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An American League team source just called from Toronto (where the Rays are playing): Says Brignac and pitcher Jeff Niemann are the names coming up most often. Another source -- not with a team -- says the Rays will not part with the following three pitchers: David Price, Wade Davis and Hellickson. But a push from other teams could change that if the Pirates are eager for Hellickson, as it seems they are. Niemann, 25, is a 6-foot-7 guy capable of throwing hard, but he is not seen in the same class as the other three even though he is BA's No. 7 guy.

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2:27 p.m.: Neglected to mention this earlier, but Tampa sure is making things sound as if something will get done. The Pirates? Not so sure but, as the notebook mentioned earlier today, about 50-50.

by chancedj on Jul 30, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Another source -- not with a team -- says the Rays..."

Reporter: Hey guy on the street, I see that you’re wearing Rays gear.
Random Fan: Yep, proud of it!
Reporter: So…what do you think the Rays are going to do for the trade deadline?
Random Fan: The Rays will not part with the following three pitchers: David Price, Wade Davis and Hellickson.
Reporter: Solid. Thanks! (leaves)
Random Fan: Uh, what?

by kericr on Jul 30, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmm

as a pirate fan, but first and foremost a baseball fan, do you think the pirates are asking for too much by not just settling on a deal centered around Niemann? The Rays organization is so top-heavy with pitching prospects, i don’t see why they wouldn’t at least CONSIDER parting with hellickson or davis in a deal for bay, and maybe grabow thrown in.

by bucco on Jul 30, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hellickson is amazing and is now a top 25 prospect. No thanks.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 3:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Way for Hellickson or Davis

I don’t see whats so wrong with a Niemann/Perez or Brignac/Perez deal? Maybe even throw in another mid level prospect. Niemann could be a staple in your rotation for 5+ years. Whats wrong with that?

by Sveet on Jul 30, 2008 3:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed,

people are undervaluing Niemann b/c he’s in our system and overshadowed by some very elite level guys. i also think people are overvaluing Bay, and ESPECIALLY Grabow.

by davidsmarch on Jul 30, 2008 4:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you happen to notice the Splits?

Did anyone happen to see Bay is hitting .193 and slugging .349 against left handers this year. Seems to me like the Pirates would be getting the better end of the deal. We really do not need another player who cleans up against right handed pitching. We already have Gabe Gross,Eric Hinske, Cliff Floyd and Jonny Gomes are all doing better against left handed pitching this year then Jason Bay.

Devil Rays World Series 2009

by Japhei on Jul 30, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt they include Grabow for that

I think they’re hoping they can use Grabow to leverage getting a better centerpiece.

The other part of the equation we keep forgetting about is that the Pirates FO thinks they can sign Bay long-term if they keep him. It may or may not be true, although if they’re smart, they’ll trade him away now so they have an excuse to not give Bay (one of those ‘old player skills’ players who tend to fade at a relatively young age) a bad contract.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jul 30, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BARRY *sob* lamarbonds.... *sniffle*

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by B Ray on Jul 30, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why is Grabow deemed so valuable?

he’s having the best year of his whole career. up until this year he was league average or below…

by davidsmarch on Jul 30, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Pirates pitching sucks

We have Jackson, Sonny and Niemann and almost need to get rid of 1 or 2 of them. If the Pirates dont get a deal done, they FAIL. Jackson and Sonny would both be better in the NL central, and probably by quite a bit.

I dont see any reason why we would need to deal Davis or Hellickson to Pittsburgh, between Sonny, Niemann, Jackson and Brignac a package of 2 of them should be enough

by blazinrayz on Jul 30, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In the past, Friedman has made deals nobody saw coming. Last year, Friedman sent third baseman Ty Wigginton to the Astros for reliever Dan Wheeler. Maddon was asked if the scenarios discussed by Friedman on Wednesday morning were deals that have been speculated upon in the rumor mill.

“This one’s been under the umbrella of speculation,” Maddon said. “I think I read it somewhere.”

9 = 8

by websterjtc on Jul 30, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the Rays could make more than one deal.

“It could be multiple [deals],” Maddon said. “Believe me, [Friedman is] working very hard. He gets hunkered down and it’s ‘forget about it.’”

9 = 8

by websterjtc on Jul 30, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3:41 p.m.: Still nothing on the shortstop front, according to outside-the-Pirates sources. Looks like Jack Wilson will stay but, obviously, things can change in one phone call.

9 = 8

by websterjtc on Jul 30, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

update?

according to the insider on pittsburgh sports….
“3:57 PM. The frame work of the deal is close. The hold up is Neimann. Pirates still targeting him. Other teams in discussions. The offers for Bay are not insulting. A lot of insiders feel the Pirates should settle take the Rays offer of Hellickson and Brignac if they don’t include Neimann.”

this is obviously just a rumor site, but it’s interesting to think that the rays might be holding back on giving up neimann rather than hellickson

by bucco on Jul 30, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting if you like false information.

