Trade Deadline Open Thread Part Two
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:00 PM EDT
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We're gonna get street right?
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
A's Unlikely To Make More Trades
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 11:00am CST]
According to ESPN’s Buster Olney, the A’s are not likely to make a trade today. Olney’s source puts it at 1%. So, looks like Justin Duchscherer and Huston Street can rest easy.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
it's trade deadline day,
fuck the no cursing outside game threads…
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What am I gonna do, box people for cursing?
I have better things to do with my time than box people for that.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
it really looks like this manny deal has failed now, rays definetly have to make another try for bay
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
MANNY'S NOT GONNA BE DEALT!
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
TAMPA BAY RAYS: 2008 CITRUS SERIES CHAMPIONS
that deal just seems like it is falling apart and i would rather the rays trade for jason bay instead of adam dunn
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
the red sox would eat his deal if there is that trade
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
Probably
with a side of (insert insensitive racial/ethnic comment here)
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that what your unworldly premonitions tell you?
B Rad the Ray Fan
www.we-use-more-than-one-stat-here.com
A's source said there's only a 1 percent chance of any deal going down..per Olney
Which of course means they will trade Croby, Thomas, Street, and Murton in a 4 team deal involving the Rockies, Royals and an American League East team.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions
wow do you have a link for that? i believe you i would just like to read it for myself
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
Anymore?
Where were you in the 90’s?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Eventually, when we play the white sox
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
He's allowed 3 ER or less in like 9 of his last 10 starts.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
that's right,
it gets ugly quick. but then it gets better too…
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
screw that he sucks against lefties this year
the twins got him to be successful against lefties and instead he has been successful against righties who he barely faces
ok time for a post vote adam dunn or jason bay? who would you want more
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
but who would you rather have more? me i want bay in tampa bay
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
JBay
His middle name is Raymond. It’s fate.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It's cool.
I actually got work done for a change.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
if his middle name was lamar i think they wouldve traded for him by now
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
His sister's name is Lauren
That’s like Spanish for Lamar right?
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
if we trade for adam dunn he will walk after this season and bay would stay next year and probably longer
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
Yeah, that's why I want Bay
How much would it take to re-sign Dunn?
probably 20 mil + a year since i believe that he makes about 18 mil this year
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
Hella bad for the Sox if the Rays get Bay
It would be fun to watch the nuclear meltdown/damage control in the Sox clubhouse if they’re stuck with Manny. And Theo would permanently be regarded as Andrew’s bitch.
Theo is nobody's bitch, whether he gets Bay or not.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but RSN wouldn't like being outmaneuvered at the deadline
by gatorman2k2 on Jul 31, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The best part
Would be the turn of face the fans are forced to do….i.e. ‘I guess we’re supposed to like Manny again’
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be hilarious.
Manny is really awesome.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, plus the players have grown weary of the whole situation
See the looks on Lowell’s face when he’s asked about Manny? And that reporter’s exchange with Ortiz after Manny had bailed the clubhouse and left his teammates answering questions about him?
by gatorman2k2 on Jul 31, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
2 questions
if we trade for Bay, shouldnt we move CC to CF and Upton to RF? That would make the most sense to this team. This isnt the old Rays anymore, and CC needs to stop being so stubborn. He grew up in an organization with no authority so he choose to make himself a #2 hitter and LF. If he was in any otehr organization they wouldve been putting his ass in CF and batting leadoff and hammering it into his head what he needs to do to succeed there. It makes our lineup and defense “fit” much better.
2) If we trade for Dunn should we give Floyd the axe? And then proceed to call Baldelli up for Gomes? I think that will make us MUCH better. a RF/DH triangle of Dunn/Baldelli/Hinske along with OFer Gross on the bench
answers
#2 – Floyd and Gomes gots to go
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
CC can't move to CF
for some reason unknown he has said he won’t play there and will whine very very loudly.
Oh well, we still have a damn good CFer as it is.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i already suggested that
and no, CC never said he won’t play there, he said he prefers right field. if asked to play CF, i am SURE he would comply.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont care anymore
Just like when Delmon Young felt a culture shock when he went to Minnesota and saw their history and saw their former stars around the clubhouse and put his ego aside, thats exactly what would happen if CC went to a team like that and they told him to go to CF and bat leadoff and occassionaly put a good bunt down. His ass would do it. He just thinks hes the king here, and that is because he is the best player to ever play for this franchise
Delmon Young changed at all? What?
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
He moved to left field, give him that.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also somehow worse...
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Yeah right.
He is just happy to be somewhere where people will bend over for what HE wants.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
we would move CC to CF
so that we dont have to move Bay to RF. Upton would be a upgrade in RF for us, and the idea is that a player as fast as CC who has 7 years of ML experience in the OF could eventually adjust and make the transition.
