6:24pm: MLB.com's Joe Frisaro is hearing about a three-way deal that would also send Jason Bay to the Red Sox.
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And if they do, Jason Bay is not going to Tampa
He will go to the Red Sox. And he will probably stay for a while. I am hoping they keep the pissed off Manny or we will get screwed.
I'd rather see Jason Bay in LF than Manny for Boston
Manny may be a head case but he is a much better player than Bay.
.301/20/68---.282/22/62
pretty even numbers, Manny on the left and Bay on the right. I’d still rather Manny
Bay doesnt get the pleasure of playing in Fenway
Yet at least….Then again the NL sucks, so maybe its a wash
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know we have a lot of young guys outside the top 5 (davis, Price, Hellickson, Niemann, Brignac)
that other teams would like . Talbot, Guzman, Salas, Jaso, Zobrist, Ruggiano, Nowak, Barnese, Cobb
28 major league teams
Must identify a way to help their trading partner in a deadline deal. For the other two, they simply cite a need and allow other teams to find a way to help them.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
Steve Phillips just said Rays expect Boston to end up with Bay
and have fallen off in going after him. Gammons said Kevin Millar would be a good fit and expect the Rays to get a bat still.
Sources told Baseball Prospectus’ John Perrotto that Manny Ramirez is on the verge of being traded to the Marlins for three players.
Perrotto says one of them is top outfield prospect Mike Stanton. Baseball Prospectus isn’t the best source for breaking news, but Perrotto is a veteran reporter for the Beaver County Times and is pretty trustworthy. Still, it’s worth noting that Ramirez is still in the game for the Red Sox.
ESPN’s Jayson Stark reports that trade talks between the Pirates and the Rays regarding Jason Bay have slowed.
Bay was included in Pittsburgh’s lineup tonight, while Reid Brignac started for Triple-A Durham. Stark says one reason talks may have slowed is because the Pirates suspect the Red Sox will go after Bay is a Manny Ramirez trade gets done or maybe even as part of a Ramirez deal. Jeremy Hermida would be a nice return for Bay.
This pisses me off oh so bad!
‘Sorry Andrew, I’ve got to put you on hold…ESPN says they’d rather me trade Bay to the Sox’
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
not anymore he's not
manny is the best RH hitter in baseball. I would rather pitch to any other RH bat in the league than a healthy Man Ram. Having Manny/Ortiz b2b has been the most important thing for Boston the past 5 years
Bay
It seems like we went through this with the Bucs in the off season. They just dont want to pull the trigger. If the redsox get Bay and the Yanks already making moves be prepared to finish 3rd. PULL THE FREAKING TRIGGER…....LAND BAY NOW
Overreacting is fun.
I have a feeling RJ’s taking friday off.
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Good news
Red Sox now want Stanton, Hermida AND Ryan Tucker
Marlins aren’t too dumb, if the price is that high, Marlins wont get Manny and the Sox will have no room for Bay making us the clear front runners.
Please keep trying to make them overpay, Sox.
This just in from the Marlins game
The idea being tossed around:
Hermida to the Pirates
Bay to the Red Sox
Manny to the Marlins
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I'll keep you informed
If Hermida is pulled from the game, we’ll know
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 30, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
announcers for Durham talking about Bay now, but nothing new
still saying Pitt wants 2 top line prospects
Anybody REALLY taking one for the team by watching NESN?
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 30, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody can withstand the inanity that is Don and Remdawg.
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 30, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm watching Pirates, Rockies make Zach Duke look passable
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This isn't as close as people seem to think
Hermida, Hammer, Manny and Bay are all playing
And just for the hell of it, so is Brignac.
Fernando Perez isn’t playing but it is probably just an off day especially with Bay playing.
I’m hearing that a multi-team deal involving Jason Bay and the Florida Marlins is in the "final stages." This could involve the previously in-place dealings involving Manny Ramirez as reported by our own John Perrotto. Joe Frisaro of MLB.com thinks that Bay could end up in Boston, Jeremy Hermida in Pittsburgh, and prospects flying every which way. My sources agree, though I will update as details become clearer.
http://baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=966
I am sure the Pirate scouts are there
but that homer wont change anything, they know what kind of player he is and even if Davis gave up 10 in 2 innings, that wouldn’t change anything either.
