Trade Deadline Open Thread Part One
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 6:00 AM EDT
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First!
My vote is no trade. Rocco will be up soon and Price as well in mid-August.
Should be an interesting day
I think we will get a couple of deals done. Starting with a ML bat, whether it be Dunn, Beltre, Ibanez, or a lesser name I’m not sure. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see us make a minor league deal or two. One guy I see getting moved is Joel Guzman. Maddon really seems to like Ben Zobrist as a utility guy and if anyone is coming up as a back-up utility type it will be Zobrist. Guzman is also blocked in the long term by Longoria. I could see us trying to move Aybar and call up Guzman but I think Maddon likes Aybar’s versatility. We could also move a guy like Elliot Johnson who has reached his ceiling with the franchise.
He loves writing out signs like that.
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2008 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Just a quick question
If someone were to swap us out in the potential three-way trade with the Marlins, what prospects would you guys be willing to give up if we got Manny Ramirez?
Keep in mind: according to most sources, the Red Sox are eating the last guaranteed year of his contract.
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
I'd rather give up less and get Bay than trade the farm for Manny
not to mention Boston would be stupid to trade Manny within the division
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As for Adam Dunn
It’s a good idea if the trade for Bay falls through. Rotating him and Rocco could give us enough options against LHP to get us the rest of the way.
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I thought we were looking for a guy that could consistently hit Lefties.
Getting Gomer’s mentor doesn’t really help us much considering Dunn makes Gomer look like 1994 Griffey in the field and they are both 3TO guys
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
is that why dunn is leading the league in HR's with 32 and almost has a OBP of .400
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
Actually, yes...
Those are all-star TTO numbers.
RISP by K/PA, K/AB, Slash
Dunn
2008: 28.5%, 37.2%, .256/.384/.593
Career 25.2%, 34.2%, .226/.413/.479
Pena:
2008: 29.9%, 38.0%, .239/.359/.489
Career 25.4%, 32.1%, .244/.371/.485
Longoria:
2008: 25.6%, 31.1%, .236/.318/.491 SSS alert
That seems like an awful lot of strikeouts from our potential 3,4,5 or 4,5,6. Maybe better than GiDP, but I get pretty frustrated when a guy cannot put bat on ball with RiSP. In this scenario a lot of times a single is all you need which is reflected more so in BA than OBP. If we are looking for someone that can get a hit I think there are better options than an all or nothing Left-handed (which we don’t need) slugger that is just as likely to walk or strikeout as get a hit with a man on second.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
i bet it is josh fields who is blocked by joe crede and all of their OF
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
he is on the DL they cant trade him and they would look stupid trading him since he has bounced back this year
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
the manny deal is know at 50/50 according to jayson stark
no link just saw it on mike and mike in the morning
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
actually here is a link to it http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3512363&name=mlb_trade_deadline
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
the manny deal is know at 50/50 according to jayson stark
no link just saw it on mike and mike in the morning
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
now not know
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
OT: Packers reversing idea of trading Favre within NFC North
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ya probably the lions, i couldnt see them trading him to the QB straved vikings and bears
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
You fail at replying
but anyway, I’m a Bears fan, and even I think that Favre in a Bears jersey is just sacrilege.
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MAYBE THEY'LL STILL LET HIM WEAR HIS PACKERS NO.4 JERSEY
WHEREVER HE GOES.
As a fellow Bears fan:
I can’t help but think how SWEET it would be to have him wearing GSH on his shoulder this next year – think what that will do to the Packer’s most storied quarterback!!! And besides, we’d win the Superbowl.
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how is epsn going to announce a griffrey trade and they dont know what the chisox gave up in return?
me trying to figure out what they got in return is driving me crazy
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
Sucked in
Can’t believe a middle aged business owner like myself has been sucked into this blog! Former Bay area resident now living in Chi with the only 3 sons in Chi land to wear Rays stuff every day. Blog is great. Still don’t beleive Bay to Sox goes thru. Also don’t believe Rocco will help this year (hope is a better word, but hope is not a good strategy). I do believe that the Rays are very good and will be for years to come. Just bc we have an abundance of pitchers in the future, don’t give them away now. If a trade is made, we must receive value. I want to win this year, but also next. I certainly wouldn’t give any of our top 7 for Dunn or Top 10 for Beltre/Ibenez etc. These prospects will be just as valuable in the off season or next trade deadline. Not saying don’t make a trade, just don’t give it away just bc you have it. Bay is worth any of our guys from 4 down.
Welcome to the blog!
Yeah, I think RJ lines the web pages with some sort of addictive additive, otherwise I can’t rationally explain why I keep coming here to torture myself with Statistical Overload.
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more from Jayson Stark
Here’s what I know about the status of this deal, as of this morning:• An official of one of these three teams placed the odds of this getting done today at “50-50.”