From Baseball Prospectus
As of 10:30 ET this morning, the teams involved in the Manny
Ramirez deal have taken a bit of a break. The holdup continues to be
sorting out the prospects, specifically which ones the Marlins will
get and will give up. The framework, agreed to early last night, has
expanded a bit, including John Grabow and, in some iterations, Jack
Wilson. The Marlins have switched up on what prospects are available
and which aren’t. It looks like slugger Mike Stanton is definitely out
and that Ryan Tucker is out unless the Marlins get a "plus prospect"
such as Justin Masterson in addition to Ramirez. This one could go
down to the wire.
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply actions
If the Red Sox have to give up a Masterson and Ramirez for a Bay and Grabow
Is that really bad for us? Does this help or hurt their team?
Thats what I am thinking
even if you say Manny and Bay are even. They would still be losing prospects for no upgrade
no but it looks like griffrey might go back to CF and swisher and konerko will split time at 1B
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
oops - failed reply
about the prospect package change by the Fish
by gatorman2k2 on Jul 31, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Both
1PM Pacific time….Hooray Semantics Monkeys!!!!!
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
probably not as good as we'd all like to see
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Count me in the minority
I like percy in the closers role, mostly because I think the closers roles shouldn’t always be filled by the best pitcher, and that the best pitcher should be used in the highest leverage situations.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
probably 0% since percy signed here to be a closer
no matter what the rays do today they have to let gomes and floyd go everyone agree?
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
eventually,
i think when depends on what the do here today.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What are the odds of CC?
actually realizing he could play a huge role for us by batting leadoff ?
you really think with his low P/AB he could be a good leadoff?
i really don’t.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
no
that would have to improve, players have to be coachable, this is a team sport
Unfortunately Carl has admitted he doesn't listen to what his hitting coaches have told him.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
that's where I come back to the belief
that if he was on a team with history he would listen. It’s no fault of ours, but 18 year old superstars like Upton, CC and Young had huge egos and came to the MLB version of the Bad News Bears. If CC went to the Cubs and played their under Lou at this point in CCs career, Lou would break his ass in to the leadoff hole and CF position real quick. And CC would TRY to learn in Chicago. I believe that
Upton needs to be removed from this.
He gets paired with Dukes, Crawford, and Young way too much.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Upton, and CC have tamed their egos
to different degrees. I have no beef with Upton. I hate when my friends say he doesnt try or he takes bad angles or some other BS
Upton is at least a good trooper in the press.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
he seems like a good dude
I have always seen him as a quiet reserved guy in the public. I never took THAT as being cocky or arrogant but some people might have. He definitely thought he was entitled to a lot more, a few years ago
WE DONT WANT HIM LEADOFF
No low OBP’s at leadoff for the love of god
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
yeah, i have to wonder what is up with that.
his speed looks fine when running triples, but he hasn’t even attempted a steal in forever.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Give me Dunn
Aki
Upton
Longoria
Dunn
Pena
Longoria would see a ton of fastballs with Upton on base threatening to steal and guys not wanting to pitch around Longo to get to Dunn. Against lefties, maybe flip the 3 and 4 spot.
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd put Dunn before Longoria
To take better advantage of his walks…either lineup works though
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
we have a great lead-off hitter
BJ Upton, not sure why he doesn’t hit there. High OBP, takes a lot f pitches, great speed
Per Jon Heyman
Ebattled superstar Manny Ramirez has approved a trade to the Marlins, SI.com has learned. While the Red Sox, Marlins and Pirates are still negotiating details of the mega-trade and nothing has been finalized by the teams, one major hurdle has been cleared by Ramirez accepting the deal ahead of time, according to people familiar with the negotiations. The Red Sox approached Ramirez in advance of their negotiations, and got his OK. Ramirez signed off on the paperwork, contingent upon the two $20-million team options for 2009 and ‘10 being dropped. The move will set the stage for Ramirez to become a free agent this winter, assuming a trade can be completed by the three teams.
TAMPA BAY RAYS: 2008 CITRUS SERIES CHAMPIONS
What happened to "I don't see it happening." ?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome to the wonderful world of trade deadline rumors
Buyer’s edition
TAMPA BAY RAYS: 2008 CITRUS SERIES CHAMPIONS
"The move will set the stage for Ramirez to become a free agent this winter, assuming a trade can be completed by the three teams."
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
what is so wrong with brignac?
Why don’t we want the 24 doubles 2 triples 7 homeruns?
In AAA. WIth a miniscule OBP. With barty as a better SS.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
I am a huge Brignac fan
but to get something you have to give something. We appear to hesistant/scared to make a move.
Thats his only downside.