Btw am I the only one who likes Hellickson more than Davis? That control is sooooo awesome
Juan Salas pitching now. I am kinda suprised we aren't hearing mention of him
He was pretty solid last year in the bigs and has been real good this year with Durham
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I am up late all the time...
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I will attempt to sleep
and fail. either from excitement that we are gonna get Bay or depression that we have to face Bay. So yeah, I will be up for a good amount of those 20 hours.
I am going to have to get a little sleep
just because I had to fly across the country today….
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I usually fall asleep about three minutes after takeoff, but the last two trips I’ve sat next to the old person who tells you their life story which lasts for the duration of the flight.
Once they let you turn on your Ipod
I fall asleep after like 2 songs. I could not sleep well on the 2nd flight but the first one I slept like a baby.
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No. That will have the title of Bay-Watch
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 30, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i am watching the game...
with no sound.
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Bulls broadcast is a combination of how much Jeff Weaver and Morgan Ensberg suck
and why Grant Balfour is an aussie god
Met a guy who played with Grand in Australia....
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i mean Grant
sorry typing on this and playing the show so I mess up
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off topic but Jeff Weaver sucks
he is now given up HR’s to Zobrist, Brignac, and Jon Weber (Weber’s going about 430 feet)
Manny is trying his hardest to get out of Boston
if they actually traded him for prospects, I would be very giddy. but damnit when I woke up and looked at all my sites, I thought Bay was coming to Tampa!
I'm sure this would never happen but hypothetically speaking but
would a team have to forfeit a game if they used a player who had been traded. Like if the papers got sent in for a Bay trade and he finished the game with the Pirates?
Idea
What if
Marlins get Manny
Pirates get Brignac and Niemann
Rays get Bay
Red Sox get Dunn
everyone is happy and gets what they want/need. Power aside, I would much rather see Dunn go to Boston than our man Bay and it is really starting to look like Manny is leaving Boston this time.
The Rockies informed all the teams interested in reliever Brian Fuentes on Wednesday afternoon that they would decide late Wednesday night whether to put Fuentes on the market. All those teams also were told exactly what it would take from their club to get Fuentes if the Rockies opt to trade him. At least three of those clubs - the Mets, Phillies and Rays - have told the Rockies that, because of the price, they’re out of the Fuentes derby.
9 = 8
eh, whatever
Those jackasses want either a top prospect or a ready now very good SP. Maybe we get away with trading Sonny but I would honestly rather keep him than trade for a rental of Fuentes.
Angels up 6-2, Beckett is out
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8:52 p.m.: I am aware of the three-team scenario that has been floated in some circles - some more definitively than others - that would get Bay involved in a three-way trade between Boston and Florida that would send Bay to the Red Sox, Manny Ramirez to the Marlins and Jeremy Hermida to the Pirates. But I just spoke with a source in Miami who threw water over the whole thing, even the more commonly reported Ramirez-Florida straight-up suggestions. Waiting for independent confirmation either way.
It didn't sound right in the first place
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"...8:52 p.m.: I am aware of the three-team scenario that has been floated in some circles - some more definitively than others..."
Translation: Peter Gammons is a retarded Boston Honk talking clearly out of his ass.
Goodbye 1B errorless streak
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 30, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
don't cry!
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They kissed and made up on Opening Day this year
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 30, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Jacobs is out of the Marlins/Mets game
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nah, it's nothing
Jacobs is pulled by the 7th every game. Bad defense from Cantu at 3B and Jake at 1B. It’s like us with Gross always going to RF.
Salas got pulled which kind of suprised the announcers
but had given up a couple of base runners so it was prolly nothing.
They never had a real chance
because they were never gonna give Rasmus. It has somehow become Red Sox vs Rays and I hate those odds.
Price i can deal with
but Hammell, Niemann or Talbot would replace the other and that will make us worse. Lets not fuck with our pitching until Price comes up.
I wouldn't either, but that price is way too much man.
