Rumor Wrapup
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
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- The Dallas News reports scouts, including Rays affiliated scouts, were at the Mariners/Rangers game last night. Without speculating relievers like Sean Green, Arthur Rhodes, and Eddie Guardado pitched last night while Milton Bradley acted as the Rangers' DH.
- Jon Heyman says the Rays are the fallback plan for Teixeira behind the Diamondbacks, but some sources say there's "no way" Teixeira lands with the D-Backs. Whether that make the Rays the leader by default or bad information I'm really not sure.
Let's be clear about Teixeira: he is a really, really good hitter. Not noted enough is his patience. Teixeira features an O-Swing% around 20% (think Akinori Iwamura) and he sees 3.95 pitches per plate appearance. The rest of his numbers speak for themselves and adding him with Upton and Longoria batting ahead and behind would make for one hell of a punch when you throw in Carlos Pena, Akinori Iwamura, and Dioner Navarro.
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I'd love to get Teixeira
but he’s going to cost a heck of a lot and one of either him or Pena will be moved to DH, as both are plus defenders. That’d solve the DH problem, but it’d also take half of one of those players’ best abilities out of the equation.
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Yes, we really do have fans.
Having the world's best fielding DH for a few months isn't that bad in this situation
Teixeira is better with the bat than Pena (and Beltre) and a better fielder than Pena. Let him play first and give Pena a start or two a week.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
that actually makes sense,
pena would be our everyday DH, which is fine with me. add a RF RH bat and we could be very stacked. Baldelli anyone ….
Could this be a case where the Rays can swing a fair deal just based on talent alone
and “make him fit” so to speak? I mean, they can rotate him and Pena at the DH spot and it fixes the lack of production at DH. We still have problems in right with production but the Rays need to do something to shake this lineup up offensively.
Tex is a leg humping addition
RJ, if they add him, you will have to get in line. I also plan on marking my territory while I’m at it.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply actions
is there really NO chance we can re-sign tex?
chances are not very good, obviously. that being the case, i would ABSOLUTELY hate to trade anything of large value for a 2 month DH rental.
All we have to do is beat the comp picks, and the D-Backs reported offer of
Tracy/Owings/Prospect
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
I thought
Tracy was what the Braves wanted, not what the D’Backs were offering.
Does a Jackson/Salas/Prospect combo beat out their deal? Probably not, if Tracy is included…
Vogt early, Vogt often.
I think it's the other way around.
Tracy is being offered, Braves would prefer Jackson.
But I think the hold-up is that the Braves want either Scherzer or Parker along with Tracy.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 29, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure we'll offer him Arb
Which will mean we are essentially trading minor leaguers for draft picks. With the clog in majorleage ready pitching thats about to occur, it may prove wise to space the talent out a few years.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Virtually no chance.
Never say never, but even if the Rays decided to pony up the necessary cash to get Tex, he’d be rather redundant on the same roster as Carlos Pena.
Trading Pena is a possibility, but I’d be shocked if the Rays out-bid the Yankees.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 29, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Stealing a 1st rounder from the yanks certainly would be sweet
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
It's not always about money
Sometimes players play for respect. Sometimes they play for sportsmanship. Somet…what am I saying, it’s about the money.
He can’t be paid more than 24 million a year unless the Yanks want to give A-Rod a raise.
Clarification
The Yanks won’t offer him more than 24 million a year unless they want to give A-Rod a raise.
If he gets offered more than that by someone else, the Yanks have to give him a raise whether they want to or not.
I could really care less if he went to the Yanks after this year
As he doesn’t present a significant upgrade over the production they’ve gotten from Matsui/Giambi this year….And of course, nothing would be more fun than taking away the Yanks picks
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Teix would be a huge upgrade at 1B defensively for them
And both of those guys are old. Their production isn’t going to last much longer.
Orioles and Mariners could be in that race too.
You’re talking about teams that - pending what the Rays season outcome is - are dealing with a ton more financial assets. Of course a playoff run would help add some revenue bucks that could be put towards Teixeira.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I would put the chances at zero
This ownership group is too smart to commit 25% – 35% of payroll on one player.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
I agree
That its not wise to invest so heavily in one player. But if you’re going to do it, he’s as good of a risk as any.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think this trade makes sense to me unless
Pena is sent to Atlanta
Atleast no one has explained it to me in any other way that makes sense yet.
I’m not interested in trading Davis, Hellickson, Price and probably Nieman as well if we are not 100% sure we can resign him.
I dont see anyway that Atlanta sends Tex to us for anything less than 2 top prospects, IF Pena is not include din the deal. If Pena is included in the deal, it would make perfect sense for them and us to include Jackson or Sonny and call it a deal
IF Pena is traded in the deal, than I think we still need to add another bat. Because even thoguh we are upgrading Penas bat with Texiera’s, we still need another bat to bat 6/7 in the lineup behind Longoria and Tex
Losing Pena would be a bit of a PR debacle
Also, I think that by trading away Pena, the net offensive difference then makes the trade too small to be worth doing.
I wouldn't worry about the top three pitchers going anywhere unless an extension is guaranteed.
