a week left and I really don’t feel like they are going to make a move. You have Price who could come up later on and pitch so they dont HAVE to do something in the pen or even the back of the rotation and it seems like the price for a bat is to high.

by JRays on Jul 24, 2008 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we make minor trades on 7/31

But I’d be shocked if we made any sort of a splash

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather the Rays keep the big gun prospects intact. If that means no moves, so be it. But if they don’t make a move, oh man, there will be some angry folks doing a lot of second guessing and armchair GM’ing.

Sternfan1 has a week to prepare his ranting material. Don’t fail me.

Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!

by RATW on Jul 24, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

well shoot they need to make a splash! gomes and gross arent cutting it for me…i went to two of three a’s games and neither gomes nor gross did anything special…gomes especially! the only thing good he did was hit a homerun…im actually over pena too….he either hits big or doesnt hit at all

by RAYS44 on Jul 24, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Gross is more of a defensive specialist so you aren’t really replacing his role and I am no fan of Gomes but he didn’t have a bad series vs the A’s.

by JRays on Jul 24, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate using a three game sample size

But Gomes had a very good Oakland series: .400 .571 1.000

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was responding to the initial post

Which used the most recent series as an example

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the bad year is still only a 97 OPS+

and the 155 PAs of a bad year shouldn’t put a ginormous dent in Gomes’ track record (which isn’t studly, I realize)

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 24, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then tell that to Rays44

Not RJ….He even tempered his post by saying ‘I hate using a three game sample size’. Are you more interested in talking baseball or playing ‘gotcha’?

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't like it was some grand insult.

Chill out guy. I just think you can mention OBP and OPS all you want but nothing makes up for an AVG under .200

by Albertrayon on Jul 24, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

BA = Useless

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt consider it an insult

Just a sign that you needed to read through the post before twisting RJ’s words

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know what I love

hearing people on the radio say that the presence Gomes brings to the club house is worthy enough of keeping him around.

by JRays on Jul 24, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well the guys in radio/tv

Arent paid to be objective anymore. Ask Steve Stone

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gathright is on the DL. That hurts …. the Rays.

Why the Royals continue to have Gathright, Pena and Gload on their roster is beyond my understanding. It’s almost like watching the LaMar era D’Rays all over again.

Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!

by RATW on Jul 24, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

We need to start winning games on the road

This is a big road trip for us. Let’s get it done, and let the Yankees and Red Sox beat up on each other.

by RayFanNY on Jul 24, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

MVP = CC

I’m gonna do this until he actually has a good game

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Did CC start talking to BJ?

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

CC worked the count!

Even though he swung at ball 4, that was nice.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

STEAL PLS KTHXBAI

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh my heavens

how is John Buck a catcher still?

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

STEAL PLS

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Great AB

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Longo is a god.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Evan Longoria is good at baseball

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Take out Crown Vision, Carlos

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Fuck

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

God damnit, C-Los

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Or better yet

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Fail

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh boy

That pitch was right down the middle.

by kurby on Jul 24, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

31 pitch inning

It would be nice to get to this bullpen early after that Tigers series

by rays1234 on Jul 24, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

It took 2 2/3 IP

for Sabathia to get to 31 pitches last night

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aki doesn't have good range

And I mega-loathe RF Hinske

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

Fuck.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I like this Inning.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I mega-loathe RF Hinske

And Aki doesn’t have great range, but he sure does turn a double play well.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

FUUUUCK

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

DAMN!

Sooooooo close…

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Navi!

.........steal pls?

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Big Navi Stroking

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Barty!

Welcome back!

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome back Barty

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Bartlett's offense sucks.

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

FUCK

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

You are a ginger, like SRQ

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

:O

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I talked to him last night when he was in Vegas at 2 AM.

He was eating candy like a fatty.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

My time. He IMed me. It was weird.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

staaaaaalkeeer

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because of him I now have T-Beck's email

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

o_O

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

:O

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

-_-

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

>_>

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa

Was that a break?