• Multiple sources have said that outfield prospect Mike Stanton is not in this trade, although Boston asked for him and Pittsburgh has been insisting on a prospect of his caliber, in addition to Jeremy Hermida and other prospects.
• Despite reports that left-handed reliever John Grabow would wind up in Boston, indications are that he would actually go to the Marlins if this trade gets done.
• The status of Marlins pitcher Ryan Tucker (recently sent back to the minor leagues to be converted to the bullpen) remains uncertain. Tucker, according to a baseball man who has spoken to the teams involved, is still a name that’s “in play.”
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OT, but how does JP Ricciardi still have a job?
They had a lineup with Scutaro, Zaun, Wilkerson, Mench, Stairs and John mcdonald
9 = 8
He doesn't work in Boston or New York
He may not have a job after September anyway
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I had them pegged to finish second...
That’s not so bad when you consider I thought SD might win their division.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
True
Considering they have an offense that makes ours look like the ‘27 Yankees
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Their pitching and defense is all world
As a Rays fan you should know a little something about that
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
According to the Dallas Morning News, the Reds have "expressed the most interest in" Gerald Laird.
Why would the Reds be buyers?
9 = 8
They sent KGJ to the ChiSox
I don’t know what they’re doing in Cincy anymore
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I think they are looking for a catcher for the future
The Rangers are a great place to look for that.
The Seattle Post Intelligencer reports that the Mariners have made J.J. Putz available in trade talks. The newspaper notes that the Red Sox and Mets “have popped up as possible trading partners” for Putz, who would likely draw plenty interest throughout both leagues even given his injury concerns. If Putz is traded, the Mariners could reconsider their plans to move Brandon Morrow into the rotation.
9 = 8
i think i might be pissed if
the sox get Bay after I’ve been fantasizing about having him in our line up haha
I don't know how true that is this season.
Bay’s about nine runs better on defense and Manny is only about five on offense.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
He's killed us for years, too
but until this year, who hasn’t?
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Well, yeah, who doesn't have good numbers against us that played when we were pitching guys like McClung, Colome, and Sosa?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still trying to figure out how Longo lost the HRD
I mean, isn’t Brian Stokes in the Mets system? Why didn’t Longo give him a call?
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Okay, lemme phrase it like this
Would you rather face the Sox w/ Ramirez or the Sox w/ Bay?
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I would say they stay about the same
so if they make the trade and have to give up prospects then they are actually giving something up to be just as good
Bay will struggle in LF in Fenway
No one is as good there as Manny. I think the defensive upgrade is somewhat mitigated by that. Manny also tends to kill the ball down the stretch and in the playoffs. Who knows about J-Bay? How will he adjust to the media circus that is Boston? If he starts slow, what happens with him and the fans? Manny is a crowd favorite, and I think there are a number of Sawx fans who still feel that way.
Wouldn't the games away from Fenway even out, even if Bay does struggle?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
You’re arguing in favor of Manny because of his defense?!
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Which means what, exactly?
Considering he plays fly balls worse than anyone out there…
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever watch how opposing LFers fail at playing defense
off of the Green Monster?
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"I'm at work"
Don’t you love saying that and doing this?
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 9:52 AM EDT reply actions
I've got multiple computer screens at my desk
and today one is dedicated to the trade deadline all day.
You guys are damn lucky.
My mother just got a new apartment, and unfortunately I have to “help” her move. Meaning I have to move all of her shit, all day. Awesome
by jacksontsmith on Jul 31, 2008 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
just curious
RJ what do you do for a living?? U do sucha good job here, just wondering how you can be here and work at the same time?
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 31, 2008 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Harvard, really?
What are you studying? I didn’t think they had a major in sabernomics…
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I'm getting my undergrad in English and Econ right now
I’ve considered Harvard for grad school, but that’s mighty close to Fenway. I don’t know if I would last…
B Rad the Ray Fan
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Yeah, Oxford or London School of Economics
are my first choices, though. I can get my masters in a single year in England…. But miss all the Rays games :(...
B Rad the Ray Fan
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But I'd be using a FL credit card
Wouldn’t that nullify my being in England?
B Rad the Ray Fan
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Go to London.
London is amazing. And if you’re willing to stay up late, the Sports Cafe has baseball games.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Your avatar is second best on site behind Kanye Joe Maddon.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I've visited London before
and really liked the city. That’s good to hear they’ve got an avenue for baseball fans get to get their fix.
B Rad the Ray Fan
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Business Admin for me.
Focusing in finances though.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice
I’m actually taking Level 1 of the CFA in December. I should be taking it in Miami but I just switched it over to Atlanta as it is the same day as the SEC Championship. Since the Gators will be in it I might as well kill two birds with one stone.
Actually I'm about to buy BCS Championship game tickets
I am that confident in this season. Of course if they don’t make it I’ll just flip it and make a few bucks.
glass
what do you do now? are you in dc? is this too much information to share?
by FanDisplaced on Jul 31, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean I have my real name as my name
So, I don’t really care. I got a job here in DC w/ Sprint in their financial division. It’s pretty lame, but I just surf the net all day. They are starting a telecommute one day a wekk program. So pretty soon I will have Friday’s off, FTW.