If we can do Niemann ++ for Teixeira it makes all kinds of sense.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly
don’t think we need to trade any of Davis/Hellickson/Price to get Tex.
If Pena is sent to Atlanta, then what do we do at 1B the next two years? Pena just signed a team-friendly three year deal.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Where does Dan Johnson fit into all of this
I agree that DJ could never replace 07 Pena….But is the difference between 08 Pena and 08 DJ be that great?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
But seriously
I know I may be exposing myself to some heavy scorching here, but PR issues aside, does Pena really project to be that much better than DJ to make him untouchable?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Pena is at least a bit better.
Pena’s true talent is probably around .830-.850, do you think Johnson is near that?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Given that he played so long in Oakland
I don’t think expecting an ops around or above .780 is outlandish. And if you can do it for several million dollars cheaper, why not take the risk?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Pena's on a pretty friendly contract
I’m not sure what the running rate for a .840 (to settle) OPS is, but 8 million per year for an above average hitter and a good fielder?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if Atlanta wants him
Then what he can do for us over the next few years will certainly be balanced with what Tex can do for us now.
I suggest that when all is said and done, 1/3rd a year of Tex would be enough to offset the difference between DJ and Pena.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And in any event
The difference between the two (And I readily admit Pena will be better than DJ) is not so large as to make the prospect of trading Pena outrageous.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's outrageous
There was a report that I can’t find now that said Dan Wheeler might be available.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm asking is he between -5 runs and positive 5 runs fielding...
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to say
because they’ve never let him field for a full season. His UZR has been in the -5 range annually, but he only fields half-seasons. Best I can tell, the only reason he was out on the field is because Oakland’s DHs have been guys who REALLY can’t play defense (Thomas, Piazza, Cust, etc.).
Vogt early, Vogt often.
If they think they can get Jackson's control under uh...control, he might intrigue them enough.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't think that anybody is going to hand off someone like Teixeria for anything less than a borderline sure thing
I honestly think to get Teix you’d have to do Davis or Hellickson + Niemann + a positional prospect.
DAMMIT
Sonnanstine and Jackson are BETTER than Niemann.
There, I said it.
They’re worth more. They’re above-average major league starters.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
I think they're both better
But EJax’s lack of options makes him worth less
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The options shouldn't matter.
He’s proven to be above average.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares if he has options
if he’s putting up an ERA+ of 100 while pitching 200 innings, then you don’t need to send him to the minors.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Save that argument
For when he actually throws 200 innings with a 100+ ERA
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
While I think he's turned the corner
And obviously you do, an outside exec may not see it that way
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Thankfully the Braves seem to be results based analysis.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't agree with that...
Not many teams are results based anymore.
Jackson is a live arm with great potential, the Braves seem to do well with those types. He’ll be going from a very tough AL division to a more friendly NL division.
If Jackson gets traded I bet he puts up #2 like numbers.
I see where you're coming from
I don’t think Jackson will be better than Davis for much longer. Niemann is the 2nd pitcher in that trade.
I would prefer if the Rays kept Sonny
Either way
By the time next season rolls around, either Jackson or Sonnanstine will be out of the rotation anyway, because Price will take one of their spots. And if someone gets injured, there are still plenty of other options.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
And they're proven at the major league level
Unlike Niemann, who hasn’t proven he can be average in the majors. Two starters with ERA+ around 100 and upside to improve, plus team control for 3 – 5 years after.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Niemann + Jackson/Sonny?
I very much doubt that gets a deal done
I disagree.
I think that’s plenty, actually. Perhaps a B- minor leaguer, too.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 29, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Niemann + SP + B prospect is far better than the two draft picks
Assuming it likely won’t be a first rounder.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe it COULD get it done
and I wouldnt have a huge problem trading Niemann even if we cant resign Tex. But II think if Penas not included theyw ould ask for Niemann, + Davis/Hellickson
I know...
But just because they asked for Price doesn’t mean they wouldn’t accept less.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 29, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone is going to want Price.
Hey Friedman, welcome to our trade talks. Have a seat. You want a soda? It’s gonna come at a Price.
whats plenty?
Jackson/Sonny + Niemann?
I dont know man
You may be underrating those pitchers.
We’re talking about 4/5 starters (with the potential for 3) who are under control for the next six years.
It’d be an awful lot to give up, for the Rays. Probably too much, actually.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 29, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
if we are talking Niemann + Jackson/Sonny + B prospect
Im not interested for a rental
I know
I probably would say NO if Im Friedman and I know I cant extend Tex. It would be a close call though, very intriguing
I think I'd be willing to deal 1/3
Out of Niemann, Sonnanstine, and Jackson.
And I say that as someone who is very high on all three.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 29, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
"I honestly think to get Teix you’d have to do Davis or Hellickson + Niemann + a positional prospect."
Im on the same page as you. If Pena is not included ^^this is what it will take
Teixeira plus 1st round pick plus sandwich pick
That’s what we’re trading for, unless Teixeira miraculously signs with Baltimore over a NY team(spoilers: he won’t). I’d try to make a trade without dealing Price, Hellickson, or Davis.
Possibly
Two sandwich picks, if a back half team signs him.