Nothing, absolutely nothing suggests the Rays are willing to trade Helllickson.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except, of course, that site...

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by B Ray on Jul 30, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahahahahaha no.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No fucking way they give up Hellboy

NONE!!!!

Niemann, Brignac and Perez for Bay and Grabow

by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A little taste from the "Heater" blog .... (why to stay here)

Mostly agree with the previous BUT--would you, for example, trade Upton, Brignac, Neimann, Gomes for Bay?? I absolutely would as Brignac probably will never make it up to Tampa with Bartlett/Zobrist ahead of him, Neimann would satisfy a big part of Pittsburgh’s pitching needs and it is doubtful he will ever make it here and Gomes is nothing more than “collateral packaging”-the key here is Upton and we are basically swapping Upton for Bay and to me, that is a no brainer..

Posted by: dick | July 30, 2008 at 12:40 PM

Call me corny, but I like the team we have. This is why I hate the Yankees and the Red Sox.

Posted by: Brian Jahna | July 30, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Why isn’t anyone mentioning Baldelli in the talks? hear me out first… Can we agree that Bay is essentially Baldelli with maybe a little less speed? Or you can say that Baldelli’s injury hampers that. So maybe they’re pretty much equal when Baldelli’s healthy? If we trade him now while he’s producing in the minors and include one of our stud pitchers would that be enough? We would then lose Baldelli’s salary creating room for Bay’s salary even though Bay’s is more. I’m not saying a straight up trade…but include maybe Brignac and a pitcher, maybe Morlan? how could the Pirates decline that? That may seem steep for us, but, if Baldelli doesn’t come back Friedman would be the master of another great move.

Posted by: Mark | July 30, 2008 at 01:08 PM

Maybe they can toss Jackson in the deal too.. I’m so tired of watching him bounce the ball in front of the plate, groove 90+ miles per hour fastballs over the heart of the plate which get crushed, and allowing the 8th and 9th hitters in the lineup to get on base. This kid never seems to learn from his mistakes.

Posted by: Marc | July 30, 2008 at 01:19 PM

Hellickson, Neimann, Ruggiano, & Gomes.

Or we switch out Hellickson or Neimann for Jackson or Sonny.

We keep Price and Davis, giving us solid call up options should one of our starters get hurt.

We do NOT want to give them Upton, that just moves to hole in the lineup from RF to CF.

This move is more important than for the filling of a hole, it tells the team, “look guys, we’re behind you, now go get it done.”

THAT would be a huge boost to these guys’s psyche.

Side note, Jayson Werth would be a nice addition failing Bay, but I’m feeling good about this.

by davelrogers on Jul 30, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Restrain you?! I think we need to restrain / ravage them!

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by B Ray on Jul 30, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

People on the Heater hate Upton.

The majority seem to think Carl is struggling because B.J. has worn off on him.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that you mention it Carl is kinda lazy

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My brain hurts after reading those

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“Can we agree that Bay is essentially Baldelli with maybe a little less speed?”

No.

9 = 8

by websterjtc on Jul 30, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he will rake

for whoever trades for him
BOOK IT

by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they booed him lustily

last season, I live in PA and get FSN Pittsburgh

by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice adverb, you're hired.

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by B Ray on Jul 30, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's too bad.

I rarely would want a player to get booed, especially at his home park.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they said he was dogging it

he was hiding an injury, you can see it in his numbers…

by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe he's still hurt?

His vs. LHP has been down since then…

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by B Ray on Jul 30, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or CURSED!?!!?

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by B Ray on Jul 30, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

:O

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well you can compare the two in the thought that Baldelli DYING too...

But that’s from a variety bizarre injuries and disorders… sniff

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by B Ray on Jul 30, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4 p.m.: Twenty-four hours until the deadline.

-This pirate blogger is great. can we trade Lancaster/Topkin for him?

9 = 8

by websterjtc on Jul 30, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't know if he's DYING to get out of pittsburgh

he’s always said he’d love to be part of their long-term plans and that he wants to stay….but nady was his best friend on the team, and i have a feeling all the losing coupled with the loss of nady is maybe making his feet itch

by bucco on Jul 30, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He probs just wants to play for a winner

Like that team down in Tampa Bay!

How good does that sound?

by rglass44 on Jul 30, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt Bay's desire to play for Pittsburgh (or not)

has anything to do with whether the Pirates deal him.