He’ll be driving 45 in a 55 in the left hand land with his right blinker on.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE
Canadians are terrible tippers. Especially to the musician in the restaurant.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Offense seems to be our major concern
Barty is good, but doesn’t brignac bring us that “stephen drew” esk power to the lineup. possible XBH from all parts of the order?
we keep winning without the offense
because of players like Bartlett. Imagine how much he has helped our pitchers ERAs
We've looked bad in the media since dealing Delmon Young.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
aren't we constantly praised for that deal?
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually think our players are expecting us to make a big move.
They are looking around waiting for the next guy to make a big hit. They will be disappointed if we dont at least appear to keep up with the Jones’s
Who cares about the media?? The point is winnning
We need to be winning, not pinch hitting gomes’s .195 avg in clutch situations
i wish there was a luck stat
he’s been -23% lucky this year!
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
There are luck indicators, silly rabbit.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i know, but i want a luck stat
strictly luck.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!
How can you say Gomes has been unlucky this season, he’s been on the roster ALL YEAR grrrrrrrrrrrr
This:
PrOPS, a statistic created by J.C. Bradbury, is used to predict future OPS using batted ball data. It’s helpful in determining which hitters have been unlucky and which have been lucky, basically it’s not the next step from LD% to BABIP, but the step after the next step. PrOPS confirms what we just established: each of our DHs are due for some improved results. Aybar’s PrOPS is .789, Gomes’ is .822, and Floyd’s is .853. Yet when these progressions happen become the most important factor, it’s possible, but heavily unlikely, that none of them progress until next season.
You’re not going to agree, so I don’t know why I’m even commenting, but the first time you throw out some stupid SABR head shit you’re being boxed. No flame wars today.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Not saying Gomes should stay but his OBP is about the same as C.C.
and he does provide some protection…not in the lineup, but if there’s a brawl..plus he’s a swell guy..lol
by arkansasraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we still expecting the unexpected?
Or is that something that the RFO can only realistically do when they’re sellers.
I am still holding out hope that we can make a move
but it is starting to look like the FO isn’t too concerned about winning this year in hopes of protecting the future.
?
You rooting for a team or a business model?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Im rooting for a 1st place team
that plans on being their for awhile
*there
1000 apologies to the grammer police
I know I can't wait to have the prospect dynasty
Rays have top farm system for 10 straight years…...0 championships
That's not true...
They’ve been winning quite a bit this year.
last I heard the Sox are prepared to trade Manny
thats not getting better, however, gaining David Pprice and Rocco Baldelli is
the idea is to win as many games as possible for as long as long as possible...
might not be a good idea to trade from the big three.
9 = 8
Are you saying a rotation of
Kazmir/Price/Shields/Garza/Davis won’t get us farther?
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
There is never a guarantee for anything.
But you have to play the odds. We have a greater chance of success with prospects in the wings than jeopardizing everything for one shot.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
jeopardizing everything
Kazmir
Price
Shields
Garza
Davis
Hellickson
Jackson
Sonnanstine
Niemann
Talbot
really trading 1-2 of those guys would not jeopardize everything
maybe not, but it's not a reason to make a bad deal
Just because you have wealth doesn’t mean you should just throw it around carelessly. Thats how you become poor quick
Marginal benefit better damn well equal or exceed marginal cost
Otherwise it doesn’t make sense to make the move.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitt is being stubborn, get it right
If we are trading Niemann + Brignac and you think we should be giving up another top pitching prospect I want osmme of what you’re smoking
It makes the odds of having longterm success more remote.
We may not have the top tier prospects from now on because we won’t have the early picks anymore.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
11:29am: Will Carroll has an update. The Pirates could back out Bay talks entirely if they don’t get what they want. The Red Sox will continue shopping Manny regardless, with the Dodgers and a mystery team in the mix. The Dodgers might be willing to part with Matt Kemp.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Just got SI
David Price story’s in there titles “Young, Gifted and Black”
Pretty nice article on the Tampa area
and mentioned the money RFO has put into local Little League fields which I haven’t seen commended anywhere
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Story of my life...
except for the Young and Black parts.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And the gifted part too....
cause being short bus doesn’t mean “Gifted”... ;)
Wow, I did not know he was going to quit baseball his freshman year of college
to work at McDonalds.
Why is this thread not called BayWatch or Get 'er Dunn?
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
Oh hooray! What fun names!
RJ, why did you fail us!!1?!
B Rad the Ray Fan
www.we-use-more-than-one-stat-here.com
Olney just said on ESPN live...
Rays are out of Bay negotiations and hope Dunn falls in their lap…but it is unlikely
They just broke into Sportscenter...
And it was Phillips and Olney.
Rays have been in on Jason Bay...
Pretty much out of that…Maybe Adam DUnn would fall in their laps, but it doesnt look like that is going to happen…
Verbatim
also Jayson Stark
It now looks as if the Rays won’t make a deal of any kind between now and the deadline. According to sources who have spoken with them, they’ve backed off on Adam Dunn because he makes their lineup too left-handed, and they’ve been informed by Pittsburgh that Jason Bay is likely to go somewhere else.The Rays and Colorado had already agreed Wednesday that they didn’t have what it takes to get Brian Fuentes, if the Rockies decide to trade him at all Thursday. And that looks less likely all the time.