Another factor is that he’ll probably net one of the top 2 or 3 sandwich picks.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Yanks want him too badly, me thinks.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
The Yankees don't have the major league level talent.
That the Rays do with Sonny/Jackson/Neimann.
The only thing the Rays don’t have to offer is a quality position player unless they send Aybar or Zobrist over.
Rosenthal:
The Dodgers and Rays also are among the clubs that have previously shown interest in Teixeira, and both have young players who interest the Braves. But the Dodgers, set at first with James Loney for four more years, have little interest in Teixeira, who is a free agent at the end of the season. And the Rays, seeking long-term success, are less motivated than other clubs to acquire a rental player.
Meh, Heyman and a few others have said we're the backup plsn
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
And unless the Angels step up(Fuck it seems like they are) I think we have a legit shot.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
We're getting two more 1st round picks!
I know nothing guaranteed, but we’re basically trading three (top) prospects for Teixeira and then two more guys who have a decent shot at becoming decent prospects.
by Kevin Gengler on Jul 29, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If we were to trade Pena
Why would we NOT resign teixera? Who else do we NOT have locked up for atleast the next 3 years? Upton, Aki….I struggle to think of anymore names. So our payroll will be under 40 mil, and we will have virtually no organizational needs and nobody else to spend money on. GHive Teixera 15-18 mil per year, I dont care
I don't think we're gonna trade Pena.
It’d be improving at 1B only to leave the gaping hole at DH open.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Tex will want more
And he’ll want a 5-7 year deal which I don’t see the Rays doing.
Pena won’t be traded. He is signed to a favorable deal and isn’t playing as bad as some think.
It’d also be foolish to even risk trading Pena and Tex not resigning. The Rays have no other decent 1B options.
Because Teixiera has free will
and he can sign wherever he wants to. Just because we trade for him and throw the biggest offer his way, there’s no guarantee he’ll want to play here.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Sonny and Jackson may have more value than Davis/Hellickson
I know we love prospects, but a proven major league pitcher is more valuable than an ordinary prospect (which Price is not). The only thing comes down to years and thats not an issue with Sonny.
I'm okay trading 2 out of 3 between Niemann Jackson and Sonny. I'd prefer if we kept one of the major leaguers though
Our problem as I’ve been saying for weeks now is we have at the MINIMUM 4 guys vying for 1 spot in the rotation next year.
Davis, Sonny, Jackson, and Niemann
We simply do not need so much quality competiting for our #5 spot in the rotation. Eventually they are going to have to be traded or moved to the pen. Starters have more value then relievers so why not flip the one (or two) Friedman is least high on?
I think we will be perfectly fine going into the year having Davis compete with Sonny, Jackson, or Neimann for the #5 spot.
Also do not forget Hammel.
Davis
Probably won’t get much of a look in ST. He’ll be a June call-up at the earliest.
by Kevin Gengler on Jul 29, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No one has EVER had too much pitching.
And you can’t just insert Price into the rotation, either. Not yet.
If you trade two of Niemann/Jackson/Sonny, who occupies the fifth spot for the rest of this year?
Hammel has no value.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 29, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
More than you think
Lost in the fact that he’s been mostly pitching mopup innings is that Hammel now has an ERA under 4.5, closer to 4.0 as a reliever. As a former top 100 prospect with good stuff and room to fill out, Hammel (who was valueless a couple months ago) suddenly has built back up a little value.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Don't judge him on ERA, that's misleading
His K and BB rates have went to hell even more so than before and he’s giving up more than two bases per inning pitched.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hammel's BERA as a reliever is 4.99.
That’s basically Darrell Rasner.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes you can have too much of one commodity
The utility of having 1 extra quality competitor for the #5 spot next year is nowhere near the utility gained by the rental of Tex and the 2 1st rounders.
I don't necessarily disagree with your argument,
I just worry that you’re valuing the depth of quality rotation options less than is appropriate.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 29, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we are talking about the #5 starter
I just don’t think you need 4 quality options for the #5 guy. It is detrimental to have above average major leaguers rotting in the minors. Plus what would we do with Jackson? We can’t send him down and he has more value as a starter.If we wait til next year then teams know we have to sell him which depresses his value even further.
Don't underestimate the value of the sixth starter
That’s how a lot of teams get in trouble. Having a quality option to pick up emergency starts is huge.
Not to mention,
Kazmir and Garza aren’t exactly known for their durability.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 29, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Price had injury concerns too, FWIW.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
You don't but Sternberg might.
why? As I outlined, we would have nothing stopping us from resigning Teixera. our payroll would be under 60 mil still, with no real needs left and no one left to sign to exptensions.
I agree we would still need a bat at DH, but how hard is that to find?
Yanks would offer him 120 million.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Well, we don't have one right now.
So there’s that.
by Kevin Gengler on Jul 29, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
RJ has Yankee envy
First Cannizaro, now Myrow. Something your not telling us here?
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 29, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Quality DHs are very hard to come by
Most good players have a position to play
Like I said
what would be in the way from stopping us from giving Tex 15-18 mil per year if Pena is gone and our payroll is sitting at 35 mil with all our young guys locked up?
A DH bat is VERY easy to find on the trade market or in FA in the offseason
Where is the DH?