And not to get anyone’s hopes up…but I’d be surprised if this deal doesn’t happen.

by Peter Bendix on Jul 30, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"the loss of nady is maybe making his feet itch"

Did Nady take the only can of tough-actin’ Tinactin in the clubhouse?

by rayweaver on Jul 30, 2008 5:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

hey...

which one of you guys is dick vitale?

by bucco on Jul 30, 2008 4:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

:O

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish I made his kind of money

then I could actually AFFORD to keep the car in Manhattan

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jul 30, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm out

Hopefully after I get done watchin Chris Tillman deal to Matt Wieters we will have dealt for Jason Bay.

Leavin work early to go watch the Bowie Baysox FTW!

by rglass44 on Jul 30, 2008 4:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3:16pm: Kovacevic has more. Brignac and Jeff Niemann’s names are coming up in the Tampa Bay talks. ESPN’s Jayson Stark heard the same, and adds that Hellickson, David Price, and Wade Davis are off-limits.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3:16 CT for those who will say LATE

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jake at Bucco Blog

Has a source saying there is a mystery 3rd team involved (not the Rays or Cards). He doesn’t give any more info though. He speculates that the Rays rumors are being used to make the mystery 3rd team move. But I almost think it would be the opposite (mystery team used to make rays move).

by mymrbig on Jul 30, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are they saying Brignac and Niemann?

Or are they just trying to decide on one or the other for the centerpiece

by Sveet on Jul 30, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHAT

With Jorge Posada out, the Yankees have been hunting for catching help. They got it Wednesday afternoon when they acquired Ivan Rodriguez from the Detroit Tigers, according to ESPN the Magazine’s Buster Olney.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so they got another old guy that hasn't hit for power since he got off the juice?

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will say

nice glove though. My Tigers-fan friend is going to be pissed Pudgie won’t be at the game Saturday

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ridiculous

Oh well. Let’s hope they gave up too much.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jul 30, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Horne or Kennedy plz

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Yankees have acquaired catcher Ivan Rodriguez from the Tigers. Detroit will get right-handed pitcher Kyle Farnsworth, who played with the Tigers previously in 2005.

9 = 8

by websterjtc on Jul 30, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know really thats it

Don’t they get 2 1st rounders at the end of year if they don’t resign Pudge

by Sveet on Jul 30, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt it

Pudge is SO expensive compared to his production that it would be suicide to offer him arbitration, since you can only get a decrease down to 80% of the last year’s salary.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jul 30, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...

Gomes Farny fight this weekent I guarantee it.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still will happen

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yankees are hilarious

They know how to steal a headline

by tallyray on Jul 30, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they won't get the picks

See above. Would be retarded to offer him arb, unless they really want a $10M backup catcher.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jul 30, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess it's been done

I remember the Padres did it with Chan Ho Park, got him to agree not to accept the arbitration, but it’s nonbinding.

As a corellary, a similar type of backdoor deal got Boozer to reneg on his word and sign with the Jazz.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jul 30, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FARNSWORTHLESS?

Really, for pudge?

One sided.

by davelrogers on Jul 30, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pudge ain't that good anymore.

And Farnsworth has actually been quite good this year.

by Peter Bendix on Jul 30, 2008 4:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Debatable

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.755 OPS for a catcher

is most definitely decent if not above average

by Sveet on Jul 30, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems even enough...

An above average reliever for an average catcher

by tallyray on Jul 30, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4:46 p.m.: St. Petersburg Times reports “nothing imminent” and “a lot to be resolved” regarding Rays and Bay. Speculates that Pirates are fishing for better.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

;_;

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 4:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about asking for Bay and Doumit

Doumit can catch and play RF and LF, switch hits… just a thought

by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't think so...

i don’t see the pirates giving up doumit, they’re really high on (and why not? he’s cheap, and is putting up big numbers from a position that’s hard to get offense from). I’ve heard him and mcclouth are about as close to “untouchable” as you can find on the roster.

by bucco on Jul 30, 2008 4:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just a thought

We don’t really need a catcher, but hey why not…

by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4:56 p.m.: ESPN’s Jayson Stark supports the Brignac-Niemann foundation for the trade.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 5:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love these two guys

But it makes the most sense. They are currently blocked at the major league level for this year and next. And they both will be passed eventually

by matthan on Jul 30, 2008 5:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is that too much?

I’m on the fence if it’s Niemann and Brignac for just Bay-
I’d still pull trigger though

by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 5:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would too

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We aren't really going to give away Niemann and Brignac for Bay will we

I could see Talbot and Brignac or Niemann and Zobrist and a couple lower levels with both

by Dbullsfan on Jul 30, 2008 5:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

....Bay is really really good if you haven't noticed.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would rather Bartlett/Niemann

but I am a lot higher on Brignac than others.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 30, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree, 4 more years of Barty is scary

great defense but little to nothing with the stick

by Dbullsfan on Jul 30, 2008 5:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ill take his stick-lack for ridiculous defense

We need to get production from DH and RF and some more from 1b and you won’t notice Bartletts lack therof

by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 5:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fwiw Brignac plays the same ridiculous defense

the only question is how far behind is his bat. He was clearly over matched earlier this season.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 30, 2008 5:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont think Brignacs defense is on par with Bartletts...

but thats just my opinion. I feel that Bartlett is very important to this team. As can be see when he was on the DL.