Do you like it in DC?
I’m flying up there tonight for the weekend. Nats game worth it?
by jacksontsmith on Jul 31, 2008 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm in DC for a summer internship
I had a pretty fun time at a Nats game earlier this year. Spent $14 on bratwursts alone.
B Rad the Ray Fan
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DC is OK
Tons of self important D-Bags, but there is a lot to do. A lot of young people here, and a ton of my friends from school live here. The Nats games are OK. The product on the field is subpar and the stadium is generic. If you can try to go to Camden if you haven’t been before. It crushes the Nats stadium in all categories except concessions.
donlin just got up there
i think at least- but he might be living in arlington
by FanDisplaced on Jul 31, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
florida
moving up there next week i think. sutton’s living with kayla – thats actually prettty funny – isn’t he making t-shirts or something?
by FanDisplaced on Jul 31, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
No idea
Talked with him very briefly last weekend because Dee found out he was living up here.
Congrats on UF that’s pretty tight. Have fun in the library for the rest of your life. Zinger!
You in tampa rright now? I’m coming back Saturday for the week.
Yeah thats what I was thinkin
I’d rather see Camden as well.
by jacksontsmith on Jul 31, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Not so much
the point of getting rid of Manny in the east. Its more, we’ve been linked to Bay for a while now, and have Boston sweep under our noses and dangle Manny around just leaves a sour taste.
By the way, have you people been doing this all night?
Per Heyman's blog:
“More and more, the Rays are looking at Adam Dunn as a realistic possibility. He isn’t the right-handed hitter they have been seeking, but he would bring them needed power. He leads the majors in homers over the last five years (198) and this year (32). He also hit two Wednesday night, boosting Reds GM Walt Jocketty’s position.”
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 9:57 AM EDT reply actions
regardless of whether he's the right hander we've been seeking, he's a solution at DH,
use a solution at RF to get our right handed batter…
Wait, you like Dunn
He is one of my fav players. It surprises me when the anti-stats guys like him though.
yeah, i like dunn
obviously he has his pitfalls, but what he’s done, and what he can do for us outweighs those.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
If he can DH (which I think he’d have no problem with), he is an absolute game-changer. If you bat him third, the only time you won’t have guys on base in front of Longo and Pena is when he knocks them in.
Per Pittsburgh PBC Blog
9:55 a.m.: When one looks at this from the Tampa perspective, it is easy to see how the Rays might feel some additional pressure to part with one of those golden prospects and get this done with the Pirates: The Rays, Red Sox and Yankees are in a tight race. If the Red Sox get what they want (Bay), that is not good for the Rays for that reason alone. The Tampa link there is the first I have heard of Reid Brignac being in the untouchable category, by the way.
Sorry for all the posts, google reader started beeping like crazy!
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
he did homer last night
lol maybe thats why!!!
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 31, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently so...
According to a Topkin blog entry in the Heater.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/2008/07/deadline-day.html, second paragraph from the end.
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Is losing Brignac that bad?
I thought we just used the first pick on a SS. Seems like Bartlett can hold down the position until Beckham is ready.
Cards moving Lohse?
per Jayson Stark
Here’s one of the most surprising names to pop up on the “available” list in the last 24 hours—Kyle Lohse. Officials of two teams that spoke with the Cardinals report that they’ve been offering to deal Lohse if they can get back the right package.The Cardinals have been looking for both a bat and a bullpen arm. And apparently, they concluded they didn’t have the prospects to get both. They got Chris Carpenter back from the disabled list Wednesday, with Adam Wainwright a couple of weeks behind. And they have no assurance they can re-sign Lohse because he’s a Scott Boras client.
So Lohse could dramatically alter the starting-pitching market Thursday if the Cardinals can find the right taker. Among the teams still looking for a starter: White Sox, Rockies and Yankees.
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That usually means it's a new comment.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i still think we are severly undervaluing Niemann
the fact that we have Price, Davis, Hellickson, and maybe even McGee moves Niemann down to our 4th-6th best pitching prospect. but, those are ace type guys. how many teams have multiple ace types in their system? not many. in many systems Niemann would be arguably their best pitching prospect, a top 3 guy in many many systems. we shouldn’t undervalue him, or what he’s done this year where he has improved across the board, just b/c we have an exceptionally deep system, we still have to get value in return.
We're trying to move him, but most teams want Price/Davis/Hellickson instead?
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my guess is that most teams see that he's blocked by those 3,
and are trying to get neimann at a bargain.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
About McGee....
How much did his prospectus REALLY fall off with the injury? His name has not seriously come up, but in many cases, TJ surgery has actually helped pitchers, so why are we not really dangling him out there to a team who is looking for someone maybe 2 seasons down the line, a true rebuilding team like the M’s?