And there is no guarantee that Tex signed for that low of an amount and that he even would sign here.
Because it would be n improvement of .075 OPS points or so for a price of 10 million more.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
The VERY same argument could be used
To justify replacing Carlos Pena with Dan Johnson
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Except Pena is not making a high enough amount of money to worry about that
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
But there would likely be a 10 mil difference between the two
And those dollars could be used to sing other players to improve the team or retain current ones
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
If they did go balls to the wall and signed Tex, the first base wouldn’t be a problem, and DJ would present an improvement over our current dh.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said before
the bigger difference between Pena and Johnson is the defense, not the bat, and there still is also the difference in the bat.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Range Factor puts Pena at above average
And does likewise with DJ. I know its a crude metric. You got one that shows a huge difference between the two?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Beyond crude
It’s absolutely meaningless
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 29, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
In first basemen
Range Factor just measures how many groundballs the team throws, since the 1B gets the out in 2/3 of all groundballs.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Please give me a better # then
I don’t have numbers to back this statement, but I feel that there are very few 1b’s good or bad enough to make a tremendous impact with their glove….And that Carlos and Dan Johnson arent either of them.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd use OOZ+PLAYS/BIZ
But I don’t think we have enough of a sampling for Johnson to get a real answer.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 29, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Where do you get this 15 - 18 number from?
18 – 21 more likely, and probably for 5 – 7 years. Pass. Seriously. We’re not giving out $100 million contracts.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Most good players have a position to play
yes, and that is by default
They are good, therefor on most teams there is a position fo rthem to play. If you have a roster that is filled up already, than you can afford to put a good player at DH
Those players just aren't available.
Playing DH saps a players negotiating power. Most players with anything resembling a glove want to stick at the position (Delgado is a great example).
why would he not sign here?
We’ve been a top 3 team in baseball all year and have the funds to pay him as much as anyone else is willing to give him. We have a young offense and pitching, we have good offense, defense and pitching. Great weather. No taxes on his $$$$, etc
DH’s are easy to find, Bonds is sitting on his couch right now
Other than Bonds
Because that’s a joke to even talk about anymore, name another DH available.
18-21 mil
NO PROBLEM. That puts us at roughly a 60 mil payroll. Whats the problem? Why doe sthe 100+ mil figure scare you so much when everyone else is locked up and our payroll would still be bottom 5 in baseball on what will soon be a rapidly growing team revenue
Upton has to get paid soon. Navi and Garza will need Raises. Our payroll projects RIGHT NOW to 60 million next year anyway, so with Tex it'd be 80 mil.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
What if he gets hurt, or underperforms
You gamble and lose on that big of a contract, and then you’re screwed for a decade. Ask Chuck Lamar.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
18-21 a year for 5-7 years
Ends up being a Giambi like deal or a Helton like albatross sitting on your checkbook. Teams like the Rays just can’t do that. They can’t, and it’s pointless to argue. Allocating 1/3rd the payroll to one player restricts the addressing of future needs.
another DH available?
what do you mean? As in a FA DH available? Of course you cant find a ton of available productive FAs in July. That was never what this was about. This was about next season, and in the offseason. I said we willl have no more organizational needs once we resign Teixera. You suggested DH. Like I said, when the offseason comes it will be easy to find a DH. It is easy to find one right now
You have Kent, Beltre, Teixera, Bay, Bradley, etc
Kent is your only DH, maybe Bradley
but those aren’t guys the Rays can go out and get easily. Those are players in great demand who will command a large salary. Tex, Bay and Beltre will not sign DH deals and I really doubt Bradley will. Kent is old.
Please let me know which one of those can be easily acquired. They can’t be. Quality DHs are just as hard to get as position players.
I said Upton and Aki
Garza is under his rookie contract for atelast 4 more years right? And I still dont see a catcher who can hit .300 tops with no speed or HRs and above average defense as a guy who will break the bank
How wwould ourpayroll be at 60 mil next year without Pena? I know quite a few guys will have contracts on the rise, but even still I dont see andadditional 25 mil.
Even an 80 mil payroll is realistic. You have to include the fact that TV ratings, ticket/merchandise/vendor.oparking sales, advertisement, sponsers, etc will all be on the rise the next several years in this area the same way revenue shot up for the LIghtning and Bucs. I guarantee you Sternberg would take that into consideration when he looks at FA
Garza is under control for five seasons after this.
Please use the reply button. Please?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Shields goes to 1.5 mil, CC goes to 8 mil, Edwin and Gomes go to Arb, more like 55 mil actually
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
What are you assuming Edwin/Gomes get in arb?
Probably 1-3 million?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It's possible neither are there next season.
Jax could be traded, with Price stepping in (though DP would be making about $1.5 MM) Gomes could be non-tendered, with Ruggy stepping in. You’d need a DH still, with Hinske a FA as well. I’m assuming Floyd not picked up.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 29, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
18-21 mil for 6 years is not a Helton-esque risk
by blazinrayz on Jul 29, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
True
but it’s close…
Helton signed a 9 yr 141 deal after age 28
Tex will be free agent after 28 and the deal will be awfully close to that in value and not years.
The problem is also backloading, his contract will be worth so much in like 2015 that it’ll be impossible to move.