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

ZOBRIST < BARTY

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

He's back!

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I <3 Jason Bartlett!

Web Gem!

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

C-PAIN

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's try this again Carlos.

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

wtf

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

BULLSHIT

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Dear Rays

You do not have to wait until 2 outs to put someone on the bases.

Sincerely
Your Fucking Slump

by kericr on Jul 24, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

It's early

don’t be so angry. Today’s a good day.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, they do.

I prefer quoting TV shows and movies.

by kericr on Jul 24, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

My friends Tyler and Malcolm OK with quoting Ice Cube in movies (note, I’ve started a completely obscure new joke here. 500 points if you get it).

by kericr on Jul 24, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only quote

Scrubs, Out Cold and Katt Williams. Although, this makes up 90% of my speech on a day to day basis.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

“It’s called the ‘80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground.”

by Albertrayon on Jul 24, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the jacuzzi

Casanova right there. They call him that, cause he got his helmut stuck in the hot tub, lovin it strong!

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I ever tell you about the time I invented snowboarding?

Ya I don’t want credit for it but they keep on giving it to me…

by Albertrayon on Jul 24, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Everybody knows, nobody cares"

“Yeah, if you weren’t gay, you’d be a pretty weird dude”

“What, guys, come on. Mr. October, batting for the other team?”

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

I probably wouldn’t punch some random dude for saying things.

by kericr on Jul 24, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

One break begets another

But Meche is at 63 pitches already.

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Jul 24, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

This is an important question

Why do they keep putting mascot mode in NCAA Football? Why not use the time to make a decent Campus Legend mode instead?

by Albertrayon on Jul 24, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

They don't even finish games before they release them

The show has so many funky bugs in it. Even a HUGE bug from last years version they don’t even bother to fix.

They just know people will buy EA Sports games as long as sports continue to exist.

by kurby on Jul 24, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I was mistaken

The show isn’t an EA Sports game.

Even so… I enjoy it myself but it has a lot of silly little bugs.

by kurby on Jul 24, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i usually switch back and forth between madden and Ncaa every year

so i’ve had 07 and 09, i think 09 is a big enough improvement to pick it up

by Albertrayon on Jul 24, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if you have a Wii

In which case its your only college football option

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe So

But again, its your only option for college football.

Also, I find dynasty mode, or any mode that matches me up against the computer, to be pretty boring. I either dominate 72-0 or it forces me to fumble every time i get the lead. If you plan on playing it with others (and its a Wii…HELLO!!!!) then its a good game.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

My computer AI complaints

Apply to all Madden/NCAA games across the board.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice throw C-Los

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

2.50 for a Cuban.. Best bargain in town.

West Tampa Cuban beats any sandwich on Subway’s menu.

by bucpimpin on Jul 24, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Garza starting to like those double plays

Might as well keep a guy on first all game

by kurby on Jul 24, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

SCORE RUNS PLS KTHXBAI

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

This GEICO/Warren Wallce commercial

Never really gets old….Well, ok it does, but it still makes me smile every once in a while

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

The story ends with me putting him in the wall

(after the shoot) Uncle Warren, can we get some Ice Cream?

by kericr on Jul 24, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine this..

Hot Florida sun .. Half naked Chicks, Young College girls and 30 somethings… Cuban Sandwiches. .. No Blue Hairs. No Lazy Cowbell artificial noise. It would be like Wrigley. Retractable roof. Thats Baseball in a big boy city like Tampa.

by bucpimpin on Jul 24, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Stop

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAY GUYZ

LUK AT R AWESUM OFFENCE!!!!!!

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I sit in Barbershops on Saturdays..

Word is Yankees are Tampa’s team and Rays are St. Pete’s team. They will all switch once Tampa gets their team back. Removing the team from St. Pete is the final shoe that we are suffering from during the Naimoli regime. I am not of that opinion, But I believe Tampa is the draw.

by bucpimpin on Jul 24, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm curious

When did Tampa have a baseball team before? Wouldn’t that be a pre-req for getting its team back?