You’re trading a 21 year old future 3 and a current above league average 4/5 for a few months of a 35 year old DH.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve Phillips just commented that replacing Ramirez with Hermeida\Hammer or Bay
would not make the Sox better. I think he’s starting to get it…
The thing with the trade
No, it wouldn’t make the Sox better, but they wouldn’t really be worse either. The Rays on the other hand, would have no opportunity to get better because after Bay, there doesn’t seem to be anything left on the market in the way of effective RH outfield bats.
Friedman needs to call the Bucs now and give him a 3rd decent spect
or maybe consider trading Hellickson, we can not let Bay go to the Sox
Yankees trade for Nady, Marte and Pudge
Sox trade for Bay and Grabow
Rays trade for…....
Why should he?
This seems like a bluff.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Gammons mentioned tonight on BT that when Baldelli comes back he would only
be able to play OF once a week if that.
I don't think they have a choice
If he’s healthy and says he’s ready to go, they either need to play him or DFA him. Earlier in the year I’m sure he would have been more open to the idea of an extended rehab, but he has to be thinking this is his last, if not next to last shot to prove himself able to contribute for a MLB team.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Baldelli was clocked at 4.1 seconds
Running from home to first. Thats very good for a right handed batter.
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Just throwing this out there.
Favre in RF, he’s got an accurate gun for an arm… so he could throw runners out from the track, AND he’s RIGHT HANDED…
Honestly though… these Rays trade speculations are almost as mind-numbing as this Favre thing…
Exhilerating….
Can Favre go away and never come back?
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Except the Favre thing is just stupid.
This is Friedman not relenting at Huntington’s bluffs.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
The Rays FO is absolutely spectacular… the Buc’s… maybe a little slow or something..
I just hope something definitive comes soon.
by mrichardkent on Jul 30, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I mean the entire Favre thing
All four parties involved: NFL, Bucs, Packers, and Favre. It’s unbelievable that they can’t settle this within a few days.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
come on Friedman
we need to have these starters
C Navarro
1B Pena
2B Iwamura
SS Bartlett
3B Longoria
LF Crawford
CF Upton
RF Bay
DH Baldelli/Hinske
Make.It.Happen
beane is still waiting...
Street/Murton are there for the taking
so would we put Murton in RF and Bay at DH?
If we got Street, Murton and Bay, print the playoff tickets. Howell, Balfour, Wheeler, Percy and Street is sooo lock down. Then if we would just call up Salas to replace Reyes/Miller/Hammel…....
We would lose a lot of the farm but we could actually get all 3 and keep our top 3.
I am just dreaming but it’s a nice one.
WE NEED ONE AND BARRY LAMAR BONDS!
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FUCK FAVRE I HATE HIM
THIS IS A BASEBALL BLOG STOP TALKING ABOUT FAVRE
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BRETT LORENZO FAVRE
BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS OF STEEL.
Phillies still Have Werth
It might be better for us to get Werth, who is a lefty killer and it wouldn’t cost us much more than just Niemann!! I think Werth is the fall back anyway.
SC raysfan
Agreed
We’d need to give them someone who can contribute NOW. They want to make the playoffs as badly as we do
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
no....
7:59
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7:59 Am
Sharp!
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sounds good...
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The Phillies need pitching
We have the guy they need to let them win the NL East and A 4th outfielder when we can give them Ruggiano if we have to would work fine for them.
SC raysfan
maybe we can give up a guy like Chris Mason for Andruw Jones
worth a shot, he can’t be much worse offensively than our DH and could play CF (BJ to right)
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yea I'm serious.
It may not even take Mason. LA eats the contract and worst case scenario we either have a gold glove CF and one of the best defensive outfields in baseball or we cut him in 3 weeks and you never know maybe he can thrive in the smaller market without a lot of pressure.
stop smoking crack...
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B.J. hurts this team by being too much of a conformist.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we can sign him latter
but not sure…
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I'm not really sure what a Big R is...
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Postseason Roster deadline is 8/31
Though its pretty easy to circumvent with the injury exception
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny will not go to an NL team
How would Boston justify his defensive value. The NL GM would say if you think he is good defensively then why trade him? He can not DH in the NL and they dont want to trade him to an AL team for fear it will come back to haunt them. This is a bunch of bunk. Manny isnt going anywhere unless it is the waiver wire. If that is the case Theo Epstein is dumber than I thought he was.