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
i don't think his star has fallen at all.
but no team will trade for a guy until after he comes back from TJ. like you said, some guys come back stronger, but obviously there’s always a chance he won’t come back at all.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Except what would we want from the M's that they could send us?
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Just an example.
But I wouldn’t be opposed to Raul Ibanez….
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
won't happen
but word is they were looking for a couple B-Grade prospects, so Mcgee and maybe Perez?
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
But...
how much tarnish does TJ put on him, and where do you think he falls on the top 10 list at this moment?
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
01. price
02. davis
03. hellickson
04. mcgee
05. beckham
06. jennings
07. niemann
08. brignac
09. barnese
10. rollins
?
9 = 8
Unless something goes wrong and he's never the same.
Which is a distinct – and often overlooked – possibility.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The big issue is control
He had none before, and this is the area where guys that come back from TJ struggle the most.
Rockies may have the lowest winning percentage of any buyer at the deadline ever
Go NL West…
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The NL West
This years disgrace to American baseball.
B Rad the Ray Fan
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Remember in March when people thought that division was the best in baseball?
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Listen to this crap
In my AL only league, the commish messed up the waiver numbers, and I’m gonna miss out on Tex as a result. I also had Rich Harden. I also have Manny. Bye Bye title.
Because he got traded to the AL
The guy that got the BS waiver number (reverse of what they should actually be) had the number 1 pick (a-rod). He also took B-Rob not realizing that he was supposed to get moved to CHC. No way he doesn’t win the league.
pfft
You don’t need to be productive at work…
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by JMB on Jul 31, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't get this
Why do people say “Rec’d”, then not actually rec the post? Click on actions, folks.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
I see the rec...
I don’t know how to make you see it though…
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The fact that I am at work right now is fucking torture
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 31, 2008 10:21 AM EDT reply actions
Well I'm looking at it as I'm getting paid to sit here and wait and see what the Rays would do
Although granted if I wasn’t working I’d be hung over and probably sleeping right now..
HAHAHA awesome
I have like 15 minutes of work, and 5 minutes of Rays coverage, then back…
lots of “refresh” button
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 31, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OMGZ HAVE WE MADE A MOVE YET?!!!!1 OUR SEASON IS DOOMED IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING!!1
Until the deal is officially announced, I’m not going to believe this Manny to Marlins stuff.
by RATW on Jul 31, 2008 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Whats the ages of everyone here?
At first I thought we had a bunch AARP card holders here…guess not.
19
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
you young kids.....get off my lawn!
I’m turning 36 in September
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Patrick gets no love lately where is that guy
I’m 25
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he said he had to study for the Florida Writes
or else they won’t let him pass the 9th grade…
FALSE
He is studying for the FCAT so he can someday get to the 9th grade.
B Rad the Ray Fan
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I knew it was one of the two
In other news, he said that his Little League team was vying for the state championship.
30 fuck twice?!
That’s got be like 60 and double fuck, if my math is correct!
B Rad the Ray Fan
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Mazda's 10 Car Dash commercial is the stupidest I've seen in a while
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one would hope...
Who goes if Bay comes? Gross?
Gross or Gomes.
Gross would be redundant if Baldelli comes in. so if Bay and Baldelli come in, both Gross and Gomes may be gone.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather keep Gomes than Floyd
I’d hate to part with Gross… Not sure why…
I saw Wieters last night
He is the freakin man. 2 doubles that he absolutely smoked. Tillman looked great in the first then struggled. Live fastball, but he had trouble locating the curve and it was a bit loopy.
Wieters was a man-child. He was taller and thicker than anybody on the field. He should be the number 1 prospect in baseball on at least one list next year.
I think so
Wieters’ bat would be all-star quality at any position, but he plays a premium defensive position. His arm was great although he is a bit tall. I’d just take the sure thing. Which I think Wieters is more of because any start Price or Kershaw’s careers could be over.
Wieters is awesome
but the Price guy definitely alleviates the pain
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Your goal in life must be to torture yAk
Why don’t you pimp Lincecum while you’re at it?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
What should the line up be once we acquire Dunn?
I don’t want to see Pena and Dunn back to back…maybe Dunn 4, Navi 5, Pena 6, CC 7?
CCs going nowhere..
I’d say
Aki
Upton
CC
Dunn
Longo
Pena
Maybe Maddon will stockpile lefties again...
and do something stupid like Iwamrua/craw/pena/dunn
9 = 8
Oh no....
and the Cowboys are trying to deal for Simms!
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I love how the guys on First Take talk about Manny/Sox in the spot
where they were supposed to talk about us
Screw ESPN
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i know i was like how in hell do you start talking about the red sox again when the rays are the topic
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
Manny trade is down to 50/50
Not going to happen.
The rumor changes every 5 seconds, Manny pulls this crap EVERY year and Pirates basically want Price and Wieters for Bay at this point.