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if you're that concerned

Talk to one of your local politicians and tell them you want them to raise your property taxes so you can field a team…much more productive than trolling, or daydreaming at your barber shop

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 24, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live in Tampa and have an explanation

The people who live here are giant blubbering vaginas. I live in Tampa, but I’m sure as hell not from here.

by kericr on Jul 24, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I <3 our defense again

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

CRAWFORD IS LAZY, DIDNT DIVE

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

STOP SUCKING GARZA

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Stop falling in love with the DPs, Garza

and throw some fucking strikes

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Fuckity Fuck

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

The Royals give Garza all kinds of problems

for whatever reason. Their lineup sucks.

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by killa3312 on Jul 24, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

SHIT

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

3..

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Garza looks like fail tonight

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

BJ is so lazy...

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

He's dirty apparently

Low-90’s fastball with sink. His breaking pitch at least breaks. I didn’t see it, but from that little report, he should switch. Posnanski’s take is good:

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/23/just-say-it/

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by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

Here’s my scouting report. His fastball is currently above-average. Sits at 90, touches 91, with good lateral movement as well as sink. He would be very difficult to hit for righties. His breaking pitch is very rudimentary, more of a slurvy type pitches. Would probably have to be a slider because of the arm angle, but it did show flashes where it was tight.

If he really is serious about staying in the big leagues, he should move now. His future should be on the mound. And like Posnanski suggested, he could serve as a back-up SS as well as a utility player. This would be brilliant.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xwgu2I2p6ms

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by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

The make less money than me, have to travel all the time and spend long hours in empty stadiums. Plus, I can’t evaluate hitters. I don’t understand mechanics either. Swing mechanics or pitching mechanics. What’s good? I don’t know. I can see results, but can’t see flaws.

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by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barty!

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Jason Bartlett is our offense

Think about how sad that is

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

again

this is sad

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's been trying

but the collective fail of the other 8 fuckers in the lineup isn’t helping

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Touche

Okay, 7 bags of fail

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garza looks like fail

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't really think a ML hitting coach is that important.

The minor league coaches seem like they would have more of an effect on a player to me.

by rays1234 on Jul 24, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could help in some instances

but in a case like CC’s, don’t you think his approach is more a result of his minor league development

by rays1234 on Jul 24, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree about CC...

When Eric Chavez an elite prospect, the A’s wouldnt promote him a level in the minors unless he had a certain walk rate. He developed his patience through proper instruction. There is no instruction at the big league level, only offering to help or point out flaws.

by td32 on Jul 24, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was watching the Angels/Red Sox game on FOX

the announcers were talking about how every player in the Angels minor league system needs to lay down a certain number of sac bunts, sac flys, etc. during each season.

by rays1234 on Jul 24, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

FAIL

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

JPK!

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

....negative?

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

why don't we get a real RFer to go along with longoria as our only mainstream type hitter?

You know a guy with a decent BA, good OPS, decent power…not just some base stealer that hits for no power.

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

whatever

point being is we need a real hitter to go along with longoria.

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

and crawford will never be one

that doesn’t mean he doesn’t hav ea lot of value, but the offense isn’t going to produce without guys that can DRIVE RUNNERS IN.

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

call it what you may

we need a 3 and/or 4 hitter. we have 1. teams do not win without having solid options at 3 and 4. we have a hole right now.

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is this, 1970?

You realize RBI’s mean nothing right?

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by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you realize the ability to get base hits and extra bats hits are worth something?

I’m not talking about counting rbis or comparing them across teams. I’m talking about the ability to drive runners in. As in hit a home run. As in hit a double with a man on first. I’m not concerned about the actual numbers, but more about the skill set to move men multiple bases.

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

SRQ got some slot last night at 2 AM

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by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Creepy

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by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

o_O

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd just box you back

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's too many boxes in this conversation

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOU FUCKING BOX

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huston street can't handle the box

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by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Box yourself

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has 6 home runs...

he is not a middle of the order bat right now..

