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Do We Need to Make a Move?

As the team has continued its success into July, the Rays name seems to find its way into more and more trade rumors. Every year you see teams that are making deadline moves to bolster themselves for a late-summer playoff run. With the Rays playing like they are, everyone is waiting to see what moves go down. I just wonder whether or not it is really necessary to make a deal.

Quite often in deadline deals you will see teams trading for bullpen help. After watching the Rays this season, do we really need to add any more arms to our bullpen. Even with Percival and Reyes out, we still have quite the formidable pen. Grant Balfour has come up from AAA and brought his success along with him. You also have to consider what we could get in return for our bullpen and at what cost. To add another big stopper to the bullpen, it is going to cost the Rays some of our farm depth, which we hold like Frodo and the ring. Would anyone we trade for really be an improvement over the likes of a Wade Davis, David Price, or Mitch Talbot?

I have also heard the idea floated around that we could use the help of a veteran starter to hold down the back end of our rotation. While the back of our rotation could possibly use some help, they have still been doing a good job thus far. With Garza coming on strong, this gives us a very solid 1,2,3 rotation to take into the playoffs, if the situations arises. Jackson and Sonnanstine have had their ups and downs, but as a pair have been above-average 4 and 5 pitchers. You also have to consider the possibility of seeing Price or Davis being added to the rotations late in the season. If Price continues to pitch like he has, he would most likely be an upgrade or equal in value to nearly anyone we would acquire. More importantly, it would allow the team to not shell out any of the guarded farm depth.

Position wise the team has been solid everywhere from 1-9. The one area where we could use help is possibly in the outfield. The need for a right-handed bat has become more and more clear. However, I do not think the situation is as pressing as it is made out to be. As I have noted in the past, we have received some of best production from the RF/DH slots. An upgrade for Gomes could definitely be found on the market, but we have to be cautious to not give up too much for a minimal upgrade. If the Rays do make a trade, this is where I feel they should look to upgrade, but they have to keep their eye on the future at all times.

I have read and heard many times that the Rays have to make a move and take advantage of their depth in the farm system. I think the best way to take advantage of our depth is to hold on to it and not share it with anyone else. If they can make a deal that improves the team by not risking any major assets, then they should absolutely make it. They should not make a deal just because they are in a playoff race. The team as is has won 52 games before Independence Day, and I think they have been doing just fine with the guys they've got.

 

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Davis and Price or on another level, but I do think Talbot can be an asset out the pen. He uses a wide array of pitches with a solid changeup, which could be quite deceptive first time threw the order

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by Matt Bishoff on Jul 3, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Another starter...

I’d like the Rays to acquire another capable starter and moving either Sonny or Jackson to the pen. Not so much to boot one of them out of the rotation, but more to have insurance in case of injury. A small upgrade isn’t worth much, but the added insurance is.

I don’t think they need a stud. If they get a good deal than I won’t complain. I’m also not against bringing price up but I don’t know if he’s ready to start in the big leagues.

by tallyray on Jul 3, 2008 3:33 PM EDT   0 recs

With this philosophy

no trades would ever take place. We are doing great, but that doesn’t mean we can’t improve. Lots of prospects in AAA don’t do us much good, if they stay in AAA for the next three years, which is what they will do given the youth of our rotation. And yes, I think Harang would be an upgrade over all three of those guys. I also think Ruggiano is the answer in right, but I’m a blogger not a GM.

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by LeftRight on Jul 3, 2008 3:34 PM EDT   1 recs

I am not saying to not make a move

but rather, we shouldnt make a move just to make one…I think in most instances there really wouldn’t be an improvement over promoting from within

"I'd hate to leave right when the getting is good." -CC

by Matt Bishoff on Jul 3, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm against adding a reliever...

But for adding a starter. It’s much easier for a call-up to succeed in a relief role and I find it hard to believe they won’t. Fuentes is one player I’d approve of getting depending on what they must give up.

I’m also all for getting Harang.

by tallyray on Jul 3, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you need one more starter

I think it’s time to pull the plug on Edwin Jackson as a starter, but I wouldn’t trade the farm to pull in a Sabathia or someone like that.

If given a choice between giving up good prospect(s) or standing pat, I’d stand pat.

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by pocket8pin on Jul 3, 2008 3:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Harang

I am a little suprised that he has not been brought up in more trade rumors. Cincy is struggling and needs a change of direction. Maybe its because of the favorable contract – I am pretty sure they have him under control until 2012, so this might be costly.

Johnny let his baby brother sleep, through the back door and baseball, all the kids are waiting outside, Old days come and go too soon Old friends, heroes, lifetimes. Don't let a single memory fade away

by LeftRight on Jul 3, 2008 4:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Way off topic, but the cajon god of baseball is getting called up...

at least so says the side bar.. I guess Barty jacked his knee up pretty good stealing 3rd base last night. Weird tho, cuz he singled in 2 runs later inthe inning…

Either way, will be sweet to see Reid for a little while….

by Hazleton Jason on Jul 3, 2008 4:29 PM EDT   0 recs

No trades just for the sake of trades...

I’m not sure what problem we’d be trying to solve by bringing in Fuentes, assuming (as I do) that Balfour and Wheeler can be sufficient in the 8th/9th. As for a RF, I’d only do a move if it’s a major impact trade. No role player additions.

by gatorman2k2 on Jul 3, 2008 5:26 PM EDT   0 recs

Stark's take

Here is an article by Jayson Stark on the impact of deadline deals historically.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings

While I think it is somewhat superficial, I have read studies before that pooh-pooh the notion that deadline deals often put teams over the top. I particularly like the point about the possibility of getting players who are about to slump. It is one of the arguments I often use when there is talk about replacing one player who is slumping with another; if you do not look at large samples, you may simply be replacing one player about to go on a hot streak with one who is about to go cold.

Also, note that Stark quotes Hunsicker quite a bit.

by bobr on Jul 4, 2008 5:23 AM EDT   0 recs

agree

i really agree with your comments. Most anaylists seem to think the Rays should make a move for Sabathia or somebody else, but I think the starting pitching is fine. As you say in the post, adding Davis or Price is probably just as good as anybody we could afford. They are not proven, but lots of rookie pitchers come up the second half and seem to have success. Fuentes could be a good arm to add to the bullpen, and it wouldn’t cost too much. I think you are right, if anything we need a bat. Bay would be a great player to add, Nady would be ok, but beyond the fact that he is right-handed, I don’t think he gives us too much that we don’t already have. The Cardinals and Brewers have a lot of outfielders and need pitching. I would love to get somebody like Corey Hart, and with Matt LaPorta coming up, maybe they would be willing to part ways with him for some good pitching. But he might cost too much.

by free hotdogs on Jul 4, 2008 11:39 AM EDT   0 recs

Right-handed stick

The only glaring weakness in our offense at this time is the absence of a reliable right-handed hitter lower in the order. With Maddon running Hinske and Brignac out there eight and nine, we end up with four lefties in a row now. This leaves us particularly vulnerable to opponents’ lefty specialists late in close games. I know we can pinch-hit Aybar and Gomes, but they aren’t huge upgrades if the game is on the line. The addition of a Jason Bay or Ryan Spillborghs would be huge as it would add balance to the lineup.

by alorfi on Jul 5, 2008 1:56 AM EDT   0 recs

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