Also, I don’t see the Marlins trading 3 young players for Manny.
How many times has Manny not been traded now?
This is at least the third time a Manny deal was imminent. 3-way deals for superstars NEVER happen. Just too many details to iron out.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Carl Crawford has not been traded EVERY DAY.
Delmon Young was extremely good at not getting traded for the first part of his career.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Can somebody explain to me why the M's haven't moved Washburn yet?
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they are stupid they had the chance to move his big salary for nothing and they blew it so far
this is why the mariners suck they sign guys to big contracts and when they have the chance to dump those salaries they dont
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
they want Austin Jackson
and if that wasn’t insane enough, they will not take on a bad contract either. Why do the Mariners do anything? Because they are stupid!
Yes.
He’s the guy who SIGNED Washburn.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's why
The Seattle Post Intelligencer reports that the Rockies were “shocked” when the Mariners asked for both Dexter Fowler and Casey Weathers in exchange for Jarrod Washburn.
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so
I thought the second was a double, and the last 2 are home runs.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It's set up like some backyard baseball game
over the house is a homer, but off the roof is only a triple
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait a minute......
This morning I skipped over the main part of this article and just read the updates, but now I actually read the article and thought wtf.
“Heard this morning that the Pirates consider themselves open-minded on both fronts, the Boston-Florida one as well as Tampa, and that there is no deal, tentative or otherwise, in either direction.”
This, from the main Pirates PBC blog in the Pittsburgh Post. Does this make sense to anyone else?
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:39 AM EDT reply actions
Terrible skew
Great American Ballpark != Tropicana Field and Production w/Reds != Production with Rays
His H/A splits suggest he's still a .900 OPS hitter away from the GAB
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You still can't reflect his production for the Reds onto that graph. It's not valid data for Rays production.
We know he’ll be an improvement, but that graph makes it look like he’ll save lives.
He's a firefighter during the off-season....
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Dunn could hit it out of Yellowstone
Park effects won’t matter for him
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Dunn would be a shot of viagra go our limp DH Position.....
BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING.
What about Kyle Lohse?
Cards are offering, looking for a bat and a bullpen arm in return. Discuss?
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
I agree...
but we have the pieces to pick him up, and then deal him out in a three-party? Nothing’s happening, so I thought I’d bring it up.
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
how do the sources get their info?
like, does brian cashman call up buster olney and say, “hey buster, we just traded farnsworth for pudge”?
9 = 8
I remember peter gammons saying it's a lot of give and take
The front offices use the reporters to find out information about other teams
what about Gammons then since he is basically a member of the FO and a "reporter"?
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm... Okay, that's pretty reasonable.
If Craig Monroe kills himself, do we have to trade YOU?
B Rad the Ray Fan
www.we-use-more-than-one-stat-here.com
Arthur Rhodes Traded To Marlins
According to ESPN’s Peter Gammons, the Marlins have acquired lefty reliever Arthur Rhodes for 22 year-old righty Gaby Hernandez.
yeah?
what do you know about the people involved?
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Well the obvious
Arthur Rhodes: old, 40 LD% (I have no idea how that’s possible)
Hernandez: young,
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
that is the obvious
i don’t really know much about Hernandez, other then he’s young.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Solid, not amazing
Statistics. Still young. I believe he throws pretty hard, too.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Why are they rushing him so much
He hasn’t had much success at any level, yet they have pushed him to AAA at 22. Stupid Fish.
Promotion
Is not only based on statistics. Perhaps he was working on something, thus making his stats look worse than they were.
That’s just an example. Just cause he’s in triple-A doesn’t mean he was necessarily rushed.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Or
it’s that he was a polished pitcher who didn’t have much to work on, so there’s no benefit to keeping him down. Actually, I know it’s that. He’s just stagnated.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
He's almost half of Rhodes age.
Unless he has half the arms I think it’s a good deal.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Surprised there aren't more predictions.
I think the Man-Rammer deal goes south and with no other legit deals out there, the Pirates “settle” on whatever it is we’re offering.
Regarding the rumored Manny Ramirez three-team trade, Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com quotes “one source with knowledge of the discussions” as saying that “if anyone thinks this is a slam dunk, that’s not the case.”
Rosenthal notes that the basic framework for a trade remains in place, but “the teams still have yet to agree on the players in the deal” that is said to revolve around Ramirez, Jason Bay and Jeremy Hermida. Contrary to previous speculation, Rosenthal reports that Marlins prospect Ryan Tucker and Mike Stanton are not part of the trade. He adds that if the Ramirez deal falls apart, the Pirates will turn their attention to trading Bay to the Rays.
9 = 8
Manny isn't going anywhere
I just can’t see it. Too much risk for all parties (except the Pirates)
To clarify
I think it makes it less likely that the Pirates deal. If it looked like they were going to get Hermida, and then it falls through, Huntington might just not trade Bay to save face.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Face.