Why Would he not mail it in...
Its a big Fuck You to the fans and the media in Boston. That is Manny being Manny so to speak until it gets on their nerves then Boston sees it like the rest of the country. Manny being Manny is really just code for Manny being an asshole. Manny can barely play the easy left field in Fenway. Imagine that scaled up to the HUGE field in Miami. Not gonna happen.
Let me rephrase … I guess that would make the Marlins FO dumber than I thought they were. None of this talk would be happening if Ortiz was still on the DL. Manny would be the DH up there now all the sudden they realized how shitty of a fielder he is and that they are overpaying for two DH’s and they should save money, now they are trying to dupe the Marlins into taking Manny. If I can see it why cant anyone else?
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 30, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Jacobs was removed from Wednesday’s game against the Mets after six innings.
It wasn’t a situation in which he’d normally be pulled, so there was either an undislosed injury or a trade. Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus said he’s heard talk of Jacobs being part of a deal for the Giants’ Bengie Molina.
9 = 8
John Perotto reports that discussions on a three-way trade between the Red Sox, Marlins and Pirates could also include Jack Wilson and John Grabow.
Manny Ramirez to Florida, Jason Bay to Boston and Jeremy Hermida to Pittsburgh would be the foundation of the deal. Perotto, who said earlier this evening that a deal sending Manny to Florida was on the verge of getting done, doesn’t follow through with that here. However, he says that talks are alive and that multiple variations have been discussed. In one version, the Red Sox would get Wilson from the Pirates and give up Jed Lowrie. In another, the Marlins would acquire Grabow in exchange for pitching prospect Ryan Tucker.
9 = 8
I cannot see this happening.
Too many moving parts.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I refuse to believe it
Bay is ours! Sox can’t have him! and Marlins aren’t trading Stanton, Tucker and Hermida anyway, not to mention that makes Manny or Willingham the worst RF in recent memory…..
And it's almost July 31st.
God this is awesome.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
How many friends you guys got
Who early in the year said something along the lines of ‘Talk to me in August’ when you were giddy about the Rays in April? For me, at least 4 I can think of offhand
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Theres this dumb message board
That banned me for saying the Rays would face the Marlins in the world seris
I don't have too many Rays fans, tons of Sox/Yanks friends.
So about a half a dozen.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well all of the people I'm thinking of
Are yanks fans
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Some lady I used to work with was a 'big time' boston honk
She got a copy of the home game right after the first sweep of boston this year. Coincidence?
If we win the divison
I am walking back to my English teacher, he is a red sox fan, and just going “TOLD YA” cuz I wrote on his wall that the rays would win it this year. I will be so fucking happy he has given me shit the last 4 years.
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he is probably getting a blumpkin...
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by SRQman on Jul 30, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In the end
we wont give up any of our top prospects. Friedman is going to pull off some ninja shit here tomorrow and pull in a RP no one is talking about like Balfour last year.
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Meanwhile, the Pirates continue to talk to Tampa Bay about Bay. The Pirates are interested in a number of the Rays’ top prospects including Class AAA Durham right-handers Wade Davis and Jeff Niemann, shortstop Reid Brignac and center fielder Fernando Perez along with Class AA Montgomery right-hander Jeremy Hellickson.
http://www.timesonline.com/articles/2008/07/30/sports/doc48910c85889b0922905013.txt
looking for the best offer
if we give them Hellickson and Brignac, why wouldn’t they still talk to us?
but we aren’t gonna trade Hellickson.
I love this stuff. It's so much fun!
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
Andruw or bust lol :)
it is nice to not be thinking about what prospects we will be getting at the deadline
Manny is an overpaid DH...
Its a big Fuck You to the fans and the media in Boston. That is Manny being Manny so to speak until it gets on their nerves then Boston sees it like the rest of the country. Manny being Manny is really just code for Manny being an asshole. Manny can barely play the easy left field in Fenway. Imagine that scaled up to the HUGE field in Miami. Not gonna happen.
Let me rephrase … I guess that would make the Marlins FO dumber than I thought they were. None of this talk would be happening if Ortiz was still on the DL. Manny would be the DH up there now all the sudden they realized how shitty of a fielder he is and that they are overpaying for two DH’s and they should save money, now they are trying to dupe the Marlins into taking Manny. If I can see it why cant anyone else?