That depends on deal structure
Plenty of FA deals have been relatively flat in annual cost of late. A-Rod’s actually declines significantly in the later years. All is negotiable.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 29, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather take Bradley than Teixiera
I think Bradley would be less costly and I believe the Rangers would be more interested in the pieces that we would like to move.
I agree
Ive been pimping Bradley for months. Love that guy
Been rather healthy all season...
The bigger question is how do the Rays get Bradley without dealing a true top flight high potential guy?
Texas is in a postion that they have the #3-#5 range starter area filled for the next dew years with their extremely deep farm system. They are going to ask for the moon for Bradley from a team like the Rays that have a dearth of top flight pitching prospects…
I might get flamed for this but wahat abot a deal centered around Dradle and Feliz for Price….
The bat the team needs plus a top 15 if not higher pitcher that is only 20 in AA that hits 100 on the gun concistantly for Price..
I would never hink of trading Price in a deal surrounding Bradley
WAY too risky.
Im sure a team like Texas would love nothing more than getting a couple pitchers like Sonny/Jackson/Niemann
Texas has Sonny/Jackson/Neimann already on thier roster
in Hurley,Harrison, Hunter, McCarthy, etc..
The reason all the reports coming out of Texas is for top flight front of the rotation arms is that Texas has all the 3-5 arms covered.
Why would Texas deal for arms that are either out of options or nearly out of options and that would be required to be put on the 40 man roster that basically equal or be a marginal upgrade for what they already have.
Texas and TB really dont matchup up well becasue TB doesnt want to move its top end and Texas has the middle level prospects covered
The easiest way to get Bradley on the cheap
is to pay a fan to take a punch in the face. They would have to get rid of him for PR reasons and it’s not like this is breaking new ground for him. Either that or pay an ump to drop a couple of N-bombs. After his latest outburst he could be had for Dohmann and Glover I would think.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Rangers won't trade Bradley
I just can’t see it happening. He benefits them too much and I imagine they want to go after him in the offseason.
Bradley is a career journeyman
who is no longer a spring chicken, who just had ACL surgery and is CONSTANTLY missing time with injuries, on a team thats rebuilding. I see no reason why he couldnt be traded when they already have 2 rookie studs in the OF in Murphy and Hammy
Hamilton is not a rookie
And he’s not a spring chicken either. This is likely his career peak we are seieng right now.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Hamilton hasnt even played 162 games outside of single A yet
let the haters hate. He may not be a spring chicken, but he is younger than Bradley and far far more talented. To assume his career will go downhill from here is laughable
He is mashing
He COULD be traded, I just don’t see it happening. He’s a valuable member of the team, a veteran, and he’s putting up incredible numbers. The Rangers are a team that always is trying to be in the middle of it and they appear to be pretty close. I don’t see why they’d trade away Bradley now when they should have the upperhand in resigning him.
Whoever has more value to the other team than ours.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the ballpark's history
And ignoring this year’s park factor, I’d say Sonny has more value to the Braves than the Rays
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Edwin is German, Sonny has a beard.
I cannot choose.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Jackson
And its not particularly close. Want an autograph? Want a player to pay attention to you? Jackson is your man.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Though its not like Andy is a colossal A-hole either
They are both nice guys. But Jackson definitely goes out of his way to acknowledge fans.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Niemman. When in doubt, choose the health risk
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
One other thing
This market is NOT small. I get sick of people labeling us as a small market. There is a difference between a small market, and an untapped market. This is CLEARLY not a small market when it comes to NFL or NHL. So how could it be a “small market” in baseball? Completely contradictory
Why dont people call it what it is? A market that has not been given a chance to show it’s true capabilities.
I dont want to get lumped into the “small market” crowd when it is such a temporary title for us.
For those who dont know, the Tampa Bay area is the 2nd largest metropolitan area in the southeast US. Now that this franchise is being run so efficiently I see no way this remains a “small market”
No, it's a small market
It’s 16th out of 30 in terms of metropolitan area, and is 30th out of 30 in terms of cost of living.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Even big market teams
can get crippled by bad contracts. Happens all the time
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s 16th out of 30 in terms of metropolitan area
The Bucs and Lightning (Im not sure the current statis) have both been top 5 in their leagues in generating revenue in the past few years
And like i siad, the Bay area is the 2nd largest Met area in the southeast, so you are simply WRONG
Fixed
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don't see how I'm wrong.
The southeast doesn’t have that many big markets. People didn’t start moving back to the south until air conditioning was invented.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
An just because
the other teams in the area make money, it doesn’t mean the Rays are going to make the same kind of money. There’s a very finite amount of money all competing for entertainment dollars. If the Bucs get more than their fair share, that will cut into other sources. Plus, it’s infinitely easier to support an NFL team (9 home games) or NHL (40) than an MLB team (81), especially when the MLB stadium has more seats than an NHL stadium.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
If the amount of money to go around is so limited
Why is the waiting list for NHl and NFL season tickets so lengthy in thsi town? You could combine the season ticket wiating lists from those 2 teams, and have ennough season tickets sold to fill the trop twice over.