TAMPA BAY RAYS: 2008 CITRUS SERIES CHAMPIONS
That's what I'm thinking
To the FO, Baldelli for nothing is better than Dunn/Bay for Davis/Hellickson/Niemann/Brignac
TAMPA BAY RAYS: 2008 CITRUS SERIES CHAMPIONS
I don't understand the line-up too left handed reasoning.
Adam Dunn > Gomes, Floyd, Hinske, Gross, Aybar
I don’t care if he is a lefty or not, he is still better.
For some reason Floyd won't go away...
But Dunn over Floyd/Hinske/Gross may not be as great as what the Reds are asking for
he has been good...but he made a crack against my bulls and im still touchy about it
I’m sure it will eventually pass
Blake
USF--Class of '09
I thought it was funny that they didnt even have a real usf helmet
it was just a gold helmet with a usf sticker on it(backwards at that)
Blake
USF--Class of '09
The whole lineup being too lefty...
When it comes to the likely playoff teams, only Chicago has more than one lefty
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
well maybe those teams are too right handed.
correct me if I am wrong but aren’t there more RHP in the league than LHP. So in a sense wouldn’t it be better to have a left handed heavy line-up.
So does Joel Guzman get a shot?
If no deal gets done we still have Gomes, Floyd, and Aybar all of whom suck.
We're going to make a trade...
I’ve got a huge feeling, we’re going to make something happen
The latest team to make a run is Toronto. It seems doubtful that the Blue Jays would give up the three-prospect package Pittsburgh is looking for, almost certainly starting with outfield phenom Travis Snider. But Toronto and Pittsburgh were still talking as of Thursday afternoon.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Travis Snider in the NL would be awful
He is a born DH
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bay makes sense for Toronto
If anybody needs a bat more than the Rays, it’s the Jays, though their season is more or less on life support (it’s not the record, but number of teams they’d have to get past to make the playoffs).
Bay is Canadian
those Canucks love that crap up there. They gave Richmond a standing O after walking off with a loss
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
per ESP......
A source close to the three-way negotiations involving Manny Ramirez says the deal is close to dead. Florida has reportedly asked Boston for a cash outlay beyond the $7M to cover Ramirez’s contract, in addition to two prospects. That essentially would add up to the Red Sox trading Ramirez, $9M and two prospects for Jason Bay.
If we don't make a trade...
I would still be satisfied with getting Manny out of the division.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
More from Jon Heyman
The Mariners’ agreement to send reliever Arthur Rhodes to the Marlins may be giving the Yankees hope that perhaps Seattle will also relent and agree to trade Jarrod Washburn to the Yankees. Word is, Hernandez was on the table for weeks. Perhaps the Mariners will also relent on Washburn. The Yankees have generously offered to pick up the rest of the $14 million remaining on Washburn’s contract through 2009 while sending them a middling prospect. Seattle has been calling around to try to beat that, but the suspicion is they won’t. So maybe the Yankees will get Washburn after all.
Smart Mariner FO moves, WTF?
TAMPA BAY RAYS: 2008 CITRUS SERIES CHAMPIONS
Kemp for Brignac? and player to be named?
Any interest there?
THere is no interest there from the dodgers
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Not happening
Dodgers are in ‘contention’ and Kemp >>>>>>>>>Brignac
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude
The Rockies think they’re contenders. Welcome to the NL West
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Per MLBTR
According to ESPN’s Jayson Stark, the Blue Jays have entered the mix for Jason Bay. Of course, the asking price will be high. But Bay is Canadian!
The Jays are 6.5 games out of the wild card, that dangerous area where a team thinks it’s a contender. Bay is under contract for ‘09 too though.
They just don't get it
6.5 back and 4th in a 4 team race is like being 8-10 games back in a 2 team race. Too many of the teams play each other for all of them to fall too hard and fast.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF?
Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that talks regarding a Manny Ramirez trade are “taking off.”
ESPN’s Peter Gammons says the three-way negotiations between the Red Sox, Marlins and Pirates are close to dead.
9 = 8
just like us
they all like to talk….not like some GM is really calling up to give them information.
only difference is they get paid for it.
Buster Olney must be feeding one of them information....
“A-Rod will NEVER resign with the Yankees”.
Gammons is a Sox puppet nothing he says is worth a damn anymore
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
PER ESPN latest update
Manny deal ‘close to dead’
Thursday, July 31, 2008 | Print Entry
Posted by Peter Gammons
That's it
I need to get credentialed. Looks like a lot of these guys are just making shit up
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions
Bay
If Bay replaces Manny – that’s good for the Rays, especially if Boston gives up anything else to do it.