Anyone else
Would be (insert name) getting his ass fired! Must be nice!
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny in FLA = only if Loria is being blackmailed
He was part of the shady Marlins-Expos-Sox ownership switch-a-roo.
/ end tinfoil conspiracy
Here is my dream scenario
The Rays call a press conference at the end of the trade deadline. Tons of rumors swirling but there is nothing definitive. Bay is still a Pirate.
Andrew walks to the podium and 5 seconds later another man walks in behind him. This man is wearing a Rays jersey that can barely fit him due to his muscles. This man is wearing a hat that does not fit him do to his oversized head.
This man is Barry Lamar Bonds.
LEMMIE TELL YOU SOMETHIN...
...ALL MY LITTLE ROIDINACS ARE PULLIN FOR ME 100%! WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN ALL THOSE ROIDINACS RUN WILD ON YOU RED SOX NATION!?
Hey RJ, anything going on with the Wheeler rumours?
I thought I read something a couple days ago that he might be on the market?
whoever wrote that should be fired
I have no inside info, but I can guarantee we are not trading wheeler
Don't think so.
Talk like that always happens.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
the thought was Balfour taking over the 8th inning and CTB
I was guessing it would have to be a pretty sweet looking deal.
We should tell the Pirates that we are willing to compromise and that we would be willing to trade...
Wade Hendrickson for Bay
by matthan on Jul 30, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Well nothing is imminent
As the Pirates are still talking with the Rays
I really want Bay but now that it’s Sox vs Rays, we can’t get TOO desperate and trade someone we will miss bad.
It is like the Red Sox and Yankees have infinite prospects that they can continue trading for vets
Shouldn’t their farm systems be dry by now? Especially the Yankees….
they don't trade any worth a damn
Yankees only traded Tabata really and who knows if that headcase every becomes anything…
the Yankees system is dry but they get away with it by saying we will trade you 3 of our top 10-15 prospects
when maybe only 1 of those would be in our top 25
Couldn't we just throw in someone like Perez
and get this done
by KazforPresident on Jul 30, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions
Or Salas, or talbot or freaking anyone
We do not need ot have an elite minor league squad.
From BP
The Commissioner’s Office has been informed of a deal involving the Pirates, Red Sox, and Marlins. The Commissioner has to sign off on any deal involving cash considerations of more than a million dollars and there was clearly going to be cash involved in any deal. There’s also some formality about Manny Ramirez waiving his 10-5 rights and no trade clause and I’ll admit not understanding the technicalities.
Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow
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Dumb move by the Pirates
DOn’t they already have 3 OFs in Pearce, McClouth, and McCutchen?
There goes the Marlins chance
Manny might be great especially against NL pitching, but teams will abuse his defense.
by KazforPresident on Jul 30, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
why on earth would the marlins do that?
a Manny 2 month rental and 1 prospect for Hermida and 2 prospects? That is freaking ridiculous. The prospect better be Masterson
Marlins lead the majors in homers and have shitty pitching
So they trade 3 young pieces for a power hitter, genius move. At least I can watch Manny play RF and laugh
Also
why would the Pirates trade Bay for an OF? I guess McCutchen still doesn’t get his chance. Tyler Yates is gonna be the closer when they are actually winning, idiots.
Colorado won today
that probably takes Fuentes (and if he was there, Holliday) off the market. There are no big bats left.
I'd prefer someone with a higher batting average
Yeah I know, BA is a sucky stat. He’s got good power numbers, but it’s really hard to drive in runs with a walk. It’s quite easier to do so with a hit.
It's hard to look like you're hustling all the time when you're 6 1/2 feet tall and weigh 275lbs
The guy’s as big as a freight train. I don’t want him because he’s not hitting for average so I don’t care whether or not he hustles anyway.
RJ is right...the SCREAMS Bluff!
These 3 way deals with multiple top pieces getting moved almost never work out.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
This is no where close to official
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If there is any questions on whether Manny would accept this trade
After eating dinner, Ramirez re-emerged in the clubhouse and said playfully, “Oh yeah, Marlins. Tax free. Stay at home.”