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah exactly...

thats why i said we need to go get a bat that can hit in the middle of the order. bj does not belong there. that is exactly what ive been saying.

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

just like carl

bj has value, but they are not middle of the order bats. bj has the potential to develop into one (carl doesn’t), but he isn’t at this point in time.

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I didn't

I said he wasn’t a middle of the order bat. BJ would be an excellent lead off hitter. Heck Grady Sizemore was not a middle of the order bat at the start of his career and he was a great lead off man. And now he has developed the skills to hit in the middle of the order. It would not surprise me to see BJ follow the same path.

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And futher more,

when did he demand to bat in the middle of the order? He’s not a prima donna like CC. If CC got moved to the 7 hole to “take some pressure off” like Bossman was, he would have flipped out.

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by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was comparing their abilities right now to hit in the middle of the order

I’m fully aware BJ is a better baseball player with a better attitude.

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

so who's going to see Stepbrothers tomorrow?

maybe if we change the subject and stop paying attention they’ll score

by Albertrayon on Jul 24, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Gentlemen

This is not our night

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

;_;

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Andrew Firedman

Please do something about this shit

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Andrew Friedman

please do something about this shit without trading davis, price, or hellickson

9 = 8

by websterjtc on Jul 24, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hooray spelling...

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Bartlett is our offense

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

BARTY!

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

First time posting..

Hello I just signed up, and wanted to make a few comments, first of all I’m very disappointed with the offense, some players are being over selective on pitches and others are not being selective enough. Longoria and Iwamura are our toughest outs. The biggest disappointment this season has been B.J Upton, and Crawford is right on his heels.

Garza had a poor night, but its nice to have Bartlett back.

The Rays need to add a bat or two A.S.A.P, and Floyd and Gomes need to be traded or sent down.

Just my opinion

by PeteFla on Jul 24, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Because hes lazy.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Upton is a better player

Expectations…that is what I think at least.

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not mine

Either way it is pointless to argue about who is sucking more relative to their expectations

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are insane.

Carl is 14% worse than other big leaguers in OPS, BJ is 13% better. How can Carl be living up to your expectations more than B.J. unless you think Carl is a below average player?

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

More like a specialty player

Average OPS and a zillion SBs to boost his value

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

League. I figured around the average OPS but near top in the league in SBs

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

While I think BJ has fallen short of my expectations moreso than Carl I also think BJ has more of an excuse. I personally think BJ is hurt or his injured shouldered altered his mechanics. I think that is the cause for his drop, and that is understandable. However I think CCs problem is more about attitude and preparation.

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Gomes isn’t our problem. Our problem is the top of our order sucks vs lefties.

by matthan on Jul 24, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

One series doesn't make up for a year of poor performance

Our offense clearly has more than one problem, and Gomes is on the list somewhere.

by kurby on Jul 24, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree that one series doesn't make up for a year of poor performance

And I’m not a huge Gomes fan either, but we’ve waited this long for him to come around. Why not wait a little longer?

by rays1234 on Jul 24, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome Pete

Never speak poorly of Upton again.

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by Tyler on Jul 24, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He must hate you.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should call in and give your valuable opinion

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does he?

I cant listen to him when he talks baseball…it is the worst. You would kill yourself with his takes….

by td32 on Jul 24, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's linked here

Of course it’s one thing to read here, it’s another to take something from whatever is presented.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 24, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

OH, EVAN

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

MAGIC.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

MAGIC.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Los!

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RALLY FURS

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by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

BE AN HERO HINSKE

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

FUCK

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by P Brady on Jul 24, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Damnation

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by JMB on Jul 24, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

We could stick with the lineup we have and see what happens, but if we do that we have no chance of playoffs this years IMO.

I just don’t see the Rays spending big money in the off-season on free agents, so making a trade now would probably bode well for a wild card challenge, no trade no chance IMO.

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