If not….Wait until 3:55, and when the Sox don’t really trade Manny, get Bay for Niemmenn, Brignac, and Talbot. Not only do we have Bay this year, but next year as well. Big price to pay, but we don’t lose any really top prospect, and we need to go for it THIS year. Yankees pitching is still weak, and we’re going to be leading the division on Aug 1…no guarantee that will happen anytime in the future.
Why is Brignac “untouchable”?
b/c he's our shortstop of the future,
while there is no guarantee that our 1st round pick from this year will succeed.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no guarantee
Brignac will succeed
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm cool with this
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone else think that in the end Bay ends up in Pittsburgh
they appear to be asking for way to much in return for him.
Not their fault if the team won't give them info.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
true
but they must really not have any connections if all these national writers are beating them to the stories.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to remember
These national writes are going to run with any story. So if Friedman wants to irk the Pirates he’ll leak that a deal with Dunn is close for two prospects, or something like that. GMs use the press as a trading vehicle more so than not.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The big name clubs are also going to have more rumors floating around because
there are probably a lot more connections there. Ican see it now:
Media: we’re running out of rumors, quick, the Rays are contenders, talk to your sources and see what you can get.
Olney: uh….
Gammons: uh…..
Rosentthal: uh…..
Media: uh…? One of the biggest stories this year and no one has a source?
After all, he's proven in the past his inability to make any good trades at the deadline.
by Peter Bendix on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you're saying.
This is a new position for everyone. I think getting schooled would involve losing in trades. We can’t lose because we haven’t made any yet.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to ambush Sternfan1 with a tire iron
by GenghisJohn on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Espn News- reporting
we’re still in contention for Dunn/Bay
We already have enough drunk people on this board.
Why don’t we invite the crew from Lookout Landing. They never put the whiskey down.
www.citadel-insurance.com
me too. I'm going to leave for lunch and get infatated
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like the holdup on the 3 way
is the Marlins and sox.
Apparently Pirates are happy with their end.
I wouldnt bank on it
These teams have a history of being very buddy buddy with one another (BOS/FLA)
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll get in on this...but it will have to be water.
starting now.
Sea- You guys want Ichiro for Hellickson
AF- No, Hell Bot is off-limits and we have the max # of LH bats in our line-up
No way they trade Ichiro
He’s one of the few players in baseball that pays for himself with the revenue streams he produces
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Knowing the M's
They’ll want Price, Davis, AND Hellickson for Ichiro
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by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
what was he thinking that night?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
he spends like $20M a year eventually he's gonna have to get a real job
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
royalties are rolling in i imagine
as well as Steel and that awesome Fu Schnickens album that everyone had
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine the font was as small as possible below.
i liked kazaam
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If you vote on IMDB 10,000 times I don't think you could get the score above 4
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably. I put a lot of faith into IMDB.
Quadrophenia is a deserving 7.0
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How bout Dark Knight as the greatest film ever made
after a week
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't trust new movies
because the only people that have seen them put in a lot of effort to do so
something about wanting to feel justified for the dough & the time
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Instant classic
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You've got skills
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Swordson absolutely pwn3t that movie
as well as anything else he touches
The good people at Tacos, Tacos, Tacos don’t appreciate you giving HJ’s in the parking lot
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
thinking about maybe getting a radio
to talk to other car beds
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Quadrophenia
Album>Movie>(Tommy Album)>(Tommy Movie)<(Muppet Treasure Island)
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Whoa whoa whoa
Both the albums are better than their movies. But comparing Tommy to Quad is like comparing Apples and Volkswagens.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, fair enough...
But I think we should both admit that regardless of Quadrophenia and Tommy, Muppet Treasure Island is still a masterpiece.
B Rad the Ray Fan
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I dont get it
1- aki
2- CC
3- upton
4- dunn
5- longo
6- pena
7- navarro
8- hinske
9- bartlett
L
L
R
L
R
L
S
L
R
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
Upton != power so no number 3
or so it has been said
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently it is okay to have back to back RH but not LH
considering there are more RHP than LHP, it makes no since to me ..
HR leader could help an offense i would say
And it seems Bay isn’t going to the SOX
GET IT DONE FRIEDMAN
Ideal lineup
1 – Bonds
2 – Bonds
3 – Bonds
4 – Bonds
5 – Bonds
6 – Bonds
7 – Bonds
8 – Bonds
9 – Bonds
Would have score 10 runs a game last year
and allowed 15
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He's know Josh Wilson, Jose Canseco, or Wade Boggs, but yeah
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Bahhh ... at this point
Screw the trades go with what you have. Let Pittsburgh eat or waive Bay and let Boston eat or waive Manny.