The Bucs and Lightning were once bottom feeders for a long time, and guess what? No one was pumping dollars into those franchises from this town. They get better, and all of a sudden this town becomes a football and hockey mecca in the south? It didnt just happen, those people were waiting to give those teams their moeny and theuy finally gave them a reason to
Why would it be any different for the Rays?
This town has proven that, if you build it they will come.
Regardless of how many pro baseball teams are in this region of the country, if you have the 2nd largest Metropolitan area in the entire southeast US that in itself means you are not a small market
You're right, I was wrong
Tampa Bay is the 19th largest market. And you were wrong too, it’s the third largest market in the southeast (Atlanta and Miami are both bigger).
Why would it be any different for the Rays? Because season tickets for the Rays cost five to ten times as much as Bucs or Lightning season tickets, and require double or eight times the time commitment. I’m not going to bother looking it up, but Forbes did a great series on all of this once. Basically, the conclusion was that, without the outside MLB-level revenue streams, there are only about 10 markets in the country big enough to support an MLB franchise.
Whether you like it or not, Tampa Bay is the 16th largest metro market in the country. There are less people there than New York, LA, Chicago, DC/Baltimore, Detroit, Dallas/FW/Arlington, Houston, Philly, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Phoenix, Boston, San Francisco/Oakland, Phoenix, Seattle, Minneapolis, St. Louis and San Diego.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas
LIKE IT OR NOT, TAMPA BAY IS A SMALL MARKET RELATIVE TO THE OTHER MLB MARKETS.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Bucs Tix are well over $1,000 not to mention the deposit you have to put down
There is no way Rays tix are even close to that, let alone 5-10x.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you have seasont tickets for both?
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
I'm a poor man just out of college
So no
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is a link
for ticket prices for the final 25 games.
http://tampabay.rays.mlb.com/tb/ticketing/season_tickets.jsp
Just throwing it up but both are going to be expensive.
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BELIEVE in 08!
I talked to someone that had season tix
he said they were like $375 for the whole season. Either way I can guarantee that Rays season tix are less than Bucs tix. Brick stated Rays were 5 to 10 times more and that is just rubbish.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Where were his seats?
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
I didn't ask, but I imagine they are covered by a tarp
Gone are the days of buying a $9 ticket and then sitting wherever you want. At least in the good games.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Outfield Full Season
Around 1300 each. Not bad, especially with how easy they make it to sell them. You can Stub-Hub, exchange your tix for up to 10 future dates, and forward your tix to people via email.
Since I don’t usually go on Sundays, I estimate my final cost is closer to 1k per season ticket.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
If you want seats up there they can be cheap but if you want a full season plan at the lower level it can cost you a pretty penny. I would think though that the higher end seats for both sports would be close to each other in total price but do not have anything to back this up. I know that my Rays seats cost more than my buc seats but they are two different types of seats.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
I got in at EXACTLY the right moment
I had a single in the front row of the outfield that rolled over from last year, and picked up the seat next to it the day before the start of the first Boston series. I saved about $175 and now have 2 seats in the front row of the OF side by side…which of course I couldn’t walk in off the street and buy now.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So no top flight players should be signed by anyone?
Its called taking risks. You evaluate the level of the risk, and you pull the trigger
Many players on this team are unhderpaid, which would balance out the Teixera signing
Teixera is at the exact age you want to sign a FA hitter, in his upper 20s
He is a SH, he plays great defense, he has a great eye at the plate, he hits for amazing power.
So you take the risk, and your team becomes far better than it is. I dont see the problem there
Quick question
Are you in favor of trading Pena for Tex then? Because thats the ONLY way I’d like to see them pursue the avenue you are advocating.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not what anyone said...
You’re asking for answers and then not even reading what is said.
A small market team takes a huge gamble when they sign a player to a very large contract. It would be a great contract for three years. After three years it would become a huge burden and most likely handicap the Rays from the years 2012-2016. It will also make it very difficult to extend any other players during that time.
First base is also one of the easier positions to fill. So handicapping a tea with a large contract for a first baseman isn’t not a good idea.
You can argue that the Rays should spend more money but it likely won’t happen. It’s like arguing that they should sign Bonds. If we are debating within the constraints of what is probable for the organization to do then the Tex deal would not be a good one.
What are you calling "more money"?
What do you see as the Rays top end salary limits? I think they have plenty of room to grow if they choose. But choosing will entail succeeding resulting in enhanced local revenue streams. Added local revenues grow a teams financialability very rapidly, as they are still backed by the revenue sharing system. Only 31% of local revenue goes into the pot, so every 3 dollars lost in revenue sharing represents $10 in increased local revenue. That’s a good tradeoff.
If success results in enhanced local revenues, and signs are it is doing that, the Rays are in position to carry significantly higher payrools. Their revenue structure would support a larger payroll right now. Very few revenue sharing recipients have payrolls below $60 MM, even with significantly lower net gains from it.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 29, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Teixiera and Ohman
For Carlos Pena and Jason Hammel
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
...They would laugh at us harder than we laughed at Price for that package
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
There goes 15% of the 'I Care, I Don't Smoke Campaign'
Will SOMEONE please think of the children!!!!