I think Huntington cares about improving the franchise, not saving face.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Major League was made with which team again?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Below the belt.
Don’t make me make a David Price voodoo doll.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
All GMs care about saving face
Otherwise you’d see more five-year plan type moves, rather than try to make sure my ass still has a job next year kind of moves.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Simply untrue.
Those make-sure-my-ass-still-has-a-job-next-year guys tend to get fired.
And replaced by guys like Neal Huntington.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Pirates/Reds begin to negotiate the price lower
Good stuff
TAMPA BAY RAYS: 2008 CITRUS SERIES CHAMPIONS
I really hope
We have deals in place for Bay and Dunn so we will have time to get one of them. Bay PLEASE PLEASSSSSE
how about both of them?
could you see our team with both of them? all our weaknesses filled, all our problems solved.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
nah
neither of them will break the bank for us. Dunn would be nice, but he’s not going to command a kings ransom.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how we'd pull that off
I have to imagine there’s some overlap in who’s being offered.
Although that might be sweet.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
It could happen
They still have the pieces to do it. I just can’t imagine it actually happening
10:53 a.m.: Just got off the phone with a couple people - non-Pirates - and there seems to be this growing sense that it is the Pirates really dictating this process. There are too many teams and too many moving parts to imagine that they are outright playing one deal off the other, but they probably are as close as they can be to doing exactly that. The Pirates’ thinking, according to one, is that they want two high-end types and one or two others, depending which direction they turn. Obviously, giving up Grabow makes for the higher number.
9 = 8
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
PBC Blog. Dejan Kovacevic
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
per Jon Heyman
Competing GMs say the Mets’ Omar Minaya is “itching’’ to do a deal. And it’s no wonder with the Yankees stealing the show across town and the competing Marlins close to possibly adding superstar Manny Ramirez. However, a lot of Mets people want to hold onto their top prospects, including outfielder Fernando Martinez, and pitchers Jon Niese, Eddie Kunz and Robert Parnell. Seattle requested “two premium prospects’’ for outfielder Raul Ibanez, and Mets people don’t like that idea. Minaya is spending more time on the relief situation, which is looking iffy lately, especially with Duaner Sanchez’s radar gun readings down.
The M’s want TWO premium prospects for Ibanez?
TAMPA BAY RAYS: 2008 CITRUS SERIES CHAMPIONS
The Seattle Post Intelligencer reports that the Rockies were “shocked” when the Mariners asked for both Dexter Fowler and Casey Weathers in exchange for Jarrod Washburn.
Even the good white outfielders find ways to fuck up.
Gabe…
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
HA!
Wow, what a jackass.
Maybe I should be lobbying for their GM job. I probably have more negotiating experience than their current GM does.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
In other news...
Two teams I don’t care about talked about names I’ve never heard before.
B Rad the Ray Fan
www.we-use-more-than-one-stat-here.com
Also, from MLBtr
The Marlins can cross Ivan Rodriguez off their list of catching targets, though they did make a concerted effort according to ESPN’s Jayson Stark. They obviously couldn’t part with a veteran reliever; in fact they just acquired one in Arthur Rhodes.Stark says the Marlins are still looking for catching help. He believes Bengie Molina will stay put, but Gerald Laird, Ramon Hernandez, Gregg Zaun, and others are still out there.
I wonder if the Buccos would include Ronny Paulino to get a deal done. He’s decent and was supposed to be the starter going in to the year.
I can't help it! I post this picture every day!
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The Pirates Don't Deserve Any Of Our Prospects...
They’ve been trying to rip us off and Friedman won’t have it…
I say we trade for Dunn and hope the Pirates wind up with nothing!
How dare Pittsburgh try to make the best deal possible!
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
Teams are only allowed to bend over for Boston and New York. Didn’t you get the memo from Selig?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't think we can compare
one will play Rf, the other DH.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I love me some Dunn
But Bay is more valuable right now.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Bay, because of his team control for '09
It’s not like Dunn would re-sign here- Where I think Bay would
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 31, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
So assuming Manny stays in Boston
how much longer does he dog it? Or will his teammates “suggest” he gets his act together. Is he confident his latest episode has the Sox unwilling to pick up his options (even though they might have already been)?
This reminds me of that scene from 'Little Big League'
Where the kid leaves his star pitcher in the rotation and says ‘Hey Mac, what’s the going rate for a pticher who can’t get anybody out?’
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Manny Ramirez is the reason why the Red Sox haven't been successful in the last five years.
Oh wait…
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
does the espn
deadline trade coverage start at 1?
they changed the time didnt they? it was supposed to start a hour earlier
i bet espn is holding out that extra hour because they are scared to lost manny from boston, but i dont see that deal happening now that it seems that that deal is failing apart it seems like the rays might jump back into the jason bay deal
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
Does anyone know
Does the page autoupdate if you’re looking at it through a cellphone?