Manny will not be going to an NL team. It would be interesting to see if he went to the Dodgers Manny being Manny will not go over well because it would force Joe Torre to be Joe Torre.
Manny has been vilified by the Red Sox FO. Now it is biting them in the ass non of this Manny talk would be happening if Ortiz doesn’t come back. The Red Sox have realized that they are over paying for Two DH’s when Ortiz was out and they had 3 decent feilders up in Fenway Boston was a better team. They had to villify Manny in order to get him outta there without an uproar from the fans. This is funny to watch them squirm.
I don’t think Baldelli is the answer. I have watched him play in person and he cant keep up with the Single A players. Either way I vote don’t pull the trigger on anything right now.
It is amazing how easily
bandwagon fans can be misled by management
We love Manny
we Hate Manny
We Love Clemens
We hate Clemens
We love Pedro
We hate Pedro
We love Nomar
We hate Nomar
rinse and repeat
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston mgmt has a shit track record with their players
They drop them like a rock once they perceive them to be non-productive
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That being said ...
Offer Ruggiano to Boston for Manny and they pay his salary.
If they are desperate they might take it. Manny being a RH DH here in Tampa would be good. It would give Manny the incentive to shove it up the ass of Boston too. The odds of this deal actually going down are about the same as Blizzard warnings in Tampa at the MLB trade deadline today.
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 31, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why they're losing games !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume you are being sarcastic
But at some point the mental aspects can take over…even for seasoned pros
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It definately seems to me that when it comes to the Rays
the price goes up. They want more in terms of prospects from our team than dealing with other teams.
FWIW those hoping to get Bonds
If the reason we aren’t going after Dunn is we don’t want to add a lefty, doesn’t look to good to add Bonds
Bonds will never be a Ray.
Doesn’t mean we can’t think about it.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah thats a sharp hat Ladies Love Cool Hats
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I got one like it in a St. Pete Wal-Mart before the season started...
That probably doesn’t help much, tho.
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I saw that exact hat at Kohl's the other day
and yes, it is sharp.
The artist formerly known as TonyT
up to the minute coverage you can count on
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Thinking they need a good Pen Arm
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Same thing they thought when they signed Dontrelle Willis
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True
Hell, Fossum got the win last night. We all know how much he sucks
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Fossum Flip = unhittable
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
pudge wasn't happy
with Inge splitting time with him
breaking news
Packers offer 20 Mil for Favre to stay retired.
at what point is something no longer breaking news, 1000 times 5000 times
anywhere to watch streamed ESPN
You would think on their site. Statistics much more reliable than Nielsen ratings. Everyone knows they don’t account for households with more than 2 TV”s
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
we can get a deal done
that doesn;t make it a good idea
by stpetelawyer on Jul 31, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
he was also realistic about baldelli
it seems like a lot of people think he is going to come in and put up good numbers. While yes he is capable of it, there is a decent chance he struggles. Not everyone is Josh Hamilton and can go without baseball for a couple years and hit the ball like it is no big deal.
It doesnt seem like there's much going on.
How are they gonna fill 2.5 more hours?
MannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyManny
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Meet the new boss
Just the same as the old boss.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you see the real me?
You REALLY don’t want to do this.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I do, but I don't feal right subjecting everyone else to it.
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www.we-use-more-than-one-stat-here.com
It's hard.
But I like every minute of the day.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is there no Rob Neyer or Keith Law on this set?
Steve Phillips is about the last person I’d care to hear talking about anything, not along trades.
This one time he made Kazmir the 15th pick...
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
He made the right call by drafting Kaz
To bad he wasn’t around to keep him
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Today's Neyer Blog
Is about the newfound strength of the Royals pen??!
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
their comments have a basis
phillips and the other guys don’t need to talk to sources for the scoop. It just comes from the creative side of their brain.
by FanDisplaced on Jul 31, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the problem.
Steve Phillips baseball brain isn’t good.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
UNLESS
we are talking pedophilia or sexual assault
Apu De Beamarche
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
According to ESPN
Yet another official with one of these three teams says the Manny-Bay deal is dead. In the aftermath, the teams involved seem unsure of what happened. The Pirates are blaming the Marlins. The Marlins are blaming the Pirates. And the Red Sox aren’t too happy with either of them.
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
unless I see other wise
I don’t see why someone would report something like that unless it was true. Things can always change but as of now I would think so.
Are you serious...
Have you seen all the bs that has been put out there…Brignac is avialable for the right price.