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it would take Sonny/Jax, Pena, and Niemann
To get that kind of haul
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
For two months of Tex and two months of Ohman?
If that’s what the Braves want, they’re out of their mind. I doubt they’re that unrealistic.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
For 2 months of Tex, 2 months of Ohman, and 3 first rounders
Giving up one starter, a field position player, and a minor leaguer…Granted, I wouldn’t like to see them pay this much, but I wouldn’t cry if they did.
But I also like the possibility of the move as a cost cutting measure, as I argued above.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't ranked last year, so while it's possible he gets to B status, it's highly unlikely.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Either way
If our pitching depth is as good as we seem to think it is, we should be willing to trade some our guys at the MLB level. If it isn’t, that means some of our minor league arms are overrated, and we should be more willing to trade some of them.
I think Niemann is a prime example. If you are in the camp that says he will be better than Sonny/Ejax, then by all means trade one of those two. If you believe as I do that he won’t, trade him.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What I can't stomach
(And I know I’m not alone in this regard) Is the idea that we need to hold onto everyone in the minor leagues AND keep the guys at the big league level as well…That is a great formula if you want to lose players in the…
RULE V DRAFT!!!!
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Question about our talent
How many of our top-flight prospects came out of the first round of the draft?
Part of the reason the Rays have the best farm system in the majors is because they were extremely bad for so long. How much talent regression can they expect by not having all of those high draft picks for the next five years?
Good question
It’s all about investment and expertise I suppose. Boston seems to do just fine with their picks for example. I think we should be just as worried about the possibility that not enough of our guys will be hitting free agency anytime soon as we are about our exact slot selection within the first round.
But in all honesty, your guess is as good as mine.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Name all the 1st or 2nd round pick we drafted on this team. or Are considered TOP prospects
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Nevermind, you said top
Toss out all but Brignac.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
I was just using him as an example that you dont need a top pick.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I was trying to get more to the point of
making sure that this team can draft appropriately in later rounds and find talent. Other teams can. Somehow, the Yankees are still managing to find prospects to trade away so they can pick up players at the deadline.
My Count:
CC, Longoria, Upton, Price, Rocco(I guess if we still include him), Brignac, Houser(?)
We’ll be fine.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
You don't NEED to pick first
But it definitely helps.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Less talent...
That is why you have to lock up the players you do get. You would hope that they can use the time between now and 2012 to rebuild the farm
It cuts both ways I suppose
You get more picks if more players walk. Ideally, some players would walk, and those guys would also be overrated and always net you 2 picks. Of course there are a lot of teams that take advantage of draft pick compensation by deliberately trageting players who will be free-agent eligible (As well as dumbasses like Brian Sabean who deliberately give up picks so they can sign Michael Tucker)
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're saying
Brian Sabean isn’t good at his job? Maybe he thought he was getting Chris Tucker.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying that I used to be a Giants fan
And might have continued my long distance relationship. But as time went by, I realized I only watched Giants games when Bonds was at bat. Aside from Bonds (who Sabean deserves no credit for) the team quickly became the most boring team in baseball.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Answer
Guys picked near the top of the first round were, or turned into:
David Price
Evan Longoria
BJ Upton
Matt Garza
Jason Bartlett
Rocco Baldelli
Jeff Niemann
Tim Beckham
Guys who were picked in the second round (who could have been taken by comp picks, but probably would have been gone if taken late in the second):
Carl Crawford
Gabe Gross
Reid Brignac
Kyle Lobstein (if he signs)
Honestly, if the Rays are smart, they’ll budget the same amount for the draft as when they had the top pick, and then just draft a bunch of guys who fall because they’re asking for over-slot money.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
It’s 16th out of 30 in terms of metropolitan area
The Bucs and Lightning (Im not sure the current statis) have both been top 5 in their leagues in generating revenue in the past few years
And like i siad, the Bay area is the 2nd largest Met area in the southeast, so you are simply WRONG
How can 2 pro sports teams in 1 market be comsidered big market
yet anotehr pro sports tema in teh same market is small?
The Bucs and Lightning have been at the very top of their leagues in revenue, and thats what this discussion is about. Potential earnings. So like I said, you are wrong and thsi is NOT a small market but an untapped market.
You cant argue it, really
The Bucs and LIghtning have given me all the proof I need.
I'd also argue that things are different
Since sources of revenue very greatly throughout the leagues. NFL is more coop whereas MLB is definitely individualized. I also don’t think the NHL fits into the same discussion.
They aren't considered big market
the smallest market in all of sports is Green Bay, and they make more money than anyone in the NFL. The amount of revenue has nothing to do with the size of the market. Doesn’t change the fact that the Tampa Bay market is smaller than average for MLB cities, and that people in the Tampa Bay metro area have a lower median and mean income than all 27 other MLB markets.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Isnt this discussion about how much revenue this franchise is capable of generating
I’m still right about market size, because clearly the 2nd largest Met area in the southeast could not be a small market.
but thats not the root of this discussion anyways
Market size in sports is meant to describe a market’s ability to generate revenue. If we all know from history that this town can fail miserably at supporting a losing franchise (Bucs/Lightning) and also make those very same franchises 2 of the highest revenue generating franchises in their sports, than where is the argument for you? That this town is a bigger hockey town than baseball town?