I have to leave the office soon…
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Pull the trigger on Dunn already
We could really use his power production…
10:16am: The deal awaits Griffey’s approval, but it’d be for Danny Richar and Nick Masset according to Danny Knobler. The Reds will hopefully be willing to kick in some cash for Junior to approve the deal if necessary.-mlbtr
9 = 8
per MLBtr
10:16am: The deal awaits Griffey’s approval, but it’d be for Danny Richar and Nick Masset according to Danny Knobler. The Reds will hopefully be willing to kick in some cash for Junior to approve the deal if necessary.
Dont understand how this makes the Chisox much better
Seems like a (George) Steinbrenner move
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't either
US Cellular helps LH power hitters but unless they’re going to platoon Konerko and Griff at DH, tough to see where this is a huge help
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Per Heyman:
“The Rays’ superb play has surprised them a bit, so they didn’t expect to be buyers at the trade deadline. They hoped to contend by 2009 or perhaps ‘10. The Rays appear to be adjusting to their new role as trade-deadline buyers, but with Jason Bay possibly going to Boston in the Manny Ramirez deal, it appears that Adam Dunn may be their best shot. It is believed the Reds are seeking some of the Rays’ vaunted young pitching, including Jeff Niemann and Jeremy Hellickson. Tampa has refused to include big shortstop prospect Reid Brignac in the Bay deal. So presumably he’d be off-limits as well for Dunn, who’s lefthanded and doesn’t fit Tampa quite as well.”
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 11:22 AM EDT reply actions
How do I get a blue box like everybody else?
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
quote feature
right next to the ‘B’ ‘I’ and S
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
that's too much for Dunn
in my opinion. the luster on Brignac hasn’t diminished that much for me, and Brignac is still a #2/3 projected big league pitcher.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd agree
but the fact that we have Price, Davis, and Hellickson makes Niemann really useful as trade bait. Besides, we can’t hold onto EVERY pitching prospect we have.
TAMPA BAY RAYS: 2008 CITRUS SERIES CHAMPIONS
agreed, he is useful
but we can’t undervalue him simply b/c we have better.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Me neither
Bartlett under control through 2010, Beckham drafted…need a stopgap between then and not let Brignac rot in AAA. For me, he’s the most expendable prospect we have and should bring a nice return
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Long live the Cajun God of Baseball...
somewhere else.
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a good defensive SS that has a history of hitting
He is also 22 in AAA. At worst he appears to be an everyday player at short.
If he's not expendable
No one is. Maybe he’ll turn into a stud one day, but his performance certinly isnt trending that way
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
22 in AAA. best infielder defensively in our system. a history of power and potential. he is adjusting to AAA fine, his hitting will improve (not that it’s all that bad yet as its)
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
From what I understand
all you get is another day older and deeper in debt…His value lessens everyday, even of he progresses
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
that's not even close to true,
maybe if he was 25 or 26, and played another position. but he is 22, in AAA, and playing short stop. he has a very high value as is, and it will just get higher if he continues to improve his game as he has.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
they're coming,
he seems to have really improved his defensive game recently. i’d expect him to put more emphasis on offense soon. as a SS though, you know his value is mostly defense. having a great offensive SS is a huge commodity.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
But his value before was because he was a good offensive prospect...
I just dont see his numbers justifying that label
Age is hugely important in evaluating a hitter's future.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, that's why he has value...
Some players fulfill their projection, others dont. All I am saying is that Brignac has never been a great hitter at any level outside of the Cal League.
his first stint in AAA he his .300
but was considered just an OK defender. he seems to have payed more attention to defense, letting his offense slip somewhat.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
he seems to occilate,
he’s improved his offense, now he’s improving his defense, and his offense is somewhat lacking for AAA, next i expect another offensive improvement. he does seem to be having a bit of a down offensive year, my guess is that that remedies itself next year.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
from 05 to 06
while he was considered a hitter, but poor defender. i would think he has payed more attention to fielding lately, which is why BA now considers him our bet fielding infielder, letting his batting slip. but i would also expect that’s correctable.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He was excellent in 2006
Average last year in double-A (despite being only 21 years old), and below average this year at age 22. He can remain in triple-A next year and still not be considered old for the league.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
You guys are smart guys...
You cant be serious in using his Cal LEague numbers
why not?
it’s solid competition, and the he was good at AAA the same year. like i said, his bat was ahead of his glove, now his glove is ahead of his bat. as soon as he catches his bat up, he will be ML ready, b/c his glove is right now.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry bro...
The Cal League is a notorious hitter’s league. You have to take their offensive numbers with a grain of salt.
And he went to AA, not AAA, for 110 AB’s. He hasnt done anything offensively outside the Cal League. Like I said, go look at Brandon WOods numbers
and will he stick at Short?
he played more games at 3B then short in 07.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed that his Cal League numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt.
But I am doing so. His numbers at age 21 in double-A were pretty good, considering his age and position.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Right...good for his age..