Will Ramirez, a South Florida resident in the offseason for many years, indeed go home for the remainder of 2008?
the thing i don't like about Dunn is that he doesn't get any doubles...it really is only homerun or walk with him...
i still like him though
9 = 8
or a K
if this trade is official, we lost the best bat we could of gotten. (except for Tex but I don’t think we ever really tried for him)
Trade's not official at all
If there even is a trade.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny would have to agree to it and they just finished
We talk about it loosely but it’s a big deal to these players. I’m sure he would want to talk it over and think about it.
Could the Rays try to sabotage the trade by...
trying to take the place of the Marlins in the 3 way trade and offering Pitt better prospects. Then Boston would want to trade with the Marlins and the Pirates would want to trade with the Rays? If nothing else it could force Boston to put a better prospect in the deal to Pitt.
If you like him so much,
why don’t you marry him?
Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez on acquiring Manny Ramirez:
Manager Fredi Gonzalez laughed off questions about a possible deal and where Ramirez would play for Florida.
"I think we’ll just straight DH him," Gonzalez said.
wow, they just keep going
D’Backs have offered Tracy for Dunn. If he goes, then our options would be to trade Price for Holliday or do nothing so I guess I would have to hope for nothing
:(
I would hope we would make a big move in the off-season
We have the depth in pitching prospects, at some point we will need to make a move.
or we can just try to win a bunch of AAA titles with a rotation of Niemann, Talbot, Davis, Hellickson
Yes
God forbid we have Niemann and Talbot as bullpen arms next year while Davis and Hellboy are in AAA
Blake
USF--Class of '09
It doesn't matter how good your pitching is if you can't score runs
And their stats don’t tell the story of exactly how good their pitching staff is.
well if we still make it
we will be a playoff team with all of our prospects and then we will feel like geniuses. Boston, LA and New York are so scary though.
According to Manny he has been traded to GB for Favre
He had a sign in the dugout tonight against the Angels
I know his act may get old after a long time of it
but thats hysterical. You gotta love the sense of humor.
Blake
USF--Class of '09
ROTOWORLD
ESPN’s Peter Gammons believes the three-team Manny Ramirez talks will stretch into Thursday and that a deal is still unlikely to be completed.
It’s been 40 minutes now and no one has joined Will Carroll in saying that the deal is done or even all that close to being done. Skepticism is still warranted.
And then signing him to an extension!
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So wait-we definately want Bay right???
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
As long as marginal benefit matches or exceeds marginal cost, yes.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you undervalue the marginal benefit of the first playoff appearance in franchise history
As well the the way a big deadline deal could energize the fanbase
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you only read the heading of what I wrote?
No player is the end all be all….but he certainly helps our chances of making our first playoff appearance more than any minor leaguer not named Price
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I would agree with that to an extent
but I still believe that we are going to see a few of the guys begin hitting better over the coming weeks. And while I like Bay, I think it would only be a good trade if we don’t overpay. Otherwise, I’d be fine with trying out Rugg’s until Baldelli gets here, and then roll the dice.
Blake
USF--Class of '09
I'm sure our offense will improve
Unfortunately, the Yanks just filled a gaping hole with an above-average producer, and the Sox aren’t going to continue to play this poorly. I expect both Boston and NY to play better than us from here on out. How much better, and whether its enough to catch/surpass us remains to be seen.
3 games is bigger than it looks…especially in a 3 team race. But at the same time, we defintely have every reason to be sweating right now.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It will be tight until the end
but at least we have them beating up on each other as well.
I still think the Yanks have pitching problems. And I am thankful that the Sox have Manny being such a pain that they cant stand him even with his production. Otherwise, Boston is pretty damn solid.
Blake
USF--Class of '09
interesting..
i’ve been lurking for awhile and i noticed some of you guys saying the pirates trading for an outfielder doesn’t make sense….but it seems to me like NH is just doing what you guys have done up to this point: stockpiling talent. we’re not trying to build a “team” that can win right now, we’re looking to stock pile as much talent at the minor league level as we can, to hopefully see who develops and then deal the rest (presumably if we’re ever contending) for legit players. saying the trade is “stupid” just because you think we should settle for a sub-par pitcher and a shortstop prospect who your organization is ready to give up on and has never developed properly is ridiculous, take off your homer glasses and look at it from an unbiased perspective.