DUDE
Tampa Bay is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT the second biggest market in the southeast.
And the southeast is only one of six regions of the country.
Tampa Bay is the 19th largest metro market in the country. Only 10 MLB teams are in smaller markets (and that’s including Baltimore as a separate market from DC, which it’s not really).
Vogt early, Vogt often.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Adding Bradenton and Orlando metros with Tampa would help his argument, but it’s still a silly argument.
Bradenton I can maybe see
Bradenton should really be part of the Tampa metro area and not Sarasota, FWIW, because Bradenton gets all the Tampa TV and radio channels, but Orlando isn’t even remotely the same market.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Look above
And please use the reply button next time
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The Name No One Has Mentioned Yet: Talbot
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
The Braves have had conversations with several teams, including the Marlins, Red Sox, Rays, Tigers and White Sox, regarding reliever Will Ohman. But the Braves aren’t highly motivated to move the 30-year-old Ohman, who is making $1.6 million this season. He is also having the best season of his career, and is viewed as a late-inning left-handed option for the club in 2009.
They should re-open the gold club and offer to take the braves execs there pro bono
“Hot Lesbian Action” should be plenty motivation enough.
Doesn't mean his value should be given away while injured.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The braves are stupid, right?
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
He has a + fastball. That's it. He's injury prone and destined for the bullpen.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Not as much as top lefty prospects
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
How much is Mahay going to get?
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Injury prone?
He’s been injured, what, once other than needing TJ in 4 years? Where do you get that he’s injury prone?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Trade for Bradley put him in RF and sign Bonds
We’d win the world series with our eyes closed.
Bradley can't be relied on to play right field
he’s still too close to his ACL injury. I also have a feeling that the trop’s turf would completely tear his legs up. He’s a good DH option, but not a good RF one.
He was a '07 Draft pick...
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
'07 HS draft pick, in fact
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Not especially, he should be in A/A+ next year as a 20 year old. Thats ahead of schedule
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
why would the Braves want Jackson or Tracey? They seem very mediocre or slightly above average.
9 = 8
Someone to replace Tex as a bat
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
What the Braves want
1 report I saw this AM says in return for Tex they want a 1B, pitcher, and power hitting OF prospect. Can all be prospects, or a mix of majors and prospects.
By the way, just sat through a 5.8 earthquake centered about 20 miles from my office in the last hour. That’ll get your attention!
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 29, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
Kind of like your house is turning to jello, the ground is thundering.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 29, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If it was in upstate NY, it was likely pretty small
This is a whole other animal. At it’s worst you’re thinking your house will be collapsing. Full whole numbers of magnitude mean a 10 fold increase in strength. So a 5.8 is 100times stronger than a 3.8 – more likely the magnitude range in NY.
The opportunity to comment on the earth moving in your dorm room was almost irresistable.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 29, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a pretty good one
Anything above 6 is likely to do some significant damage. To compare, a 5.8 is 7x stronger than a 5.1.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 29, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Proximity is also a key factor
Don’t know how close you were to the epicenter of yours.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 29, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I was in the '89 World Series Quake
In the Stadium. I think originally it was called 7.0 but later moved down to 6.9.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And yeah
It was pretty scary. What was surprising was that the crowd cheered right after it happened, having no idea how horrible things were outside the stadium.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Warm body anyway.
Didn’t do much relieving for Yanks in AAA this season.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 29, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I know I have crapped on people for speculating
but we keep hearing the same names thrown out so in an effort to broaden the discussion I used MLB’s sortable stats to look at outfielders that have the most RBI off of Lefties. #6 with 24 RBI in 102 AB was Mr. Jayson Werth.
B-Ref shows him as a plus defender in RF that can sub in CF as well. The Phillies have a glut in the OF, but have a lot of holes in their rotation. Would anyone be opposed to a deal sending Sonny/Jackson to them for Werth? If you would do the deal do you think the Phillies would as well? Also, what does his contract look like?
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
How come I can't post links anymore blah
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He would be great
As would Nelson Cruz, Austin Kearns, Michael Cuddyer, etc. and we wouldn’t have to give up anywhere near as much as for Tex. I think the Phils would trade him for even less than Sonny/Jackson. I would start with Niemann straight up for Werth.
SC raysfan
I'm not really sold on Kearns
The guy has all-world talent, but hasn’t ever put it together it seems like. Cuddyer is going nowhere (Minn loves that guy and signed him to a good deal this past winter), Cruz I don’t know enough about, but it seems like he gets a lot of love on here. If Niemann gets us Werth straight up I think they absolutely have to do it yesterday.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The Phillies wouldn't trade Werth
Not with Jenkins sucking it up this year. And they really don’t have an OF glut.
by Kevin Gengler on Jul 29, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose Guillen wants to be traded
I don’t think we should get him or anything, but I’m sure our name will be thrown out there before too long.
I find it funny
that he’s talking shit about the only team in the league willing to pay and play him more than he deserves.
But considering
he has a .929 OPS versus lefties and is willing to “defer some of the $24MM owed to him for 2009-10” I’m sure he’ll be talked about plenty over the next two days.
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