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by St Pete Native on Jul 30, 2008 5:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt that

I’ve seen the 2 with my own 2 eyes to know that is wrong

by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've seen Brignac more in person than I've seen Barty

but I watch all the games online. I would say there is little difference between the two. Barty has a bit more range and Brignac has a bit more arm strength.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 30, 2008 5:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Niemann and Brignac for Bay would be a steal for the Rays....

Brignac isnt gonna see SS here in the near future, and Niemann wont be a starter for the Rays. Bay would immediately be the best offensive hitter on the team, and he fills a need…for this year and next. If we get Bay, and dont have to give up Price, Davis, or Helly…consider it a win.

by td32 on Jul 30, 2008 5:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ya i guess I agree

by the time barty is older, and starting to wer down, Becks should be ready…

by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 5:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are when Bartlett's contract is up, we can find a replacement until Beckham is ready...

People sweat Brignac, and I dont see it. Outside his Cal League numbers, he really hasnt done anything that impressive offensively. And the Cal League is a joke for hitters.

by td32 on Jul 30, 2008 5:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would guess the reason he still projects well at the plate

is that when he makes contact it is very solid. He drives the ball very well to the gaps and hits a lot of line drives. He was leading the IL in doubles at the break despite his poor average. I’m not saying he is as good as Longoria but the ball jumps off the bat in a very similar way. If he can get better plate vision and not chase he could become an above average hitting SS along with an above average defensive SS

by Dbullsfan on Jul 30, 2008 5:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually

seems like a classic win-win.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jul 30, 2008 5:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know we touched on this earlier . . .

but what about Bay’s trouble hitting lefties?

by tropbeachbum on Jul 30, 2008 5:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unlucky

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 5:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unlucky

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 5:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok . . .

i’m on board, and so is destiny (Jason RAYMOND Bay).

by tropbeachbum on Jul 30, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As of right now Bay is in the line-up tonight

maybe reasons to watch them play tonight in case he gets pulled.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 30, 2008 5:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whatever

they won’t finalize a trade during the game. There’s no reason for them not to try to extract more, even if they reach a tentative deal.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jul 30, 2008 5:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5:34 p.m.: Rays’ charter is in the air, and it is a three-hour flight from Toronto to Tampa, so chances of an announcement while the team is at 35,000 feet seems remote. Stuff like this invariably gets run by the manager. Also, just want to throw this out there: The Rays are looking for relief and, although I never have heard them connected to John Grabow, it certainly seems possible - pure speculation here - that the same thing could happen with this deal as what happened when Brian Cashman approached the Pirates about Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte last week.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we get Bay

where would you put him in the lineup? #3? #4? #5?

by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 30, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 or 4

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 6:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

where would he play...

in the field?

his next game in RF will be his second career start there.
Does he take over for floyd w/ a hinske/rocco/gross rf and gomes elsewhere? Thoughts?

by pmoc on Jul 30, 2008 6:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

6:03 p.m.: A source on the scene in San Diego, where Arizona is playing, reports quite definitively that the Diamondbacks are not a player for Bay. And this is not speculation. One wonders how many suitors there actually are beyond Tampa and St. Louis.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 6:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am really...

hoping that the Rays are simply content with their current offer and are letting the Pirates come to the realization that a better offer just isnt out there. (not that I have any idea what the current offer is…)

by pmoc on Jul 30, 2008 6:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like the only leverage the Pirates have is that they don’t have to move him. Otherwise, it doesn’t sould like there is a rush of competition out there at this time.

by RATW on Jul 30, 2008 6:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe we can throw in Elliot Johnson or Joel Guzman

neither one of them are going to get much of a chance with us

by Dbullsfan on Jul 30, 2008 6:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In that case, I hope they are relatively committed to dealing him for prospects.

by pmoc on Jul 30, 2008 6:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would guess

Aki
Upton
CC
Longo
Pena
Bay
Navi
Hinske
Barty

what I would do

BJ
Navi
Longo
Pena
Bay
CC
Hinske
Aki
Barty

by Dbullsfan on Jul 30, 2008 6:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5:59pm: Jayson Stark reports that the Rays and Pirates haven’t had much dialogue today, and that talks have slowed. The Pirates have backed off just a bit, but may want to see what happens with Manny Ramirez in case they can get the Red Sox interested.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 30, 2008 7:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I could really see the Red Sox overpaying for Bay just to keep him away from us.

by Vin on Jul 30, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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