That’s why he is still a good prospect some project to hit for power as a MLB SS. BUt he is still a lot of projection. That’s all I’m saying. Not Tim Beckham, low minors projection…the type where he is young for his league, and will he mature into a more powerful hitter.
I don't think we're arguing anymore
I’m not even sure we disagreed in the first place :)
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not trying to hate on Brignac...
I’m just saying there is plenty of projection left with him. Go look at Brandon Woods number when he was a minor league SS.
If they hold onto him
Let’s hope you’re right. Because if they’re really giving up on Dunn/Bay for him, he better turn into a star.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I havent watched Brignac outside his MLB debut...
And I’m not going to judge him AT ALL based on that. But I dont get it. Outside his Cal League numbers, has he ever been that impessive offensively?
So you'd rather stand pat?
Than trade Brignac for a Bay/Dunn who could potentially put us over the top?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
SLG .440 in AA and .404 isnt that impressive...
I understand he is young, which is why he has value. PLus, maybe the doubles he is hitting now, will become HR’s as he matures. But his current career numbers arent impressive.
They are when you consider he is a SS
Can you name a better hitting SS in the minors right now?
Elvis Andrus? No
Lowrie? No, he was a couple years older at every level
Moustakas (if he sticks)? His #s are about the same as Reid’s were at that age
Brandon Wood? Anothe guy that probs isn’t a SS, but his numbers aren’t that much better if you look at his age and the fact that he’s in the PCL.
Chin Lung-Hu? Nope
Triunfel? Not yet, he’s young but we’ll see.
Hooray
Is he a FA after the season?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anybody know how these phone calls really go?
Is it like a “How do you like this guy” type of thing or is it different.
Oh, to be a fly on the wall….
Probably something like this.
“Okay, so you know that trade we agreed upon a week ago? Let’s wait until 3:45 to send it in. And might as well leak some rumors, too.”
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
If you own a copy of Moneyball
Beyond all the sabermetric and moneyball stuff is a pretty good look into how a front office works. Like when Beane’s trading for Rincon or trying to trade for Youkilis.
by Kevin Gengler on Jul 31, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
or in Madden
where there is a “interest level trade bar” type of thing
“OH! It’s Green!! Take it! Take it!”
Better yet
These aren’t the prospects you are looking for!
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Your prospects are in a different castle!
by Kevin Gengler on Jul 31, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
per mlbtraderumors.com
THURSDAY, 10:33am: SI.com’s Jon Heyman says the Reds seek players such as Jeff Niemann and Jeremy Hellickson in a Dunn trade. Niemann probably could be had.
Seems like "Tobey" is traded a lot.
Guy must have attitude issues or something.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, i solved the mystery of the golden post...it's when you click the new comment pop-up thingy.
9 = 8
Per Buster Olney, who states the obvious four hours later....
“The Rays have been involved in conversations with the Pirates about Jason Bay, who would fill their need for a right-handed hitter perfectly, and for the Reds’ Adam Dunn, a left-handed hitter who leads the majors with 32 homers and has a .385 on-base percentage. But with less than five hours remaining before the trade deadline, the Rays weren’t sure which way their talks would go—and it may be that in the end, their upgrade will be Rocco Baldelli, the veteran outfielder who has been on a rehabilitation assignment in the minors.”
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions
He needs a nickname
but with a name like buster….it’s got to be good.
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Griffey Oks deal per FoxSports and Cincinnati news
http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080731/SPT04/307310040&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply actions
THE OTHER ONE DIDINT HAVE PROOF OF A SITE THO
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 31, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Vindication is mine!
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
What can I say?
I am a procrastinator, and I will be until the day I die. In fact, I am going to live to be 168 because I forget to die. Seriously folks.
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone else think the Red Sox are trying to block the deal for Bay?
Anyone? Anyone?
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 11:46 AM EDT reply actions
not really
seems like the only way they can get ‘em is by trading Manny…
That sort of supersedes blocking a deal with the Rays.
Without knowing how this is going to turn out
Neal Huntington is doing a hell of a job. He’s got Friedman/Epstein working against each over for one piece. That’s pretty damn impressive for a first year GM.
BUT HE TRADED XAVIER NADY FOR A BAG OF BALLS.
Okay, for those who don’t know, I thought the Nady/Marte trade was pretty solid for Pittsburgh, actually.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
You screwed up on the Angels deal
HOW COULD YOU NOT CONSIDER THAT TEIXEIRA IS THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE WORLD WHO CAN “DRIVE RUNS IN”?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
That was hilarious.
I couldn’t even bring myself to respond to those comments.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't worth replying to
I’ll email you something in a few minutes once I find it. You’ll understand what I mean.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
There it is.
E-mail is soooo slowwwww.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You guys this is pretty nice not having to worry about "Where Carl Crawford is going" for once.
I really like this change of pace, it’s kind of fun.
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
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