Do us a favor and do the same
“k we should settle for a sub-par pitcher and a shortstop prospect who your organization is ready to give up on and has never developed properly”
Never developed properly? He’s 22.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
WE EDWIN JACKSON'D HIM!!!!!!!!!
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
but trading for an always hurt, never has lived up to hype OF
is a good idea for Pittsburgh??
Who do u have @ SS once Jack leaves ummmmm no one
And right now Jeff Niemann is better than Snell, and Duke
now you tell me what you should be trying to get
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't indicating that he was.
I simply answered the question of who plays short after Jack Wilson leaves.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
that's beside the point...
i don’t think the management is really concerned right now with replacing jack wilson at shortstop…we’re conceding a losing season this year and hoping to compete in 2010. Yes, our pitching is terrible, but in the trade with NY we got a couple of stop-gap pitchers that can hopefully at least slow down the bleeding while we wait for legit prospects to come through….also, i’ve heard whispers that if jack wilson is involved, and heading to boston in this trade that jed lowrie would come back to pittsburgh, a better prospect than brignac.
how do you figure
they have the same tools, neither of them walk and Brignac plays better defense- Lowrie has just gotten off to a better start…
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Lowrie is two years older than Brignac
And has an OPS of .793 in AAA, Brignac’s is .718.
BA rankings: Brignac 39, Lowrie 73.
Hey, if we put negative signs in front of those numbers you’d be right!
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
compare what they've done in the majors
lowrie is .284/.341/.392 compared to brignac who hasn’t shown he can hit major league pitching….i’ll concede that lowrie isn’t necessarily a better prospect, but he’s certainly a better option than bixler, and definitely not a big step down from brignac, if any. all i’m saying is this trade isn’t a complete coup for the red sox, and the pirates aren’t stupid to be rejecting the rays offer in favor of this one…
and when it comes down to it...
i just feel like if this trade is legit (which at this point, who knows? it could all be bs) that you guys can’t blame it on the pirates just making the “stupid” decision to pick this offer of the rays offer…i don’t necessarily agree that the rays should mortgage their future for jason bay, hellickson looks like an incredible prospect, and most likely will be a solid mlb pitcher, i just think at the end of the day you might have to admit that the rays just got outbid.
When did Niemann become a sub-par pitcher?
Also, if the three-way deal were to actually go down, it looks like the Pirates would be getting a very good deal, better than the Rays should offer. It just doesn’t make any sense at all for the Marlins.
Over-valuing our prospects?
Are we just thinking the sun shines out the arses of our prospects? Come on, Bay would be a solid contributor and I’d hate to think we miss out (to Boston no less) because we wouldn’t get rid of our 3rd (yes, third) best pitching prospect (Hellicky).
Hellboy and Brignac seems like fair value for Bay.
by rays_world_champs on Jul 30, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
3rd best pitching prospect, 24th best prospect in the country.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
u see what Manny has been saying in Press???
they almost HAVE to trade him now…
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
who said what?
I have no idea what you are talking about cuz you did not reply.
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Manny did what?
you make no sense cuz you don’t use the REPLY button
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ESPN trade blog
says that the rays are now in conversations with the reds on dunn…
We're probably in conversations
with a whole lot of people you haven’t heard about. The Rays don’t talk to anyone about what they’re doing.
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assuredly they are...
maybe these “sources” were reds sources….
will lmao if we aquire someone like jj putz or some other reliever that we haven't been connected to
Blake
USF--Class of '09
u know thats exactly what is going to happen
and when it does it will make perfect sense and we will all be like “well damn!!”
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 30, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Please, no.
Dunn can barely play left, there’s no way he has the arm for right. So, what do you do defensively if we get Dunn?
I introduce you to a little thing I call the
Designated Hitter…
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The AL is tight like that!
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stay with Hinske-> Gross
the lack of DH production is hurting us more than the below average defense from Hinske
He's pretty good
.235/.356/.467 is his 3 years splits against lefties. That doesn’t require a platoon and is better than any of our righty DH’s.
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And Dunn leads the league in home runs and would have to be a strict DH for us. That’s not enought.
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