Bay was going to Boston
then didnt then did then didnt then did then didnt
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
you made a poor choice
go to the strip club, enjoy yourself
BRETT FAVRE CHARTERED A PLANE
TO GREEN BAY!!!! shocking.
wow for whatever reason I am mesmerized by this
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
im sick of these lets just trade for (insert lefty killer who doesnt play everyday) suggestions
if we get someone, it should be a difinitive upgrade over Gomes. Id just assume take my chances with Baldelli/Gomes rather than trading for Hairston, Murton, etc
Yeah, why trade for a guy with a career OPS against lefties of .860
.024 points higher than Baldelli.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yet he is a situational player who has never been an everyday starter
Thats not an upgrade, quit giving me situational stats. We need an everyday RF or DH, or nothing. Simple as that
it has nothing to do with that
i have no problem with platoons. but in cas eyou havent noticed we already have one. So if we make a trade and still have one, thats called a lateral move my friend. We are looking for an upgrade
If you're upgrading one part the platoon that IS an upgrade.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
not what were looking for
plus what would we do with Baldelli? Id rather give Baldelli a chance than add the mighty Scott Hairston and leave Baldelli without a job
plus you arent giving me Baldelli's projected offensive abilities
thats based on Baldelli as a very young ML hitter.
How the hell can you project Baldelli?
We have no idea what he looks like, he’s hitting less than 10% line drives in AA. That doesn’t seem to translate too well in my mind.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
blah blah blah
you can save his LD% in a minor league rehab and do what youd liek with it. I have no use for it. The only thing thats of importance is whether Baldelli’s legs can stay healthy. His production matters very little right now. Baldelli’s bat is not in question, outside of those who hold the 1 month long slump in May last year against him. Other than that he came back in 2006 after 1 and 1/2 years off and led our team in the 2nd half in runs, extra base hits, RBIs and pretty much every major offensive stat
His bat, if healthy (and we are working under the assumotion for the sake of this argument that he will be healthy) will be atleast as good as it was as a 22 year old and only get better
Blah blah blah
This speaks a ton for most of your comments. Thank you for giving me a reason to actually ignore someone’s comments.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
LD% in a minor league rehab stint
for a proven ML hitter
you think that is important? You think it is indicative of anything? What a tool. Ask the scouts on this team if they have any questions about Baldelli’s bat or his LD % on a minor league stint LMAO
come on with it Short Circuit
run that through your computer and tell me how LD% on a minor league rehab stint is important
You are pretty much useless without numbers
o look, the numebr junkies are teaming up
NUMBERS OVERLOAD- WHAT- DO- I- DO
And you're bursting with great opinions like "blah blah blah"
I told you not to start this shit. See you in a few hours.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Fuckstick....
When was the last time ROcco played? WHy dont you pull up his hs stats for illustration of how good he is, then blow him. We are basing info on what he is doing in the minors since he hasnt done shit in years. Plus he has a weird condition…so yes, it is fair to use numbers on a rehab stint.
Welcome to the party Heater!
Bad news though.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions
There has been much speculation circling around Tampa Bay’s interest in Pirates OF Jason Bay, and more recently, Reds OF Adam Dunn, but Espn.com is reporting that the Rays have backed off Dunn because he’d make their lineup too left-handed; the report also said Tampa Bay was told by the Pirates that Bay would likely land elsewhere.
So Topkin’s team source is ESPN.com
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
ITS NOT LIKE WE'RE NOTORIOUSLY TIGHT LIPPED OR ANYTHING
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
I heard there's a new name on the market that no one has mentioned
He’s cheap, but we’ll have to pick up a fairly sizeable contract.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 31, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I mentioned Ibanez back at the start of the early morning thread
I could definitely see him as a fall back option
you must wash your hair at least once every two weeks
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Nada Surf
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Jason Bay....
according to jason stark.. Tampa Bay Shot down, and out
Farve charters a plane??
Damn, I had “Charters the Maddon Cruiser” in the office pool. $50 down the drain…
Pirates still think the trade for Manny is gonna happen
Adorable…
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Laugh it up if you like
But if pittsburg can be made happy, Boston and Florida will follow suit. They are very very chummy with one another
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Pittsburgh is apparently happy already - prospects from Boston have been agreed to per Rotoworld
It’s down to the Marlins agreeing to $$ terms with Boston now.
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
That's a bad sign
These teams have a history of scratching each other’s backs, and ending up happy for doing so
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
1.053 OPS
vs. left handers this season
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 31, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Spilly but that is a pretty small sample even for splits
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
he is blocked and has 204 AB against lefties
I bet it wouldn’t take much, maybe a Talbot, Rox want a starter…
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 31, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Price to Pujols per Bill Plaschke
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Plaschke said Sonnanstine has more value than Price.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Plashke thinks Sonny should have replaced Kaz at the ASG
Seriously
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Isn't Plaschke the guy that raped his secretary?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
no link but I'm pretty sure he is
and Harold Reynolds gets fired for being a hugophile I call bullshit
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Mets, Rays, A’s Unlikely To Make Trades
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 12:39pm CST]
12:38pm: The Rays and Mets also seem quiet today.
11:00am: According to ESPN’s Buster Olney, the A’s are not likely to make a trade today. Olney’s source puts it at 1%. So, looks like Justin Duchscherer and Huston Street can rest easy.
ITS NOT LIKE WE'RE NOTORIOUSLY TIGHT LIPPED OR ANYTHING
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Ryan Ludwick for Wheeler
we want an OF RH bat and St. Louis wants a late inning reliever.
Call up Salas
Cruz not on the 40 man roster
He’s much cheaper to acquire and plays great defense.
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It's called "Let's make unnecessary trades before I get fired"
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This is absolutely nuts. J.P. wants to do damage on the way out!
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
Trick question!
They’re Canadian and don’t realize they’re out of contention.
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Canadian dollar worth more than US dollar right now
so 6.5 games out, errr, ut of the the wildcard in the US papers is only 2.5 in the Toronto Star
Thanks alot President Bush for screwing us out of a trade!
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHA, Blue Jays try for Ibanez now???
Jason Bay isn’t the only bat the Blue Jays have made a run at today. They’re also in on Seattle’s Raul Ibanez. Ibanez was linked to the Mets and Cubs earlier in the week, but Seattle didn’t like the offers from either team.
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The more I think about it, the more I like the Jays as buyers
They play the evil empires a combined 21 times down the stretch, while we only play them 6 more times. Screw the HATERS JP!!!! GO ALL IN!!!
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Only on Deadline day...
do we see such shitty headlines as “Yanks, Red Sox eyeing Eyre”.
Brilliant, Jayson Stark. Pulitzer prize winning shit right there.
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
Cause they aren't necessarily out of it and they can probably keep Bay
by arkansasraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
The Pirates' leverage here is that they don't have to trade Bay. Not only do they have him for another year at a great price, they can probably resign him since he loves Pittsburgh as a city
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
so he's the one
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Rotoworld, Rosenthal is now confirming that the big Manny/Bay/Pirates deal is dead.
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
Whoa, Nats may be sending John Lannan to the White Sox?
It better be a GREAT deal. Lannan’s a rookie SP who’s had a great season. He’s our best young pitcher. Fuck you, Trader Jim, you better get a mint.
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
You need room for Strasburg
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Strasburg is the only hope those guys have left
Let them have it
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They have faith that their team will do what it takes to win this race
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, I joke about my divided Strasburg loyalties regularly on LL.
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
Thing is, he's not. He's made exclusively GREAT deals over the last few years. The Rauch one this season is the only questionable one. But unless they get a good haul for Lannan I'll be pissed.
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
what about these deals:
Chad Cordero for ??
Alfonso Soriano for ??
What good deal has he made? Signing Christian Guzman, Dmitri Young, or Ronnie Belliard?
He’s gone either way. That’s what happens when the feds investigate you for stealing from your own players.
he doesn't win enough games
Jim Bowden is an idiot
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Word on Chicago radio is that the Cubs have the Rangers’ Milton Bradley on the radar. However, it does not appear that the Rangers are motivated to trade him.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Why isn't Uncle Milty on the Rays' radar?
He would be such a great addition.
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
His nickname os Uncle Milty
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
I wonder if a team couldn't find a way around that. PTBNL, maybe?
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
Because apparently Salas is better..?
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
because Ludwick/Salas > Gomes/Wheeler
it appears Percy is our closer and Balfour is more than capable of handling the 8th inning.
I really liked seeing Howell/Balfour/Wheeler/Percy
in the 6/7/8/9 inning yesterday. I don’t think we should break that up.
Because Wheeler is a flyball reliever
and those guys are disastrous in close and tight situations?
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The Score 670 Chicago reports that the White Sox are close to acquiring John Lannan from the Nationals.
It’s unknown just who the Chicago would be sending over in the deal, but this is Jim Bowden we’re dealing with, so anything is possible. Lannan is arbitration eligible through 2013, and he can keep the ball on the ground, which would make him a nice fit in Chicago.
9 = 8
maybe bowden wants ANOTHER OF
wtf would the nats give away pitching when they NONE
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 31, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Forget Yanks/Sox
CWS and ANA our doing everything they can to sit on the pole
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Great..
another freaking lefty for the White Sox.
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you saying it would be a good deal or a bad deal? Because Lannan is a very promising young rookie.
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
I posted this above, see my comments (I'm a Nats fan and I'd be pissed unless we got something really special)
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
Look for the little purple tentacle to find my posts - it's a mark of guaranteed quality.
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
How much is this thread at?
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
we've gotta have more comments than anyone else at SBN today
Bucs dugout has like 100
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I love BP Chats....
Kevin Goldstein (11:02:02 AM PT): Hey everyone, we’re here and we begin with the disappointing news that it seems like the Manny deal has crapped the bed. That takes a little bit of the luster off things, but it gives us hopefully three hours of Jason Bay intrigue!
by knoxvillerayfan on Jul 31, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
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